Prozac's Basic Theme 4 - Murder in Marlowe - OVER!

[Papa Zito]

hello mollie how are you today

That's great I'm playing another mafia game cuz I have issues dealing with peer pressure.

[Papa Zito]

Reck voted me

Should we quicklynch him y/Y?

[Papa Zito]

VOTE: Reck

choochoo

[Papa Zito]

what makes you think this is an RVS wagon

[Papa Zito]

Coug why are you ignoring the wagon on scum

[Papa Zito]

Can you prove that he's not scum right now?

[Papa Zito]

No more than you can prove that he is.

I have some excellent, irrefutable evidence tho.

Do you similarly have some excellent, irrefutable evidence?

[Papa Zito]

^look at this guy trying to start a reck counterwagon

[Papa Zito]

mollie i thought u were hydraing with frog

we were and now we aren't.

is it bc you got scum and froggy didn't want to play scum w/ you?

guys

guys

look at this

and think about what's being asked here

[Papa Zito]

man why did you two have to go and ruin it

[Papa Zito]

This is like a straight old school game.....me, Reck, SC, CDB, CKD, Zito. Nice.

I feel out of place.

(fear our join dates)

[Papa Zito]

ur face fluctuates weirdly up and down



rekt

[Papa Zito]

ChannelDelibird why don't you like the Reck wagon?

He hasn't yet done anything off and the wagon has already fluctuated weirdly up and down

No but can you show me what this means, I'm an idiot and need help brushing my teeth in the morning.

[Papa Zito]

dont try this kitschy shit with me boy

VOTE: bbm

guys plz don't let this get away

[Papa Zito]

bbm self-votes all the time PLUS it's entirely null in RVS yet earned your vote PLUS that forms a reck counterwagon

ohaiyo!

[Papa Zito]

is that a big point in those pants or are you just happy to see me

I'm sorry you drew scum this game ckd but I promise we'll get this over quick ok

[Papa Zito]

Also do you have any thoughts on your wagon?

Not right now. I want to know what scotmany12 and Flameaxe are up to right now, but I'm a bit tired to think, and I don't think they're necessarily scum. They're not on the top of my town list, however.

The answer, of course, is shenanigans.


Hello from the Houston Museum of Natural Science, where I'm sleeping tonight. It's lights out in 2 minutes so gnight errybody.

[Papa Zito]

Zito where are you i miss you

vas is das, you know where I was

now lets talk about zito.

hold on a moment, cos i am bit over this read.

zito was like "hi mollie" and I was happy to follow his lead, even when I thought his read on reck felt a bit forced and manufactured when he started to push it.

but this. THIS.

makes me wanna weep.

You're sad cuz I got to sleep in a museum?


Imma reread the thread brb

[Papa Zito]

imdabes at quotes

[Papa Zito]

VOTE: Davsto

Somebody shoot Nexus plz


Never vig
never ever vig
not even in my own game was vig
- Zito's lament, 2015. Tearstains on linen.

[Papa Zito]

I froze my ass off if it makes you feel better.

[Papa Zito]

I froze my ass off if it makes you feel better.

was it a lock in at the planetarium?

They had us in the "Hall of the Americas". We were behind the Aztec exhibit.

mollie how do I get back into your good graces



I support the coug wagon btw I just don't think I'm needed there right now.

[Papa Zito]

mollie how do I get back into your good graces

not let the sc wagon fall apart cos I bet he is trying to wait it out hoping just for that. I really don't think that this is town!kitty.

I don't quite understand why you are going after dave.

I support the SC wagon no worries. I think there's 6-7 people on there right now, which should be enough to shake out the delicious candy. If not no worries I'll motorboat my sorry self on over and then ram said boat into him until delicious candy happens.

Dave needs some quality TLC!

[Papa Zito]

VOTE: Davsto

Somebody shoot Nexus plz

why is that?

Why is what?

Okay I hate saying this because I inevitably get judged for it but fuckit, I'm really not in the right mind to read through this much because I'm tired and fatigued and bleeeehhhhh

I'll try to do it tomorrow. Try.

guys Davsto needs some motivation can people plz provide him some motivation

[Papa Zito]

No you guys on the SC wagon keep on keepin on, I'm talking about the others who are just kinda floating out there in space.

Like Bins. Is there a dayvig in the house?

[Papa Zito]

1) i don't know why you would call me out of the lurkers when i'm the one SAYING I'M READING

umad

Why does SC deserve your vote.

Also Bulge is a funny word.

[Papa Zito]

Ok, it's odd. For real tho why SC.

[Papa Zito]

Are you high on turkey or something? You just made a stink about how you read the game and this major life event culminated in an SC vote. I'm asking why it ended in an SC vote vs all the other eligible bachelors/bachelorettes/attack helicopters we have ITT. And I'm getting back chinese fortune cookies for answers.

why SC

^ dis question is for you bins and requires answering tia

[Papa Zito]

i literally said i don't see any there eligible singles that i want to take a bite off

I literally dunno what you mean by this.

and like i said, bad feelings
all of his posts have pinged me

ok

since it's all his posts, it should be easy for you to give me a couple examples and explain why those examples gave bad feelings

right

[Papa Zito]

I remember the mobile thing.

You can be like, 'ayyy so yeah in post 1 he goes "hi errybody I'm scum" and I found this suspicious because those are the things we're trying to lynch (y)'

anyway why was first page awkward

p-edit great googly moogly is this english

[Papa Zito]

shooting Nex?

uh

what, in your opinion has Nexus been like a paragon of towniness or something?

Mod: I'm very sorry to do this this early in the game, but I have fallen behind in my schoolwork and I do not believe I can handle a game going this fast at this time. Replace me, please.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

guys Davsto needs some motivation can people plz provide him some motivation

I don't think wagoning the new guy for not knowing what to say is particularly productive.

What the fuck is this. Way to go you managed to be both completely condescending and unhelpful in one sentence.



I'm gonna continue the conversation with Bins once she's around a keyboard, the phone stuff is hurting my head too much.

[Papa Zito]

bruh we both town we got this dw

[Papa Zito]

Look at this shit.

http://jewelbots.com/about.html

Welcome to the 21st century.

