I think he's been doing this to Dann as well I'm just not sure if it's alignment indicativeIn post 869, Klick wrote: If the worst is scum then there's this weird attempt to repeatedly pocket me with similar takes and get on my level. It would have to be very intentional. Whether the worst is vapable of this kind of play as scum or not should be the sort of thing I can find from looking through a few scum games.
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i think not assuming PC is town is silly lol.
I feel sympathetic toward this but on the flip side, I don't think it's like duck or black or dannflor are exactly not genuinely difficult to read.In post 867, Klick wrote: I feel meh about NM and implosion as well but I think that's less about lack of confidence in how they play, and more about them being genuinely difficult to read
Hot take of the minute (now that i am actually iso'ing ceejay for the first time since he was limmed): 519 contains the name of the last scum bc ceejay was asked about reads on that page, he mentioned me and bingle as scumreads, and then he felt bad that he hadn't really elaborated on his scumbuddy yet-
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I think that is actually genuinely how I feel at this exact moment though.
I don't think N_M can't be scum by any means but he did, by all relative measures, come in absolutely guns blazing toward ceejay. He didn't vote ceejay early but it feels to me at least somewhat like not what he'd do as scum here.
I think I do probably buy that Black is unlikely to make the hammer as scum in that situation. At least, it is in some sense "objectively" bad play; it's not literally that, you'd just be hard relying on the town to give you so much credit for the hammer that it'd outweigh the benefit of e.g. eliciting counterclaims. Or maybe ceejay was planning on claiming VT, idk.
And Klick I don't think is scum from yesterday stuff and no one really seems to disagree so I'm not really thinking that hard about the slot right now.
Fmpov, that leaves dann and worst. I don't really think either of them have especially done stuff they would not have done as scum. worst spent a lot of time flitting about yesterday and made a lot of efforts yesterday to help get ceejay back into the game; it's not like he wouldn't have done this as town (in fact, it'd be good play as town!) but it's also good play as scum to give ceejay opportunities to get out of the hole. The timing of his ceejay vote is fairly town i think though.
Dannflor's play similarly, is like, not things he wouldn't have done as town, but I feel it's easy to fit an arc to his play as scum; he spent most of d1 doing nothing super specific but he called me/ceejay a possible scumteam, and then eventually called black/ceejay the scumteam. His play makes sense as scum because that big case post on black that also calls ceejay scum serves to reintroduce someone to the lim pool, because dann if scum needs the lim pool over time to have enough people in it. Like, I think for both of them I struggle to distinguish where their play is coming from when I feel like both of them have done things that make plenty of sense as both alignments.-
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UNVOTE: i actually just fully need to recalibrate-
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I've been in a lot of states but I've never been to AmericaAlso, what is NM doing? Worst play I’ve ever seen.I can't remember the last N_M post that wasn't bland, unimaginative and lame. Some shitposters are at least somewhat funny. You are the epitomy of the type of poster that nobody would miss if you were to suddenly disappear. You never add anything of value.I'm guessing you haven't read the game and probably never will? Why even sign up to play?-
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I don't really think it is NM honestly like doing nothing but casing his scumbuddy & white knighting Klick then sheeping me in this phase doesn't feel exactly right but then that little voice in my head is saying WHAT IF not_mafia is just doing exactly that for the free win as scum
and like what if it just is not_mafia
but I don't really feel like this is..it...
there's definitely an absurdist core of NM/Black who don't have zero partner equity but either of whom has made decisions in this game that ostensibly makes their job harder than it needs to be-
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maybe I was also hoping that he was going to come in and counter-claim PC and save the day or something.-
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This little stash of game names almost seems like it was intentionally shoved underneath the foliage:
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"Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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Political Clout has been prodded."Yeah after a point it felt like Aureal was the only one talking sense despite being a goose so I just followed."
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implosion do you really care about solving me-
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because i read 877 and can nod my head and be sympathetic but at the same time
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I actually kinda do just need non townreads to be viable scum candidates atm. Ceejay's iso is pretty dry for partner interactions and there's a small core of players who I just don't think are scum. I don't have scumreads really. I figured it was just PC lol. If we treat NM & Black as town for a fun thought exercise, low-key I'm at a loss as to how you/klick/implo/myself are actually meant to sort each other accurately. We could try calling each other names I guess.-
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(p-edit: this is responding to dann)
I mean, i understand that the same analysis i'm giving there applies to me. me wanting you and worst to be in the elimination pool is obviously sensible if i'm scum. I'm basically saying that right now you two are sort of a poe pool; the biggest reason that I feel bad about that is that I'm not entirely sure what circumstances I'd be able to have more confident reads on either of you under. And yeah, i'm probably being melodramatic in painting reading either of you (particularly you) as this herculean task.
