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Also,
In post 13, Voidedmafia wrote:
I would also suggest that, should a cop and doc have the same night, they should both claim (or at least make their claims easy for each other to deduce, and then the doc auto-protects the cop. Do note this ONLY applies if a cop and doc share the same night, as that should garauntee an investigation. If the doc in question shows him/herself to be particularly townie I suppose it's not bad to risk them not shooting the cop.
how the fuck would that work?-
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In post 13, Voidedmafia wrote:
In a game where you only get one shot on one specific night? Regardless of whether or not you act, you're effectively a VT for the rest of the game afterwards.
Yes, and we shouldn't tell scum who's a VT and who is a 1-shot cop or doc.
Also, I only care for it to be considered IF AND ONLY IF we ever have a cop and doc with the same night. It allows for a garaunteed investigation (scum can't shoot the cop because of the doc protect). Or what, exactly, are you objecting to?
And how are we supposed to find out without revealing it if there isn't both a cop and a dog?-
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In post 27, Voidedmafia wrote:
IceGuy, I stated quite plainly when I first mentioned the "same night cop/doc" idea that it should only be considered if such a thing comes up, and I already gave up the idea. Why are you voting me?
Because you should know better.-
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In post 41, 2birds1stone wrote:Cops should claim the day there night's coming up (e.g., N1 cop should claim right now, N2 cop should claim tomorrow, etc.)
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In post 55, 2birds1stone wrote:It gives hypothetical docs a better target though, and means the scum have to risk no-killing if they wanna bump of cops (which they do). I'm pretty sure that the resulting WIFOM and risk management benefit town a lot more than they do scum.
33% probability of killing the current cop. 'Nuff said.-
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Obviously I do since I have a non-random vote placed.-
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How about you read the game for a change.-
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I don't have a problem with bad plans. I have a problems with bad plans coming from people who should know better. Especially when those plans have a glaring mistake and are based on hoping people read it, don't realize the flaw, and claim fast. Even more so when, after the plan being ripped to shreds, they keep posting stuff like "if you're not an N1 cop, don't claim", implying they want N1 cops to claim so they can just kill them off immediately.
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In post 86, FuDuzn wrote:Just so I am clear, Iceguy, were you voting Om just out of frustration? You hinted that it may have been for a deeper reason.
Mostly out of frustration, but also to see how he'd act. While first gut instinct is that he reacted scummy, I'll probably pull up meta to check whether this was typical for him.
Also Ice, you seem to be ignoring what Venmar is saying. We all pretty much agree it is a bad plan, but do you really think his intent was to pull a fast one on the town?
I'm not ignoring it - I'm disagreeing with it. And yes, I really believe he was trying to fool town.-
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In post 89, FuDuzn wrote:I have played a few games with Om as of late, he seems to be lurky in all of them. But he also mentions that he only does it as town in every game as well(same as he did here). It has become more of a null tell for me, but tbf he has been town in the aforementioned games.
Not referring to lurking, referring to the almost OMGUS vote and attack upon being voted.
I was kind of prodding Ice about it as well, why do you think his intent was scummy?
Already stated. Town proposes a plan and explains it, then drops it after being explained why it's a bad idea if it was done in a clear and obvious manner. Scum keeps pushing the plan over and over again in the hopes of a townie not paying attention to claim. And then there's the issue of Voided not exactly being a newbie.-
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Could somebody not voting Voided explain how that:
In post 13, Voidedmafia wrote:
I would also suggest that, should a cop and doc have the same night, they should both claim
could come from somebody who actually is a cop or a doc?-
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In post 95, Venmar wrote:In post 94, IceGuy wrote:
In post 13, Voidedmafia wrote:
I would also suggest that, should a cop and doc have the same night, they should both claim
could come from somebody who actually is a cop or a doc?
- He could be a cop or doctor that works during night 3, so he could possibly want to get the night 1 and night 2 doctors and cops to do their job efficiently. I hope i did make it clear though i don't think Voided is flat out town, just that his bad plan isn't exactly something we should lynch him for ALONE. I am keep an eye on him like i said.
