Twilight Zone Mafia - game over

[Wake1]

VOTE: Klingoncelt

[Wake1]

Let's jut vote that Nacho guy.

Gut's got a feeling over it.

Or, it could just be the beans.

[Wake1]

VOTE: Nacho

It's going down, son. Shit just got real real.

[Wake1]

Oh boy!

A wagon!

VOTE: ellibirith

Hi guys, I've been drinking

I am so fucking glad sonic and macho are town holy shit

I wish I could have been scum with the varsoon hydra tho, hope they're town at least tho. I like varsoon he's really cool. Do ee know who his hydra buddy is?

Hey wake you're also great, are you town?

Hell yeah I am! And I've got pills, bitch.

Oh, I don't even know who's playing. Let's go check.

[Wake1]

Alright you sons of bitches. And bitches.

I'm going to light you up, Wake style, with these fascinating things called

questions

.

But first I need to sleep so I can wake up tomorrow and make sense over what the fuck I'm saying right now.

[Wake1]

Someone's awfully chatty...

[Wake1]

Uh, ok. I could hammer, but I shouldn't have that possibility AT PAGE FRICKIN' FOUR. MORONS!!!

[Wake1]

Alright then.

Intent to hammer.

Anything you wanna say, Elli?

[Wake1]

God it'd be funny if I actually hammered this stupid L-1 wagon.

[Wake1]

Okay, so here's the deal.

Don't listen to me.

Nothing I have to say is important. Don't even try to consider any of the ideas I bring to the table. Every time I post, turn your mind off and do something mundane, like watch TV or something. Don't read my thoughts, don't critically think them through and weigh them for yourselves and, whatever you do, don't stop going with the flow. Alright.

Now don't read this.

The wagon on Eli (can I call you Eli?) sucks balls. Not just regular balls. Black gorilla balls. If I felt like a mean bastard I could have hammered his ass, but thankfully for you all I got my cappuccino in time, getting my blood sugar back up to normal. Bringing him to L-1 was really stupid and someone not voting and NOT named Wake could have canned his ass into the next century. And this started with Nacho. I'm pretty sure he was just joking around initially with his 5 and 8. It snowballing into two votes on page four was crap, in that we could have offed a Town PR before page 6 even rolled out. What do I think about it? I think we need to bookmark that 10-player wagon and use it as a reference until end game. Ask your self: how rare is it for a player to get ten votes in a 21P game at page 4? No, really. Really. How rare is that? Rare, right? OK, so what could that mean? Well, I'm thinking at least two maybe three Scum are on that wagon. Not sure what the hell kind of setup we have, but I do know that when a Scum player has TEN FUCKING VOTES on him, it means his teammates SUCK. I can't talk about ongoing games. What I can say is that a Scum-wagon generally experiences more resistance than a Town one, because the Scum player being wagoned will have support from its team. Too early to know. Just keep that little bit in mind. Or don't!

I want answers from the people sheeping the nacho. And not primarily the couple right after him, but the ones primarily at the tail-end of that wagon. Don't know Eli at all, but it was kind of funny how he voted himself and then got run up to L1, and hasn't posted since 31. Is he even aware yet that he got run up to L1? Not only was it a joke wagon, we didn't even get the fucker to say anything pressure of L1! Lol. He hasn't posted since pg 2. But that fucker will have a heart attack when he gets to pg 5. But yeah, I don't know about him. Doubtful Scum would vote himself, right? Eli, if you're reading this man you gotta share something about what you think so far. If he needs a chill pill I'd be happy to prescribe him one. Or maybe get him a stiff drink.

Not sure what to think about Elbirn at the moment. For a split sec @29 it felt like flattery, or buddying. Can't talk about ongoing games. Can say I now have a knack for catching scum when they do this. At this point starting at 37, minus the existence of a FUCKING L1 WAGON @ pg 4[!], I'm not sure where to sink my teeth in and start tearing shit up. Points to pepto's reasonable 39, and a low groan to the nacho's 40. Methinks it's still gamestart shenaninganz, so waiting for things to get serious and game to heat up hotter than fat boy in Cambodia summer. Ah, fuck! Why are you voting Eli, Pepto? You just said something relatively smart in 39, so why do something stupid like 44? Not too excited about the Prolapsed so far. He jumped Eli's bones without rhyme or reason, and it seems it'll take more than hot sauce and rope to drag him off. Look at Drixx being all safe and restrained. Anyone know if that guy goes out and takes stances when Scum? Aaaand there's a stream from the nacho in 51-56. Hm. Some of you are just weird. At least we don't have to slosh through the Groot stuff like we did that other game. Spiffeh is too early to tell. Hope you guys don't actually think a player'd be given a Cop result Night 0. Did we even have a Night 0? For now I think it's not real. If he wants to say it's real, we can get serious and treat it like it's real.

Hey, YOU. Yeah, YOU!

Where do you stand, Klingon? Wagon on Eli sucks, Spiffeh and Elbirn I don't know, nacho started crap wagon, nine other fuckers ran with it, the nacho posts frequently this game, we really need to talk about that wagon. Not liking Edosurist's posts.

Remember, don't think about it!

Not liking wgeurt's [can I just call you yogurt?], and lizard ass-cheek's votes. I wonder whose alt the latter's is; it's not the Monkey.

HOLY FUCK I just realized TSO is in this game. Where is everyone? Come on!

Liking Nic's 84, 'cept the 'because wheeee' part in 104.

EDIT: My fucking computer just went down so lost the latter half of this fucking post. Great. Now I'm pissed off.

Writing up an evolving reads list now, and other things.

[Wake1]

0001

BlueMoonRising

—

Questioned reason for wagon, said intent to hammer, then voted Eli w/o reason. Slight scumread. Needs pressure.

DOMO

—

Nothing so far.

Drixx

—

Isn't saying much, in spite of his sentences, besides feeding into the 'start-game knowing Scum?' and expressing general wariness of that wagon.

Edgar Allan Pro

—

Nothing so far.

Edosurist

—

Votes for Eli and his latest post sucks. And his avy sucks. No really. Needs pressure, too.

Elbirn

—

Erratic play. Unsure his vote on pepto . . .

Ellibereth

—

Voted self and got ran up to L-1 by pg 4. Nothing game-related besides self-vote. Him being ran up SO quickly does slightly affect my initial read on him.

klingoncelt

—

Feels like solid Town-KC. Eyes did pause a moment on "I'll vote for Elli later in the week." Would like to know why.

Lizard_Buttock

—

By "we're" does she imply she's hydra, or the other sheepers? She needs to post more.

massive

—

So what's the exact reason you're voting Elbirn, in like one sentence?

Nachomamma8

—

Initiated wagon on Eli. Unsure if accident or planned to keep it going to L-1. Methinks it's just shenanigans. Need to sort out.

NicCage

—

Asked some reasonable questions. Didn't like his apathy over Eli wagon. Thinks I was serious about hammering.

Peptobislawl

—

Didn't like how he said he wouldn't unvote Eli until nacho stopped threatening to lynch him. Doubtful a presumed Townie be afraid of rope.

Prolapsed Brain

—

Only worthwhile posts is vote on Eli and saying LB's post is wrong on so many levels. Well, please elaborate, or something.

Spiffeh

—

I got a good feeling about Spiffeh. Will watch to see if he says something stupid or Scummy. His 86 and 102 resonate.

T S O

—

Nothing so far.

theslimer3

—

Nothing so far.

wake88

—

Town ass motherfucker. Loves animals, too.

wgeurts

—

Liking some of Yogurt's scrunched and mangled posts. Want to know more what he thinks about Eli/L-1/pg4.

Xiao Xiao Buns

—

Only game-related stuff is naked vote on Eli. Post more please.

Xtoxm

—

Nothing so far.

Notes

Planning to keep this reads list short and updated frequently.

Would be willing to pressure-vote BMR, nacho, drixx, pepto, klingon, or LB.

The speed-wagon on Eli should be scrutinized.

[Wake1]

I'm not unvoting, however, especially considering Elli's pretty much given up.

Has he?

[Wake1]

I misread the vote count. I though someone said it was l 1. I really need a reason to vote someone that has a cop guilty on them?

Does he?

[Wake1]

That's the word on the street

And...

...you just believe it?

If you're Town, I expect better. Gotta have critical thinking.

I mean Elli voted for himself and hasn't posted since. That looks like giving up to me.

Or, he hasn't logged back in yet. He may be working, no?

You don't think he voted for himself out of humor? His vote on himself came far before he reached L-1.

[Wake1]

Okay, so here's the deal.

Don't listen to me.

Nothing I have to say is important. Don't even try to consider any of the ideas I bring to the table. Every time I post, turn your mind off and do something mundane, like watch TV or something. Don't read my thoughts, don't critically think them through and weigh them for yourselves and, whatever you do, don't stop going with the flow. Alright.

Now don't read this.

Is this some kind of reaction test?

As for why the wagon sucks, you're overreacting. I don't think anybody took it seriously but you, apparently. As Nic said, you even stated intent, so I don't know why you seem to be freaking out about this.

If town Wake can state intent to hammer, does that not mean that a predominantly town wagon can push someone to L-1 for the lulz in RVS? I think so.

If you want an answer, my answer is I did it because it seemed fun. I don't actually think Nacho had a legitimate report.

There's my response to your reaction test.

Also, if my avatar is impeding on your ability to play, I'd change it for the course of the game.

No reaction test. Reverse psychology to get people to listen. Now stop listening to me.

I do think someone being run to L-1 at page four is noteworthy. Do recall, when I stated intent, the posts of mine directly preceding and proceeding it. OK, so you don't think his report is legit. For the record, neither do I. If you'd change your avatar for this game only, that'd be nice of you.

[Wake1]

Scattershot 0001

BlueMoonRising

———

What's YOUR reason for voting Eli?

DOMO

———

Where are you?

Drixx

———

Do not think you can avoid taking stances and escape rope at the same time.

Edgar Allan Pro

———

I like much of your thoughts. I'm giving Nacho precious time to recant.

Edosurist

———

How do you read Eli, Nacho, and pepto?

Elbirn

———

What else does sober-You think at the moment?

Ellibereth

———

Is it true you have given up, as LB says?

klingoncelt

———

Stand up with me, and share your blooming thoughts. Day 1 is the time to rise.

Lizard_Buttock

———

Do you know of any meta regarding these players?

massive

———

Please engage.

Nachomamma8

———

Do you stand by your report being serious?

NicCage

———

Did you think the intent was serious?

Peptobislawl

———

You sound rather afraid of rope. At least for a moment. IF you want my trust, I DO accept cookies.

Prolapsed Brain

———

Why did you vote Eli? Please explain 89.

Spiffeh

———

Please share your reads on Drixx and pepto, so I can compare.

T S O

———

Come on! Don't you dare get replaced out!

theslimer3

———

Engage please.

wgeurts

———

Atm, who are your top 3 scumspects and why?

Xiao Xiao Buns

———

All you cast is a naked vote. Who is your hydra partner?

Xotxm

———

Need you and the others to start contributing. Be alive. Something.

[Wake1]

Drixx

———•

What exactly do you think about Nacho's claim of an investigative result?

———•

Knowing you did not vote, what are your thoughts about the Eli wagon rush?

———•

Does the lack of resistance influence your thoughts on his alignment at all, if even slightly?

———•

I want to see you actually take a stance, or give thoughts, something. You are here. Takes minutes.

———•

If you have reads, if even a few, it'd be a step in the right direction.

———•

Which five players, from least to greatest, needs more pressure in your opinion?

[Wake1]

Tuesday just seems like a weird day to do anything

Why even have a link in your sig that I can't view

What are you talking about?

Instead of just standing there making useless posts about oatmeal and Tuesdays why not actually, you know, engage.

Even if all you do is argue against me, at least it's something. I want to flesh out your stances, and check your consistency.

[Wake1]

You know me far too well my dear.

I also know your opinions matter, now.

[Wake1]

Whatever you do, don't thoroughly read through my ISO or ponder over the points I present. Don't even peek at it.

Spoiler: Reads 0001

0001

BlueMoonRising

—

Questioned reason for wagon, said intent to hammer, then voted Eli w/o reason. Slight scumread. Needs pressure.

DOMO

—

Nothing so far.

Drixx

—

Isn't saying much, in spite of his sentences, besides feeding into the 'start-game knowing Scum?' and expressing general wariness of that wagon.

Edgar Allan Pro

—

Nothing so far.

Edosurist

—

Votes for Eli and his latest post sucks. And his avy sucks. No really. Needs pressure, too.

Elbirn

—

Erratic play. Unsure his vote on pepto . . .

Ellibereth

—

Voted self and got ran up to L-1 by pg 4. Nothing game-related besides self-vote. Him being ran up SO quickly does slightly affect my initial read on him.

klingoncelt

—

Feels like solid Town-KC. Eyes did pause a moment on "I'll vote for Elli later in the week." Would like to know why.

Lizard_Buttock

—

By "we're" does she imply she's hydra, or the other sheepers? She needs to post more.

massive

—

So what's the exact reason you're voting Elbirn, in like one sentence?

Nachomamma8

—

Initiated wagon on Eli. Unsure if accident or planned to keep it going to L-1. Methinks it's just shenanigans. Need to sort out.

NicCage

—

Asked some reasonable questions. Didn't like his apathy over Eli wagon. Thinks I was serious about hammering.

Peptobislawl

—

Didn't like how he said he wouldn't unvote Eli until nacho stopped threatening to lynch him. Doubtful a presumed Townie be afraid of rope.

Prolapsed Brain

—

Only worthwhile posts is vote on Eli and saying LB's post is wrong on so many levels. Well, please elaborate, or something.

Spiffeh

—

I got a good feeling about Spiffeh. Will watch to see if he says something stupid or Scummy. His 86 and 102 resonate.

T S O

—

Nothing so far.

theslimer3

—

Nothing so far.

wake88

—

Town ass motherfucker. Loves animals, too.

wgeurts

—

Liking some of Yogurt's scrunched and mangled posts. Want to know more what he thinks about Eli/L-1/pg4.

Xiao Xiao Buns

—

Only game-related stuff is naked vote on Eli. Post more please.

Xtoxm

—

Nothing so far.

Notes

Planning to keep this reads list short and updated frequently.

Would be willing to pressure-vote BMR, nacho, drixx, pepto, klingon, or LB.

The speed-wagon on Eli should be scrutinized.

Spoiler: Scattershot 0001

Scattershot 0001

BlueMoonRising

———

What's YOUR reason for voting Eli?

DOMO

———

Where are you?

Drixx

———

Do not think you can avoid taking stances and escape rope at the same time.

Edgar Allan Pro

———

I like much of your thoughts. I'm giving Nacho precious time to recant.

Edosurist

———

How do you read Eli, Nacho, and pepto?

Elbirn

———

What else does sober-You think at the moment?

Ellibereth

———

Is it true you have given up, as LB says?

klingoncelt

———

Stand up with me, and share your blooming thoughts. Day 1 is the time to rise.

Lizard_Buttock

———

Do you know of any meta regarding these players?

massive

———

Please engage.

Nachomamma8

———

Do you stand by your report being serious?

NicCage

———

Did you think the intent was serious?

Peptobislawl

———

You sound rather afraid of rope. At least for a moment. IF you want my trust, I DO accept cookies.

Prolapsed Brain

———

Why did you vote Eli? Please explain 89.

Spiffeh

———

Please share your reads on Drixx and pepto, so I can compare.

T S O

———

Come on! Don't you dare get replaced out!

theslimer3

———

Engage please.

wgeurts

———

Atm, who are your top 3 scumspects and why?

Xiao Xiao Buns

———

All you cast is a naked vote. Who is your hydra partner?

Xotxm

———

Need you and the others to start contributing. Be alive. Something.

Spoiler: Volley: Drixx 0001

Drixx

———•

What exactly do you think about Nacho's claim of an investigative result?

———•

Knowing you did not vote, what are your thoughts about the Eli wagon rush?

———•

Does the lack of resistance influence your thoughts on his alignment at all, if even slightly?

———•

I want to see you actually take a stance, or give thoughts, something. You are here. Takes minutes.

———•

If you have reads, if even a few, it'd be a step in the right direction.

———•

Which five players, from least to greatest, needs more pressure in your opinion?

I think I'll start using my

Eyes

. Something new that got lost when my laptop went down. I've got quite a few special eyes, and they see much. Will reread thread tomorrow.

[Wake1]

Go take a long walk off a short pier Wake, after you sit on a cactus and start spinning. I don't recall anyone else questioning the sanity of the bullshit this game started with.

And maybe you're manic and just doing forum mafia and nothing else, but I do other things with my time too. I play DnD on Sunday and Tuesday evenings (not even done for another couple hours). It's over the top bullshit to claim someone isn't posting or taking stances when the person has posted within the prior few hours

AND

questioned the retard-o-train that was going on.

So step off. I don't have patience for that kind of shit in this game.

klingoncelt

|

Spiffeh

|

massive

How are you reading this response?

[Wake1]

Wake resists the wagon early-on and he even goes on to voting nacho. Shows he's fine with hammering though later so the resistance is minor.

Show where.

