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[Kelvin Smith]

Yo, I'm still me. Just with my real name now, instead of Hikari Link.

[Kelvin Smith]

Sorry, posted that from my phone, which was still logged into my old account. Fixed now.

[Kelvin Smith]

May be busy until tomorrow. You guys wanna do my a favor and not achieve a lynch right out of the gate until everyone has had a chance to check in and say a few things of substance? This includes me.

[Kelvin Smith]

The only reason not to claim ascetic D1 imo is to try to call out a fakeclaim of investigative.

Thought: Could he be an Even-Night Ascetic Serial Killer? We've only seen extra deaths during the even nights and this seems like a way to make SK strong, without making it broken, so it doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility. Also, zakk was fine with my shot at momo and he was very anti-Ramcius. I'd really need to go back and look at him to see if this is a plausible theory, but perhaps it is?

[Kelvin Smith]

What if he shot the mafia's target night 3? Night 1 doesn't need as much explanation since there was a doctor at that point.

What if who? zakk or the unknown SK? If it's zakk and he's really an Ascetic, I feel like him also being a full SK would be super OP.

[Kelvin Smith]

Seriously, what the fuck is with everybody and this "I don't want to claim" bullshit? Do you people understand what a massclaim is? Do I understand what a massclaim is?

[Kelvin Smith]

Zakk is being replaced due to being banned. Please as much as possible, try to not get banned.

You can count on me.

[Kelvin Smith]

@keyenpeydee:

I still need access to the Candor faction thread with this account.

Can someone explain to me why an Ascetic Townie is in the set-up?
Thanks.

My assumption was as a foil for the bus driver (along with the serums) / a false "positive" for any investigative roles

The PR factional serums bypass all player powers though...

If Dauntless wanted to investigate/follow you we would have been able to.

If Candor wanted to cop you, they could have got a result.

Likewise ABNEGATION could have Roleblocked you and AMITY priest'd zakk.

?

Quick question: Which, if any, faction powers are still available?

[Kelvin Smith]

The Priest one, right? Is it permanent or just for a day?

Also, that's why you use it on a heavy scumread. Keep in mind that it just stops them from hammering, so town can unvote, let them vote, then hammer. But if a bad wagon builds, it'll stop scum from quickhammering for the win.

Not saying you guys should do it now, but you really should before you are all dead. How many of you are left? I feel like the when and who of it are things we should discuss today during the day when only 2 of you are left.

[Kelvin Smith]

Don't claim, Candor already knows you are town
There's no need for you to claim that.

Zakk/kelvin, please confirm that I am town and not just not-groupscum

zakk's been banned.

Also, why do I need to confirm that? Who is even disputing that you are confirmed town?

[Kelvin Smith]

MathBlade, I think you might be a bit confused. For now, please just do as they asked and claim your role and character. I'll do my best to answer questions later.

[Kelvin Smith]

I am trying to ascertain your thought process. I townread him based off of hood things. What I am looking for is why you do since you lack access.

Because I've already explained to everyone why it is virtually impossible for me to be scum. I already claimed 1-Shot Vig and told everyone who I shot. And since there were three night kills, then there must logically be a Vig, an SK, and a Mafia. Since nobody is countering my Vig claim, then I must be telling the truth.

P-Edit: LUV ninja'd me.

[Kelvin Smith]

I haven't formed reads yet since I replaced in at deadline the previous day.

You didn't read overnight?

No. I didn't really think to.

Honestly, I generally advise against this. If you had died, it would've been a waste of your time.

[Kelvin Smith]

The thing about hood stuff is what HL revealed as to why shos and zakk were so secretive about alban. The plan HL detailed is something I have a hard time wondering how it was actual sold because zakk has been scum read all game.

Can you elaborate on this?

Why is your hood not considering Creature?

I didn't realize we weren't. But I haven't read the whole thing, so...

[Kelvin Smith]

Massclaim time, I think.

Beatrice Prior. One-Shot Vigilante. I shot momo. My bad, bro.

By the way, this is why zakk, shos, and I were so insistent on the SK theory. zakk was never a PR (to my knowledge), we just tried to heavily imply he was a Vig to draw fire onto him last night instead of me.

This plan. How was it sold?

I don't see why scum buy zakk was a PR.

Did you read my interactions with Nero Day 4? I was hinting about zakk not being an acceptable lynch target. Eventually, Nero made me outright say that zakk was a PR and that was why we couldn't lynch him.

On top of that, all three of us kept pushing the SK theory with certainty. The only reason we'd know that there was an SK is because we knew that the Vig didn't do it. Which would mean we know who the Vig is.

