Mini 500 - Cult Mafia - Game Over!

[vollkan]

The scale I will be using is 0% = Absolutely town, 100% = Absolutely scum

MoS

- I didn't have strong suspicions of him early on in the height of the wagoning with his ploy. Since then, he has been participating well. Slightly scummy, but I think more likely town. 35%.

Oman

- A few little things earlier (most notably the "developed plan" farrago). He hasn't been very helpful. 65%.

Kakeng

- Well, our lurky lurker ac1983 was replaced by a lurkier lurker. Completely unhelpful and has actually refused to post (the whole "It's still plenty of time" thing). I'd be happy with his lynch out of a combination of his lurking and obstinacy. 60%

Tarhalindur

- I was among those who weren't sold on the BS wagon. At the time, it seemed reasonable, given that we hadn't properly analysed the reality. I believe his vanilla claim; his actions make no sense at all otherwise. Having said that, his recruitment is very likely so I will be watching him like a hawk. 30%

CKD

- In my last scumdar, I said he seemed pro-town and I maintain that here. I don't get very many pings at all. 20%

Pwayne66

- I didn't have much of a read of him in my last scumdar. He was ambiguous. His latest pushing of the Tar lynch hiked up my suspicion considerably. He has since dropped it so

Unvote

. 75%

Tyhess

- What I said in my last scumdar remains unaltered: "Numerous scummy actions, but also a complete newb. He has suspicion from me, but I need to see how things develop." 60%

Trojan Horse

- A lot of small things aggregating from him
, but nothing earth-shattering. 65%.

Flameaxe

- I didn't like him early on. His only post in this whole Pwayne-Tar affair was an "I told you so". His previous posts were all useless one-liners. 70%.

White

- Forceful, direct and active (sounds like a shampoo ) Maybe a bit aggressive at times, but I often get accused of the same thing when I move into an attack on people, so I feel comfortable attributing this to playstyle. 30%

Theopor_COD

- Not very much help. His most recent stuff has been pushing for Kakeng and entirely ignoring the wagon on Pwayne. If Pwayne comes up scum, I think Theo is a potential partner. 65%

[Mastermind of Sin]

Vote: Kakeng

Let's lynch the scumz now.

[theopor_COD]

Theo - Not very much help. His most recent stuff has been pushing for Kakeng and entirely ignoring the wagon on Pwayne. If Pwayne comes up scum, I think Theo is a potential partner. 65%

Theo - Hasn't actually contributed a whole lot. I'd really like to see more out of him.

theopor_COD- speaking of quirky fetishes, this guy has been obsessed with getting AC/kakeng lynched since around page 5. He must be irked, b/c he almost got his wish until I came along.

I'm going to be blunt. This game is pissing me off, it's not fun. It's 41 pages for chrissake. No wonder Tar asked for replacement. I'd ask for replacement but I couldn't pity the game on anyone else. It's just a continuation of people babbling on about the same old things. I know short day's hurt the town but the more I think about this game, the longest days ever hurt the town aswell. The thought of re-reading everything just fills me with dread. Ok rant over.

Volkan - go back you will see that I did not avoid the Pwayne wagon, I didn't vote him no, basically because I don't think he's all that scummy in the grand scheme of things, his wish to policy lynch Tar on claiming vanilla is stupid, but I don't want to unvote Kakeng and hop onto another wagon, because frankly I think Kakeng's scum. End of story.

White - see above rant. I may if I can be bothered re-read and post a 1000 word epic but I very much doubt it will happen before the deadline and I doubt my top two suspects will change much either.

Pwayne - Dead on. I want him dead. Ideally Now.

[Mastermind of Sin]

To be fair, long days in and of themselves are not a bad thing. It's long days where people spend most of their time rehashing the same few things (ie me, waiting for lurkers/replacements, etc). I am in a mini game right now that had a 45 page D1, and I found two scum for the town in that Day. I feel the long day was beneficial to finding scum, but that's because we discussed a lot of different topics and the game never really stalled around something like it did here. This game feels like no one was really ready to commit to a lynch, and when they were, it felt like they knew it would be a bad idea to go through with it, so the game just sorta stalled while everyone waited for someone else to do something.

Disclaimer: By they I do not mean *everyone*, but I'm just generalizing cuz I can.

[vollkan]

I'm going to be blunt. This game is pissing me off, it's not fun. It's 41 pages for chrissake. No wonder Tar asked for replacement. I'd ask for replacement but I couldn't pity the game on anyone else. It's just a continuation of people babbling on about the same old things. I know short day's hurt the town but the more I think about this game, the longest days ever hurt the town aswell. The thought of re-reading everything just fills me with dread. Ok rant over.