[Wake1]

So, yeah, wgeurts is being dishonest. Says I opposed the wagon but stated intent to hammer, when, if he read the damn posts right before and after he'd know I thought it was a crap wagon and was saying so just for shits and giggles. Question is why he keeps peddling his junk?

Farside, I'll be V/LA until Thursday morning.

[Wake1]

Let's recap.

Scattershot 0001

BlueMoonRising

———

What's YOUR reason for voting Eli?

170: Doesn't really answer. Checked ISO. I'm presuming he's voting b/c of 'cop guilty.' Makes me wonder if he blindly trusts Nacho.

DOMO

———

Where are you?

He's been sighted.

Drixx

———

Do not think you can avoid taking stances and escape rope at the same time.

157: Responds poorly, but the real question is if that has any bearing on alignment. May be more susceptible to pressure than others, so I'll pursue that later.

Edgar Allan Pro

———

I like much of your thoughts. I'm giving Nacho precious time to recant.

Would like to know the other head.

Edosurist

———

How do you read Eli, Nacho, and pepto?

Made an effort to respond in295. I'd like to go more in-depth with him on this bit in the future.

Elbirn

———

What else does sober-You think at the moment?

169 The nacho and Elli wagons are stupid. Nacho is Town. Elli can be sorted later.

Ellibereth

———

Is it true you have given up, as LB says?

Doesn't seem so.

klingoncelt

———

Stand up with me, and share your blooming thoughts. Day 1 is the time to rise.

Shares some stuff. Just b/c Day 1 doesn't mean it can't be fully utilized.

Lizard_Buttock

———

Do you know of any meta regarding these players?

Liking her 179.

massive

———

Please engage.

Engages a little more.

Nachomamma8

———

Do you stand by your report being serious?

I'm assuming yes?

NicCage

———

Did you think the intent was serious?

156: Says he felt the intent was semi-serious. I'm saying it wasn't, because it wasn't. [Bonus: I use the colors for flair. ]

Peptobislawl

———

You sound rather afraid of rope. At least for a moment. IF you want my trust, I DO accept cookies.

Mixed feelings on 140, which sort of responds to this statement.

Prolapsed Brain

———

Why did you vote Eli? Please explain 89.

171: Concerned how LB voted for Eli w/o caring if the wagon was at L-1 or not. However, didn't explain vote on Eli... Checked ISO. No reason ever posted.

Spiffeh

———

Please share your reads on Drixx and pepto, so I can compare.

Torn a bit, because I feel he's Town b/c ongoing, but didn't really share his reads in 213. Yes, you felt Drixx's 157 was off and you're voting pepto... but I wanted to know what your current reads of them are, when I asked.

T S O

———

Come on! Don't you dare get replaced out!

He's been sighted, too.

theslimer3

———

Engage please.

He is.

wgeurts

———

Atm, who are your top 3 scumspects and why?

Don't think this got a response?

Xiao Xiao Buns

———

All you cast is a naked vote. Who is your hydra partner?

Liking 359. Feel like I need to comb through his ISO. Not interested in lynching today.

Xotxm

———

Need you and the others to start contributing. Be alive. Something.

181: Alive.

Go take a long walk off a short pier Wake, after you sit on a cactus and start spinning. I don't recall anyone else questioning the sanity of the bullshit this game started with.

And maybe you're manic and just doing forum mafia and nothing else, but I do other things with my time too. I play DnD on Sunday and Tuesday evenings (not even done for another couple hours). It's over the top bullshit to claim someone isn't posting or taking stances when the person has posted within the prior few hours

AND

questioned the retard-o-train that was going on.

So step off. I don't have patience for that kind of shit in this game.

klingoncelt

|

Spiffeh

|

massive

How are you reading this response?

klingoncelt made an effort to respond to the question. Not seeing anything from Spiffeh or massive.

If you wanna talk about it, don't drag your feet.

0002

BlueMoonRising

—

Questioned reason for wagon, said intent to hammer, then voted Eli w/o reason. Apparently believes Nacho's claimed result. Game is Bastard. In Bastard game, mod can lie to people. Questions in 265 felt off, and seems to be caught up to speed about Bastardry in 268. What I dislike is how he started going after Eli early on and blindly believed Nacho yet FoS'd him for not pushing it harder. Apparently it was hard enough for him to go down on. Sorry, had to. Like he went gung-ho, slammed the brakes, and now diligently going over it. OK so maybe he doesn't understand it's Bastard, based on 278, 288. Now he's going back to Eli. So is he really trying to sort stuff out or just going with it? His 372 I don't like because it feels wishy-washy and inconsistent; he's going back and forth between blindly voting Eli and realizing it's Bastard and that maybe Nacho is Town but lied to by mod. Imo he shouldn't vote someone Day 1 based on results in a Bastard game that may or may not be accurate, and if he's town he should try to be consistent as well. Sheeping DOMO in 379 felt like a total gear shift. Him saying he's 'definitely' not in favor of a quick-lynch doesn't jive with him having actually went for a quick-lynch. He does seem to get that it's Bastard now. I don't know if he's Scum getting wishy-washy or is a legitimately confused Townie.

In light of this, Slight Scumread. Would be willing to pressure-vote.

DOMO

—

Not liking 334, because it's a faulty assumption, because when he said this he may also not have been up to speed on the fact that this is Bastard. Thinks Nacho is Town in 357 and likes Drixx's 355. I do feel a few Townvibes because it feels like he's actually trying to figure out the game and wanting to be careful and not do stupid crap in haste. 373 reinforces this a little... but it doesn't mean much. Him voting BMR and then LB makes me wonder what he's getting at; would like to know why exactly he shifted, and whether or not he feels like lynching them over similar reasons. He IS taking stances, but it feels somewhat overconfident, and THAT I do not know is alignment-indicative or not.

At this moment I slightly feel he's Town. Currently would not be willing to lynch today. Would like to have some actual reads from him.

Drixx

—

Feels kinda guarded. Him responding poorly doesn't bother me. What bothers me is him ignoring 159. If you can post five times after I ask you those questions, why do you feel the need to be above inquiry? You ask people to engage thinking mode while at the same time avoiding questions directed towards you. If anything, it's not going to make me reconsider lighting a fire under your ass with more questions. I don't particularly like when players react in evasive or defensive ways when it comes to real questions. And you say more information is better, too... Can you please answer me?

Right now I have you Leaning Scum pending you stop avoiding me and start engaging.

Edgar Allan Pro

—

Two heads. Varsoon and '?'. I wonder if he would literally try to ignore me... Hm. He echoes my sentiment on Eli's wagon. We'll be closing on a book deal, too, titled 'Eli's Wagon.' Lynching Nacho would yield a lot of information, and I'd like to see it happen, but I don't think we have enough votes. What should happen is him being pressured to spell out in clear detail exactly what his role PM says without quoting it. What'd I'd like from you is to sign your posts, so we know who's who. Is your 142 Varsoon's? I'm Townreading you a bit because you remind me of me, because you're actually engaging, tearing into shit, and actually contributing. Do hate Hydras, though, because confusing. Could you give us some practical reads, and which peeps you wanna lynch or leave? You and Drixx should post more, especially you because you're two people. Don't think the capslock thing with LB is worth discussing, but I do believe LB's hop itself onto Eli was sketchy.

I have you down as between slight Townread and Townread. Multi-headed posting confuses me, and in the back of my mind I am a little wary, but am definitely not willing to lynch Day 1.

Edosurist

—

Didn't like the hop on Eli's wagon. I've seen players do really stupid things, so I can see some dumbass hammering on page 4 just because. Been waiting for that articulation over peptobislawl. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt over his defense of me: in no way will it influence my read of him. Did like 295. His latest five posts aren't remarkable. Need more from him; that reads list would be a good start.

Somewhere between null and slightly Town. Try to engage more.

Elbirn

—

Kinda noticing a pattern where all three of his votes have absolutely no reason attached to them... Much of his play is kind of odd. Aloof. I'd like to see him commit... or perhaps I should lance him. What I would like to know is if this kind of behavior this game has any bearing on his alignment.

I have Elbirn as a slight Scumread because all of his votes are naked. Subject to change pending some reasoning and some reads.

Ellibereth

—

'Guilty' results in Bastard game notwithstanding, him getting run up to L-1 by page four makes me feel he is Town, because if he were Scum they'd definitely be trying to stop it. I suspect some Scum were on it and, if we're in multi-ball, that could also be a factor. Usually it's a bitch Day 1 to get a Scum player to L-1 by page 4, let alone in a 21P game. More than some of his posts aren't that heavy, but are frequent. He did raise a valid point in 344 about LB. Not so sure I liked his 345, though. Imho, lurking is more anti-Town than suspicious. Not like 419, either. Brings back memories of a game where I as Town dealt with Scum Regfan... iceninja... and havingfitz. Yeah. Lot of his posts are pretty short and seem to fixate on Sonic. If you could make yourself useful and posts reads and engage people that'd be, like, awesome.

Not particularly impressed with him, but am wary he may be Town because insane wagon by pg 4. Between null and slight Town atm.

klingoncelt

—

Up to 223 she's been refraining from engaging. What I picked up on—and I find a little disconcerting—is KC suggesting PB do some real scumhunting... though she hasn't really done any herself. Does anyone else notice this? Haven't gotten that reads list yet, and in spite of calling TSO Scum she called Edo Scum and voted him later. Then again that bit of strangeness might be due to the fact that TSO is pretty good as Scum. If I'm understanding 325

and 395, you think Elli is Town and Edos is Scum? I feel like you're pretty reserved this game, and I can't fucking tell if that makes you Town or Scum, so I think I need to

aggressively

hold your feet to the fire so I can tell what you are this game.

Right now I can't tell what she is, so absolutely null. Very calm, neutral, reserved play... which makes me feel really paranoid.

Lizard_Buttock

—

Her vote on Elli sucked, pure and simple. However, I think she's Town, as of 179, and am not in favor of her lynch Day 1. She wisened up with Elli, answered my question, and even provided some decent reads. Her 198 I feel is another good post. Reading up to 305 I still feel she's Town and sincere. She's certainly behaving like a Townie... but I'm a far better than you think, so in the back of my mind I question to myself if she is Scum trying to appear Town by running that 'ideological Town gauntlet' to appease the masses. When I find myself agreeing with more than 50% of what some other player is saying, I begin to worry a little. Oh, fuck. Really? I don't like 454. "It's just my first post that was Scummy." I feel paranoid over here now, because she seems intrinsically aware of what she's doing that may or may not be Scummy, which tells me she is trying to control herself when it comes to Scummy things, or is at least aware of it to some degree. I don't particularly like how, in that post, she seems concisely fixated on the votes on her, too.

In spite of her first post, she then had a run of good posts, and then hit the proverbial speed-bump in her latest few. I have her between null and slightly Scum, and I need her to really clarify what she's doing, because I'm not liking it.

massive

—

Does he normally lurk like this? Or, for that matter, intentionally ignore people asking him stuff? Glancing at his posts, he does seem to provide reason for his votes, unlike some. If 286 is accurate, which kinda doubt, that'd be a bit odd. Would be nice if massive could do stuff Day 1.

Hasn't sad much, or done much, or responded to much of my posts, so muchly null.

Nachomamma8

—

It's Bastard, so his claimed result is automatically suspect. The result is. The short, rapid-fire posts are annoying, but inconclusive. I'd like to see a reads list and a succinct explanation of which three people you want to lynch, and the three you won't. A crystallized post that sums up where exactly you stand in this game would be awesome.

Like massive, definitely null. I'm getting tired, and reading through all the really short posts gets exhausting.

NicCage

—

Seems pretty mellow. His vote and unvote of Pepto in three posts is 'eh.' Could pry into it, but I'm only mildly curious. [NO, FUCKER, TELL ME WHY OR DIE!!! ] He's really passive. Is that the norm for him? Would like him to step into the fray more while keeping his calm demeanor. Whatever he decides to do, there's no way I'm willing to lynch him Day 1, pending he takes some extreme turn for the obscene. On his last post, though, there's also the chance that Nacho is ballsy Scum lying his ass off. For now we should keep him around; I do caution that we keep that possibility in mind, too.

As for you, I'm slightly Town-reading you. Engage more, man. Get into it.

Peptobislawl

—

The more I think about it, the more I don't want him lynched Day 1. He's engaging, not just going with the flow, and isn't trying to blend in or not be noticed. Townies should be selfless, though. Scum has more good reason to fear rope than Town, b/c numbers. Methinks he may be a Townie who has foot-in-mouth disorder, in that he keeps drawing attention to himself by talking about himself. He isn't afraid to vote players like Edgar Allen Pro, either. Gut tells me Town, but I need to see more: reads list is a must.

Leaning Town for now. Not lynchable Day 1. Nope. Seeing tell-tale Town-signs in his posts.

Prolapsed Brain

—

That naked vote. Not much content, either. Come on man.

Not thinking he's Town, so between Null and very slight Scum. He can engage, respond, and play, so he shouldn't have to have other people ask him to do it.

Spiffeh

—

So either he really is Town, or is Scum saying a lot of the right things. Either way, we're not lynching him Day 1. If DOMO's posts feel fake to you, that is reason to pressure him. What I really want from you right now is a reads list. Show me where you stand. Give me an overview of what you think.

Leaning Town. We're not lynching him today. If there's a protective role out there and no other PR has claimed, please protect Spiffeh, okay?

T S O

—

Two posts. ISP problems. Fine.

*Yawn*

theslimer3

—

Two posts, too, but no ISP problems. Gotta feeling he'll be replaced...

*Sigh*

wake88

—

Town ass motherfucker. I eat dragon wings for breakfast, yo. When I shave my head and step outside, the gleam of my dome catches the sun and, if you must know, I can reflect concentrated sunlight at people, and make plants GROW faster!

wgeurts

—

His point was incorrect, but that doesn't mean he's Scum. Like others listed he's engaging, asking questions, and doing stuff. Would like him to explain his stance on Pepto more, and a simple reads list would be helpful. Let's go over Peptobislawl.

Tentatively reading him as slightly Town.

Xiao Xiao Buns

—

I liked his 359. His last five or so posts have been more aggressive and engaging, so that's a good sign, too. Would like to know who the other head is, or at least when the MS head isn't posting, so as to differentiate.

Step it up, and it'll be good. You're down as slightly Town in my book. You're not getting lynched today either.

Xtoxm

—

Ha! Even after reading the first eight posts, I could sense this was a Town-ish player who is serious about winning. Holy... I like 338. He seems to share my cautious trait. too. Feels like he's genuinely thinking things through. Would like to lock onto him Day 1 and get a better sense of what his alignment is, though, to be more sure.

Leaning Town. Not a Day 1 lynch, either. Up there with Spiffeh for now.

Notes

Planning to keep this reads list relatively short and updated occasionally.

This being Bastard, UNVOTE: Nachomamma88

Spoiler: Reads 0001

0001

BlueMoonRising

—

Questioned reason for wagon, said intent to hammer, then voted Eli w/o reason. Slight scumread. Needs pressure.

DOMO

—

Nothing so far.

Drixx

—

Isn't saying much, in spite of his sentences, besides feeding into the 'start-game knowing Scum?' and expressing general wariness of that wagon.

Edgar Allan Pro

—

Nothing so far.

Edosurist

—

Votes for Eli and his latest post sucks. And his avy sucks. No really. Needs pressure, too.

Elbirn

—

Erratic play. Unsure his vote on pepto . . .

Ellibereth

—

Voted self and got ran up to L-1 by pg 4. Nothing game-related besides self-vote. Him being ran up SO quickly does slightly affect my initial read on him.

klingoncelt

—

Feels like solid Town-KC. Eyes did pause a moment on "I'll vote for Elli later in the week." Would like to know why.

Lizard_Buttock

—

By "we're" does she imply she's hydra, or the other sheepers? She needs to post more.

massive

—

So what's the exact reason you're voting Elbirn, in like one sentence?

Nachomamma8

—

Initiated wagon on Eli. Unsure if accident or planned to keep it going to L-1. Methinks it's just shenanigans. Need to sort out.

NicCage

—

Asked some reasonable questions. Didn't like his apathy over Eli wagon. Thinks I was serious about hammering.

Peptobislawl

—

Didn't like how he said he wouldn't unvote Eli until nacho stopped threatening to lynch him. Doubtful a presumed Townie be afraid of rope.

Prolapsed Brain

—

Only worthwhile posts is vote on Eli and saying LB's post is wrong on so many levels. Well, please elaborate, or something.

Spiffeh

—

I got a good feeling about Spiffeh. Will watch to see if he says something stupid or Scummy. His 86 and 102 resonate.

T S O

—

Nothing so far.

theslimer3

—

Nothing so far.

wake88

—

Town ass motherfucker. Loves animals, too.

wgeurts

—

Liking some of Yogurt's scrunched and mangled posts. Want to know more what he thinks about Eli/L-1/pg4.

Xiao Xiao Buns

—

Only game-related stuff is naked vote on Eli. Post more please.

Xtoxm

—

Nothing so far.

Notes

Planning to keep this reads list relatively brief and updated occasionally.

The speed-wagon on Eli should be scrutinized.