The reason I came up with the idea is because I was sheeping shos on his read that zakk was town, so I wanted him alive. And making him NK bait by implying that he was the Vig helped me. And once I implied it, I couldn't let him get lynched, because him flipping VT (which is what I thought his role was at the time) would have basically confirmed that I was the real Vig.

[Kelvin Smith]

Proof of role doesn't mean proof of alignment..

It pretty much does when that role is Vigilante. Do you know how unbalanced that would be otherwise?

[Kelvin Smith]

Massclaim time, I think.

Beatrice Prior. One-Shot Vigilante. I shot momo. My bad, bro.

By the way, this is why zakk, shos, and I were so insistent on the SK theory. zakk was never a PR (to my knowledge), we just tried to heavily imply he was a Vig to draw fire onto him last night instead of me.

This plan. How was it sold?

I don't see why scum buy zakk was a PR.

Did you read my interactions with Nero Day 4? I was hinting about zakk not being an acceptable lynch target. Eventually, Nero made me outright say that zakk was a PR and that was why we couldn't lynch him.

On top of that, all three of us kept pushing the SK theory with certainty. The only reason we'd know that there was an SK is because we knew that the Vig didn't do it. Which would mean we know who the Vig is.

The reason I came up with the idea is because I was sheeping shos on his read that zakk was town, so I wanted him alive. And making him NK bait by implying that he was the Vig helped me. And once I implied it, I couldn't let him get lynched, because him flipping VT (which is what I thought his role was at the time) would have basically confirmed that I was the real Vig.

Yeah but your slot wasn't heavily town read except by the people in your hood and was scum read quite a bit before that. Same with zakk. I don't think one days of work would make scum reconsider or look there, especially after Nero's flip.

Yes, but I read literally nothing of the game prior to me replacing in, so I had no reason to believe that I was scumread. And scum had plenty of reason to be concerned, I feel. Vig is a threat to scum, period. So I tried to draw any potential night kill or roleblock onto him, rather than risk that they might randomly kill me before I could get a shot off.

[Kelvin Smith]

However if you all believe I'm scum or an SK, where is Kelvin's vote?

I think I'm the only one in the faction who has never agreed that you are scum or SK. I'm still unsure and I want to interact with you more when I have a chance.

[Kelvin Smith]

Can somebody make a claim list? Because I want to keep track of who has claimed what so that I can try to start eliminating suspects.

[Kelvin Smith]

In post 3796, Creature wrote:
LUV, do you think I'm scum or SK?

I think there is a good chance you aren't town.

OMG STOP FUCKING AVOIDING

How is that avoiding?

[Kelvin Smith]

Um, we have 2 Edward flips wtf, Nero and one of last night's kills

momo actually flipped Albert, not Edward. Just a typo from Keyser, I assume.

[Kelvin Smith]

@Peregrine: We want a claim from you because a claim begins to clear up the entire picture of what's going on.

I was an SK but someone converted me to town.

Creature, why have you not been talking about this more? Why has nobody else been talking about this more?

[Kelvin Smith]

Why are you so sure of that?

Also, knowing role, regardless of new info, let's us analyze the setup a little bit for balance and all-around truthfulness.

[Kelvin Smith]

Why are you so sure of that?

Also, knowing role, regardless of new info, let's us analyze the setup a little bit for balance and all-around truthfulness.

Because if it were true, he would then proceed to tell us who he killed and why, who he thinks is scum, and would try to win with the town.

Unless you are the Psychiatrist, then there's no way he actually would be reformed. What context would provoke him to make that joke? Unless I missed something earlier, he said it unprompted.

[Kelvin Smith]

I'm still not sold on the SK in the setup thing, but looking through Elena's iso her only not-scum suspicion was zakk/Math. Elena was the night 2 kill, along with radiant.

there were 3 kills last night, including a claimed vig shot. no sk? still?

also, please claim, it is massclaim time and you're the last one. Do that now.

It will result in my NK.

At least let me finish getting it out there so you'll have something to ignore tomorrow.

Well, considering that shos is confirmed town and I'm semi-confirmed town, then you might not get NKed. And if you were, it might actually help the town confirm your story.

I'm the One-Shot Vig.

[Kelvin Smith]

I see things have gotten quite interesting while I was gone. We probably need to start working a game plan now.

[Kelvin Smith]

I see things have gotten quite interesting while I was gone. We probably need to start working a game plan now.

Uhm...My game plan is lynch all the scums.

What sort of plan did you have in mind?

That's not a game plan, that's just saying what literally has to happen for town to win.

We have to start discussing things. In particular, how we can use Peregrine's current claim to our advantage.

@Peregrine:So just to be clear, you maintain that Night 1 provided no protection from serums for Divergent, right? I know we've all been considering shos confirmed town (and I think he is), but I just want to make sure there isn't a scenario where we've fucked up.

