Cult win conditions

[Shamrock]

In general, do cults win if they get a simple majority, or do they have to destroy all the other scum groups as well like multiple mafias do? (I'd only think they wouldn't have to do that because they don't nightkill and can't recruit scum.)

The wiki isn't clear about this so I figured I'd ask here.

[Yosarian2]

(shrug) Well, they can't nightkill, and they can't recruit scum, but if the cult has over 50% of the town, the cult controls the lynch from then on, which should usually be enough by itself for the cult to wipe out the scum, unless there is more then 1 nightkill a night.

[Fritzler]

Yea, i've been on a cult roll, its generally half of the town (if you had to have every town, its in their interest to let the cult win), and all killing groups dead (vigs can make a difference too)

[PolarBoy]

If there can only be one kill per night and the cult controls the lynch it is impossible at that point for the mafia to win (They may even help the cult win faster). The cult may systematically lynch or recruit anyone not already a member of the cult with no fear of being destroyed in the process. So if a Mod knows this he should probably end the game right there.

[Puzzle]

Depends if the cult dissolves when the leader dies, or suicides collectively, or other roles can prevent the end game featuring only cult...

[Flying Dutchman]

Cult, Scum, and Town all have the same win condition in the end: Eliminate all other groups. Most games, however, are ended when one group will inevitably win the game. This is, for example, the case if a scum group gets a majority over a group of townies. As far as the cult goes, as long as there are multiple killing groups left, it isn't certain they will keep their majority to be able to decide the lynch. Therefore, the game is not over yet.

(Unless the win condition was 'get a majority', but that's pretty rare, as far as I know.)

[PolarBoy]

Puzzle, we can introduce new caveats all day. I said before that it's ultimately the mod's call, as he is the only one who actually knows whether the game end is a foregone conclusion or not. Actually my statement doesn't apply to the description of a cult found on the wiki because the requirement that only one kill be possible per night is nullified by the presence of a cult. If a cult tries to recruit mafia, the cult member dies. Of course, if the cult has the option to stop recruiting then my original post is on the money.

Mafia roles have become so game specific, it's difficult to talk about even the supposedly standard roles in any general terms. It's like every game is themed these days.

[Mr. Flay]

Mafia roles have become so game specific, it's difficult to talk about even the supposedly standard roles in any general terms. It's like every game is themed these days.

*shrug* Cult has never been a particularly well-defined role, anyway...sometimes they're pro-town, sometimes they're a separate faction, sometimes they're Jonestown and all die if the leader dies, sometimes they just become a recruiting masonhood...

Of course, if you don't like what the wiki says about them, you can change it. It's a wiki, after all.

[Yosarian2]

Yeah...the problem is that the cult ability (convert one person per night) is inherently much stronger then the mafia ability (kill one person a night), so in order to keep it balanced, they need to put some kind of limit on it.