Spoiler: Scattershot 0001

Scattershot 0001

BlueMoonRising

———

What's YOUR reason for voting Eli?

DOMO

———

Where are you?

Drixx

———

Do not think you can avoid taking stances and escape rope at the same time.

Edgar Allan Pro

———

I like much of your thoughts. I'm giving Nacho precious time to recant.

Edosurist

———

How do you read Eli, Nacho, and pepto?

Elbirn

———

What else does sober-You think at the moment?

Ellibereth

———

Is it true you have given up, as LB says?

klingoncelt

———

Stand up with me, and share your blooming thoughts. Day 1 is the time to rise.

Lizard_Buttock

———

Do you know of any meta regarding these players?

massive

———

Please engage.

Nachomamma8

———

Do you stand by your report being serious?

NicCage

———

Did you think the intent was serious?

Peptobislawl

———

You sound rather afraid of rope. At least for a moment. IF you want my trust, I DO accept cookies.

Prolapsed Brain

———

Why did you vote Eli? Please explain 89.

Spiffeh

———

Please share your reads on Drixx and pepto, so I can compare.

T S O

———

Come on! Don't you dare get replaced out!

theslimer3

———

Engage please.

wgeurts

———

Atm, who are your top 3 scumspects and why?

Xiao Xiao Buns

———

All you cast is a naked vote. Who is your hydra partner?

Xotxm

———

Need you and the others to start contributing. Be alive. Something.

Spoiler: Volley: Drixx 0001

Drixx

———•

What exactly do you think about Nacho's claim of an investigative result?

———•

Knowing you did not vote, what are your thoughts about the Eli wagon rush?

———•

Does the lack of resistance influence your thoughts on his alignment at all, if even slightly?

———•

I want to see you actually take a stance, or give thoughts, something. You are here. Takes minutes.

———•

If you have reads, if even a few, it'd be a step in the right direction.

———•

Which five players, from least to greatest, needs more pressure in your opinion?

[Wake1]

[Klingoncelt]———•

Not so sure I like being Townread so easily by you. Makes me paranoid.

[Drixx]———•

You continuously avoid me, and when you respond, you respond defensively and angrily. That's blood in the water.

[Klingoncelt]———•

If Xiao is Scum Rolecop, do you presume he used it Night 0?

[Xotxm]———•

You liked my other post, but you didn't respond to any part of it. That doesn't help me at all.

[Spiffeh]———•

How do you read NicCage, Klingon, and XXB?

[Klingoncelt]———•

Would you be naturally opposed to policy-lynching the troll?

[Xiao Xiao Buns]———•

What are you doing?

[Elbirn]———•

Why exactly is DOMO Town, and where's your response to 457?

[Wake1]

I'll keep that in mind next game.

DOMO, where do you stand this game? Which three do you think should be lynched today and why?

Who feels like idiot Town, and which Scum do you think may be in your blindspot? I'm not interested in lynching Spiffeh or Xotxm today; I'm thinking Edosurist is Town.

[Wake1]

1)

Wake, why are you asking Klingon if she wants to policy lynch herself?

2)

Second, why are you entertaining a night 0 existing?

3)

Why aren't you wanting to lynch Klingon for basically implying one large scumteam?

4)

I know you like the old ladies but Klingon's scum darling.

5)

I am getting scum lynched Wake.

6)

What are your reads?

- Chip

1)

Not her. You.

2)

801: KC mentioned you being a Mafia Role Cop, and that this was multiball. If that is true, then I wonder if she assumes said Role Cop used its ability Night 0.

3)

Did she?

4)

Based on what?

5)

Except, if you're Town, I hope you're not being a reckless idiot who assumes far too much.

6)

Read over 457. I don't have the time to make a new one right now.

[Wake1]

My town pile for today would be... drixx, lizard, xiao, spiff, pepto and nacho. I'm definitely not lynching one of those, barring someone remarkable.

I don't understand why Xotxm isn't on your list, or why you're definitely not willing to lynch Drixx, Xiao, Pepto, or Nacho.

[Wake1]

I feel he is Town, from what I've read of him up to 457, and some after that. What I am doing is comparing my reads to yours, and trying to find out where our differences are and why. No one said anything about expecting you to Townread him; I am wondering though why he isn't one of yours like he is mine. As for Nacho, his lynch would give us a lot of information; the main difference I think you and I have on this is that though I'm not demanding we lynch Nacho today, I'm not absolutely opposed to the idea either. What I do question is how you're saying there's absolutely zero reason to lynch Nacho in spite of his result claim. I daresay it feels a bit soft. Are you also opposed to pressuring him further with votes? I'd also like you to spell out in clear detail why you find it 'super strange' that I would question your Townread on him. Is it that you in general don't like being questioned, or something else? Xiao's anti-Town, but I don't know him so cannot make meta-reads on him. Pepto gave me some Townvibes; it does feel, in a way, like you're overlooking how Drixx is avoiding my questions and reacting defensively. Hope I can find someone who actually wants to touch on that each with me face-to-face. Dunno why everyone has to be so shy.

Why BMR, klingon, and Elbirn?

[Wake1]

Klingon's scum.

And I would have you tell me why.

[Wake1]

Single ball slip, misrepresentations, highlighted by me and domo, content not matching words.

You could check any of the prior times cases against her have been stated.

Bullet point - Thoughts on major wagons?

Who do

you

want lynched?

You don't have me sold on her slipping that it was singleball, and you need to quote the exact sentences where she's misrepresenting you, because she's saying you're doing the exact same thing. How am I supposed to make any sense of this crap when you and others keep muddying the waters? What you should do is consolidate everything into one single, simple post. You post more than everyone else here, so believe you me you can take a few minutes to type in response to me exactly what your thoughts are. Don't run your mouth and then clam up when I approach you face-to-face. Pointing your finger elsewhere for me to look instead of taking your time to talk to me is going to do nothing but piss me off and make me think even less of you for your behavior this game.

I don't know exactly

who

should be lynched today. I do know who needs to talk more, and need to have their feet put to the fire. NicCage, BMR, massive, Drixx, TSO, ZZZX, Edgar. I am NOT comfortable with these players skating by unquestioned, unchallenged. Wouldn't cry if Drixx was lynched, and don't feel the NicCage or massive have really done anything that makes them unworthy of rope Day 1. Aren't you the least bit curious pressuring these guys, too? I don't get the feeling KC is Town. You may not know this, but I brought her and some others into Mafia. At this moment she is not going to be lynched today, because I will not allow it. Same with Spiffeh. I like Xtoxm's posts, but there's only 17 of them. Feels like Drixx wants to stab me with a knife in response to any sort of questions. I'm having difficulty making sense of Ellibereth and Lizard_Buttocks.

[Wake1]

Also if this goes off and XXB is town you're as good as lynched you know.

Oh? According to

whom

?

Rather convenient of you to say, especially when you apparently ignore the fact that the one claiming to Dayvig XXB could be Town.

Do you honestly think if a player dayvig's a player who flips Town, the one making the shot deserves to be lynched?

[Wake1]

I don't know why she thought singleball. It's way too early to tell. In a Bastard game it could be anything.

Regardless based on my experiences with her in the past she's level-headed, serious. Feels confident and solid. Feels like Town-KC to me.

Do you two have any meta experience with her?

[Wake1]

On limited access until Sunday 9/13/15. About to do my first class here, work and see the doctor tomorrow, class on Thurs, and then work and study Fri and Sat. Will decide on what to do with this game based on how real life is going. Unable to put much brain juice towards the game right now b/c studying like a madman.

[Wake1]

I like Spiffeh's point on how no Cop claim has happened. What I don't like is how he asks if DayCop is Normal, when he should know by now that this is a Bastard game, so it looks like he's asking east questions to make himself look Townish. Does anyone know if Spiffeh asks questions like that when he's Scum? I'd also like you Spiffeh to share what you envision Nacho doing that'd make it fairly obvious that he isn't Scum, especially with it being Day 1 and all.

What're your current thoughts on the PB wagon?

Edgar I like your content and all, but you're making me feel nervous when you hint I want lurkers killed, when I actually said I wanted them pressured more. If you could clear that up, that'd be good.

[Wake1]

Starting from pg 45.

The whole Xiao vs KC bit has me pissed off, because Xiao reads as obnoxious fucking Town and KC reminds me of her past Town self. Hey, here's a thought. Instead of all the noise and murkiness being stirred up by you two, instead you guys, you know, keep it fucking short. Long story short we don't know if this game is multiball or not. KEEP the possibilities in the back of your mind, and DON'T rush to conclusions this game. I don't know what we're looking at, but I'm not quick to assume the game's single or multi ball. Now when it comes to KC or Xiao hinting it's one or the other: don't do that. Making the

mistake

of assuming one or the other

doesn't

have any bearing on your alignment. You can make mistakes in logic while being Town too you know. I'd sooner see that whole fucking issue go away because it's been nothing but a distraction and a colossal waste of time. I'll give them both the benefit of the doubt, because regardless of how annoying both of them have been to some degree I'm NOT going to break one of their necks over it.

As for the possibilities, in a 21P bastard, I'm thinking

this

:

1)

Two 3P scum teams

2)

One 4P scum team

3)

One 4P scum team & a SK

Someone has to say it.

And I'll tell you lot something else. Don't you

dare

fucking claim anything unless you're L1 and someone's got intent to hammer you. Too many fucking times in these games do I see the Doc then the Cop then the JoaT then the Bodyguard claim all in the spanse of Day 1, and then people whine and bitch late-game why Town's sucking. Yeah. Here's just a pre-emptive 'STFU' to anyone here even thinking of it. We need Mastin to write an article on this, too.

I want to know

exactly

why ZZZX is still voting Ellibereth.

Hey, you know what bothers me? This.

VOTE: Prolapsed Brain
Sorry to keep doing this, but this is essentially a prodge.

OK, well why motherfucker? If you're going to vote someone, you had

better

tell me why. To me it feels like you're just casting a naked vote and then making it sound liek some sorry excuse for avoiding a prod. I get when people can't really post or contribute because life gets in the way. I get it, I understand it, I'm dealing with it pretty hardcore right now because of my studies and workload. BUT, when I do get precious little time to read and post here, I at least give a damn reason or share my feelings on something. What I want to know is what your own personal reasons for voting PB are, and while you're at it why you've only said that and why you're willing to add KC to your 'would lynch' pile in only four days. Then I scroll my olive-hazel eyes up a bit and see in 691 you've basically done the same exact thing, dragging your hump while not providing much and basically just coasting safely in the distance. WHERE do you stand, and WHAT are you thinking Edos?

I hate this weak-willed crap and it's starting to piss me off. NicCage, Edosurist, massive, ZZZX, hiplop, you're NOT doing much. The first threehave been playing lackluster and safe [maybe massive to a lesser extent], and the latter two need to engage more. Ask me some fucking questions. DO SOMETHING. You're pissing me off by looking weak and disinterested and you're wasting my time.

You wanna know why I'm starting to feel more paranoid and angry, like we need to get a move on this shit?

When was the last time I even had a fucking vote on me? Yeah. BMR back in 341. That's the ONLY vote on me ever. When people STOP voting for me or questioning me or otherwise GETTING IN MY FACE and giving me the intense chaos I fucking crave, I START getting worried. Almost feel like prescribing myself a Valium here I'm getting so worked up. I

want

to be contradicted.

Don't

run your mouth and curse at me.

Answer

my fucking questions and

send me

some too while you're at it.

Make yourselves useful

. Otherwise replace out of this fucking game because you're not needed.

I play this game to find out who Scum is, and to be heard. When you ignore me it really pisses me off. I'm getting pissed with Drixx, but I'm told that's his Town self. I'm just getting pissed. I shouldn't have to beg players to get into it with me. No one's really been asking me much, and when they do it's limp-wristed crap. Bounce ideas off of me, and interrogate me. Something. Otherwise I may as well just replace out because I can put this time and thought-stealing stuff over to my studies.

[Wake1]

Wake how do you feel about the PB wagon?

For one I keep getting him confused with Peptobislawl.

If memory serves I didn't like him all that much because he wasn't doing much or providing any reasoning for his vote. He explainined himself a little in 171 so there's that, but I'm still not impressed one bit. His bit between 238 and 382 sucked. No real content. 483 all the way up to 722 is coasting! No reasoning at all for his vote on Gogurt either. In 879 he votes Nacho for an underwhelming post,

but PB's whole ISO up to this point has been underwhelming

. In 1006 he offers a little more reason but still, not much. He posts a lot of fluff. I don't know him. At a cursory glance, 1016 up to 1140 is fucking filler. If he's not going to play,

leave

. What he's primarily doing is posting stupid comments that don't really do anything for the game.

Does that make him Scum? That I don't know. IF we can't make up our minds I won't cry if he's lynched. But for now I haven't seen anything that's really Scummy or contradictory from him, and I would dare any of that lot voting for him to give me real reasons why he's Scum worthy of being lynched. What do you think about it?

[Wake1]

Wake: Assume I'm town. How many scum are on my wagon currently?

The first mistake you made is assuming I'm going to consider your happy ass Town.

The second mistake you made is thinking I won't call you out over it.

Do you realize how lame it sounds to ask someone to assume you're Town? Fuck that. I assume

nothing

.

You MAY be Town. IF you are Town, I would think at least one, maybe two Scum are on your wagon. That said, I would then turn the barrel back to you and ask you who you think on your wagon is Scum. Do that and then turn the barrel back to me, and I'll do my best to give you my thoughts on who I think might be Scum on your wagon as well.

[Wake1]

Hey, fuck you Wake. I'm doing plenty, easily as much as you. What are you doing except bitching? Who's your scumread? Edos?

Why didn't you address this:

I don't get the feeling KC is Town. You may not know this, but I brought her and some others into Mafia. At this moment she is not going to be lynched today, because I will not allow it.

This doesn't seem like a very productive way to play the game

Why would you ever just skip over someone who you don't think is town? What do you think of the points against her, which DOMO has summed up? And what has changed between now and then? What's KC's townself? Why didn't you think she was town before?

What do you think of the PB wagon?

Edit: well I guess now you're doing some of that. Good job

What do you think of my points against massive?


You know what pisses me off is getting called out for no reason and having to read a big fat wall that says nothing. Great job on calling out the noise, which several players have already done. You and drixx are a little late to the party on commenting on that, which looks bad to me.

There's plenty of shit going on that's actually worth taking a stance on, so why don't you finish up all of that before you bitch at me.

I just realized I made a typo.

'I don't get the feeling KC is Scum.'

[Wake1]

Hey, fuck you Wake. I'm doing plenty, easily as much as you. What are you doing except bitching? Who's your scumread? Edos?

Why didn't you address this:

I don't get the feeling KC is Town. You may not know this, but I brought her and some others into Mafia. At this moment she is not going to be lynched today, because I will not allow it.

This doesn't seem like a very productive way to play the game

Why would you ever just skip over someone who you don't think is town? What do you think of the points against her, which DOMO has summed up? And what has changed between now and then? What's KC's townself? Why didn't you think she was town before?

What do you think of the PB wagon?

Edit: well I guess now you're doing some of that. Good job

What do you think of my points against massive?


You know what pisses me off is getting called out for no reason and having to read a big fat wall that says nothing. Great job on calling out the noise, which several players have already done. You and drixx are a little late to the party on commenting on that, which looks bad to me.

There's plenty of shit going on that's actually worth taking a stance on, so why don't you finish up all of that before you bitch at me.

I'm going to try to make another reads list today. Since 0002 went largely ignored I'm going to take a new approach when it comes to listing reads.

PB's and Edo's content sucks but I don't find anything particularly Scummy about them. Drixx won't answer me, and he's hostile. Again, I don't know if that's his Town or Scum meta. Spiffeh I read as Town. Nacho I don't know much of and I have a hard time reading him based on all of his short little posts. Same damn thing with Xiao and in spite of some of his crap I'm not willing to write him off as Scum, but anti-Town to an extent. I feel paranoid about Edgar; for two heads he's only posted 11 times. That's a stark difference when you consider the other hydra in the game. Elbirn I keep forgetting about, which makes me feel like he's trying not to be noticed. In spite of DOMO's post count I sort of feel the same about him too. And Ellibereth; I'm having a tough time reading him. KC, Spiffeh, Xiao I'm not willing to lynch today. Massive doesn't post much but when he does it's pretty good; I wish he'd contribute more. I keep forgetting about Peptobislawl and I don't have Townvibes over BMR. I keep forgetting about LB too.

When players boil their cases down to 3-5 sentences, it makes a world of difference. If DOMO would do that for me I'd be grateful. I have the uneasy feeling that the PB wagon is a typical Day 1 mislynch, but it did face less resistance than the crazy Nacho wagon, so I'm torn on it. I want to hear some concentrated reasons why PB should be lynched, because right now I'm not inclined to go there, because why? Massive I don't feel is Scum and would rather he stay around for now; what's your main contention with him?

It does anger me a bit how you say my reads list said nothing, especially when I put over two hours into it. That makes me feel like you're not really worth putting in the effort, to be brutally honest, because your attention span sucks. Again, that's just how I feel about it. Who wants to put in hours of work to this game just to be ignored? I don't. Can you blame me? So I'm never doing that again.