[Papa Zito]

shooting Nex?

uh

what, in your opinion has Nexus been like a paragon of towniness or something?

Null..

but if we are directing vigs...there are so many other more scummier people.

That's not what vigs are for.

Would you like to get into a game theory discussion about this topic?

:3

[Papa Zito]

also

hiiiiiiiiii zito <3

OHAIYO


Where's my boy Davsto.


BTW ya'll are gonna hate me for this but I find the timing of Coug's exit really suspicious.

[Papa Zito]

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Meta is dumb don't do meta


ok carry on

[Papa Zito]

we're starting to hit a critical meta mass and soon this game will implode into a meta blackhole from which no townie can escape

(we watched a movie about black holes at the planetarium and I stg they showed this poor shittily-rendered astronaut get spaghettified and then dissolved into atoms which wouldn't have been so bad except you could hear him darth vader breathing)


uh

anyway yeah meta

[Papa Zito]

RECK AM I TOWN

BEHOLD I POST IN ALLCAPS AND I INVOKE THY NAME

[Papa Zito]

We haven't had a votecount in many moons. Hopefully this is right.




Unfortunately, the home was full of tigers, which being tigers, subsequently wiped all the data from her iPod.

Votecount 1.6 -

StrangerCoug - 5 - Flameaxe, scotmany, notscience, Bins, xRECKONERx
Spiffeh - 2 - strangercoug, AJ the epic
Pirate Mollie - 1 - CDB
curiouskarmadog - 1 - catboi
catboi - 1 - Nexus
Davsto - 1 - Papa Zito
AJ the epic - 1 - Spiffeh
notscience - 1 - curiouskarmadog

Not voting - 5 - Blackberry, Starbuck, Davsto, Marquis, pirate mollie

With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline in (expired on 2015-10-23 14:00:00)

[Papa Zito]

Zito: Thoughts on bins being on the ScouggyP wagon?

Well my first thought after I did the VC was "wow I thought this wagon was bigger". My other thought was that yeh it pinged when it happened and when I started down that rabbit hole I was getting some p weird answers. I'm gonna take up that challenge again but I'd rather wait for her to be sans-phone when I do it.

zito, why are you discrediting my #1 scumhunting tool?

I have a history if discrediting this scumhunting tool.

Check my meta. :V

because meta is bad

See, when I say this, I get called bad. (In other games)

Explain, oh wise and wonderful BBM/Zito combo so as I can use it too!

I mean

Ok imagine there's this icecream shop that you particularly like. Like not only do they have a bunch of good flavors but they also have crushed up Oreos and M&Ms and shit you can mix in and fun cones and fuck I want some icecream now. Anyway let's say that you stop by there every Monday afternoon and order 2 scoops of Dutch Chocolate with sprinkles in a waffle cone cuz you're a badass and that's the exact configuration fit for a badass. And let's say you do this for I dunno a couple months or so, and the icecream dude gets used to seeing you stop by every Monday afternoon and ordering 2 scoops of Dutch chocolate with sprinkles. Then one Thursday you're like wow it's fucking hot out here I want some icecream and you walk in and decide you'd like to try something different so you order a scoop of Vanilla with Reese's peanut butter bits in a regular cup. And instead of giving you this treat the icecream guy pulls out a shotgun and mows you down.

This is why meta is stupid.

[Papa Zito]

many nonpersons died to bring us this information

[Papa Zito]

huh. I never really pegged you as the type to throw out the baby with the bath water or some1 to make such porous analogies.

live and learn I guess

The honeymoon is over!

stuff

ok I was wary of this slot cuz it was too quiet but obviously looking at things but that was a

fantastic

post

[Papa Zito]

CDBs read on Mollie definitely has more to it than just meta, so I'm not happy with mollie just dismissing it as meta.

wat?

[Papa Zito]

cdb every1 hates meta but I don't and I am pretty sure that while pple are going to say they don't use meta I bet pple will listen to your read that is...based on meta. while making up bullshit reasons to do so. its what most pple are like.

so.....if you are going to cough up a scumread on me based on how you always scumread me then I wld like for you to link the games where you scumread me.

I don't agree with this response to CDBs read.

Which part wasn't meta-based? From what I read he was saying "I expect town!Mollie to do X but in this game she did Y so I think she's scum" which is like core meta gameplay. What am I missing.

[Papa Zito]

I don't like this sudden consensus of people scum reading pirate mollie btw

Why is this a problem?

Guys let's just wagon AJ he only cares about his own well being.

pls pls pls

That would be a gr8 wagon fo sho

[Papa Zito]

IS IT META

EHEHEHEHEHEEHEH

[Papa Zito]

@Papa Zito because I'm townreading her and I guess I just don't understand most of the reasons she is being scum read? I'm gonna read more thoroughly again and try to get it.

that's fair but since you don't know for sure what mollie's alignment is I guess I'm wondering why you felt the need to throw that one in there and try to put the brakes on what appears to be some heavy-duty scumhunting going on




This game has some srs Too Many Targets Not Enough Bullets going on right now. I have no idea how that one dude is townreading a thousand people.

[Papa Zito]

LOL, so let me get this straight.

we disagree on uses for vigs and meta-ing?

yeah it's like we're two different people with different playstyles how the fuck did that happen

I thought we were twinsies his whole time my world is crushed

Is that necessary?

it kind of is cuz you aren't interacting with literally anyone else in the game?

Q: As it stands nobody else seems to be following your banner to lynch this guy, what is your plan to remedy this.

[Papa Zito]

ok but you know there's more than 1 scum in this game right

Let's say he decides to overtly say "sorry cube I ain't gonna answer that" then what happens? Are you just gonna harp on the fact you can't get that one shining answer for the rest of the day?

[Papa Zito]

Add Davsto to the vig pile. Someone, anyone, please. I'll give you a cookie. Or a handjob. I'll give a cookie a handjob. How's that for motivation.

uh let's see

4-5 people are engaging in some good, adversarial discussion and are developing reds

you come in yelling like a police siren for us to shut it down and tunnel on your lone scumread?

Now I want to wagon him more.

