[Game Over] Open 673 - Tit for Tat

[ECMitchell]

I see things are finally moving along. I remember being hesitant to vote Cooperative Sheep, but I need to reread his ISO. Still at work currently, but I will be on that tonight for this game. I'll say now that if Cooperative Sheep is scum, I see plague as a very probable scum mate. His reasoning for a vote on someone else (I forget who now—typing in a rush) matched others' reasons against Cooperative Sheep, but he never commented on it and kept his vote elsewhere. In my experience, scum mates don't pick up on these kinds of patterns from their partners because they're not actively hunting against them, or they

do

pick up on them but intentionally avoid adding scrutiny to their faction.

I won't delay the game—I'll vote tonight—I just want to do a quick reread first. Bear with me please.

[Siblings Quarrel]

ECM we need a claim from sheep first before you vote

[ECMitchell]

Right. Noted.

[Transcend]

alternatively just lolhammer and be done with it

[Sesq]

Sorry. Here's some stuff as I go through the game and read it again.

Sesq's first post #17 comes off as a little bit nervous about being voted and a bit insecure.

TheJester is probably town for #18, as his questioning mirrored a similar thought I had. (It's been so long since I've played on this website that I don't remember how to link specific posts - sorry.)

Intermission is probably town.

My vote on ECMitchell wasn't completely RVS - I thought his introductory post was worded in a really awkward and pointing-fingers way. In particular, it felt like his post #39 was framed in such a way that set him up to be able to attack a lot of different people without actually committing to any scum-reads. That said though, his play for the rest of the day hasn't actually had scumtelling at all, and I liked his unvote on Intermission. I think I digress on my SR on him.

CooperativeSheep's #76 is bad.

CooperativeSheep's #104 is REALLY bad. Backing down from voting Intermission after he sees that the pressure on Intermission is fading,

Townlean on Siblings Quarrel for picking up on the same thing, but that's a shallow reason, so I'm not confident.

Intermission's vote on Transcend is stupid, but probably town-stupid.

Charloux's questions in #161 seem kind of forced.

Sesq's #171 is still crazy insecure and worried about being voted. Focused on defending himself as opposed to looking for mafia.

Siblings VS Sheep has Sheep looking a lot worse.

EC is town - I lied about my earlier read.

Siblings,

why am I in your townbloc in #231 when at the time I had contributed literally nothing?

And I'm caught up. Basically, my reads are:

Sheep/Sesq/Charloux are my current scum leans.

TheJester/ECMitchell/Transcend/Intermission/Siblings all lean town, but I'm willing to bet that some of my reads are wrong.

I want Sheep lynched today, but I'm not currently willing to hammer him because he's at L-1. I'll wait.

Unvote

I don't appreciate your tone... policing. I wasn't nervous at all, he didn't have a strong case. This game isn't really going many places, as everything still seems to be centered around sheep/sibs. That said, this wagon is moving way too fucking fast, and I'm 90% sure there is 1 scum on the CS wagon right now. If he's town this is a really good opportunity for scum to get by, cus hey, everyone's doing it, and if he is scum there's probably some bussers.

Transcend's lolhammer suggestion has me thinking a bit.

[Transcend]

in what way

[Siblings Quarrel]

I don't hate lolhammers as much as others do, but I want a claim here

[Sesq]

in what way

because of the general quickness of the wagon it looks kinda scummish

[Bellaphant]

@sesq - i don't understand how you can be opposed to the a) game not going many places and b) a quick moving wagon?

also, 'if he's town, scum have an opportunity' seems like a really basic statement dressed up as something it isn't.

if he's scum, is scum still on the wagon? who's bussing?

[Sesq]

@sesq - i don't understand how you can be opposed to the a) game not going many places and b) a quick moving wagon?

also, 'if he's town, scum have an opportunity' seems like a really basic statement dressed up as something it isn't.

if he's scum, is scum still on the wagon? who's bussing?

The more wagons and people participating, the more likely you are to be able to pick out the scum. Also, the lack of a counterwagon here really sounds of this being a wagon on town, as if it were on scum I'd expect there to be a counter. With that and the rate at which his wagon picked up, with very little opposition just feels extremely suspicious and I'm definitely willing to bet there's scum on his wagon.

[projectmatt]

Who are the mafia on this wagon? Be specific.

[Bellaphant]

Yeah. either this is a town lynch, and mafia are on the wagon (so, who), or we've got a bussing stich. either way, sesq, who's scum?

[Sesq]

Who are the mafia on this wagon? Be specific.

I don't know, I'm just saying if this guy townflips I'm going to be suspicious of those on his wagon. I really don't have any specific scumreads, I don't have enough information to make a conclusion about goddamn near anyone.

[Bellaphant]

ew. literally, ew.

you don't have reads? how can you not have scum reads? and then if he flips town, to go into tomorrow with vague scum reads on 'his wagon', which are
Charloux, Siblings Quarrel, Transcend, Bellaphant, Intermission, projectmat
(scumish, town, town, town, scumish, idek)

just seems really week and super fake.

it's making me wonder if we're even on the right track here.

What are you gonna do to get that information?

[Siblings Quarrel]

yay bella

[Bellaphant]

can we lynch sesq?

[Siblings Quarrel]

can we lynch sesq?

not now

sheep is at L-1 and we're waiting for a claim

[Siblings Quarrel]

if we think the claim is something to abandon ship then we can surely look at sesq harder. But sheep is fucking scummy so we need this claim.

[Siblings Quarrel]

Townbloc:
Me
Bella
ECM
projectmatt
Transcend
Jester

not town bloc:
charl
sesq
sheep
inter
plague
kop -- although I feel good about kop

[Bellaphant]

I feel like sesq is confident of a town!flip and is setting up shitty reasons to have 'reads' tomorrow.

(because she's scum, obvs)

:S

[Siblings Quarrel]

that's fine.

we wait for a claim

[Siblings Quarrel]

bella if you derail this wagon...

[Siblings Quarrel]

...prematurely

[Bellaphant]

Super town
Bella
ECM
sibs
Transcend
Jester

ehhh
projectmatt
kop


not town
charl
sesq
sheep
inter
plague


fine. i'm going to bed anyway

[theplague42]

Catching up now.