VOTE: klingon

I don't understand this.

[Wake1]

I'm getting pissed with Drixx, but I'm told that's his Town self.

??????????????????????

He keeps telling me to fuck off when I ask him questions, but then I was told that that's Town-Drixx and that I shouldn't Scumread him for it. I don't know if he does that more as Town, but I do know he wouldn't answer my questions and cursed and swore at me when I was trying to get him to engage me.

[Wake1]

Why did you suppose whoever said that Drixx was hostile is town and correct? Why didn't you ask them to prove it?

Despite your long posts, why haven't you said anything beyond boilerplate conclusions?

Why are you interrupting scumhunting to bitch that no one is talking to you?

Wake scum likes to spam and do nothing. You want to contribute, then contribute. Take initiative.


Drixx could be scum antihero. He needs to justify his reads but he has some RL stuff that may justify his behavior. Since I have other scumreads, I want to give him a day since Mafia can be a distraction.

-Chip

Time, for one, and the feeling it'd be a lost cause. I don't assume they're correct; I don't auto-trust that sentiment one bit. I do feel that arguing over it isn't going to accomplish much, because people are already writing him off as either null or his Town self because of it. And I think Drixx himself would just bellow and scream louder over it instead of actually responding to my points. Maybe I should question that person over it further, come what may, and see if they can prove it.

Why do you write off my posts like that Xiao? I don't automatically write off your heap of posts as garbage, yet you seem to think it's fine to do that with others. You wrote off my earlier posts as just bitching, but then conveniently ignored the content within them. Maybe I should repeat the points you're ignoring in those posts, and have you respond to them in detail, so you can't get away with writing my posts off as spam while using it as a cover to just ignore my points. Now, do you acknowledge any of the points in my last few posts, or do I need to reiterate them in a more appropriate way?

[Wake1]

that's writing style / personality and that's null

irrelevant

How do you know for sure?

[Wake1]

I see Wake is here in real time at the moment. Hit me up Wake. You got questions? I'm between lectures and have a few minutes. If you legitimately have questions for me you should be able to produce them right now, right?

Yeah. Why do you disrespect me by refusing to answer my questions this game?

[DOMO]———•

You don't sound sure about PB. I don't buy the KC case; can you definitely point out where's she's trying to turn the slip onto Xiao?

[Wake1]

Why do you write off my posts like that Xiao? I don't automatically write off your heap of posts as garbage, yet you seem to think it's fine to do that with others.

confession

Spoiler:

i don't read the majority of posts in larges. in fact, i only slow down and read a few. it's nothing personal, i just don't b/c i got other shit to do. i think that's why i'm better late game than early game.

but... yeah, if you feel like you have to read EVERYTHING (and you feel like everyone else must read ALL your stuff) that might be contributing to feelings of frustration, wake

I do feel like I'm expected to read everything when I just can't. It

is

frustrating. I want people to seriously engage me, because I

hate

being ignored.

[Drixx]———•

Please share your thoughts on PB and his wagon

[Wake1]

[DOMO]———• You don't sound sure about PB. I don't buy the KC case; can you definitely point out where's she's trying to turn the slip onto Xiao?

Of course I'm not sure. I'm town.

Lemme trawl through KC's ISO.

Anyone can say that. You say you're not sure but then say KC is Scum, which doesn't mesh with saying you're not sure.

[Antihero]———•

That naked vote on Edgar.

[Wake1]

I do feel like I'm expected to read everything when I just can't. It is frustrating. I want people to seriously engage me, because I hate being ignored.

ur a medical guy, right?

when you were in school did you read and memorize ALL of your biochemistry/organic chemistry/cell bio textbook?
if so, how the hell did you stay sane?

([DISCLAIMER: Non-Game Stuff] Funny you ask this. I am going psycho-smart nuts on Advanced A&P, and studying Pharmacology months ahead of time by commiting to memory 160 various drugs, including generic name, trade name, therapeutic and pharmacological classes, uses, contraindications, etc. I am learning the language of pharmacology. Hit me up with a PM and I'll share with you my Facebook account and go more in-depth with you about my crazy adventure in nursing academia. I am a very intelligent, chronic over-thinker who struggles with the gifts and weaknesses of ADD. Even bought my own self-examination software from EPractize Labs and taking 300-question pin-point exams every day to keep my knowledge fucking sharp and current. Knowing my job, intellect, and personality, I'm only part-sane.)

[BlueMoonRising]———•

So, what, clam up b/c we're getting close to deadline?

[Wake1]

PB is scum and being lynched today.

Why?

[Wake1]

Anyone can say that. You say you're not sure but then say KC is Scum, which doesn't mesh with saying you're not sure.

Well anyone who does say they're sure is either being creative with the word "sure", or is outright lying. I said earlier "surely kc is scum" but by that I mean "is very likely". You're moaning at me for not actually being sure. Well you should be moaning at those who claim they are absolutely sure.

Not sure what to make of this. So when you say PB and KC are Scum, you mean to say you feel they're very likely to be Scum, which means they're not exactly Scum as you has said initially. Not liking how you're framing this discussion by trying to say I'm 'moaning,' either.

[Xiao Xiao Buns]———•

How do you read Spiffeh's insistence that PB is Scum and being lynched today?

[Wake1]

I just don't want to see a mislynch or a no lynch because of ego's.

I would lynch PB as a compromise, but it's not my first choice.

Who is your first choice and why?

Is PB Scum worthy of lynching in your eyes?

[Edosurist]———•

How are you reading Spiffeh, Xiao, and NicCage right now?

[Wake1]

I can't be bothered to argue semantics with you wake.

I'll put you through your paces if you give me a reason.

[Wake1]

zzzx needs to talk right or get lynched right

Or maybe you could 'talk right' yourself.

Remember all that crap about those people being Scum? Yeah. That.

I'm inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt, but if you think this is going to be a continuing pattern you are mistaken.

[Wake1]

zzzx needs to talk right or get lynched right

Or maybe you could 'talk right' yourself.

Remember all that crap about those people being Scum? Yeah. That.

I'm inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt, but if you think this is going to be a continuing pattern you are mistaken.

So
What's the sauce on this, having incorrect scumreads is a scumtell?

See, I don't understand why you're saying that on his behalf when you know that's not what I'm saying.

He pressed three people hard and they all died and flipped Town. No one said it makes him this or that.

It

is

something to be mindful about; especially if it becomes a continuing pattern.

Knowing that, why would you frame your question that way? Are you just not reading my words, or are you trying to twist my words out of context?

[Wake1]

Well those flips all did nothing for me.

I hope you guys scumreading the slots got something out of it.

What do you think about them?

Eh forgot to set Vladimir in control.

I'll be done tonight anyway. After I finish stuff

Not sure if this guy deserves exemption from rope. Keep forgetting he's here. I don't like that.

I'm still behind! I have this game in my schedule for tonight so yea

again, anything overly importan i need to say/do?

Same with this dude. I get being busy. I'm busy as Hell. You don't have to read the whole thread to give reads. Just make them off the top of your head based on what you've experienced so far. And if you miss something, so the fuck what? You have a life, too. Anyways, I think Xtoxm is Town. Can you get back to me on that at least?

[Wake1]

Your scum game feels very nebulous. From what I've seen, you maintain distance and say just enough to be considered a part of the game.
Furthermore, from what I've seen of your town game, you bring the heat as town and are very vocal when it comes to contributing to a wagon you feel good about.
The weak-sheep and hop onto my wagon here falls far more into the realm of your scumgame than towngame.

My bulk of experience is coming directly from some of your most recent games: Space Dandy Mafia (which I modded), Saki Achiga-hen, and New York 185: Freshwater Frenzy.
Of course, I am also following your play in at least two ongoing games. We shall not speak of those.
In Space Dandy Mafia, you were scum. You held onto your vote and typically threw it at townies without much articulation. "Let's wagon something" was often the most you'd put down there. Since I followed along with the Scum PT, I knew that you were calculating these votes and thought a lot about your role in the game and how to push the momentum of the game with your votes. In fact, your scum PT activity rivaled that of your main thread activity for a long time, and it wasn't until later stages of the game that you were posting more in the actual game.
In Saki Achiga-hen, you were scum. You would often either join wagons early or late. You would not add much to articulate your votes, but you were a presence otherwise. I'm actually glad I went back to read this game, because I previously thought a town tell of yours was to use color-coded reads lists, but you did that in Saki, so I've discarded the notion. Anyway. Compare all this to...
New York 185, where you were town. Your vote on Ipie is backed by substantial quotes and rationale. Your vote on Egg comes after a long (for you) post about why you think Egg is scum. Otherwise, you are very quiet that game, which surprised me when you came out against Egg in full force with your JOAT reveal.

Regardless, as evidenced by the differences in your play in these three games, I've got the feeling that you play your cards close to your chest as both alignments, but that you're much more willing to sling your vote around as scum. I feel as though your play is fairly calculated as either alignment, but that your scum approach is a bit less 'serious' and a bit more concerned with maintaining certain fronts. There's also an issue of you constantly making an effort to distance yourself from the Space Dandy game--it's come up twice now. Hm.

While this is fairly limited info to go off of, I think it's enough to respond to your vote on me, as you haven't really weighed in on my slot or your trust in Antihero all game. There's a single mention of you being okay with a wagon on me back in 805, but that's it.

Trust, I'm not really one to rely on meta. Most of why I am voting you is to suss out the reasons for your vote on me, and to get the second day moving with some momentum. If it'll help players figure me and you out, it's for the best, as I believe both of us are a blind spot for many people.

I'm interested in what your thoughts on Drixx are. Do you still think Drixx may be scum?

-V

3/10

meh

Anti, do you usually brush off questions like this as Town?

[Wake1]

I think he's a fine vote.

Why?

[Wake1]

zzzx needs to talk right or get lynched right

Or maybe you could 'talk right' yourself.

Remember all that crap about those people being Scum? Yeah. That.

I'm inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt, but if you think this is going to be a continuing pattern you are mistaken.

So
What's the sauce on this, having incorrect scumreads is a scumtell?

See, I don't understand why you're saying that on his behalf when you know that's not what I'm saying.

He pressed three people hard and they all died and flipped Town. No one said it makes him this or that.

It

is

something to be mindful about; especially if it becomes a continuing pattern.

Knowing that, why would you frame your question that way? Are you just not reading my words, or are you trying to twist my words out of context?

all chip's scumreads flipped town

thats really bad and you guys can lynch us if you want

Stop being a dumbass.

Being wrong doesn't make you anything. Just wrong.

However, example time, we get to Day 3 and seven of your Scumread flip Town, then we got real problems.

[Wake1]

well, at least they weren't lynched!

Yeah, but now you look worse than before.

I'm not stupid.

Makes me think you might be Town getting set up.

[Wake1]

So...

...yeah.

I noticed both the kills had 100+ posts.

We know players are usually killed for a reason.

Anyone here know why they were killed? Yeah. Let's start there.

[Wake1]

if im being set up, then im doing it really subtly, cause i dont feel the trap

What did I just tell you?

And I just told you I think Scum might be setting you up with those kills,

not

you setting yourself up.

...

Hm.

I think you should stick around for a while. At least you contribute. Unlike some people.

Got a quiz for you. Jot down who the 4 Mafia are.

[Wake1]

how do you know thers 4 mafia?

That is just it. I don't.

I wanted to see your reaction.

Assuming we

do

have four Mafia, who are they?

[Wake1]

im also suspecting elbirn

zzzx needs to talk right or get lynched right

VOTE: Xtoxm

I'm willing to sheep Edgar since I think they're town, Xtoxm hasn't wowed either of us, and our last scumreads turned out wrong.

Sonic will likely be the more dominant head today.

-Chip

my reads? well, i want to resolve this ellibereth/nacho issue the sooner the better.

i also suspect edgar allen pro

Elbirn
ZZZX
Xtoxm
Edgar

I didn't like how Elbirn phrased his question towards me. Make you feel that unsteady feeling that you've been wrong.

ZZZX doesn't post enough, but I remember he does that a lot in the games I've had with him.

Xtoxm gives me Townvibes. Why Edgar? He doesn't post often, and can be verbose, but where's the meat when it comes to him being suspicious?

[Wake1]

Why do you think those two were killed Xiao?

[Wake1]

I may need to replace out. Full-time work and school is leaving me little else.

[Wake1]

In spite of not being able to play anywhere near full capacity because I am very busy now with the stages of nursing school, I'm going to stay in this game, and I'm going to contribute to the best of my abilities as my schedule and energy allows. If anyone has a problem with this, speak now, or deal with it. Farside, I am on indefinite Limited Access. However, in no way does this mean I will not be playing the game as able. What is off the table for sure is reading 1687 posts over and over again and then trying to strip them apart with analysis and forming reads from them. No. Not happening. Fuck that noise. I'll post some game thoughts later. Have to leave soon for another 4-hour lecture this evening.

[Wake1]

Farside, I've decided not to replace out. Please disregard that PM.

Will play only as real-life allows.

[Wake1]

I'm going to try to play, but I'm not able to commit as most others here are.

[Wake1]

So let's get to it.

We've got three people dead.

Prolapsed Brain was mislynched. Klingoncelt and DOMO were killed. They were all Town.

Maybe we should, you know, start analyzing these deaths?

What we do know is that XXB Scumread all three of them. I feel this is a ploy by Scum to make one of the most engaging players look suspicious. This means I think we take him off the table for Day 2. We don't lynch him for now until we get more data.

Let's take a look at who was on the Prolapsed Brain wagon.

nacho
xiao
elbirn
edo
lizard
spiffeh
pepto
edgar
massive
niccage
hiplop

We also know that DOMO and Klingon were not on the PB wagon. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Either at least one Scum drove this wagon, a lot of Townies fucked up, or both. It's too early to tell, but it needs to be said.

Nacho initiated the wagon against PB. PB was the only one voting for Nacho. Only one of them flipped Town thus far.

I don't like this feeling that XXB is being set up, and I think we should also look at those on XXB's wagon.

kling

Drix
xtoxm
bluemoon

People need to start sharing their thoughts on this

now

.

[Wake1]

@Wake, why are you ignoring the QUALITY of XXB's posts? We have a case of our most active player being one of the least productive.

Isn't engagement itself valuable in Mafia?

Activity draws engagement, and engagement inevitably draws productivity based on the responses or exchanges entailed.

Maybe you should cut to the chase and tell me why you think he hasn't been productive. As opposed to, say, you.

[Wake1]

Can someone explain the wagon on elli?

[Coming back from a bad cold.]

[Wake1]

I'm lost in this game right now.

Dealing with pneumonia and fever, but don't want to replace out.

Not sold on the elli wagon. Being 'useless,' which is pretty darned subjective, and having a 'guilty' in a Bastard game doesn't do much to really persuade me. In fact, what I do find suspicious is how you think someone being useless is grounds for being Scum and should be lynched.

[Wake1]

Not sold on the elli wagon. Being 'useless,' which is pretty darned subjective, and having a 'guilty' in a Bastard game doesn't do much to really persuade me. In fact, what I do find suspicious is how you think someone being useless is grounds for being Scum and should be lynched.

What is pro-town about keeping him around? What is different from Ellibereth's play in this game (which you seemingly approve of enough to defend him, now TWICE) and Prolapsed Brain (who you are unimpressed by, see 1293)?

And while I'm in your ISO ...

Anyone here know why they were killed? Yeah. Let's start there.

You spent a few posts in the middle of D1 asking both XXB and KlingonCelt about a supposed mafia rolecop. Why didn't this become a natural follow-up D2?

And this ...

We also know that DOMO and Klingon were not on the PB wagon. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Either at least one Scum drove this wagon, a lot of Townies fucked up, or both. It's too early to tell, but it needs to be said.

... is just doubletalk that says nothing. OBVIOUSLY the wagon was either town-driven or scum-driven. Why did it "need to be said"?

If you're gonna talk, you had better keep my words in context. I told you that being 'useless' isn't grounds for being Scum and getting lynched. Don't you dare try to turn that around by asking 'oh, what's pro-Town about keeping him around?' That's not the fucking point. All I care about is finding Scum, so when anyone bullshits about how someone should be lynched because they're useless, it tells me they're being lynched for being useless, instead of the lynch having any fucking basis on alignment. Who the hell ever said uselessness has any bearing on alignment?

I don't know about you, but when I look for Scum, I look for things that are actually indicative of alignment. So what if Elli's useless? IS HE SCUM? Does that make him Scum?

Yes

or

No

. That's the issue. During Day 1, when we've got NOTHING, I'm not against a utility lynch. However, now that we've got flips, lynching someone for being useless, or mean, or chatty just doesn't cut it.

Maybe you haven't noticed, but I've been sick and busy as heck to boot. Farside can vouch for that. As I start feeling better, I'll start getting back into the game as I fucking want to, so how about you mind your own business and let people play the game at their own paces? Yeah, how's that?

For someone who bitches about someone else's play, you don't seem to have any problem being dense when it comes to analyzing the flips and the wagons. None of the flipped Townies were on the PB wagon! If we're looking at 3:3, or 4, or 4:1 [sans Vig], my guess is that there's got to be at least two Scum on that wagon.

