Game Idea: Serial Killer's Gambit

[GreenLiquid]

Here's the Setup:

SETUP: Serial Killer’s Gambit

Open Setup, Night Start, Equal Chance Variant Game

Variant 1

2 Serial Killers (immune to cross-kills)
1 Psychiatrist
1 Cop
8 Townies

Variant 2

2 Serial Killers (immune to cross-kills)
1 Psychiatrist
9 Townies

Variant 3

2 Serial Killers (immune to cross-kills)
1 Cop
9 Townies

Variant 4

2 Serial Killers (immune to cross-kills)
10 Townies

As you look at it, you should be able to notice several strategies for the Serial Killers to use, considering that the Serial Killers can actually safely claim (some are riskier than others, but they can potentially work if pulled off right) any of the roles potentially available in the setup.

Would this game be a Mini Theme or Mini Regular? And do you think it is balanced?

[Thok]

This would be a mini regular.

This strikes me as an SK analogue of C9, except that the SK's are much weaker then the mafia is in C9. I might consider dumping a townie or two, but I could be wrong.

[GreenLiquid]

This would be a mini regular.

This strikes me as an SK analogue of C9, except that the SK's are much weaker then the mafia is in C9. I might consider dumping a townie or two, but I could be wrong.

That's what I was thinking it was like. If you can run a mini with 10 players, removing some townies would be preferable (otherwise the game would be too long for the SK's advantage).

I was considering also including other potential power-roles as well, but that makes things a bit too complicated and most likely overpowers the town.

[Tamuz]

I would lynch any power-role claim in that game.

Cop claim or Psych claim, I'd lynch them.

[GreenLiquid]

I would lynch any power-role claim in that game.

Cop claim or Psych claim, I'd lynch them.

Wouldn't be a bad idea, considering SK could be impersonating them. However, they could also claim townie and have a large number of other townies to hide amounst.

[Thok]

Mini's can have any number of people under 12. (Just tell MeMe that you only want 10 people in the game-we've run C9 mini regulars in the past).

[GreenLiquid]

In that case, yeah, I'd probably cut the number of players to 10.

[Fiasco]

1. The balance of this game depends strongly on random luck, like C9. Both the psychiatrist and the cop are very powerful.
2. Alignment-changing roles are bad, IMHO. What's to stop both SKs from coming out to the psychiatrist immediately?

This would definitely be a mini regular.

Also, plug-a-doodle-doo

[VisMaior]

What's to stop both SKs from coming out to the psychiatrist immediately?

there might be no psychiatrist...

[Yosarian2]

Don't like the idea of a psychiastrist in a game like that. The psychiastrist would fire every night, no reason not to, and it's completly random if they hit the SK or not.

I'd rather see you take out the psychiastrists and put in vigs in their place. At least then there would be a good reason to fire intellegently, instead of randomly every single night, which would make the game more skill-based instead of luck based. Plus, if a vig takes out SK #1, SK #2 is in a better position then if SK #1 gets converted.

[TheEyeOfMordor]

The only problem I can see is if the SK´s crossfire at eachother and end the game.
I would hate to be in a Night 1 Town victory.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

They're immune to crosskils, Eye.

[GreenLiquid]

I'm still not sure how to work it, I might do something like this:

2 SKs (immune to C-K's)
1 Cop
1 Doctor
1 Vigilante
5 Townies

This setup as the 'prototype,' but the possible setups (in terms of town power roles, and rest are townies) are:

1 Cop, 1 Doc
1 Doc, 1 Vig
1 Vig, 1 Cop
1 Vig
1 Cop
1 Doc
All Townies

I'm trying to work the setup so that the SK's have to play mindgames with each other and the town.

[Coron]

Don't like the idea of a psychiastrist in a game like that. The psychiastrist would fire every night, no reason not to, and it's completly random if they hit the SK or not.

NOT RANDOM NOT RANDOM NOT RANDOM

[GreenLiquid]

A bit more work on the same idea:

Serial Killer’s Gambit - 10 Players

Always have 2 SKs that are immune to cross-kills.
All other roles are townies.

1. 1 Cop, 1 Doc
2. 1 Doc, 1 Vig
3. 1 Vig, 1 Cop
4. 1 Cop
5. 1 Doc
6. 1 Vig
7. No Power Roles

The percentages for each setup occurring:

1. 13%
2. 13%
3. 13%
4. 15%
5. 15%
6. 15%
7. 16%

[TheEyeOfMordor]

sorry, didn´t see the immune part.

[Max]

Green Liquid I have an Idea for it

make it so the SKs can cross kill unless there are only 2 SKs left

[GreenLiquid]

Green Liquid I have an Idea for it

make it so the SKs can cross kill unless there are only 2 SKs left

Umm, but there's never going to be more than 2 SK's, so I'm not sure how that makes sense...

[Max]

i mean left left like all townies are dead and only 2 SKs left

[GreenLiquid]

Um... they would just target each other.

[Yosarian2]

Don't like the idea of a psychiastrist in a game like that. The psychiastrist would fire every night, no reason not to, and it's completly random if they hit the SK or not.

NOT RANDOM NOT RANDOM NOT RANDOM

I mean, night 1 it'll be random. Whereas a vig probably won't fire night 1, and probably won't fire until they're suspicious of someone.

[Yosarian2]

If they're immune to cross-kills, though, there'd be a lot of draws. If they're "true" SK's, and need to be the last one standing, let them kill each other. If they can't kill each other, then give them a win condition that says they win if they're alive and all GG's are dead (so if both SK's make it to the end, they both win).

[GreenLiquid]

If they're immune to cross-kills, though, there'd be a lot of draws. If they're "true" SK's, and need to be the last one standing, let them kill each other. If they can't kill each other, then give them a win condition that says they win if they're alive and all GG's are dead (so if both SK's make it to the end, they both win).

That's probably a good idea. Here's the win conditions:

TOWN: Both SK's are dead
SKs: All Townspeople are dead

[GreenLiquid]

Then that raises the problem of actually taking out the other SK...

In that case, I'd say if both SK's are alive at the end, town wins. Then, the SK's are more motivated to expose one another.

[Mr. Flay]

No cross-kills sounds good except it does make your SK a bit more like a cop (with no docs, that's potentially the only way you'd not get two NKs every night).

I don't think I like having the Psychiatrist either. Two SKs vs 8-10 townies might be fair, with the mechanic that two SKs left alive at the end automatically target each other and both die.