VOTE: AJ

[Papa Zito]

uh

He's yelling at you for asking us to wagon AJ

So I wagon AJ

yes?

[Papa Zito]

Or are you being sassy?

I will accept either.

when am I not sassy. ayyyyy

I'm assuming you're asking about Reck here. I certainly don't townread him.

And on a side-note, I emotionally personally feel in a deep inside place that Papa Zito and Reckoner are consistently and obviously town-like throughout the game

Reck I think he wants a 3-way.

[Papa Zito]

Hooray.

So again I'd like you to give a couple examples from SC's ISO that led to your vote.

I'd also like a reason behind the BBM vote.

TIA

[Papa Zito]

1) I did. I thought his posts were awkward and he seemed to struggle to naturally enter the conversation. This can be seen best in the first few pages. The vote was for no more than just that reason. That's it. I can't make a quote wall of examples because I don't have any. He bugged me, I wanted to vote him to pressure him to talk more, he replaced out, I was sad, the end. But I like MattP's recent post.
2) Continuing on with that, I liked his BBM reasoning. And I really did not like BBM's response.

Nominate Bins for

amorphous reasoning

Specifically, which parts of MattP's BBM reasoning did you like. Specifically, what response from BBM did you not like?

[Papa Zito]

Not voting - 5 - mykonian, Davsto, Marquis, Mollie, Nexus

real?

[Papa Zito]

I'm trying to get in your pretty little head and the only way I can do that is through "useless questions." You voted someone, I want the thought process behind it. I'm not going to assume anything because making assumptions leads to bad reads and mistakes, which means yes I want you to actually answer the questions I'm asking. Unless the depth of your play really is "teehee I don't like this post, let's go shopping!" then you should be able to provide me with specifics.

[Papa Zito]

I'm trying to get in your pretty little head and the only way I can do that is through "useless questions." You voted someone, I want the thought process behind it. I'm not going to assume anything because making assumptions leads to bad reads and mistakes, which means yes I want you to actually answer the questions I'm asking. Unless the depth of your play really is "teehee I don't like this post, let's go shopping!" then you should be able to provide me with specifics.

While not in a mocking way, that is the level of my play right now. I'm sorry to disappoint you.

..

Ok. So you didn't like BBM's response. Can you tell me why that response is more likely to come from scum than town?

Really, so yeah, I don't know why you're asking questions.

Is the motivation behind me asking for questions really that difficult to figure out

come on now

[Papa Zito]

my internet went bonkers and my edits didn't make it yay

plz pretend I understand the basics of English grammar ty

[Papa Zito]

Ugh, yeah, it is. I've never had anyone question the fact that I just simply don't like something.

And it's weird, I feel like scum try really hard to act like they don't care. It looked like just that: that he was trying too hard not to hard.

I'm not questioning that you don't like something, I'm just asking why you don't like it.

Arrite, got it. You think he's pretending to not care, which scum are more likely to do. Is there anyone else in the game that's acting in a similar way?

[Papa Zito]

That's interesting. In that case why were you on a wagon (MattP) with both BBM and Reck?

[Papa Zito]

@Papa, I'm literally going on gut feelings with a ±50% error right now. Associations tells at this early in the game are useless, I only go for what I feel is right. Saying "I'm not gonna touch this wagon (even though it's on someone I think is super scummy!) because ____ is on it!" is silly.

That's a good answer.


@AJ - What's your opinion of the back-and-forth between me and Bins?

[Papa Zito]

oh wait am I hearing people suggesting they'd wagon Davsto with me? Has Christmas come early?

[Papa Zito]

watching zito go after bins in such a patronizing vaguely sexist way makes me wonder about him cos if he cannot see that bins is town by now then I don't even.

dafuq


Ok let's see what happens here.

VOTE: Davsto

[Papa Zito]

watching zito go after bins in such a patronizing vaguely sexist way makes me wonder about him cos if he cannot see that bins is town by now then I don't even.

dafuq

I want it clearly stated that i do NOT think you are a sexist by any means, otherwise we wld be having a different conversation. but "your pretty little head" is an inherently sexist comment cos the implication is that "pretty" is all that bins (or any female, really) head is capable of since they are not intelligent enough to have anything else. the phrase comes from a time when women were primarily used for reproduction and decoration and not much else.

I was mostly just making a note to myself to revisit that and have a discussion with you on it post game.

p sure I've used similar language with dudes but ok sure



ugh the meta it's a maelstrom of silliness

[Papa Zito]

Holy shit it sure is hostile in here

@ zito

if you say to a certain 6'4" fag that I know "your pretty little head" in a line of srs questioning in a patronizing way I promise to go back to my hero-worship of you

u got it, your hero-worship is v important to me

[Papa Zito]

At least I'm not a pop-tart like bbm :3

[Papa Zito]

..............is it over?


Could I get summore Davsto votes plz?

[Papa Zito]

I honestly dunno what to do with this game right now.

I feel like we need a do-over.

[Papa Zito]

the effectiveness of pushing a Davsto wagon right now is insignificant and he will provide content or be replaced so there's no reason to pursue him atm

it currently appears neither of these things are true

How do you feel about a Davsto wagon now?

[Papa Zito]

I'm less inclined to join a Davwagon now, fwiw

why?

[Papa Zito]

mollie posts the things I want to post faster than I do

[Papa Zito]

vla this weekend

[Papa Zito]

There are far too many people doing fuck all.

This is super shit.

I apologize for doing fuck all. This game has been a sea of meta and emotion thus far and I don't get anything from those.

I like your notscience vote but I don't think that's happening today barring magical mafia fairy miracles. Where else are you willing to go?

[Papa Zito]

aight

VOTE: notscience


BUT this requires davsto eats bullets tonight ok

[Papa Zito]

ns wagon is too random for me.

[Papa Zito]

ok well congrats we're flashing on your wagon so you get to be super lazy and when he flips scum you also get bragging rights

[Papa Zito]

@ zito why are you even talking about moving your vote somewhere else, did dave do something that makes you think that he is town?

not to mention if you divide the lynches now there will be a very high chance of me being derp deadlined lynch. is this something that you are wanting to happen?

I am very much against a notty wagon and will actively speak against it.

