LOST (Game Over)

[Bell]

Yes

why?

No idea.

[Off The Hook]

bell : (

who do u have a phat read on then?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I find it quite funny that you think both me and DP could be scum together but OK, I can see where you're coming from.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Above is at Luke ffs

[Mislim Bait]

And what's your case on klick/Miselim?

ISO me

wait thats the best you got?

[Lukewarm]

One of my main takeaways is that from all of this, Luke's main takeaway was that I stayed on wagons too long? Like what?

This was never a point that I made at any time this game.

[Bell]

bell : (

who do u have a phat read on then?

Mathblade.

@BBT: Eh.

[Off The Hook]

Mathblade

explain

[Dancing Puppets]

Luke, the biggest problem with your VCA is context.

Sure, I was on the Ceph wagon for a while. But if you look at my ISO, you will see I simply wasn't around for large parts of the game. 400 posts at a time could happen between two of my posts.

I vote Ceph early, like 155 or something. I post again around 600 to say I will try to catch up and then during catch up, around post 1000 I start voting frog. So between my original vote in 155 and my change of vote literally 2 or 3 posts later we're at post 1000 or something (can't remember as I'm phone posting)

I feel you're missing a huge aspect of VCA.

There is a reason i did not vote with the VCA. I don't actually trust my ability to know what is important there. However, your point about moving from Ceph->Frog is kinda uncompelling since what I was looking at was the fact that ceph and frog were both wagons that existed simultaneous on flipped townies. I was listing everyone who was on either one, so going from one to the other is meaningless in that context I think?

Do you find DPs or Enchants votes to be independently scummy

or is it just because you're using pre-flip associatives?

No. It was specifically an "If BBT flips scum" comment

It was based around the fact that they both stayed off the frog wagon for most of the time it existed, but then show up on the frog wagon in the very first vote count after your wagon formed. For it to mean anything, it presumes your scum flip, and if you are town it probably meaningless.

Spoiler:

{Frog was one of the leading wagons for several vote counts}

Vote Count 1.16

6

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

,

Cephrir

, Lukewarm, Galron, BlueBloodedToffee)

3 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

)

{Neither is on the wagon}

Vote Count 1.17

5

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

, Lukewarm, Galron, BlueBloodedToffee)
5 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

,

Cephrir

, PenguinPower)

{BBT wagon forms}

Vote Count 1.18

7

Frogsterking

(JohnnyFarrar,

Roden

, Lukewarm, Galron, BlueBloodedToffee, Dancing Puppets, Enchant)

5 BlueBloodedToffee (

Dunnstral

, Cat Scratch Fever,

Frogsterking

,

Cephrir

, PenguinPower)

{They both join the frog wagon}

Like my God, that is a horrible take on us. We’re never buddies with BBT. That is seriously beyond beyond cringe. I actually thought you were joking when you posted that.

[Lukewarm]

I find it quite funny that you think both me and DP could be scum together but OK, I can see where you're coming from.

I don't?

My final guess based on the VCA was BBT+Enchant

When I typed up the stuff that I put into the area boxes, I did a "what if I just look at the VCs, colored with the flips, and see what thoughts I have about how the day played out."

Was purposefully trying to be objective (hence me literally FoSing myself lmao).

Then afterwards, I guessed BBT+Enchant, because I doubt that two different partners would simultaneously jump on the same wagon to try to save you there, and between DP and Enchant, I would guess enchant as the partner.

You feel more defensive of the things that I am said there then feels appropriate, given I am not actually pushing or voting you.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm a defensive player, what can I say. I've had to defend myself this entire game because since the start I've managed to accumulate an unreal amount of scum reads. Was it 14 scum reads with 0 town reads? I also feel like I've consistently been a wagon option and it just gets tiring.

So why am I scum from the VCA again?

[Dancing Puppets]

I find it quite funny that you think both me and DP could be scum together but OK, I can see where you're coming from.

I don't?

My final guess based on the VCA was BBT+Enchant

When I typed up the stuff that I put into the area boxes, I did a "what if I just look at the VCs, colored with the flips, and see what thoughts I have about how the day played out."

Was purposefully trying to be objective (hence me literally FoSing myself lmao).

Then afterwards, I guessed BBT+Enchant, because I doubt that two different partners would simultaneously jump on the same wagon to try to save you there, and between DP and Enchant, I would guess enchant as the partner.

You feel more defensive of the things that I am said there then feels appropriate, given I am not actually pushing or voting you.