Ultimately the answer is no, I don't really care that much about solving you if I'm able to solve enough of the rest of the game, though.-
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And dann, frankly if you are town I'm not sure how I'm supposed to distinguish this game from what I know of how you play as scum from Toriel's. Your big post in this game about Black has similar, not identical, but similar vibes to [url=viewtopic.php?p=14000311#p14000311]this[/post] post to me from that game. They're both big well-reasoned posts with specific agendas trying to massage the state of the game in a particular direction; both of them come at times when you, if scum, need to make big moves to win (in this game you didn't necessarily need to make a big move then, but at some point you'd need to make some sort of moves). That post paints a picture in my head of you playing very intentionally as scum and I feel your play this game fits that perfectly well with the ceejay flip.-
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In post 892, implosion wrote: And dann, frankly if you are town I'm not sure how I'm supposed to distinguish this game from what I know of how you play as scum from Toriel's. Your big post in this game about Black has similar, not identical, but similar vibes to this post to me from that game. They're both big well-reasoned posts with specific agendas trying to massage the state of the game in a particular direction; both of them come at times when you, if scum, need to make big moves to win (in this game you didn't necessarily need to make a big move then, but at some point you'd need to make some sort of moves). That post paints a picture in my head of you playing very intentionally as scum and I feel your play this game fits that perfectly well with the ceejay flip.-
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Anyway I may as well go over what I was thinking earlier when I ISO'd ceejay:
This reads as both not partnered to me. "I kind of don't like that vote" and "maybe black town" are both things i would be absolutely terrified to say about a scumbuddy in my first content postIn post 55, ceejayvinoya wrote: VOTE: Klick
I kind of don't like that vote
also aside from a maybe Black town am not getting much out of this yet
His RVS and his next vote are both on conftown. 165 is neutral since TW asked a question specifically. 167 also feels non-partnery to Klick. 384 is first mention of Dann and also fairly neutral (replying to an attack). 511 is his first mention of me; knowing I'm town I think it's probably an explicit attempt to look partnery with a limp push. I'm the 2nd last person that he addresses directly (the last being n_m who he calls not mafia in 553, which, shrug).
I think the most interesting thing (and the thing I mentioned above) is 517 and 519:
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When asked about confident reads (which he interprets as confident scumreads) he lists me + the two conftown. He gives some analysis on me and Bingle. He hasn't really given a lot of analysis in general up to this point. I think when making 519, he'd naturally want to give some analysis on a partner (perhaps unless that partner is n_m). I guess he was answering the question of what is "weakest" reads are and he was claiming to have a stronger townread on Black and maybe Klick. So maybe they're just the two people to talk about at that point, idk. maybe someone else can read something into all this-
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Occam's razor says you have high partner equity by rule of 3
being asked for your weakest reads is such an awkward brain space to be in but honestly I do think ceejay would just say what's on his mind. that's probably a fairly solid indicator to look at me or dann more closely.-
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It's the difference between 'this person is quite good at scum and making a read will be tricky' vs 'I can't reliably see the difference between their town play and their scum play'In post 876, implosion wrote: i think not assuming PC is town is silly lol.
I feel sympathetic toward this but on the flip side, I don't think it's like duck or black or dannflor are exactly not genuinely difficult to read.In post 867, Klick wrote: I feel meh about NM and implosion as well but I think that's less about lack of confidence in how they play, and more about them being genuinely difficult to read
Idk. I want to find you if you're town but I really struggle to see much of anything you've done as outside of what you'd be wanting to do as scum.-
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In contrast with Dann who I actually think seems visibly town for reasons I have already at least partially expressed-
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I'm kind of annoyed by worst's progression on PC going from 'I like Klick's case but think it's wrong' to the level of confidence they express in PC!scum after this point.In post 778, the worst wrote: PC is my natural next push. I like Klick's towncase on PC. I think my reaction to it is more like "maybe" than "yes" and stuff tho. I don't feel like I like his associatives with cjv all that much but no huge red flags.
Wonder if PC's very individualist narrative is him doing his own thing & solving the game or whether it's him missing what we're all seeing.
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