I'm sensing a lot of resistance to a Davsto lynch. I'm not gonna pretend to understand said resistance but it's there.

Dav didn't do anything to change my mind, no.

[Papa Zito]

I'm sensing a lot of resistance to a Davsto lynch. I'm not gonna pretend to understand said resistance but it's there.

Dav didn't do anything to change my mind, no.

I am starting to get the feeling he is probably town and scum are trying to get some town cred off a mislynch. Could be wrong, but not feeling it now.

That's completely possible. Still like to see him be target practice for some vig.

Who isn't me of course.

Zito never gets vig.

I'll go reread Marquis. I don't remember having any issues with that slot.

[Papa Zito]

wat

[Papa Zito]

yeh I def don't mind the AJ wagon getting bigger too.

[Papa Zito]

Without knowing their alignments that's a really ridic opinion to hold.

[Papa Zito]

I mean Matt and Dav are my biggest scum reads so I don't necessarily think so.

Help them bus him then?

yeh I def don't mind the AJ wagon getting bigger too.

where is the scumhunting zito that I know and love

This game is chock full of stuff I can't really work with so tbh I'm kinda floating until we get some flips to work with tomorrow.

ALSO my scumhunting doesn't always take on the same forms. I'm not just posting things for the sake of posting them.

[Papa Zito]

yes exactly, makes you think doesn't it

[Papa Zito]

this fucking game

[Papa Zito]

Zito, why are you voting me?

why shouldn't I be voting you

[Papa Zito]

4. pirate mollie

.

lol

[Papa Zito]

Zito, why are you voting me?

why shouldn't I be voting you

Well for one, I'm town.

whoooosh

unless you're planning on forwarding me your role PM can you make a better argument than this

[Papa Zito]

^this guy is clearly reading the thread

[Papa Zito]

If you're agreeing with scot for the reason of the wagon why are you fighting against it? Surely the timing can't be that big an issue given we just got an extension?

[Papa Zito]

If you don't have a clear opinion of him then why would you argue against a wagon? Surely pushing a wagon on someone helps bring clarity to their slot to anyone paying attention to the discussion? A wagon towards the end of the day must surely apply more pressure to the person in question? Given your stated position it really seems like you should be supporting this wagon yet you're doing the opposite, why?

[Papa Zito]

oh lord

[Papa Zito]

I'm trying to figure out your motivation for actively opposing a wagon while simultaneously decrying the lack of time left in the day. Those two things don't mesh in my head. I'm trying to figure out why you're against gaining information on a slot while simultaneously saying you don't have a "clear opinion" on said slot. Those two things don't mesh in my head. I'm neither arguing with you nor telling you how to play, I'm seeking information. Provide info plz.

[Papa Zito]

what did?

??

i just cant even break the mental barrier required to wade back into this

p.edit: ok marquis

Can you replace out then

I would love to explain why you are wrong.

but just in case you are right, I am not going to.

lol

[Papa Zito]

(ftr dave wagon more-or-less stalled due to too many people giving inexplicable townreads and notty had loads of posts with no real meat to them so from my perspective it was either sit and do nothing for X days or actually get some shit done but that's ok I clearly have a scum agenda here trying to get a stagnant game moving and get people to actually talk about game-related things instead of burying us in meta and walls of emotion^tm so yeh gj there mollie keep up the good work)

[Papa Zito]

I wld like to point out how you didn't question the pple who townread dave. I think that is why your jump off the wagon you were trying to push was seedy.

Really? What were 974/977 then.

and i don't know if this is how you play or not, we are still fairly new to each other. ITS THE TIMING. AND IT IS SEEDY.

SHRUG

I don't find 3+ days to be iffy timing in the least.

I ALSO dunno why you're so convinced you're dead meat when you're rocking 3 whole votes and 0 whole people actually pushing you. so uh yeah how's that paranoia working out for you rn

[Papa Zito]

I'm not seeing Marquis as scum can you enlighten me plz

[Papa Zito]

I'm not seeing Marquis as scum can you enlighten me plz

this was directed at ckd mb

[Papa Zito]

BBM?

Waht

you scumz?

BBM is a townread of mine, yeah.

(Am I doing this right, guys?)

ggwp

[Papa Zito]

yeh that can be lynched or shot, either way

[Papa Zito]

Why wouldn't I be?

[Papa Zito]

I know it's probably not either because I don't think prozac is that much of a sadist but I'm bothered by him speccing it

Theory questions get theory answers.


duh

[Papa Zito]

bluhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


DEAR BROCHAT

what do you wanna do

this town is bonkers and afraids of everything

[Papa Zito]

uh

[Papa Zito]

god dammit fine let me read this real quick

I mean tbh I don't even know who mattp is

that's how much presence this individual has

[Papa Zito]

ugh

ok there's a completely crap BBM vote that was only followed up on cuz BBM went after him
then there's an AJ shift and some Davsto talk when those two were flavors of the week
and like there's 0 substance anywhere else really


MY PROBLEM IS

this game has gotten SO BOGGED DOWN for reasons stated a couple times already so I'm not only having a hard time staying engaged myself (I'm trying so hard guyz) BUT I'm also having a super hard time parsing disinterest vs lurking. It's like, the majority of people are doing fuckall and they can't ALL be scum, why can't I be an octopus so I can slap 8 people at once? So if some of the floaters are guaranteed town how the fuck am I supposed to separate them out? Especially when I try to wagon someone and the few people who are posting decide to put goddamn roadblocks in my way, ffs.

anyway


Sure that can die too. That ISO is awful so yeah he can bubble up to the top of the list. Really at this point I'd lynch the vast majority of the players here. zzz

[Papa Zito]

preemptive note: idgaf who's on the wagon, thank you plz tip your waitress


BROCHAT I can has opinions?