[Wake1]

Looking at the ISO, KC said she thought Elli was Scum, and that Nacho might be too, but on a different team. She and XXB did get entangled during Day 1. He was critical of her. I've got him as a Town-read though; I don't think he's Scum. KC did vote for XXB. She was killed, and flipped Town. I suspect the main reason she was killed, based on exchanges with XXB, was to try and make XXB look less Town. Though she said he was clearly Scum, and she flipped Town, that doesn't mean she's correct, and it doesn't mean Scum can't try to use that to weaken a strong Town voice. Her 936 and onward definitely makes me think someone's trying to frame XXB. Smells fishy. She was sure of DOMO's alignment, too, but he also flipped Town.

To sum it up, I propose that KC's murder was a ploy to cast shade on XXB. In 1415 she's got three Scumspects: XXB [which I think is being set up], DOMO [died anf flipped Town], and hiplop [don't know hiplop].

DOMO's harder to ISO, because he's got 190 posts. Scrolling through his ISO he was asking a lot of questions and challenging people's stances. Starting at 1018 he's pushing KC-Scum. Take 1057. Yet again, in 1200.

I've got a theory.

Let's assume for a sec it's multiball.

I think KC was killed to make XXB look bad, b/c XXB focused on KC. What if DOMO was killed by another Scum faction to make KC look bad, b/c those two were going at it hard as well?

This thought in mind, I just now looked at this post.

haha xiao thinks I'm scum with klingon, while klingon thinks I'm scum with xiao.

One of these fuckers actually believes that! The other one is probably scum.

I also don't believe XXB is Scum. I think these kills were meant to cast shade. Who here feels even the slightest that either of these two kills come from a Town-Vig state of mind? If you don't, as I don't, I think the idea that this is multiball has just a little more weight than before. I want to hear some feedback on this please.

[Wake1]

Wake when was the last time you were scum and why do think scum make kills,

especially

N1 kills, to 'make people look bad'?. You leave people alive if they're being widely scumread.

I doubt Domo was a vig, but i'd not be at all surprised if KC was vigged.

I don't remember the last time I was Scum. Prior to another [ongoing] game it's been months since playing. It's true Scum can kill people for various reasons, but looking at how a pair of players were getting into it, and then one dies, it makes the other look bad. Same kind of stuff you see on Matlock. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if those kills were deliberately planned to make another player look bad. On your 2nd-to-last sentence you say you keep people alive if they're being widely Scumread. Seeing that XXB is a strong Town voice, and KC is too, I suspect that in killing KC it makes XXB look less Town to others. Do you think XXB is widely Scumread? I don't. Same with KC; I didn't feel she was Scum either.

If there is a Vig I don't get any of the motivation behind it.

[Wake1]

I'll be on LA unitl Monday. Unknowingly suffered from bacterial pneumonia the last five days; went to the emergency clinic yesterday and got a prescription for antibiotics. Started them this morning and resting/hydrating as much as possible. Got a doctor's order to not work until Monday. Will post as my stamina allows.

[Wake1]

OK who do you want me to vote? Your choices are Elli or XXB.

elli

K

VOTE: Elli

[Wake1]

Well, at least the antibiotics are working.

Personally I think the Elli wagon is dubious because even though there's a claimed guilty on Elli it's a Bastard, so anything can happen. NicCage wagon sprung up, I think, because he's been useless. Elli's been useless as well.

I didn't like how DGB asked hiplop who she should vote for, and then naked voted the option hiplop chose. Just feels like a way for her to vote without giving much reason of her own. I get that she's a good player, but I don't get why it seems like people are not noticing that. It's just a Scummy move, regardless of who does it.

[Wake1]

Elbirn, the Nic wagon is garbage because you're voting him for what? Being useless, according to you? Last I checked buddy, that has no bearing on alignment. This is Day 2, so you know better than to lynch players for reasons that don't take alignment into consideration. Those just jumping on the bad wagon with you I think need to be scrutinized.

[Wake1]

Hiplop, why are you jumping on Nic Cage? Do you have reasons or just trying to save your hide?

I'd like to know what

you

think of the wagon.

[Wake1]

Wake. There's 19 hours til deadline. I'm voting Nic because that wagon is a slight preference to Elli. "He's useless" is more than good enough in the face of an imminent no lynch. DGB wagon is not going to magically spring up in the remaining time, so pick Nic or Elli.

"He's useless" is not a good enough excuse to lynch someone Day 2. And I never said we should have a DGB wagon develop: you're kinda proving my point that you're finding reasons to not discuss why I think her interaction with hiplop was suspicious. You don't seem to want to talk about it for whatever reason [yeah, real Towny there], and I'm not going to be forced to choose between two wagons that I think are both crap. Who the hell do you think I am? Why exactly are you settling for one of these two, when you've had more than enough time to read the game? [You didn't have bacterial pneumonia this week, so don't even try to go there.]

[Wake1]

VOTE: Ellibereth

The NicCage wagon looks too arbitrary to me. Still don't know why he was getting votes for "doing nothing" when that describes at least half the player list this day.

I still hold to the fact that Drixx was scummy as fuck.

Sell me on why Drixx was Scummy as fuck.

The Nic wagon sucks, but I'm wondering if you're voting the Elli wagon for similar reasons. In your eyes is Drixx or Elli the Scummier?

[Wake1]

Wake. There's 19 hours til deadline. I'm voting Nic because that wagon is a slight preference to Elli. "He's useless" is more than good enough in the face of an imminent no lynch. DGB wagon is not going to magically spring up in the remaining time, so pick Nic or Elli.

"He's useless" is not a good enough excuse to lynch someone Day 2. And I never said we should have a DGB wagon develop: you're kinda proving my point that you're finding reasons to not discuss why I think her interaction with hiplop was suspicious. You don't seem to want to talk about it for whatever reason [yeah, real Towny there], and I'm not going to be forced to choose between two wagons that I think are both crap. Who the hell do you think I am? Why exactly are you settling for one of these two, when you've had more than enough time to read the game? [You didn't have bacterial pneumonia this week, so don't even try to go there.]

Well, you don't have to. Continue not voting if you want. It's your life.

You're very skillful in avoiding discussion on why DGB/hiplop exchange was suspicious.

[Wake1]

Nacho, dear, can you explain to me why Xtoxm doesn't engage on the DGB/hiplop exchange, even when it's brought to his attention on more than one occasion?

Now, I'm not sure, but I do recall that not trying to avoid a direct discussion is a part of being Town.

[Wake1]

I think that's L-1.

He should be allowed to claim, at least.

[Wake1]

You're very skillful in avoiding discussion on why DGB/hiplop exchange was suspicious.

I am town, so it's only 50% suspicious, potentially.

You may be Town, but I don't know that.

Did you share your reason for voting yet?

[Wake1]

Fucking asshole.

[Wake1]

VOTE: elli

I think I found myself on a counterwagon and honestly feel very stupid

I apologize profusely.

What is wrong with you?

I

just said

he's at L1.

You did that on purpose.

[Wake1]

I kinda had to. I'm going to Quebec and wasn't sure if I'd be able to post. I didn't want a no lynch.

sorry, but her attendance has been pretty damn flakey

It's true Elli was sort of a useless piece of crap, but at least having the player claim would have helped. I doubt anyone would have allowed a NL to go through, since there are many other players in this game.

[Wake1]

To set the record straight, I didn't like the Ellibereth wagon because there wasn't good reason for it. Tell me again why it was a good reason, and I'll remind you that voting for someone for being useless is in no way a good reason to lynch someone. What I don't find particularly charming is how we collectively dropped the ball Day 2 and then rushed to accomplish a lynch because 'lol avoid NL.' We can do better. I think hiplop, for the most part, was reckless, but does that make him Scum? Elli had a hand in his own demise; he didn't give a damn, and made little effort to contribute. As for the other wagon, please refresh my memory.

I want Pepto, Elbir, and DGB to tell me exactly why they're voting hiplop, and Antihero to share his reason for voting Elbirn. If the former three are voting him because he hammered two PRs [did they claim or not?], is that a good enough reason? I'd like everyone here including XXB and Skybird to weigh in.

It's now Day 3, and I'm feeling less tolerant of all the lurking that's been going on. Lurking in itself isn't Scummy, but it's certainly anti-Town.

We should study the DOMO and Spiffeh kills for ties, and also the Klingoncelt and nachomamma kills.

Antihero, I don't like how you automatically assume it's a Serial Killer. Pretty sure Nacho said he had a guilty on Elli; once Elli died and flipped Town do you auto-assume that a Vig wouldn't punish Nacho over it? Clear that up for me why don't you?

[Wake1]

Antihero, I don't like how you automatically assume it's a Serial Killer. Pretty sure Nacho said he had a guilty on Elli; once Elli died and flipped Town do you auto-assume that a Vig wouldn't punish Nacho over it? Clear that up for me why don't you?

ehhhhhhhhhhhhh
was anyone really putting any credence into that by the time night 1 rolled around?

Could you make that a little clearer, please?

[Wake1]

DGB to tell me exactly why they're voting hiplop

I am a team player.

That's one way to not answer me.

I don't recommend your vagueness when it comes to me, DGB.

Tell me

exactly why

you're voting hiplop.

i meant exactly what i said. was anyone putting stock into nacho's claimed "result"?

i'm pretty sure ppl have already noted this is a bastard game

Is it possible your game has any of the following: cults, mid-game alignment changes, moderator lies that cannot be reasonably anticipated (for example, Godfather, Tailor, Miller, Ninja, and mechanics like that are generally fine. Telling someone they are a reflexive doctor when they're actually a PGO is not), secret win conditions, un-divulged non-randomness in player role/alignment generation, direct moderator influence during the game? [Yes/No] Yes
No alignment changes is all I can promise.

Though they did not rush to lynch Elli Day 1, they didn't lynch nacho either.

Even with the guilty claim in a Bastard game, the moment everyone learned the accuser was Scum and the accused was Town was the moment the evaporizor had good enough reason to target nacho. This makes me think that person could be either SK or Vig; I don't think we should rush to assume one or the other right now. I can see it either way with KC's death, and can definitely see it both ways with nacho's death. I don't know if the evaporizor is SK or Vig.

[Wake1]

UNVOTE:

Actually I am in a stupid neighborhood but I just read it and hiplop is town.

Care to elaborate on this?

Seconded.

[Wake1]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

It's not nice to ignore people.

[Wake1]

Oh, I'm voting hiplop for being a shit bag and I'm mad at him. Of course he's town, idc.

Elbrin's not a bad vote. Seeking to start a counterwagon to someone they know is town with zero reasoning or proof of ability is a decent way to steal towncred as scum, especially if the resistance only appears later in the day.

We don't know either is Town, and Elbirn's reasoning sucks. If he doesn't relent soon and come up with better reasons for his actions I'm going to drop him lower on my list.

[Wake1]

I want NicCage, Warper, and massive to start contributing more. And whoever else that's lurking in the periphery.

[Wake1]

I think Nacho was just 100% bullshitting with all his result/miller stuff.

That sounds more reasonable.

How do you weigh anti's pet theory? I don't buy it.

[Wake1]

@Wake, Pretty sure we know Eli was town, or were you not understanding my comments?

All posts so far today have been Chip.

Now we know he was Town. We sure as hell didn't know before his flip, and to assume we did is fucking bullshit.

I think it's more reasonable to think nacho was just bullshitting about his result on Elli. It doesn't sound likely that the mod would come up with some weird scheme to trick nacho into thinking something else, and it doesn't sound likely that there's a negative utility inventor either. Anti's theory sounds far-fetched; I don't mind him bringing his thoughts to the table, but if you're going to cross that line and start getting serious about it you had better bring some reasoning behind it, too.

[Wake1]

[Antihero]———•

Why the varsoonhydra wagon?

[Antihero]———•

Do you think DGB's avoiding me?

[Xotxm]———•

Is it fair to pressure DGB over avoiding someone and for not revealing her Neighbors, or do you think differently on one or both fronts here?

[Wake1]

BMR, could you give a summary of your thoughts regarding what's been said since start of Day 3?

No offense, but not liking how fency some of your posts have been thus far today. Show me where you're standing right now, at least briefly.

[Wake1]

As I recall, DGB and BMR are the only current public members and DGB is the more likely of the 2 to be scum, so that's where i'm starting.

And whoever gave that vote of confidence?

I didn't even know they were both in a Neighborhood, and I certainly hope you're not speaking for me and everyone else when you say DGB is more likely than BMR to be Scum. Say you speak for yourself on this.

[Wake1]

BMR, could you give a summary of your thoughts regarding what's been said since start of Day 3?

No offense, but not liking how fency some of your posts have been thus far today. Show me where you're standing right now, at least briefly.

I'm not sure what you mean, not a lot has been said, and no one has claimed responsibility for the Nacho kill. People are throwing around wild theories with little reasoning so I am trying to focus on what we actually know, so we can actually lynch scum today.

I am asking you to give a summary of what's been said since Day 3. Don't make me repeat myself on this, else I'll think you're playing dumb.

No one in their right mind is going to claim responsibility for the evaporizor kills, and no one should. If Vig, you better not claim unless you're at L-1 and someone's claimed intent. I don't think, if an SK, the SK would be dumb enough to claim. Having dealt with this in the past, I don't want to go through any sort of fucking leash-vs-lynch discussion again.

Stop being cagey, and start getting into the discussion. Your little one-liners are not only annoying but they don't do much either and smply come off as generic. Tell me what you think, tell me where you stand, and start actually sharing with the rest of us what ideas you agree with and which ones you don't. How about that?

[Wake1]

UHHHH

I'M PRETTY SURE MY PREVIOUS VOODOO SHIT LANDED ON EDOSURIT IS HE STILL IN THIS GAME.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

...

...do you really think it's a credible hint?

If this is what you think it is, you've got a good eye.

[Wake1]

Lynch dgb and this will be the first game I replace out of. Seriously. Stop doing bad things.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: NicCage

Nic is a superior vote to literally anyone else and he needs to be put in the ground.

I expect you to not ever do this in a game I'm in ever again. You open your mouth about not doing bad things, and in the same breath you think you can threaten the rest of us with replacing about because your pet Townread is under threat of being lynched. That, my friend, is bad play. Stop it, now. This doesn't make you Town or Scum: it makes you a player who made a shit appeal, a mistake, so knock it off. What you did here did nothing to help Town.

As for Nic, he hasn't contributed much. What am I supposed to think? He's like a slug who won't pull his own weight; yeah, we have some shit players who are lurking like hell and not helping. It's like my hands are tied, because their lurking and laziness doesn't make them Town or Scum! It's aggravating! What do you think should be done? You're trying to convince me that Nic is the superior vote but why, and what makes him a better vote than the other lurkers who are lurking even worse than he is? It's Day 3. We can't afford to lynch lurkers for lurking when they could end up being the latest and greatest idiot. Look at Elli, for one. If these people are Town and we lynch them for lurking then we're only helping Scum. What do we do?

[Wake1]

well... if that actually happened, i would have formed an opinion on it

UHHHH

I'M PRETTY SURE MY PREVIOUS VOODOO SHIT LANDED ON EDOSURIT IS HE STILL IN THIS GAME.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

So
Massive points out the "guilty" crumb.

Dgb is town because an insane cop got a guilty on his slot.

Presume massive scum

I don't see scum-massive pointing out a guilty crumb on scummate-dgb...and if dgb were scum, well he'd return an innocent result.

Scum-massive might point out a guilty crumb on a townie but that could look shitty if a lynch is pushed through on it. Overall I think it's more likely that a town-massive trolls through elli iso looking for a crumb, sees it,and reports his findings and slaps a vote down.

Did I mention elli was insane?

First of all, what makes you say Elli was an insane Cop. We all saw the flip. There was no mention of an insane modifier.

I don't know what the hell you're talking about, but Elli wasn't insane, and it looks to me like Elli left a crumb about DGB.

You want to talk about it, then let's talk about it. Show me evidence that Elli was insane and reason with me that Elli's supposed crumb on DGB has no weight.

Also I want to know how you're viewing massive atm so I can see how it compares with my view on him.

[Wake1]

It's totally noise, just disregard it

Idk how anyone can iso Nic and not want him dead.

I want Nic to stop being lazy, as if he's some carefree fixture in the room and doesn't have to do anything. You're here, so play, or replace out. It's that simple.

[Wake1]

Elbirn is still the best lynch. I am tired of his ate crap. No town would act like that.

No.

Any person, Town or Scum, can do something fucking stupid like that.

In past games I've done that as Town. Your reason sucks.

Anti-Town, as I'm sure you're aware, is not synonymous with being Scum.

You had better back-track now, or I'll beat you back on this weak point of yours.

[Wake1]

like... the whole cult thing is really fucking bizarre in hindsight.

Is the cult thing based in fact, or speculation?

Because if it's the latter, it serves no other purpose than being a distraction rooted in WIFOM.