No, I mean: How can you from your role PM not immediately see that the whole "claiming only if somebody else with the same night is also present" thing doesn't work because you don't know whether there is such a person?-
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In post 97, Voidedmafia wrote:
Post 94 - IceGuy, what does "coming from someone who's not the cop or doc" have to do with the plan I thought up?
If you were a cop or a doc you'd immediately have noticed your plan is deeply flawed just by reading your role PM.-
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Okay, the deal with Venmar is: He seems to be a relatively new player who's active and posting a lot. I'm the only player who posted more than he did, and I generally posted only single sentences while he posted entire paragraphs. I mostly agree with Anon re: him. Logically, I'd give him a town read; gut screams scum. The point is that we're going to find out for sure on D2 or D3, though. There is no point lynching him right now.
While I'd still prefer a Voided wagon, I can get on the 2b1s case.
VOTE: 2birds1stone (L-1)
For those of you "not seeing the case": 2b1s pushed a cop claim plan with the argument that a doc would be able to protect the cop 66% of the time, after I and several others had explained to Voided why his plan doesn't work.
He has also not really contributed anything beyond that to the game. He voted Venmar, voted DeltaWave when DW voted him, put the vote back on Venmar after DW told him it was only a pressure vote, called a scumteam based on pretty much nothing (scumtell there), claimed people only voted him because of that vote, ignoring his previous plans, AtE'd and read OmNom as town. That's pretty much his entire contribution to the game, none of which seems towny or constructive in any way and some of it seems scummy.
Actually, re-reading this I'm even more content with 2b1s getting lynched instead of Voided.-
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In post 173, 2birds1stone wrote:IceGuy, you know I'm always like this. I get everyone else's votes, but seriously, have you played a game with me where I haven't OMGUSed everyone and called scumteams for trivial reasons?
Yes. Open 361, where I was scum and you were town. You didn't play like this at all and I was in LyLo with you.
In post 178, ConfidAnon wrote:
Explain to me, then, the scum motivation behind 2b1s's play. Certainly it's not the best (as in, high-quality), but why is it more likely to come from scum than town? That's the part I don't see at all.
Why the claim part is beneficial to scum - I think I don't need to explain this.
The remainder - mostly trying to appear town while actually not contributing anything to the game.
In post 179, absta101 wrote:2B1S I don't see the reason for a no claim from you.
Actually, I do. Claims are worthless in this game - it's not like a counterclaim would mean anything.-
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In post 199, Malakittens wrote:Bah. Okay, most likely there's scum on all wagons.
That's actually not likely at all.
Because of yesterday. Obviously.-
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In post 163, IceGuy wrote:Okay, the deal with Venmar is: He seems to be a relatively new player who's active and posting a lot. I'm the only player who posted more than he did, and I generally posted only single sentences while he posted entire paragraphs. I mostly agree with Anon re: him. Logically, I'd give him a town read; gut screams scum. The point is that we're going to find out for sure on D2 or D3, though. There is no point lynching him right now.-
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In post 261, absta101 wrote:Calling chainsaw defence without a flip. Nice attempt at making me look bad.
Don't worry - you don't need me to look bad.
1. The Mala waggon grew way too fast.
2. The lack of good reasons for votes.
And...that's it?
I see post #199 as harmless town speculation. What do you see?
I see a very newbscummy post.-
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This pretty much seals the deal for me.
In post 319, Malakittens wrote:
Yes, the wagon starting on me should be a clear indication that I'm not actually scum and I'm town,
That's not even an argument. Wagons start on town and scum players all the time.
but I'm trying to see where on the wagon itself is scum or where it's town. I believe Scott/IceGuy are scum.
Okay, in general I'd consider senseless OMGUS lashing from a new player a nulltell, but in conjunction with this...
Iceguy I really hope when I'm lynched and revealed as town, you kick yourself in the face for pushing this so hard.
...it becomes obvious the read is fake.
Either I'm scum, in which case I'd pat myself on the back for mislynching.
Or I'd kick myself in the face, in which case I'm town.
Dead serious here, but I wish you guys would consider giving me a pass on this day, lynch someone else so I can show something on the following day. >.>
Since such a claim can't be proven, it's worthless and a simple survival gambit. The fact that it came long before L-1 and intent to hammer is also curious.-
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In post 319, Malakittens wrote:Dead serious here, but I wish you guys would consider giving me a pass on this day, lynch someone else so I can show something on the following day. >.>
What's that but a softclaim?-
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In post 330, Malakittens wrote:I got a N3 action. Yes, it was a soft claim. I really hate soft claims, but the role I have is necessary for me to soft claim here.