[Papa Zito]

I mean look at this list


1. Flameaxe - why are you even playing mafia games, you don't care and you're busy with survivor anyway
2. mykonian - hello?
3. MattP - I just talked about this
4. pirate mollie - actively sabotaging my efforts is apparently gr8 fun
5. ChannelDelibird - why don't you post more
6. xRECKONERx - LOL
7. Davsto - let's just be a guy and not do anything
8. AJ the Epic - more like AJ the Nonepic amirite oooooooooooooooooooooh
9. Nexus - who? what?
10. notscience - zzzzz
11. curiouskarmadog - you're actually ok keep truckin along
12. catboi - your name triggers me
13. Papa Zito - triggered
14. Starbuck - one burst of activity and then nada, if you've done ANYTHING else on the site this is guaranteed scumslot
15. spiffeh - yeah you're ok
16. scotmany12 - 4²
17. marquis - I don't get the hate tbh
18. Bins - waiting until tomorrow for magical flip-based activities and wondrous scumhunting


I mean there's really not much to work with here

fuck

[Papa Zito]

I feel like if I were drunk right now I'd be going on some kind of completely incomprehensible rant.

apparently 'uncomprehensible' isn't a word, who knew

I'm spamposting cuz it's 1am and I basically own the thread atm, come at me

[Papa Zito]

@back to zibro: I feel decently confident that one of the three that jumped on me is scum, maybe more. Thoughts?

I think a lot of scums would take a quick look over your iso and judge you an 'easy' mislynch because you don't play 'correctly' so it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

I mean

Flameaxe - 3 - MattP, AJ the Epic, mykonian

Behold the HurpADurp Allstars. I'd be 100% willing to lynch any of that.

shrug.

vote: mollie

really

[Papa Zito]

Behold the HurpADurp Allstars. I'd be 100% willing to lynch any of that.

Before you take that wagon as a whole, you should have a look at what post I voted flameaxe for.

Don't want the story in the world that I have a scumread on him (as of now)

That's a commentary on those players as a whole, not specifically their votes.

shrug.

vote: mollie

really

Well an AJ/espe wagon isn't going to happen now that he replaced in, is it?

And you expect a Mollie wagon to realistically go anywhere, given who's on it?

[Papa Zito]

what're you goin on about ckd

[Papa Zito]

Bins that is the post I was referring to but I misread it and no longer believe it is a contradiction.

The fact you admit to that is pretty town yay

reads

Also I agree with Marquis ckd is not as town as I thought.

What I said about Spiffeh has nothing to do with you I just remembered something in the middle of that totally unrelated.

uh

ok I'm semi-illiterate can you walk me through the issue here

[Papa Zito]

Well to be fair Marquis did say this:

i dislike literally every one of ckd's posts

which is really close to 1268. I can p easily see someone reading that and thinking "Marquis doesn't see ckd as town"


So I can 100% understand why you'd be irritated here. I guess I'd ask what is the scum motivation for Bins to come in and announce Spiff is town. Like, what do the scumteam gain from this.

[Papa Zito]

oh hi reck

how's things

[Papa Zito]

Runaway train, never going ba-ack
Wrong way on a one-way track
Seems like I should be get-ting somewhere
Somehow I'm neither here nor there

[Papa Zito]

^another excellent no-content post from zito

[Papa Zito]

crap I just remembered peg isn't in this game

BBM does Soul Asylum count as buttrock? This is important.

[Papa Zito]

catboi doesn't have a lot of credibility

I mean, how do you take someone named catboi seriously

[Papa Zito]

you guys are so bad at quotes

[Papa Zito]

if a mykon wagon is a serious one...I would jump ship.

man I miss spyrex


Reck can you explain the issue with Marquis plz

[Papa Zito]

do you what smells lie an agenda?

precisely


Reck can I sleep on your couch

[Papa Zito]

Z-zito,

ASSHOLE

I'm all for at least us two to votebloc here today. I'm pretty much narrowing myself to notty or mattp.

ok that's where I was going with this

Are you townreading scot too?

Also Reck is honorary brochat member Y/y?

[Papa Zito]

aight

@scot, @reck - you are hereby invited to Brochat Alliance so we can make some fucking headway in this game, do you accept

[Papa Zito]

ZITO I HUMBLY ACCEPT BROCHAT INVITE THX

sweet

where the fuck is scot

and we need to decide what we're doing



ATTN TOWN

this is now Brochat Alliance QuickTopic Central

[Papa Zito]

reck the game gets easier if you just hit /ignore

[Papa Zito]

reck the game gets easier if you just hit /ignore

plz nk me

NEVER VIG

NEVER EVER VIG

[Papa Zito]

o__O

[Papa Zito]

Hey zito. I don't know you very well.

Do you enjoy this game?

This one in particular?

I'm here zito. Let's lynch Matt. We won't have enough to support for notty or davstro, and I am not fond of the myk wagon.

you got it bro

VOTE: Mattp

With Brochat alliance this is essentially an intent to hammer. MattP get to claiming plz.

[Papa Zito]

why marquis

HMMM

[Papa Zito]

VOTE: Espeonage

I really think I was on to something about the whole AJ saying spiffeh was trying to frame him with a connection to SC.

Uh

VOTE: espionage

Scot do you know how town blocs work, I know you have trouble with the alphabet and basic math like 1+4=7.


Espe I apologize, my phone autocorrected your name and I'm too lazy to fix it.

[Papa Zito]

man did we really only have one kill on night1 in a game this size


pedit: Mollie ur breaking my back here, I'm trying to carry this shit but you weigh a TON

[Papa Zito]

lol

now who's made the worst vote in the game

[Papa Zito]

Ckd have you ever heard the phrase "pissing in the wind"

[Papa Zito]

So I just read Marquis and I still have no idea why he was killed. I personally read him as town but I don't think that read was universal at all and I didn't pick up on any PR hints (tho I'm shit at that anyway) so ???????

This is gonna bug me to no end


pedit: uh yeah you keep right on waiting Mollie, urdabes waiter go hf

[Papa Zito]

I would vote Aj over Davsto. I think Davsto's narrative for his disinterest in the game is genuine, whereas Aj is actively avoiding contribution to most aspects of the games but providing disingenuous and over-defensive reasoning for doing so.

Can we lynch Davsto now. Plz.


Plz

Plz with a puppy on top

[Papa Zito]

I would vote Aj over Davsto. I think Davsto's narrative for his disinterest in the game is genuine, whereas Aj is actively avoiding contribution to most aspects of the games but providing disingenuous and over-defensive reasoning for doing so.