[Wake1]

This is what I wrote up after ISOing NicCage:

He's got a fair number of fluff posts. He asked Elli a question in post 737. I don't see an answer to this in Elli's ISO and Nic doesn't follow up on it. He asks random questions that pertain to the game (examples 1151, 1205, 1207) Post 1207 is to Massive. Massive responds in 1210 and answers the question to him in 1207 and also responsed to 1205. Nic never says anything about Massive's response, it looks like he just drops the topics. His last 5 or 6 posts are just thow-away posts that don't say much. In one post he agrees that Drixx hasn't done a lot and there were a few posts that seemed bad to Nic. (post 1623) Nic never posts a case on Drixx and in post 1994 says he thought Drixx was kinda suspicious but doesn't now and wants to hear from Drixx' replacement.

I can see Nic as scum trying to lurk along and just contribute enough to try and fool someone.

this is kind of like a case.

Agh I dunno I am really confused I think scum might be at teh sidelines right now and all this be townies.

Where idid xxb go ? They went from top poster to rarely pass by.

Yeah.

You're confused, on the sidelines, and talking about people being on the sidelines. Sound about right?

I don't know where XXB went. They have contributed quite a bit; I see little reason to use their current inactivity against them when there have been other lurkers about. So what if they're not around right now? Do you think that means anything in the grand scheme of things? Is there some underlying relevance to it that escapes my understanding? How about instead of trying to use activity as a basis for unearthing one's alignment, we instead start looking at behavioral contradictions and patterns in the behaviors of others. Has XXB said or done anything that betrays their alignment? Tell me you've got something other than 'they're not around right now' to try and persuade others to pressure them.

[Wake1]

Hey warped, why are you anti-Antihero?

Who are your top three Scumreads?

[Wake1]

It's totally noise, just disregard it

Idk how anyone can iso Nic and not want him dead.

I want Nic to stop being lazy, as if he's some carefree fixture in the room and doesn't have to do anything. You're here, so play, or replace out. It's that simple.

Hold my hand
Help me find my footing
Not sure what to do except follow Anti right now
Do you think it's weird how good warped's read of Nacho was? [post]2046[/vote]

Edit: Edgar, Warped, Skybird

If anything I'll push you to contribute. Stop being lazy and start showing you have some value here. It pisses me off how people join these games and then think they can sit back and not do anything. You've shown to me in exacting that you have some brain cells to knead together, so what in the hell is your excuse for not taking any real sort of stance here? Are you holding back, or do you just not care?

What do you mean you don't know what to do but follow Anti? Take a stance, man. Come on.

Pressure him. I don't care. See what he has to say. Don't ask me about him. Call him out yourself. Eh, his wall is pretty fucking big. What are you going to do? Ask him about it, or subtly hint your suspicions about him to me as if I'm going to carry your water? Vote him then. Make a case. Show me you're not only alive, but got a brain and will, too.

Hey. Why Edgar over Warped, followed by Skybird? Is your Skybird slot because she Scumread you? Clear that up for me.

Also, I want you to explain to me what exactly you think of Skybird's thoughts

here

.

I can see Nic as scum trying to lurk along and just contribute enough to try and fool someone.

[Wake1]

Keep talking about your angle on Warped.

Show me you give a damn about this game.

[Wake1]

If you guys are town you are seriously the worst town ever.

VOTE: DGB

You know, for a smart player, that's pretty dumb.

I'm not here to hold your hand and show you to play the game right as Town.

These petty tantrums I fucking hate.

Stop it with this anti-Town behavior, pull your head out of your butt, and start telling me who you think is Town and who you think is Scum. If you're Town, sucking yourself in like a little clam is going to do NOTHING to change my mind about you. Suck it up, buttercup, and show me the good player I

know

you are. If you're Town this little stumble by you is doing nothing to help.

Let's calm down, and start going over things. Let's get back on track. You can start by taking your vote off you. What do you think about XXB, Nic, and Skybird. Who's Scum and why? Your top three. Go.

I'm unsure where you stand, but I know you have some value, so I'm going to push you to play so I can hopefully sort you out later.

[Wake1]

I don't like Nic's lack of contribution but I'm not moving him to Scum for it atm.

Elli wasn't the best player, but he OR may not have left a crumb about DGB. I don't know. Massive should be pressing this more.

The cult and insane stuff being brought up is crap, IF there's no evidence attached to it. Warped, Elbirn, I'm expecting you to make your cases on this better known. If it's nothing but speculation you're not helping anyone.

I don't like BMR's 2307 one bit.

UNVOTE: DrippingGoofball

Someone answer me seriously on this: Does hiplop deserve to be lynched today? If so,

why

?

[Wake1]

The cult and insane stuff being brought up is crap, IF there's no evidence attached to it. Warped, Elbirn, I'm expecting you to make your cases on this better known. If it's nothing but speculation you're not helping anyone.

farside.
explicitly.
said.
no.
alignment.
changes.
in
the
large
theme
signup
thread

theres
no
cult
can
this
please
be
put
to
bed?

And, with this, it goes to rest

now

.

Edgar, why are five people voting you?

[Wake1]

Give me your address, so I can come fuck you up.

Shortly after, XXB and NicCage joined my wagon.

You make the annoying fucking little sissy

post of "2 Moooooooore" without even waiting for me to come into the thread,

you shit-for-brains.

DGB considers voting me.
Shiro takes off in the spaceship, taking XXB with 'em, putting me down to 5 with 7 to lynch.
Actually, scratch what I said before about Shiro/XXB suspect because of that, I wasn't at L-1. Thought I was and it would've lynched me out if XXB hadn't disappeared.
Anyway.
Short-in-short, you piss me off, Anti,

and I don't want to just imply that I'll break your legs or something

but we really should figure things out between us, because I'm not scum but I don't know what you are and you've been a royal pain in the ass for the whole game.

No, you're more likely scum because you stopped pushing for a wagon that could have ended in a lynch to turn around and go after me. The speed of my wagon never bothered you, you never stopped to ask why Hiplop, Elbirn, Xtoxm, and XXB were so gung-ho to join in my lynch, and you even post really

spear-chucker-tier comments

like '2 Mooooooore'.

You want a sensationalist lynch that gives no info.
You didn't care to stall out the lynch or wait for me to show up.

That's scummy.
That's also a shitty way to play with someone else.

I'll wait until you sign up for a game, then I'll lynch you before you get to post.
Oh wait, I won't, because I have common decency and I'm not a shithead.
Kill yourself.

Stop it.

NOW.

That is NOT ok.

You don't have the right to ruin this game for the rest of of us with your petty tantrum.

[Wake1]

alright...

well my will to play this game is gone.

Please don't replace out.

I don't know why he's freaking out. The Varsoon I know wouldn't do that.

I've reported his posts because they crossed the line.

[Wake1]

Also, some of my insults may or may not be crumbs. Did you ever think of that?

Now kindly unvote or come up with a better case than the shit-tier one on me.

Oh my, I said @Elbirn when I should have said @Wake.
Anyway.
Wake, I'll chill, but it doesn't help that Anti's play

does

piss me off.

Just shut your damned mouth and listen.

You don't get to talk to people like that. NO MATTER if you think it's game-related or NOT, go about a different way.

I don't give a fuck if his play pisses you off. There's a LOT of shit that pisses me off, too, but you don't see me sinking fucking low like you just did. You stop that NOW, back off, and take a break,

or I'll run you through

. You want to make crumbs? WRONG WAY. There's a certain you play Mafia, and you don't play it by behaving like a fucking piece of shit. Now you STOP,

now

.

[Wake1]

I'm a bit of a tight-arse.
You still fancy a warped/DGB thing? If so, whyso?

I'm not saying I wouldn't be willing to vote either.

I'd like to know, in 3 OR LESS sentences each, what makes either worth a push.

Also taking issue with Elbirn, BMR, hiplop, and Nic to a slight extent.

BMR and Warped are due for a prodding, too.

[Wake1]

dgb definitely.
ask me later about warped.

pepto is another one i need to look at eventually

Why?

[Wake1]

after nacho's push on hiplop, i'm pretty uninterested in pursuing a hiplop lynch

that's kinda' why i'm looking pepto's way now.

You discount Nacho's cleverness, do you? What if both he and hiplop are Scum? Try to be careful.

Anyways, I don't know much about Pepto, and am not too interested in him atm. There could be something there about the mssive/elli/DGB crumb thing, but I can't tell if it's a hint or not. It's not like Elli would out a guilty so early, right? He'd have to be vague. Maybe he was behaving like a crap player to add cover to make him not look like a Cop? I still want to know who and why someone was saying he was Insane. Tell me more about Warped.

[Wake1]

Can we all go back to DGB now then?

Why?

Elbirn has been looking better the last couple of pages, so I'm gonna vote for XXB as soon as he's out of his one day VLA

I thought he and Shiro were gone all of Day 3. And why are you saying it's a one day VLA again?

I like elbirn's reads. But he didn't say why he thought Warped was scum. So that's something I'd like to know

Cool. You like them. No explanation needed. Do

you

think Warped is Scum?

[Wake1]

Wake if you sit not voting until the final day without making a push of your own and then complain your choices are bad I will assume you to be scum.

I am considering casting a vote this time.

However, don't you dare think for one moment that your pining for me to cast a vote in any way makes you Town. I'm well aware of you trying to push me to vote, so consider yourself on notice.

[Wake1]

I want to know if Elli's supposed crumb on DGB is real.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

Let's see what happens.

[Wake1]

You know, Xtoxm, I don't get why you're voting Edgar.

Keep saying you want Nic dead, and talking shit about how he should be dead, yet you say 'good case' about Edgar and vote him when it's fucking convenient for you. What the fuck is up with that?

Look at your posts and tell me WHY I shouldn't have reservations about you.

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is instead of voting when it's popular?

Also I'm 90% sure elbrn is a lyncher.

Ya got me, my goal in life is to kill nic cage and it took me 1.9 day phases to pursue my win condition

Am I really the only person that wants nic dead? Nobody else?

I absolutely want Nic dead.

Also I'm 90% sure elbrn is a lyncher.

Ya got me, my goal in life is to kill nic cage and it took me 1.9 day phases to pursue my win condition

Am I really the only person that wants nic dead? Nobody else?

I absolutely want Nic dead.

So if I were to tell you that dgb is probbbabbbbly town, would you join me in my nic cage death crusade?

DGBs refusal to do anything is infuriating.

But, very well.

VOTE: Nic

Idk how anyone can iso Nic and not want him dead.

Xtoxm, what happened to your NicCage read?

all hes done all game is fucking prodge. its almost like hes rubbing it in our faces that he's doing nothing. and i dont see why i need to even point this out.

i still want nic dead, that hasn't changed.

This is what I wrote up after ISOing NicCage:

He's got a fair number of fluff posts. He asked Elli a question in post 737. I don't see an answer to this in Elli's ISO and Nic doesn't follow up on it. He asks random questions that pertain to the game (examples 1151, 1205, 1207) Post 1207 is to Massive. Massive responds in 1210 and answers the question to him in 1207 and also responsed to 1205. Nic never says anything about Massive's response, it looks like he just drops the topics. His last 5 or 6 posts are just thow-away posts that don't say much. In one post he agrees that Drixx hasn't done a lot and there were a few posts that seemed bad to Nic. (post 1623) Nic never posts a case on Drixx and in post 1994 says he thought Drixx was kinda suspicious but doesn't now and wants to hear from Drixx' replacement.

I can see Nic as scum trying to lurk along and just contribute enough to try and fool someone.

he's not scumhunting at all. he clearly doesn't care about the game. i've just seen a town game of his where he was WAY better than this (SU). pretty much all of his posts excluding the very start are either flat out prodges or trollish comments.

___

mmk good case

VOTE: Edgar

[Wake1]

Dgb is town because an insane cop got a guilty on his slot.

So riddle me this. Why has everyone asked "How does Elbirn know that Elli was insane?" but no one has asked "How does Elbirn know that Elli targeted DGB?"

Becaues the assumption that Eli was humdinger at a guilty requires that he targeted DGB.

Humdinger=Hinting
How do you even make an autocorrect that bad.

Dgb is town because an insane cop got a guilty on his slot.

So riddle me this. Why has everyone asked "How does Elbirn know that Elli was insane?" but no one has asked "How does Elbirn know that Elli targeted DGB?"

UHHHH

I'M PRETTY SURE MY PREVIOUS VOODOO SHIT LANDED ON EDOSURIT IS HE STILL IN THIS GAME.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

Elli came back after D2 start and still blind-voted Edo. If Elli got a result, that's the clue. No sense not exploring that path. It's not exactly like Edo or DGB have been bastions of towniness.

Dgb is town because an insane cop got a guilty on his slot.

So riddle me this. Why has everyone asked

"How does Elbirn know that Elli was insane?"

but no one has asked

"How does Elbirn know that Elli targeted DGB?"

UHHHH

I'M PRETTY SURE MY PREVIOUS VOODOO SHIT LANDED ON EDOSURIT IS HE STILL IN THIS GAME.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

Elli came back after D2 start and still blind-voted Edo. If Elli got a result, that's the clue. No sense not exploring that path. It's not exactly like Edo or DGB have been bastions of towniness.

The above quote fails to answer the very succinct question of WHERE THE HELL ARE YOU GETTING INSANE COP FROM!!!

Before you ask, phoneposting.

Not liking the aversion here. Bold needs an answer. Now.

Deciding whether to go honey badger or not.

[Wake1]

The wanting Nic dead was due to him doing nothing, anti brought up a good point on Edgar, I was left voting Nic alone so I hopped to the new wagon that I wanted to explore.

Nic then started posting good stuff, i'm actually not scumreading Nic anymore.

Edgar responded to his pressure with the kind of spam defense I expect from scum. I've seen town Varsoon a couple times in FF7 and Saki, when he generally felt pretty lost and scattergun. Here he's being very sophisticated and sure of himself.

Look at your posts and tell me WHY I shouldn't have reservations about you.

This is so much my town game it hurts. But we're always better at reading ourselves than other people hmm? You probably should have reservations, people scumreading me is pretty par for the course.

When someone shifts that quickly, gives me reason to be paranoid.

I don't think pursuing Varsoon is more important than looking at the DGB crumb left by Elli, as massive pointed out.

Maybe you should work on your Town game instead. Getting scumread as Town being par for the course isn't a good thing.

1) Why not pursue DGB crumb?
2) Is Nic being evasive?
3) Thoughts on Warped, Skybird, BMR?

[Wake1]

Also, how does Elbirn know that Elli was Insane?

[Wake1]

@Wake: I think it's a pretty obvious watcher/track soft.

Clarify this.

[Wake1]

UHHHH

I'M PRETTY SURE MY PREVIOUS VOODOO SHIT LANDED ON EDOSURIT IS HE STILL IN THIS GAME.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

Elli came back after D2 start and still blind-voted Edo. If Elli got a result, that's the clue. No sense not exploring that path. It's not exactly like Edo or DGB have been bastions of towniness.

This is our lead.

[Wake1]

He's saying that he knows that Elli visited DGB, right?
He's also trying to draw attention to the fact people aren't asking about that or taking it into consideration.

So are you implying Elbirn is a Tracker or Watcher, and that he's trying to draw attention to the possibility of Elli being Insane?

Vagueness doesn't suit you.

[Wake1]

I want a gift, too.

[Wake1]

Because I don't think that's a crumb. I think that's a statement based on edgars previous posts to that. (Edgar slots makes a push on xtoxm, then re evaluates and says some townie things. Then elli comments with what you quoted above.)

Tldr it doesn't look like a crumb, it looks like an evaluation of what edgar had just done.

Dgb and edgar aren't good wagons and I wish we had more time. I want a hiplop lynch.

VOTE: Hiplop

Tell me again why hiplop over DGB and Edgar?

And, if you read the thread, you'd know Elli voted for Edo/DGB before end of Day 1. Being Cop, it's likely he investigated the slot Night 1. Why do you think he voted for them Day 2 and stayed there? Why did he mention voodoo shit on the slot, and why didn't he sound too happy when DGB replaced Edos?

If DGB flips mafia, I'm going to pursue you.

Also, you still haven't explained why Elli was Insane.

[Wake1]

BECAUSE HE'S FUCKING INSANE I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT WOULD YOU STOP FISHING MY FUCKING ROLE YOU FUCKING FUCKS

FUCK

Hey, you brought it up.

Don't say stuff without evidence and then whine when you get called out on it.

[Wake1]

I want to know if Elli's supposed crumb on DGB is real.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

Let's see what happens.

This guy is scum.

VOTE: Wake88

You can still lynch me though. Just lynch Wake88 tomorrow.

massive is also superscum.

Scum: massive & Wake88

Yeah. Both people looking into what looks like Elli's guilty crumb on you are Scum.

Uh-huh.

Liking where my vote is at right now. All you do is flail when pressured.

[Wake1]

DrippingGoofball

Day 1 ended with Brain's lynch at 1567. Ellibereth, Town Cop, unvotes and votes for Edo/DGB before Day 1 ended; 1081.

Then, Day 2, this:

who the fuck is edo's slot right now

oh fk it's still him

VOte: Edo

nacho lemme convince you wait

I think that Elli was gunning for Elli's slot by the end of Day 1, and that he was a Cop, and that he cast and kept his vote on DGB at the start of Day 2 until he was lynched. It's likely the Cop, having already been voting for Edo/DGB Day 1, decided to investigate this target that night, which may explain why his one and only vote at the start of Day 2 was Edo/DGB. Doesn't that make sense to some of you? We've got the Cop, going after someone, going after that person even harder on Day 2. Let's not play dumb and placated here. I think we can connect some of the dots here.