Agreed. In my own experience, D1 should never exceed about 25 pages or so. Otherwise it just gets to the point where everyone is debating over a myriad of stuff with nothing really to go by.

Volkan - go back you will see that I did not avoid the Pwayne wagon, I didn't vote him no, basically because I don't think he's all that scummy in the grand scheme of things, his wish to policy lynch Tar on claiming vanilla is stupid, but I don't want to unvote Kakeng and hop onto another wagon, because frankly I think Kakeng's scum. End of story.

I more meant that I had not seen you make an explicit explanation either way, but this clears things up.

We need to push this along.

Vote: Kakeng

[Tarhalindur]

With deadline approaching and discussion going in circles, I fail to see how a bandwagon vote is a bad thing.

Unvote, Vote: Kakeng

[Mastermind of Sin]

5 on kakeng. I'd like a claim, then we can finish him off with a few more votes.

[theopor_COD]

I make it 6.

P.S I claim vanilla townie.

[vollkan]

Mod Edit

Official Vote Count #41

Kakeng[5](theopor_COD, Trojan Horse, Mastermind of Sin, vollkan, Tarhalindur)
pwayne66[2](Oman, curiouskarmadog)
Flameaxe[1](Kakeng)
Trojan Horse[1](tyhess)
White[1](Flameaxe)

Not Voting[2](pwayne66, White)

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At deadline, if there is no majority of voting players, no one will be lynched. I've explained this many times, but want to be perfectly clear: 6-5 with 1 not voting is a lynch, but 6-5-1 is not a lynch.

Also, no votes after 11:59 PM Friday EST will count, whether I check the thread right then or not. Feel free to continue discussion in twilight, but a "lynch" after then will not count.

You have a little over 48 hours from the time of this post until deadline.

No. It's 5.

At the start of this page it was:

Kakeng[3](theopor_COD, White, Trojan Horse)

White unvoted and then voted Pwayne whom White has since unvoted. That brings Kak down to 2.
MoS voted kak for 3.
I voted kak for 4.
You have now voted kak for 5.

And, I support the call for Kakeng to claim.

[vollkan]

@ Theo: I think Kakeng was joking with regards to the vanilla claim, based on the smiley.

[theopor_COD]

Tar's voting him aswell.

As far as the smiley goes I thought he was being serious meh who knows. We shall have to wait and see.

[theopor_COD]

Totally ignore that post I didn't realise White had unvoted.

[Mastermind of Sin]

By "you", I think he meant Tar, not you, since you were voting way before and haven't changed it.

[vollkan]

By "you", I think he meant Tar, not you, since you were voting way before and haven't changed it.

Yes. Bit of a mux-ip there.

[Mastermind of Sin]

By "you", I think he meant Tar, not you, since you were voting way before and haven't changed it.

Yes. Bit of a mux-ip there.

QFT

[Kakeng]

Yeah, I was joking. But, do you want me to claim?

[vollkan]

Yes.

[Kakeng]

Ok, I am the roleblocker.

[Oman]

The scum roleblocker? I know it says Godfather front page, but that doesn't mean it has to be a godfather in a closed setup.

[Kakeng]

The scum don't have a roleblocker do they? Any way, i win when all hostile factions to the town are eliminated.

[vollkan]

Unvote

This day is going rather badly...a claimed vanilla and now a claimed RB.

[tyhess]

WHY DID YOU ASK HIM TO CLAIM??? I thought we weren't going to do that?

[pwayne66]

I'm new to mafia and I honestly don't know what is going on now. This whole claiming thing seems bizarre and highly beneficial to scum. Scum are the only ones in a position to validate any of these claims. They learn a lot more than we do, b/c we learn jack shite. We don't know if kak or tar are scum liars or if they are telling the truth, but the scum know exactly. What am I missing?

[curiouskarmadog]

WHY DID YOU ASK HIM TO CLAIM??? I thought we weren't going to do that?

they were about ready to lynch him..would you rather they lynched the role blocker without knowing?

[vollkan]

WHY DID YOU ASK HIM TO CLAIM??? I thought we weren't going to do that?

*blink*
You would rather we lynched a power role?

Also, I didn't that the claiming thing got resolved. Most relevant are are:

right right, I agree that L-1 it is important to claim if you are a power role, just so the town doesnt lynch you, but the mafia will get you the following night...pretty screwed either way..but claiming at L-1 does help the town in the short run.

Secondly I, as a power role that might claim eventually, am not even sure if I wouldn't just claim townie. That's something I have debated back and forth. If I claim townie and live the cult might try to recruit me and fail. However if I claim townie we're left with my first point which is that I would be a bad recruit for the cult in the first place. If I claimed townie I wouldn't be a target for the mafia to kill therefore allowing me to keep my role alive and put it to good use.