[Lukewarm]

Like my God, that is a horrible take on us. We’re never buddies with BBT. That is seriously beyond beyond cringe. I actually thought you were joking when you posted that.

Did neither one of you see that with my analysis that I FoS'ed myself, and was clearly trying to do an objectively VCA, just on the Vote Count ignoring the thread interactions and even my own knowledge of my pm...

My conclusion was, based on the VCA, Puppets and/or Enchant would look bad on a BBT flip. BUT, then thinking about play I would lean towards enchant over Puppets....

Like. That was in there...

[Mislim Bait]

why is everyone and their mom obsessed with day 1 vcas with no mafia flips

[BlueBloodedToffee]

It couldn't have been objective because you're looking at it from the POV of Scum!BBT. If it was objective, you would have noticed Bella and Klick being on 4 different leading wagons and 2 of those being confirmed town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I for one am shocked that people could be voting together in a large theme game that requires 14 votes to evict off the island when the game is 350 pages long and that the flips are only town so far.

it must be an evil conspiracy and we should definitely maybe root out the perpetrators starting with that cute puppy over there

[Dancing Puppets]

Like my God, that is a horrible take on us. We’re never buddies with BBT. That is seriously beyond beyond cringe. I actually thought you were joking when you posted that.

Did neither one of you see that with my analysis that I FoS'ed myself, and was clearly trying to do an objectively VCA, just on the Vote Count ignoring the thread interactions and even my own knowledge of my pm...

My conclusion was, based on the VCA, Puppets and/or Enchant would look bad on a BBT flip. BUT, then thinking about play I would lean towards enchant over Puppets....

Like. That was in there...

Oh sorry then. It just that - based off of both interactions and play - it’s super blatantly obvious we’re not aligned with them. We’re not aligned with ANYONE.

[Lukewarm]

It couldn't have been objective because you're looking at it from the POV of Scum!BBT. If it was objective, you would have noticed Bella and Klick being on 4 different leading wagons and 2 of those being confirmed town.

I literally didn't do that.

I have not even been scum reading you and frankly keep forgetting that you are even in this game. So, it was not on my mind as I looked at it.

I can try to re-explain how I reached the thing that I reached if you want, but I don't have time right now.

[Bellaphant]

I for one am shocked that people could be voting together in a large theme game that requires 14 votes to evict off the island when the game is 350 pages long and that the flips are only town so far.

it must be an evil conspiracy and we should definitely maybe root out the perpetrators starting with that cute puppy over there

[Dancing Puppets]

Wanted to see who will be pissed off and start white knighing hard.

I think regardless of Taly alignment, mafia white knighting her. It's like 99%.
Will soon vote one of these, need to think which one though.

Does anyone think this could seriously be a town thought?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Ceph's reaction to pressure was towny - in particular, I liked where he was like 'don't take my Town PM away', his feelings around that feel genuine and I don't think it's the route he'd take as scum.

Explained town read on Ceph, as well as other multiple people in this post.

Notably also gone off Ceph town

VOTE: Cephrir

Votes Ceph with very little explanation.

Ceph asks why Klick flipped his read on him;

Well to be completely honest all three of the players in my scumreads section are very weak reads and I'm a bit lost for direction. I've reconsidered and think that what you've posted so far could really reasonably come from you as scum. I think you're reacting fairly poorly under pressure and I could see it being the route you choose as scum here.

But like I don't feel strongly about it. Nothing feels right as scum atm. In contrast, everyone in the top rung of my townreads is a rather strong townread, as in I'd be surprised if they were scum

Klick admits he has no strong reads but was happy to 180 on a previous town read? Not only that, he scum reads him for what he previously town read him for (reacting to pressure)

This is probably because Corwin/MathBlade is just a scum slot and should die today

VOTE: MathBlade

More detailed reasoning for a scum read from Klick.

I'd be rather happy with a Roden vote

Happy with a Roden vote, doesn't say why...

I see a Roden wagon
VOTE: Roden

Hops aboard the wagon. No explanation again.

VOTE: Malakittens

Naked vote again.

Klick was pretty bad at explaining any of his scum reads or his votes but was more than happy to elaborate on town reads. Again, easy option for scum.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

(I tried to call you!)

Do you always move your vote around this much?

Hey Bella, this you talking to Klick?

[Dancing Puppets]

@BBT, what is your read on Enchant?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I don't really have one? Haven't paid them much attention.

Can ISO and get back to you at some point though

[Mislim Bait]

so the whole case against my slot started with me possibly TMIng math town but it suddenly evolved into a klick case.