The Rolestopper reveal makes a full SK much more possible. Either the Rolestopper, Doc, or a cross shot could explain why there was only one Death Night 1. The other time, I feel like there's a chance that either scum or the SK tried to kill shos Night 2 or 3 (can't remember which) and failed. Realizing that shos was protected somehow, they'd probably stop trying to kill him until the other protective role flipped.

I think we have to assume Peregrine will die tonight. But if he were to decide between protecting either me or shos (preferably through random means, so that it's harder for scum to call his shot), then scum/SK would either have to kill non-confirmed town or risk their kill failing.

As for today, I guess we could go with Gamma, LUV, or Creature. But perhaps we should discuss MathBlde more too. Looking at Ascetic on the wiki, it seems like an Ascetic VT is generally more of a hindrance for town than a help. Granted, with how stacked the setup seems to be in our favor, that could be why. How sure are we that MathBlade isn't scum/SK though? Killing me would've put suspicion on his slot from shos.

[Kelvin Smith]

What was the actual result you got on shos?

Aligned with Allegiant.

[Kelvin Smith]

Actually, that clears things up, Gamma. Thanks. I suppose immunity would've just said "No Result."

[Kelvin Smith]

I wasn't trying to doubtcast him any of those times. I was trying to make sense of the game.

This is possible, hence we lynch LUV and not you today. "safe measures"

I've been trying to verify your conftown status all game, bro. There's not just scum motivation there. If there is any (good) reason to believe that you aren't conftown, then it's necessary for the town to figure that out.

[Kelvin Smith]

...you are part of candor...I'm not sure what you're saying O_o

Yes, but I didn't fully understand the mechanics of the game. I said earlier in the day that I almost tried to Vig you last night because I felt like you had done something shady to get conftown status. I can see why a person would be skeptical of conftown claims. It's just a matter of whether or not someone is too skeptical.

[Kelvin Smith]

To be clear once more, I do not believe that there is a chance that shos is anything but conftown now. I was simply saying that Gamma wasn't wrong to question that status and that even I, a member of Candor, was willing to question that status.

As for our level of sync, I'm not super synced, but that's more because I haven't had the time to invest to catch up and I'm naturally suspicious when the game comes down to the wire.

[Kelvin Smith]

I'm fine with a LUV lynch here, but are we prepared to end the day or do we want to take some time to prep first?

[Kelvin Smith]

Uzi's flailing lmakes me laugh

Rb target should be declared before hammer

Might want to unvote to stop a hammer then.

We should also talk about remaining serums.

[Kelvin Smith]

Also, I still think it might be preferable to randomly select who should be protected between me and you. But if we have to delete it beforehand, I'd rather you be protected. You've got a better grasp on the gamestate than me.

[Kelvin Smith]

UNVOTE:
I'm thinking I'll target Creature with mine

And that's the one that stops them from hammering, right?

[Kelvin Smith]

It is 1 am I am tired and going to bed. I trust shos and Kelvin with the roleblock stuff. Good night.

Yeah, I'm going to bed too. I think we can continue this discussion tomorrow.

LUV, you're getting lynched here. If you're town, your last words would be useful. Don't bother if you're scum or SK; it's just a waste of your time. The lynch is inevitable.

[Kelvin Smith]

It's been 48 hours already? Whatever, let's do this, I guess.
VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert

[Kelvin Smith]

Good work, town. Sorry I added virtually nothing of value.

[Kelvin Smith]

Math, why were you planning to kill me before I replaced and why did it change once I did?

[Kelvin Smith]

very good game guys. Thank you everyone for having a nice large with no personal attacks and a nice outcome.

I'd like to take this opportunity to personally attack everyone and also to call the outcome shit. Your move, shos.

[Kelvin Smith]

very good game guys. Thank you everyone for having a nice large with no personal attacks and a nice outcome.

I'd like to take this opportunity to personally attack everyone and also to call the outcome shit. Your move, shos.

VOTE: Kelvin

he's just a bad player

I can't argue with this logic.

VOTE: Kelvin

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch, so that's L-1. Somebody drop the hammer!

[Kelvin Smith]

Wonder what would have happened if we lynched Zakk d4

I might've shot LUV during the Night. Just depends on how willing I'd be to listen to shos.

[Kelvin Smith]

Wonder what would have happened if we lynched Zakk d4

I might've shot LUV during the Night. Just depends on how willing I'd be to listen to shos.

You claimed one shot. Your usefulness to me was non existent.

If we lynched zakk Day 4, you would've been non existent.

Wait, you were a fullvig?!?!?!

I'm fairly certain I was the only Vig and I wasn't full.