Can we lynch Davsto now. Plz.


Plz

Plz with a puppy on top

Espeonage

(2): scotmany12, Papa Zito

Work me through this if you could Zito.

Brochat Alliance.


@scot, mb I forgot Espeonage=AJ, carry on.

[Papa Zito]

Anyways, I'm going to make a wall-post tomorrow to make some boys in short pants very happy.

My short pants are ready and waiting.

I would vote Aj over Davsto. I think Davsto's narrative for his disinterest in the game is genuine, whereas Aj is actively avoiding contribution to most aspects of the games but providing disingenuous and over-defensive reasoning for doing so.

VOTE: Aj the epic

I think it's proper to cool down on an espy lynch till you actually have something to go on. His slots interaction with matt is fine, come back in a day or two and revise, but he's not the lynch we want today.

orly

enlighten the class then, who are MattP's buddies?

[Papa Zito]

also I am not voting star ever!

VOTE: starbuck

was rereading, thought this was funny

[Papa Zito]

dw, if Espe flips scum we'll turbolynch Mollie no problem

her end of day shenanigans were a hoot

[Papa Zito]

Work me through this if you could Zito.

Brochat Alliance.

not an answer. if you think we should vote Davasto over AJ/Esp based on Matt's post....why are you voting AJ/Esp?

It IS an answer. Do you also not know how town voting blocs work either? Scot fired off with an Espe vote and I'm obliged to follow. Also I forgot that Espe=AJ so I'm totally cool with being here. (I have noted Reck's lack of vote FTR but I'm hoping he comes around on his own)

dw, if Espe flips scum we'll turbolynch Mollie no problem

her end of day shenanigans were a hoot

While I'd love to support that, she loverized me to her.

Well I appreciate that you don't wanna die but I'll take that 1-for-1 trade any day.

Q: Did you actually get any notice that this happened, or are you just taking her word for it?

[Papa Zito]

Oh no, I got the notice. I stated it earlier.

ok missed it sorry

@mollie:

that's a one-shot power right

[Papa Zito]

@mollie:

that's a one-shot power right

hum dee dum

[Papa Zito]

Yeah when you type giant paragraphs about how people are mean to you I tend to skip them. So if you answered that question in one of those could you please link it TIA

[Papa Zito]

Yeah when you type giant paragraphs about how people are mean to you I tend to skip them. So if you answered that question in one of those could you please link it TIA

its in my very first post of the day round.

BOOM

also star and I are lovers now! I was really hoping to eat a vig kill.

the next time I mention a vig 20 million times can you plz take me out.

also I changed my mind 4 times on who to loverize. in 1 of the last pm's I sent prozack I asked if I cld be polyamorous and loverize as many pple as I wanted. I had to settle on star cos prozack isn't into that sort of thing.

anyway I settled onto her for the lulz and now she has to come up with reasons for wanting me around which is even lulzier.

(((star)))

welcome back star

Are you saying the poly bit in the middle means you're one-shot, or does that mean you can only loverize one person per night? This is not clear to me plz respond with as little invective as possible.

[Papa Zito]

while we are on the topic, HAVE YOU EVER SEEN A LOVERIZER WHO CLD LOVERIZE MULTIPLE PPLE IN A 18 PLAYER GAME I AM NOT EVEN SURE WHY I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS.

so you're one-shot then?

[Papa Zito]

(I'mnotgettinginvolvedinthisI'mnotgettinginvolvedinthisI'mnotgettinginvolvedinthis)

[Papa Zito]

Is this magical Day 2 Bins?

Where is magical Day 2 Bins.


Bins you told me all you needed were some flips. :/

[Papa Zito]

guys i think cdb might be scum.

say more words

[Papa Zito]

guys i think cdb might be scum.

say more words

literally just had the realisation after reading scot's post about his shitty vote on him, to be fair.

arrite


oh look Davsto woke up again, look at that

[Papa Zito]

baa

I support what you're doing for sure and if for some reason we can't get traction here I will merrily join your band of well-groomed forest heroes.

[Papa Zito]

ffs

[Papa Zito]

and why?

[Papa Zito]

bbm we're following scot atm

mostly cuz he uped and voted first

[Papa Zito]

man if we could actually literally lynch both this would be the best game

[Papa Zito]

Well I see things are moving right along here.

[Papa Zito]

ok look if most of you aren't gonna play can you at least just sheep onto the Espeonage wagon?

[Papa Zito]

yeah I figured

[Papa Zito]

I dunno about you guys but I'm excited.

[Papa Zito]

Part of the point of this exercise Davsto is we're attempting to figure out if you even HAVE reasons for the people you've deemed scum. If you have any you have to tell us or we're forced to conclude that you don't. Once reasoning is provided we can all take a gander and decide if your thought process comes more from scum than town, but if you can't even provide the reasoning to begin with, well.

[Papa Zito]

hurray

VOTE: Davsto

[Papa Zito]

when he was grilling Bins about following mattp's vote on flameaxe, he posts this:

That's interesting. In that case why were you on a wagon (MattP) with both BBM and Reck?

But later in the thread, when he's voting notscience, we have this exchange:

Yes you sure did quote some things there.


I'm gonna start rereading things though I srsly doubt I'm moving off of Davsto. In a game that apparently doesn't have vigs, Davsto type lynches need to happen earlier rather than later.

[Papa Zito]

There's no way in hell I'm gonna get into a theory argument with mollie but

i have no freaking clue what your reads are.

hey everybody do you know what zito's reads are? why is he being allowed to get away with this?

Ok so you got three options here.

1. Have a gander at Zito's iso. Result: Zito reads found
2. Ask Zito what his reads are. Result: Zito reads found
3. Throw a hissy fit and appeal to the town. Result: :V

catboi gave a very comprehensive and you reduce it to, "oh you posted some quotes"? after badgering every1 to give reads only to nitpick at them?

I think you accidentally your sentence.
Also if you think anything about that post was "very comprehensive" then you clearly didn't read it, you just saw a series of quotes and skimmed over.
Also also reverse scumhunting is a technique I frequently employ!