So now you're trying to delay your lynch by two days instead of one?-
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In post 350, Malakittens wrote:I use gut too. My gut is screaming Scott is scum, but the same with Ice.
Gut was used as a big time to get reads. Only problem is gut can't be used since you can't explain it.
I thought Scott and me were scum because we voted you?
Are you just making this up as you go? (Trick question. The answer is yes)-
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In post 354, Malakittens wrote:I had a scum gut read on Scott due to D1, but Iceguy the way you voted me is the reason I believe you are scum now.
So the scum read on Scott was gut (although you claimed the opposite yesterday and made a long post why it isn't), but the read on me isn't?
Every post you're making contains a new contradiction.
absta: Why the unvote?-
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Because rushing a lynch through is anti-town behavior.
One of them flipping townconfirmsthe other as scum.
Which would put us at 2:3 with practically no additional information.-
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In post 388, Venmar wrote:If you guys lynch FuDuzn you will be at 5:2 tomorrow if the scum kill next night. ( duh )
If you guys lynch me, you will be at 3:2 tomorrow if the scum kill next night ( duh )
If we lynch FuDuzn we'll either be at 3:4 or at 2:5 tomorrow.
If we lynch you we'll either be at 3:4 or at 2:5 tomorrow.-
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In post 390, Venmar wrote:I have a guilty on FuDuzn... you are guaranteed 5:2 tomorrow.
Assuming you're saying the truth, that is.-
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In post 398, IceGuy wrote:And you're desperately trying to push this lynch extremely quickly before anybody has second thoughts, such as that both of you might be scum, or other claims.
The fact that you're pushing this so hard makes me want to delay the lynch by several (RL) days:
In post 372, Venmar wrote:I got a guilty, now we lynch.
In post 390, Venmar wrote:I have a guilty on FuDuzn... you are guaranteed 5:2 tomorrow.
In post 399, Venmar wrote:There's not much to wait for, we are lynching scum.
We already know you got a guilty. The fact that you push this extremely hard makes me think there is something behind the bush. Nobody gets lynched before everybody has checked in (ConfidAnon is still missing).
In post 401, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
Also, what "second thoughts"? Are you gonna get an epiphany from the heavens that both Ven and Ice are town? If not, then please help to lynch one, so we can get more info.
Ice is confirmed town to me, actually.-
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In post 404, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Lynch FuD. If he's scum, lynch Scott.
Actually, I'd much rather lynch Venmar in any case.-
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In post 406, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:
Actually, we should prob mass claim roles only (w/o the x-day) at some point to establish in which group scum will be in (either fake-claiming cop or fake-claiming doc).
What's the point? The claims are not checkable and can be easily faked by scum, since they know all alignments and can control the night kill.-
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In post 405, IceGuy wrote:In post 404, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Lynch FuD. If he's scum, lynch Scott.
Actually, I'd much rather lynch Venmar in any case.
To clarify this, I want both Venmar and FuDuzn lynched, but don't particularly care about the order.-
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In post 414, FuDuzn wrote:
The way Iceguy appears to be waffling seems weird to me, like he doesn't want to commit to voting either of us because he knows he is damned either way.
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Yes.
Venmar's behavior regarding the FuDuzn guilty is too questionable to be ignored.-
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No, it's not.
I understand why you want to get your guilty lynched, but I don't understand what the justification for this:
In post 372, Venmar wrote:I got a guilty, now we lynch.
In post 390, Venmar wrote:I have a guilty on FuDuzn... you are guaranteed 5:2 tomorrow.
In post 399, Venmar wrote:There's not much to wait for, we are lynching scum.
should be from a town perspective. Rushed lynches, even with a guilty, hurt town because they allow for less information collection. However, when this is done before everybody has checked in, and coupled with pressure to not disagree - when I first advanced this theory, and reminded everybody a scum flip does not confirm the other as town, Venmar said:
In post 384, Venmar wrote:IceGuy is second scum. Great guys, we are on a roll.
it becomes downright scummy.-
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