YO THE KID THAT PUT UP THE WALL NEEDS TO LEARN WHAT LURKING MEANS.
HINT: NOT LOW ACTIVITY.

OKAY ANYWAY

UHHHH

I'M PRETTY SURE MY PREVIOUS VOODOO SHIT LANDED ON EDOSURIT IS HE STILL IN THIS GAME.

Let's analyze this for a sec.

The Town Cop is talking about his voodoo shit. Shit that landed on Edos. And then he wonders why Edos is still in the game.

We know Ellibereth isn't Insane, because there's no mention of 'Insane' in his role when he died and flipped; that's why I don't trust the BS being flung around. I think he's implying that the Edos slot is Scum.

OH FK DGB REPLACED HIM RIP

Doesn't seem happy that DGB has replaced Edos.

Not. One. Bit.

___

He's a Cop. It's not like he can outright claim a guilty Day 2 when there are other Scum that haven't been identified.

DGB's behavior has some importance to it, too. She voted for herself yet again in 2614, like she's exasperated or frustrated. If you're Town, why would you do that? It's stupid. Then she's implying to massive that either me or Elli are trolls; like that's going to make the questions go away. Elli's a cretinwith a trollcrumb, according to her. She's Town, but apparently she's raring and ready to hang just because. Now that I look at it, she's calling hiplop and Elbirn Town, after those two both opine that she's Town. Those that question her she calls Scum. That smells rotten to me.

Her vote against me in 2617 because I voted her because I want to know if the crumb is true is the very definition of an OMGUS. You OMGUS'd, DGB. How about you actually engage me on this instead of reacting like that. Skybird was right when she said you were being reactionary. Where's your substance? Apparently massive is superscum, because why not. He brought up Elli's crumb. You flip-flopped on Xtoxm in 2618 and 2619; you can take a few minutes explaining your erratic behavior. You haven't provided ANY reason whatsoever for why me and massive are Scum. I want to see your reasoning, instead of your flippant reactions.

Also, poring through your ISO, I want to know exactly how you went from this...

VOTE: Hiplop

I haven't read the game.

DGB, vote hiplop.
Anti, time to move back.

K

VOTE: hiplop

What a great performance by Elli

NOT

VOTE: hiplop

...to this.

Hiplop is not scum.

Hiplop is town.

In short, I think Elli got a guilty on DGB, and I don't buy the tripe about him being Insane. I'm thinking that's a lie, because there was no damned mention of an Insane Town Cop when he flipped. All she's doing is reacting angrily without giving any rhyme or reason. Why is Elli a cretin with a trollcrumb? Why are the people thinking you're Town are automatically Town, and those questioning you are Scum? You've flip-flopped more than once in this game, which tells me your stance changes whichever way the wind blows. You know what, I don't think that comes from a Town mindset. If you're Town you don't give much of a fuck about self-preservation; you hold true to your convictions and you don't give a damn if your words irk people.

[Wake1]

Vote count:

Xiao Xiao Buns (1) Warped
Hiplop (1), Edgar Allan Pro
drippingGoofball (1) Ellibereth
Ellibereth (10) skybird, Lizard_Buttock, BlueMoonRising, Nachomamma8, Peptobislawl, niccage, xxb, spiffeh, anti, Hiplop
Niccage (4) Elbirn, xtoxm

Not voting:
wake, massive,

With 18 alive it will take 10 to lynch
Deadline: (expired on 2015-09-28 08:15:00)

Looking for replacement for Lizard.

A lynch has been reached.
Please stand by.

Does anyone know where DGB's vote was when Elli got hammered?

[Wake1]

LOL you obviously didn't read my iso because I did explain how I went from "this" to "this."

In any even it's clear to me that this game has been irreparably compromised by a troll. I realize that you, as scum, must exploit this. If I were scum I would it to.

Stop avoiding and explain yourself for once. Don't point to your ISO. Talk to me directly, in my face. You're better than this.

All you do is call Elli a troll. What if it's true that you really are Scum and he really did get a guilty on you? What else do you say besides calling him a cretin and a troll? Yeah, and you weakly try to call me Scum because, huzzah, I'm pointing this shit out. Instead of flailing, I expect someone with your level of experience to actually get into the game and defend herself from Elli's crumb on you.

You've done NOTHING to refute me. Either you're feeling desperate, you no longer give a crap, or you know you're caught. If you're Town knock it the fuck off and get with the program.

[Wake1]

So no one's ready to check on the Elli crumb yet?

Pointing it out, and suddenly have, what, 3-4 votes on me.

Yeah, that's not weird. At all.

[Wake1]

So no one's ready to check on the Elli crumb yet?

Pointing it out, and suddenly have, what, 3-4 votes on me.

Yeah, that's not weird. At all.

LOL stop calling it a "crumb" - I am town, so it's not a crumb. He wasn't even playing the game.

Right, and in Mafia when people say they're Town we just believe them.

Who are you to say he wasn't playing the game?

It'd be one thing if he was a VT, but he was a Cop. Could have been trying to avoid being killed.

If you are Scum, of course you're going to downplay it as much as you can!

[Wake1]

Are you trying to convince me I am scum??? LOL you are soooooooooooooo scum.

Stop taking my words out of context.

[Wake1]

Feeling paranoid because there's three votes on XXB and

not one shred of reason

why.

[Wake1]

Not feeling comfortable voting Skybrd, Antihero, or XXB today. Forgot Pepto was here, don't have much from Shiro, massive needs to engage more. I feel less trusting of Warped, Nic, Xtxom, and BMR. Elbirn engages; I'd like to know why he's voting XXB. I'm not comfortable with voting XXB and won't. He wasn't even in the game last Day much because of whatever happened that made him go away. I do not trust the setup spec bit one god-damned bit and it needs to stop.

[Wake1]

Nic, please, could you tell me why XXB?

[Wake1]

I think what we should do is look through Edgar's ISO and see who he was reading. He was likely looking for Scum while trying to blend in. We can compare his reads to ours.

It's getting late; I can't dive into his ISO right now. Tomorrow I can. See you guys tomorrow.

[Wake1]

Wake give me one reason why my flavour specs are bad so far ALL evidence point to them mattering.

I'm willing to listen, but only because of what my flavor says. Not sure exactly if flavor plays a role in the game but if it does I'm feeling a bit unnerved, and thinking I should at least share my role's flavor.

But first, can you show me how exactly the flavor relates to the flips?

I'm beginning to think flavor

does

play a role, at least a little, and we all should start claiming flavor. Especially if what my role's flavor says is true.

[Wake1]

Fine.

What my flavor says is that the Devil—a singular entity—is among us, and I need to hunt him down and stop him.

Flavor: You kept prisoner the devil but this time you think the devil is out there and he is among the town and you must stop him

Brother Jerome. The Howling Man.

[Wake1]

Either it plays no role, and is therefore harmless, or does play a role, and should be quieted by Scum.

Elbirn, Shiro has a point. Please read 2726 and share what you think about it. Tell me you don't see a pattern here.

If that's right, and my flavor has a bearing on this game, then someone playing Satan is in this game, too, and we need to stop it.

[Wake1]

Except, if you were listening to me, I was told it was a singular entity. Singular. It's

not

the Alien. This means besides the Mafia there's another Scum out there. If flavor has a role, even slightly, this is pretty damned important. You need to acknowledge this, Elbirn.

[Wake1]

Except, if you were listening to me, I was told it was a singular entity. Singular. It's

not

the Alien. This means besides the Mafia there's another Scum out there. If flavor has a role, even slightly, this is pretty damned important. You need to acknowledge this, Elbirn.

How do you know it wasn't the Alien? That was a single slot, ie single entity.

I agree with Elbirn that flavor claiming isn't the best idea right now.

It said 'the Devil.' Satan. That one doesn't have a ship.

[Wake1]

I just realised the SK quiet listener role probably means he had secret access to the hood. So it's possible the 5 neighbors are all town.

Wait.

Why would you say that?

Him being able to listen has

no

bearing on their alignments.

It means squat. For all we know one or more of them could be Scum. We can't know that for sure.

[Wake1]

So, how exactly do you know about the devil? Can you paraphrase?

I can quote my role flavor directly.

'

Flavor: You kept prisoner the devil but this time you think the devil is out there and he is among the town and you must stop him

'

I'm more inclined to think the devil thing is just flavor and not necessarily game information. (IE, it doesn't point to a singular 3rd party) What ability does that statement give you? And your name, The Howling Man, makes me think you might be insane.

Shiro's ability to remove himself and another from the game does make sense with her flavor claim. But the ability doesn't give info on alignment. In my mind claiming flavor is just giving scum the opportunity to figure out who looks the most threatening and start NKing those people.

...

Look at the flips so far and tell me there's absolutely no correlation whatsoever. I'm not saying I have an ability, Skybird; I'm saying what my flavor says, and that my role PM tells me that there's a singular entity, the Devil, that I need to hunt down and stop. Feeling a little paranoid that you're asking me about abilities now, but I'm willing to write that off as innocent. My name is Brother Jerome. The episode is The Howling Man. Watch the episode.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/440813

All I am saying is that if flavor has even some basis in the game, then the Devil is loose among the Town, and it's not on a team. It's by itself, and it's not the Alien. This is possible, and we need to be aware just in case.

[Wake1]

Just random thoughts as I try and put together my brain this morning.

Wake

: I know you have a penchant for getting distracted, but in a bastard game like this, do you think it's optimal for us to be hunting down some unknown seemingly-non-killing potential third party rather than focus on scum? Did you consider the fact that your role PM might just be lying to you?

Edgar was shooting at the neighborhood on N3. I kinda want to look back at Edgar's posts to figure out if he thought he was shooting town or scum, since it now appears he had inside info on the neighbors. (Or at least MORE info.)

I have never played a bastard game before.

All I know is that there's some correlation between our abilities/alignments and flavor. It is not concrete, but there

is

something to it. The Doctor flavor really was a Doc. The evil Alien really was evil. I can't just ignore the pattern.

Can we not let XXB slip away for a 4th day? He was counter wagon to town lynches on D1&2, and would have been D3 if not for the spaceship.

So that's why he's Scum?

[Wake1]

I've got an oral exam today, so I have to thoroughly answer fifteen questions in a span of 30 minutes. Then, Friday, work.

Soon I'll play some more. Definitely Saturday. For now I'm on LA [not V/LA] until Saturday morn.

As for my reads, I don't buy XXB being Scum. Warped needs to get his ass in here. Nic does, too, and I'm not comfortable with how he's been coasting. Skybird asks good questions, and I feel she might be Town, it just feels like she's being really cautious; yeah, I am paranoid. BMR engages, but he's not all that good on the uptake, so maybe that's indicative of him being Town, or maybe he's trying to feign looking like he's making mistakes to appear sincerely Town. Shiro I like playing with, but I don't know him [her?] well enough to know the meta; how smooth Shiro is when Scum I do not know. Antihero, Xtoxm, and massive are Townreads, but don't think for one second I've ruled them out. I'm not stupid, and I know damned well I've been screwed by experienced Scum who know how to fuck with me and get me to trust them. Pepto and Elbirn are more in the middle of the list; I need to look through their ISOs.

If flavor has a role in this game, then I think it's possible the Devil is in this game, and is a secret Scum entity. It told me it was singular. Granted, it's not certain that's the case. Rod didn't rule out secret win conditions, either, so I don't know at this point. Right now I'm content with focusing on finding the remaining Mafia, but if it does turn out the the Devil is in this game, and it wins, I'll be, you know, sorta kinda pissed with more, and more than the usual sort. I can see myself rolling up a newspaper and closing in on some of these people.

[Wake1]

Lol wake why do you even bother trying to call me out at this point, you obviously don't care about how I'm playing or what my reads are

Well, it is true that I don't particularly care for your line of playing.

As for you, the only thing I really care about is sorting you out.

If you're going to be more active today, then maybe I can get some use out of you, as in getting you to actually engage more.

For starters I'd like to know who you are and aren't willing to lynch at this moment, and then we can work from there.

[Wake1]

Lol wake why do you even bother trying to call me out at this point, you obviously don't care about how I'm playing or what my reads are

Well, it is true that I don't particularly care for your line of playing.

As for you, the only thing I really care about is sorting you out.

If you're going to be more active today, then maybe I can get some use out of you, as in getting you to actually engage more.

For starters I'd like to know who you are and aren't willing to lynch at this moment, and then we can work from there.

You should already have some idea of who I'm willing to lynch and who I'm not so interested in.

Here are my current townreads: Shiro, elbirn, and antihero

I'm interested in lynching you and XXB, currently

Everyone else who knows

Once I have the time to read through your posts, I'll have a better idea. At least you're showing your paranoia towards me, which does make me think you could be Town. More than a few times, in past games, I've been screwed over by Scum who decided it was better to not shove suspicion my way, and leave me alive. Now that I think about it, I'm feeling more paranoid about those players who aren't showing paranoid towards me, like they should be if they're actually Town who don't know who is and isn't Town. Your Townreads haven't done much to engage me; so, trying to chew this over, either they really do Townread me, or at least one of them could be more than happy to leave me around for late game. Look at Edgar for one moment. Look at his interaction with me. He not once poked at me, like he was content with leaving me around. I know I'm not a bad Town player, and it does kind of piss me off when Scum think I'm a bad player and try to leave me around because they think they can capitalize on my perceived stupidity for their advantage. Massive, for example, didn't refrain from engaging me and behaving like an actual Townie, which does put him higher on my list as Town. If you look at my past games, there is that pattern of Scum doing this crap to me.

I get that you want me lynched. If you want to explain why you've got the floor. Go for it. What's more important to me is why you think XXB is an acceptable lynch target, because I'm

not

Scumreading him. Would you be willing to at least explain why you're reading him that way? He's not getting my vote today, because he's one of the few players that seems to actually give a damn. What do you think about massive?

[Wake1]

@Wake, Want to pull an SRage gambit?

I don't know what that is.

[Wake1]

Wait.

Scarlet Rage. I remember that as an account of Titus's.

I know who Titus is, but I don't know the gambit.

[Wake1]

Wake says he doesn't buy XXB being scum, but he doesn't say why. This kind of attitude just helps XXB continue doing what he is doing beat the town. I could definitely see a Wake/XXB scum team, as Wake did fight a lot with DGB leading up to her lynch.

If you were reading my posts, you'd know that's not true. What is it exactly that makes XXB Town? What, because he was a counter-wagon to Town lynches Days 2 and 3? So what? That means

nothing

. And with DGB I really did think Elli had a guilty on her; what the hell else was he talking about when he mentioned having voodoo shit on her slot. And then he flips Cop. It didn't help one bit how she was OMGUS'ing like a schizophrenic rattler on speed, either.

[Wake1]

Elli got a guilty on dgb, but I see him as insane, but I myself am backwards, so his guilty is an innocent is a guilty.

And DGB flipped Town, so not guilty.

So, can you tell me anything more about this Truth Teller role, please?

[Wake1]

Alright guys I need you to bear with me please. I just had a hellish 12-hr day today, got a bit drunk with my coworkers tonight with lemon drop vodka shots, and I have to get up bright and early to do it all over again. If anyone objects you can kiss you my right muscular cheek. I haven't been able to get to this game but I'm gonna and there's a lot of things that are bothering me and I can't get to them right now because its really late and I'm tired. Give it time and I'll be back. Don't do anything stupid yet okay? Wait for me.

[Wake1]

At this point voting for anyone besides Pepto or XXB would be a lost cause.

I don't believe that XXB is Scum, but I also don't see the case on Pepto.

[Got an A on my exams! ]

[Wake1]

I'd be more comfortable voting for Elbirn.

Anyone else notice his last posts? Come on.

VOTE: Elbirn

[Wake1]

Elbirn is the better lynch!

[Wake1]

Wake, I agree that Elbirn's posts have been bad lately. But it's a little late to push that wagon. How strongly do you feel Elbirn is scum? Can you throw up more of a case that his posting lately sucks?

You know I don't think it's ever too late so long as you really believe in yourself and what you're doing. And if it doesn't happen well at least you've tried.

I've got a few thoughts on Elbirn right now, and it's just how I feel at the moment about him and his claim. I ran a Large Normal game a while ago. There were four Jack-of-all-Trades. Three were Town, and one wasn't. What I'm saying is that I feel paranoid about there being two claimed Truth Tellers both being Town. We know one is dead, and flipped Town. This does not automatically make Elbirn Town but it sure as hell makes me feel a little nervous about it.

What I really don't like is how you Elbirn just went and voted Xiao and it was just a naked vote. You can at least share why, can't you? I mean who do you think you're fooling, here? Obviously you pretend to not give a shit about the game yet here you still are voting and yawning at the same time. I don't buy that kind of crap. And you just want someone killed because shit deadline is coming, yet what have you done? I don't like it because it feels like you just want someone dead and you're not truly wanting to figure who's who. At least tell me why you're doing what you're doing.