I agree with this sentiment, but when Zito says it, it looks scummy to me.

ilu2

yaknow one of the great things about being town is you don't have to gaf what people think about what you say, you just have to concentrate on saying things that need to be said.

In a game that apparently doesn't have vigs, Davsto type lynches need to happen earlier rather than later.

This is unworthy of you zito. There's always a couple of davsto's. The trick is to pick out the scummy ones, and get the others to work with you. Espe/AJ I think is no scummy davsto, but I haven't heard a convincing argument either way for davsto himself.

OK, hold the phone, I'm having a super hard time parsing this mess.

Are you saying you think this is a pure

policy

lynch?
Or are you saying you think this is a

lurker

lynch?
You're for real telling me you have no issues with what he

has

done in this game?

[Papa Zito]

also, random note. my wife is coming back in town tonight, so I will be out of commission most of the weekend I think.

lmao

[Papa Zito]

1. i have looked at your iso a cple of times. you will toss a read here and there with no real reasoning if you give any. what is your read on espy slot now?

So first you say I don't give reads. Now you admit that I do. Groovie, glad we worked this out.

Espe is on the reread list but currently sits at "needs death soonish".

2. i am not really getting a sense that you care to engage with me so I didn't. but that post was super duper scummy.

I've been following your thought processes best I can this game and it seems you assign "scummy" to things you don't agree with and "not scummy" to things you do and you're willing to flipflop on playerslots at the drop of a hat (or an egg), which makes your comment below about scumhunting not happening in isolation kinda lol. If you disagree with my stance that scummy uncooperative activelurking playerslots should not live to endgame that's fine but you're gonna have to actually articulate why a scum player is more likely to take that stance and announce it to the town than a town player doing the same or this is just noise.

2. he posted things in chunks and i take in body of work. scumhunting does not exist in a total vacuum yanno.

The quoted bit of his post was directed at me. He hasn't really been interacting with me at all. What are you talking about?

3. go you i guess? what does that even mean.

He's provided an opening for Dialogue so now we're going to Have Words. He's expecting to scumhunt me here (I assume, why else post that?) but the opposite will occur. I'm saying this openly in thread because This Fucking Game.

[Papa Zito]

The fact that my reasoning for voting on Espe is way more detailed than anyone's reasons for voting on me, yet my wagon is twice the damn size of Espe's, should give a decent idea as to why my wagon is utter shit.

Or you're scum pointing out the nearest convenient townie counterwagon.

I mean, if we're playing moonbeams preflip wagon games.

[Papa Zito]

you are all smooth and debonair.

scot you realize that you're never living this comment down right

[Papa Zito]

lord have mercy I've been sucked in

don't weasel your way with words young man. what I said was, "can any1 remember zito's reads". that isn't the same thing.

Oh that was a popquiz for the class, my bad. I apologize for giving them the answers.

okay so walk me through as to how you moved from a wagon you kept pushing to "needs death

soonish

"

I want Davsto dead more. I am hoping for dead Espes following soon after dead Davstos.

by that criteria espy shld go before dave. which you thought too until the espy wagon built up steam.

I'm impressed your magical powers can penetrate my enormous tinfoil hat and read my mind. I must get an upgrade.

Anyway I guess we disagree here? Not sure how the order of operations really matters if we both end up getting what we want?

if you wanted interaction with him, why didn't you initiate?

He's not a priority, I'm reading him as town, interaction not necessary. But if he's gonna do the dance then I'll take the opportunity sure.

okay?

okay!

wat happened to your scumread on espy that morphed into a "needs death soonish" that has suddenly morphed into a townread

He's not a townread. Read the 2nd sentence of that post again.

[Papa Zito]

zito what is your read on cdb?

yes he's kinda the catalyst for the re-read desire

other than just general thread malaise

[Papa Zito]

Man. When did CKD become my spirit animal.

part of me doesnt think Davasto is scum. part of me thinks he is.

yeh this is where I'm at, cuz honestly I

can

turn my head 270^o and see what people are talking about with "he's a townie who quit" but then again doesn't that look awfully like scum who's hoping to lay low until the town says SQUIRREL and lynches someone else?

Real problem is we can't let this slot live to even midgame cuz he's obviously not gonna do anything and we're going to have to deal with The Davsto Question as a giant distraction until we do something about it.

(note: yes yes I realize there are other people this could apply to but Davsto has Additional Contributing Factors)

[Papa Zito]

Davsto

Davsto

listen ok

No for real read this whole thing -


I want you to scumhunt me

I want you to scumhunt me like there's no tomorrow.

I'm not asking you to present a "case"

I want you to dig into my ISO, look at shit I posted, assess motivations, come up with question marks, and then start blasting me with questions.


Can you do this

[Papa Zito]

yeah man take your time, we're in no rush here

[Papa Zito]

Question for mollie: Does me being scum depend on zito being scum? Also, visa versa.

smooth and debonair

[Papa Zito]

172 posts

rip me

LOL

ZERO CONTENT POSTER

GG GG GG GG GG GG GG

[Papa Zito]

YOU KNOW WHAT FUCK IT

unvote, vote: bins

This is the best option on the table rn after 2203

(SQUIRREL)

[Papa Zito]

Okay so what/why was this vote?

Had to go back and read it, that was a reaction to 186 (complaining nothing's happening while not making something happen) and 188 (you weren't voting someone).

What are vigs for then? Shooting town?

(warning: Theory discussion ho!) This is gonna sound weird but SORT OF yeah. You want to wagon the really scummy ones because the wagons themselves provide valuable intel. You want to shoot people who you're finding null and/or useless (see Nexus). You're hoping you hit a bad guy with that bullet but worst case you're making endgame easier by culling the chaff.

He's had this thing of scumreading people but not voting them

Sure. I scumread multiple people but only gots one vote. I voice support for wagons even if my vote isn't there cuz at the end of the day we gotta lynch someone and I'm announcing my willingness to move if needed.

[Papa Zito]

Yes you sure did quote some things there.

I was hoping you'd be smart enough to discern what I was getting at there, but I guess not.