Granted, though you were on the PB lynch Day 1 you were on Nic Day 2, and both of us were on DGB Day 3. Now that I think about it I'd like to see which players have most been on all three completed wagons. Huh.

But yeah I don't like this devil-may-care attitude where you want someone dead while not doing any of the heavy lifting yourself.

[Wake1]

Everything's peachy over here, don't vote me

VOTE: NicCage

I've got your ass, motherfucker.

[Wake1]

So here's the deal. I am fucking busy. Just went through four 12-hour days. I'm reading through the pages right now. My knee is fucking throbbing and I am really in

no

god-damn mood to pick a fight with some paranoid bitch right now. I can see flavor has NO bearing alignment right now. BUT, we had two kills last night. You tell me what I should think about that, and that my role PM, and I quote: 'You kept prisoner the devil but this time you think the devil is out there and he is among the town and you must stop him.' I am fucking Town right now, so don't even

try

to mess with me you fuckers. I think this Devil thing might be real; either that or there's another Scum or some sort of killing role out there. That and my balls itch, because apparently there's something in the lemonade gatorade my body ain't taking well to. I'm itchy, bitchy, and twitchy, so make my day, motherfuckers. AND DON'T rush to any fucking decisions before I have a chance to fucking talk, OK?

[Wake1]

Wake, are you planning on coming back and saying whatever it is you want to say?

I hope everyone noticed that the mod stated we only have 7 days to lynch this day phase. (see post 3040)

I am, but I'm not going to be rushed, either. It's 9pm over here and I have to get up very early tomorrow for yet another 12-hr shift on the hospital floor.

I'll get to it when I get to it, and if you don't like it then too bad. My personal life and work schedule comes first. Thursday I have off. I don't have the time or the energy for this game right now especially if people are going to ignore me. My time has value. I'll share some thoughts soon, maybe tonight, but I will not be rushed to play when other priorities in my life come first. I hope that is clear.

What I will say is that flavor doesn't have any value when it comes to alignment now. What I did notice was that Shiro kept defending the Neighborhood. That much is clear. I would be willing to cast a vote for Shiro today. I'm not willing to yet until I've read through some of the later pages, just to get a better grasp of what's going on.

[Wake1]

Wake, read the game man. I already stated I took out BMR with a vig shot. I have already flavor claimed so you can see I am not the devil.

It's already been established that flavor has no bearing on alignment. However, it is possible that the Devil role does exist, and is Scum. You vigging BMR does not, in a Bastard game, mean that you are clear and mod-confirmed Town at this point. No matter what that must be said, because this is not a Normal game. Now that I think about it, with this game being Bastard, Farside could have made it so that

some

of the flavor roles correlate to alignments, and some don't. Also, people can lie. Please pardon me for using caution when you vocalize that you already flavor claimed and therefore cannot be the Devil.

I think it's a tool you can use but it's not going to hand you scum.

yeah it's a "tool" alright...

a tool for fools

And I don't believe this one bit. VCA, like PoE, aren't 100%, but they help.

Not really. Drixx is someone who prides himself on having an extremely low replace-out record. There has to be a reason. I don't appreciate being dismissed as tinfoil hat.

If anything your paranoia makes me more comfortable thinking that you're Town.

[Wake1]

I'm feeling pretty fucking paranoid right now. Some I trust more than others, but everyone has two sides, and that there are reasons to both trust and distrust each player here. As a Gemini, I am always in a state of two minds. For one I do find it odd how Shiro guarded the hood, but I also know that doesn't mean he's Scum. I'm willing to leave Shiro alive today because I feel like he was set up, like it's too obvious. I don't know enough about peptobislawl, and Skybird feels like she's engaging, but is a little cagey, as in a little too subtly careful with her wordings for comfort. I don't like the massive push, and I'm alright with Elbirn staying around. Nic is fucking hard to read. I need to reread Xtoxm's ISO; as it is right now I'm refraining from voting him. Even if it is true that massive had zero interaction with the other Scum that does NOT mean he's Scum, and if that's the main reason for voting him then it's stupid as hell.

[Wake1]

By all mean Xtoxm share with everyone loud and clear what you're doing. Personally I don't know what to make of the no-kill but I'm thinking maybe a night action may have stopped it. I don't know. Can people explain to me again why massive was lynched? Xtoxm you need to explain yourself right now, because I'm not going to tolerate any more weak reasoning on your part.

Currently we've got eight people alive.

Antihero
Elbirn
NicCage
Peptobislawl
Shiro
Skybird
Wake88
Xtoxm

*Do we assume there's only one Scum left?
**If we do, we all need to cast our top three picks, from weakest to strongest Scumread, and then give an explanation.

[Wake1]

thought she was a vig

was hoping to be shot to save me from a drawn out lynching

oh well

Are you going to answer me?

[Wake1]

Can people explain to me again why massive was lynched?

massive lurked hard the whole game, spent almost the entire game not voting and never voted scum.

whereas im the only person in this game that's lead a scum lynch

Reread 3200. And I'm not liking your last sentence one bit, and I think you know why. You leading a lynch on Scum doesn't mean one damned bit that you're Town, so don't even try it because I'll cut you off at the pass. Time for you to back-track on that.

[Wake1]

Can people explain to me again why massive was lynched?

massive lurked hard the whole game, spent almost the entire game not voting and never voted scum.

whereas im the only person in this game that's lead a scum lynch

Reread 3200. And I'm not liking your last sentence one bit, and I think you know why. You leading a lynch on Scum doesn't mean one damned bit that you're Town, so don't even try it because I'll cut you off at the pass. Time for you to back-track on that.

yeah nothing means anything lets just roll dice

Acknowledge that you're wrong instead of trying to squirm your way out of this. You're the one who tried to impress me by saying you're the only person in the game that lead a lynch on Scum, as if it's important. So the fuck what? That don't make you Town.

[Wake1]

lol

trying to impress you

lol

just cut to it and vote me

I haven't made up my mind whether you're Scum or just an idiot.

If you're an idiot, you might be Town, so please forgive my due diligence.

[Wake1]

Elbirn, NicCage, Skybird, I need your thoughts.

[Wake1]

Guys, countdown is ticking. Everyone should give their top three Scumreads from least to greatest and at least some reason for it.

I'll start:

04)

Elbirn.

Not comfortable assuming he's Town. A tad anxious at the thought of two Town Truth Tellers being kosher. It has to be said. Also, feeling a little paranoid over you asking if anyone suspects you. Just... really?

03)

Peptobislawl.

Not sure if he's trying to lurk through this game. Where'd you go?

02)

Shiro.

Only because he did defend the Neighborhood, and the rest of them were Scum. Doesn't mean he is, but come on, I'm not stupid.

01)

Xtoxm.

Made it sound that because he lead a lynch on Scum he must be Town, which is crap as hell. Still won't answer my 3200 for reasons on why he's voting me, in fucking detail. Haven't decided yet if he's worth lynching today or not.

[Wake1]

I've seen elbrn's truth teller PMs so I trust him. Didn't you get one of those, wake? I don't believe we ever saw what it said.

I never received one from the moderator, which is another reason I feel a little uneasy.

[Wake1]

*Sigh*

So I've been prodded.

Working and schooling and exercising, yo.

What's up?

[Wake1]

Out of everyone on my wagon, I trust elbrn the most.
According to his report, I'm a vanilla town with no hidden shenanigans.
Look into xtoxm and skybird tommorow.

yes, the person that vigged scum

we'll do that.

=======[]

Anti, could you tell me more where you stand on this current wagon? At the moment I'm assuming there's one Scum left, and I want more input from you just so I can have a better sense of your alignment. What do you think the main reasons behind Pepto's wagon are? I don't know who the last Scum is, it's been nothing but a fucking bitch trying to pick at this when I don't really have that much time to commit. Are you sure Skybird is Town IYE? I'm gonna read over the last few pages to try and grapple more with these developments.

[Wake1]

So... I'm thinking things need to be said, because other people aren't bringing them up.

Let's say Elbirn really is a Truth Teller, and that he can target a player and learn if he or she has any bastardy in his or her role PM.

Okay. Does that mean he's Town? I'm not comfortable at all with people assuming he's Town because he has this ability. At all.

Not saying you're Scum, but I'm definitely not going to assume you're Town over it either. Also you said in 3232 that you had a reason for your question. Could you share it please?

[Wake1]

Xtoxm, I'm giving you an opportunity to list the points of your case. Then after that I'm going to tell you why you're wrong as Hell.

If there's one thing I'll give you, it's your paranoia, which makes me think you're more Town than Scum.

[Wake1]

Well..#3284 lists some good points against you.

There's also the fact you've spent almost all of the game not voting which makes me suspect you. As town i'm generally much quicker to vote than when i'm scum.

I get that you're busy RL but when you do show up i'm not seeing any urgency or willingness to bring the day to a pro-town conclusion. Even now, we're ~24h from deadline and you still haven't placed a vote.

Let me bring you up to speed.

I work like a fucking madman. When I post here, it's because I don't feel too psychotically fucking tired to post after 15 draining hours taking care of work, studying, and exercising my sculpted ass off. If you're Scum you've got some fucking nerve trying to bring in your weak-ass bullshit in here and hoping it sticks. And if you're Town well, God damn, maybe I like you because you're a paranoid son of a bitch and Scum don't do that all that well. Newsflash: I haven't voted much this game because I BUSY. It's not like I haven't read SOME of the thread. It's that I don't like fuck-ups, and whoever the last Scum is is a real fucking bastard who's blending in well. And another thing: I'm Town but I'm not fucking YOU. Oh, well, cognitively I am, but you get the POINT. I don't quite buy this Pepto lynch, like I didn't fucking buy one or two of the other lynches. You know why? Because I didn't FEEL it.

Whoever the last Scum is I

don't know

. What I can do is try to question people more so I can at least get an in-the-moment grasp on where these motherfuckers are on the alignment spectrum. You I feel right now are more Townish strictly because you're paranoid as Hell. I'm feeling anxious about Skybird, because it feels like she's trying really hard to be calm and look Town. Anti I don't know either, and Nic. If anything, what really makes me worry are those players who AREN'T casting any sort of suspicion against me at all, like what the fuck. I'm gonna look through the last Day and maybe the one before and see who's conveniently staying silent about me.

[Wake1]

I don't get this game.

What I will say is that I'm open to voting NicCage now, because he knows that I was joking about the Elli hammer. I was joking about it because it was a fucking joke that he got ten votes in that spanse of time. You want to twist into being something other than it is. Town doesn't do that. They don't twist shit.

Actually, I'm OK with this.

VOTE: NicCage

[Wake1]

Elbirn, talk to me about NicCage.

I

do not

like what he just said.

[Wake1]

the pr that's been outed since day 2 is still alive

JEEZ THAT DOESN'T POINT TO DETACHED, HEAD-UP-ASS SCUM. NOT ONE BIT.

Wait, are you meaning Elbirn?

[Wake1]

I think Wake is a good place to start with my town reads.

VOTE: Wake

Why shouldn't I vote you Wake?

You won't keep your vote on me because you're smart enough to see that that kill was done deliberately to make you think I'm worthy of being lynched.

It's nothing but a setup, and I'm hoping that if you really are Town you'd find it in yourself to believe me.

[Wake1]

How do you know that? I have two other people that I am town reading as well. The same argument could be made for them too. Why are you town Wake?

I'm Town because my Role PM says so.

Who do you think you are voting me out of the blue like this and then asking me why you shouldn't vote me as if you have any damned good reason of your own?

Now my fucking interest is piqued, and I want you to answer me on this clearly Skybird.

[Wake1]

I just got back from the gym. Calm your tits.

I'm thinking Shiro because he protected the Scum in the Hood. I don't fucking know, so if that's not good enough for me to definitively tell you who the Scum is then you can insert an oblong object up into your Sigmoid colon.

And as for you, you immediately went for me once Nic died and flipped. Way too fucking quick. If Shiro is not Scum, I will come for you next.

VOTE: Shiro

[Wake1]

Wake what did my truth teller say?

That my ability only works 50% of the time.

[Wake1]

I can.

I am a Roleblocker.

A Town Roleblocker.

Make of that what you will.

[Wake1]

I have to leave for work.

Don't do anything stupid while I'm gone.

[Wake1]

I'm back from the gym.

Basically, yeah, I'm a Town Roleblocker, and I've been told last night that my ability only works 50% of the time.

I targeted Antihero Night 5, and Skybird Night 6. Only after Night 6 did I learn through a message that my ability has a 50% chance of failing.

Two things that need to be said right now: 1) Though I targeted Anti Night 5 that does not automatically make him Scum. 2) My ability may not have even hit. 3) I don't know what happened or what Scum may have decided.

I get that some of you don't particularly trust the idea of a Town Roleblocker but, then again, I don't particularly trust the idea of two Town Truth Tellers, either. I kept quiet because I wasn't sure he was Scum, and I didn't feel like role-claiming yet.

[Wake1]

.....oh fuck wake you are scum aren't you?

See, now you're just being paranoid. It the sig, isn't it?

At this moment I don't trust Shiro, not sure about Anti, and I don't buy one bit that you must be Town because of your role. Pretty damned sure Scum could also have a role that tells people whether they have Bastard stuff in their role PM or not. Your role has absolutely no bearing on alignment! Neither does mine. So basically we're back at square one.

[Wake1]

Wake, don't be a jerk. I already stated that I'm puzzled that I am still alive. I also stated I thought it was because I was town reading the last scum.

That was an interesting choice for a night kill. Several people were scum reading him so I would think that NicCage would have been left alive. And why am I still alive?

Makes me think that someone I am town reading is really scum

.

You, Anti, and Shiro are all town reads for me. Of the three, you look more scummy because you haven't pushed on anyone lately. And don't use the RL excuse. We all get that you are busy. I'm busy too. But the above quote is right here on this page. Did you not read it?

I don't care one bit that you don't like how busy I am; I wouldn't be surprised one bit if one of my Townreads was Scum, either. That's what Scum do. They blend in and try to make themselves look like something they aren't. What I don't fucking get is that in spite of you saying I'm your weakest Townread,

you're still voting for a Townread.

If you were genuine you'd skip the placid bullshit and not call me a Townread if you're voting me.

[Wake1]

Two things that need to be said right now: 1) Though I targeted Anti Night 5 that does not automatically make him Scum. 2) My ability may not have even hit. 3) I don't know what happened or what Scum may have decided.

Do you think there is any reason the scum might have no killed?

Well, honestly, I don't want to sound like a paranoid asshat.

[Wake1]

See wake my issue with your claim is that if you're telling the truth you damn near had a guilty on anti and you didn't out it.

Yeah scum could have no killed, but that's information town needs to have because it's reasonable to assume anti scum. That's the kind of thing that needs to be revealed before a lylo situation so we can sort it out.

I alone decide when I do things.

And I don't buy that there are two Scum left. It's likely only one remains.

Yesterday I could have claimed, but I feel more comfortable now, and now you know what happened.

If that is not good enough for you, honestly I don't care. If you want to debate it in the future, I don't mind.

[Wake1]

See wake my issue with your claim is that if you're telling the truth you damn near had a guilty on anti and you didn't out it.

Yeah scum could have no killed, but that's information town needs to have because it's reasonable to assume anti scum. That's the kind of thing that needs to be revealed before a lylo situation so we can sort it out.

I alone decide when I do things.

And I don't buy that there are two Scum left. It's likely only one remains.

Yesterday I could have claimed, but I feel more comfortable now, and now you know what happened.

If that is not good enough for you, honestly I don't care. If you want to debate it in the future, I don't mind.

If I'm speaking to town wake, your devil may care attitude is all fine and well, but town is a team and we need to work together to play optimally. I am of the opinion that optimal play would have been to out that when it happened, and now we're in an uncertain situation. :/

I get that. I've been fucking busy. I am not going to write you a story about what the hell has been going on these last few weeks.

Forgive me for not paying attention. I'm trying not to be a prick, and yeah I am frustrated that I haven't had much time to play this game, but god damn it I know I'm Town and I'm NOT going to be steam-rolled like this because I didn't play up to the level of someone who has the time to constantly be here.

Making a fucking mistake doesn't make me Scum. By now ALL of us in this game should know this by now.

[Wake1]

So where is everyone? What the fuck. Time is wasting!

[Wake1]

Shiro, Elbirn, ball's in your court.

[Wake1]

I'm back from the gym.

Basically, yeah, I'm a Town Roleblocker, and I've been told last night that my ability only works 50% of the time.

I targeted Antihero Night 5, and Skybird Night 6. Only after Night 6 did I learn through a message that my ability has a 50% chance of failing.

Two things that need to be said right now: 1) Though I targeted Anti Night 5 that does not automatically make him Scum. 2) My ability may not have even hit. 3) I don't know what happened or what Scum may have decided.

I get that some of you don't particularly trust the idea of a Town Roleblocker but, then again, I don't particularly trust the idea of two Town Truth Tellers, either. I kept quiet because I wasn't sure he was Scum, and I didn't feel like role-claiming yet.

Do you not think it's suspicious that when you role-blocked Anti, there was no kill? You didn't even know that your ability had a 50% chance of failing then.

It did sound suspicious, but like I said I didn't feel comfortable with outing my role yet.

I can see your point though.