Well, or maybe you did but you're trying to act like it doesn't matter. I don't know.

so what's your plan to untangle this labryinthine condundrum

(hint: I just used some big words)

[Papa Zito]

Is there an explanation as to why you questioned Bins about being on a wagon with people she scumread but had no concerns about doing something like that yourself?

Do you consider myself and Bins to be the same player? Or to even have similar playstyles?

[Papa Zito]

I'm wondering why you questioned a player about behavior you later exhibited yourself.

Do you, as town, ever exhibit behaviors not seen in other townies? Do other townies ever exhibit behaviors that you yourself do not? Or do you think all townies act the same way?

[Papa Zito]

catboi can die too

"I want to break up the town bloc even though I openly admit I haven't read half of them" immediately followed by "I would be okay with lynching one of the people I haven't read at all" WHEEEEE

ye he's pretty obnoxious


I dunno really what to do this game as we've got too many lurkers and apparently not enough vigs. I'll happily wagon any of these today:

- Davsto
- Espe
- myko
- Nexus


@Reck - there's really no point engaging Mollie at this point, it's like 95% she's town cuz of this lover business which is likely gonna get resolved in the next night or two cuz how can scum resist not offing two active players?

[Papa Zito]

I'd rather not even touch any of that because my early game read on Starbuck still tells me she is town, and mollie's defiant obtuseness makes me believe she can be town for now.

ye I agree

I have 0 read on CDB, huh. I should fix that. I keep completely forgetting he's in the game/getting him mixed up with CKD. (CKD that's not an insult it's just alphabet soup issues ok)


man do we really not have any vigs this game cuz otherwise this is gonna take

years

[Papa Zito]

I'm reading him p solidly town tbh cuz his effort seems really put into solving the game and calling out the shitposting that's just so goddamn rampant. I also like watching his vote movements. And like, maybe Mollie reactions are over the top but we both now how frustrating that quarter is so I can't really blame him for that.

Davsto

(4): Bins, scotmany12, Papa Zito, xRECKONERx

Espeonage

(4): Starbuck, Davsto, catboi, pirate mollie

ChannelDelibird

(3): Nexus, Spiffeh, notscience

Bins

(2): Flameaxe, mykonian

scotmany12

(1): ChannelDelibird

Starbuck

(1): Espeonage

Not Voting

(1): curiouskarmadog

This is a huge problem that seems to keep happening in games lately and I dunno how to interpret it. I'm gonna GUESSSSSSSS it means that we're somewhat on the right track cuz we're not getting any assistance from the remaining scumteam to actually drive one of these wagons forward but fuck if I know which one(s) are correct.

[Papa Zito]

CDB is doing the same thing he did yesterday: vote parking someone and making vague comments about other things to look like he's involved.

Yeah this is one of those things I need to read to see if there's like context involved or something. Like voteparking for example isn't necessarily bad if you're feeling the righteousness of god about whoever you're parked on but given I have 0 impression of this guy that probably doesn't apply here.

uh but yeah he needs reading

[Papa Zito]

^this guy

[Papa Zito]

No, we need to lynch Espeonage. Lynching actual scum is optimal, or is that not how we play the game around here?

See: Day 1

Let's take Espeonage off the table. Pretend I'm a cop and I just announced he's town. Now where do you go?

[Papa Zito]

Engaging in hypotheticals that are borderline impossible is a waste of time.

Fine. We lynched Espe and he's totally scum yay. Same question.

[Papa Zito]

Flameaxe

GOD DAMMIT SCOT

DON'T DO IT AGAIN

[Papa Zito]

Engaging in hypotheticals that are borderline impossible is a waste of time.

Fine. We lynched Espe and he's totally scum yay. Same question.

Then I set about finding the next scum, obviously.

Obviously.

But WHO IS IT

[Papa Zito]

jfc

[Papa Zito]

Your post next page is better. That is the real issue here, though I don't agree with your conclusion. Scum have no incentive to push wagons, they only have to manage how liberal they are with their votes. If we saw wagons spring up everywhere, sure, you could say something like that. But here everything is restrained, I think town is simply too splintered, scum's just watching.

I disagree scum have no incentive to push wagons, but yeah this is just as feasible as what I posted. I just don't really like that possibility cuz it doesn't say anything about the wagons we have. That's the case where they're waiting for one of those to actually get near lynch range to do

something

if

something

actually needs doing.

bluh, this game desperately needs some flips


@Reck, help me out on your sudden Davsto read cuz I don't see it. I'm all for being convinced I'm in the wrong here.

[Papa Zito]

I don't want a Bins flip rn. She'll def have to happen at some point but that point doesn't have to be today.

I can't believe Davsto's being allowed to live while doing this song and dance.

ugh

pedit: Reck if you want to read that mess as genuine that's fair I guess except how can you explain the refusal to give reads or do ANYTHING beyond yelling about Espeonage? And do you think his interactions with our flipped Scumbob Squarepants are kosher?


VOTE: Espeonage

[Papa Zito]

And do you think his interactions with our flipped Scumbob Squarepants are kosher?

i have no opinion on this (read: what interactions?)

precisely


Your pal Davsto made an Espe case go read that

[Papa Zito]

You realize he's gonna continue his song and dance right up to lylo right

[Papa Zito]

I mean, cuz this town obviously doesn't have the fortitude to just fucking lynch the guy and let him out of his misery.

[Papa Zito]

If I counted right, Espy is at L-2.

He is.

Can a brother get another vote.

Can we finally get this show on the road.

plz

[Papa Zito]

Votecount 2.13

Espeonage

(7): Davsto,

catboi

, pirate mollie, Papa Zito, Starbuck, xRECKONERx, scotmany12

UNVOTE:

Scum Reads:

scotmany12, reckoner,

espeonage

Explain.

[Papa Zito]

Scum backpedaling from a bus?

Smells that way doesn't it?

[Papa Zito]

I not saying that's the only explanation, but it certainly IS one.

The timing of the move, given catboi's claimed scumread plus how it comes directly after several people swapped to that wagon, is certainly suspicious.

[Papa Zito]

And for the record, I'm aware that I'm drowning in townreads and have too few scumreads.

lol I have the opposite problem

tell me ur secrets

[Papa Zito]

ffs reck

[Papa Zito]