Mini Normal 1983: Winter Wonderland [Endgame!]

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wassup shit this started
ucv you really need to stop trying to get town out of rvs immediately, natural progression is the best

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i played a hydra game with ucv, and we randed scum
his comments to me pregame were smth along the lines of:
"rvs are our friend, try to make them last as long as you can"
unless he's faking this on purpose, he's most likely town

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thing is im fairly certain he doesnt do it as scum
he really sincerely thinks it benefits town

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lol

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we're pmuch out of rvs and im a nonvoter
missed out on the fun lolrip

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is that an rvs vote or an opportunistic vote

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Not mafia is my second candidate for scum. They were a lot more careless as town in the last games I've played with them compared to now.

was he more careless before or is he not careless here
he seems pcareless to me

how forced is this read?

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is that an rvs vote or an opportunistic vote

is that a false dichotomy?

if it's not an rvs vote it's serious
if it's serious it's opportunistic

big vocab ew

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it's a wagon growing quickly
you/flubb both hopped on with none of your own reasoning
it's opportunistic

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VOTE: flubber
entrance still bad

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damnit

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why do you care

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i could go with either

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i guess early day wagons are good for pressure/reactions
im fine with that now
seph reacts good under some pressure
what even is a dichotomy

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nm is a pain in the ass to try to read

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tyvm for the clarification

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Don't really have any reads yet

.... i didnt ask u what ur TR were lol

that doesnt mean he cant say he has no reads

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oh i see where youre coming from in context

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kat will not have this pagetop

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pagetop

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Oh hey guys. Who are the scummies?

bit self conscious, could be scum?
VOTE: sephiroth

im not seeing how this is self conscious

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So consolidated town/p.o.e list:

Town: moz, kat, flubber,kat, sheep,

3 scum in: Seph, Inter, Serg,Hopkirk, UC, Scishm, Bjaber, Human

strongly suggest we stick to those 8, almost 50 pr cent chance already of hittng scum.

the confidence in this list is def scummy

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We have 3 good candidates already

We have 3 good candidates already

i have 4 actually !!!

can we like
say who these are

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Sheep's vote on me for a "bad entrance" after calling the votes on my wagon opportunistic is hypocritical and incredibly careless, at the very least.

i called your vote on ucv opportunistic
your enterance was forced and felt faked
how is this hypocrisy?
also, can you respond to 41

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UC/Flubber/Sephiroth/INtercinfoanwrgaergn

ucv isnt a good wagon rn, agreeing entirely with kat that the "inconsistency" isnt rlly actual inconsistency
seph i liked his reaction to some pressure
inter is nullish
flubber is a wagon im fine with atm

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the "almost 50% chance of hitting scum" struck me as scummily confident

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im not an alt btw
i played a few games on another site and mu but this is my only account on ms other than an anime alt which i havent used

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havent read anything yet except this lol

could be self conscious, procrastinating scum

fos serg

self conscious i kind of see, but procrastination usually isnt a tell

Oh we need to put UCV at l-1?

VOTE: UCV

and an opportunistic vote as well!
yeah up for seriph or serg

im psure that was an rvs response to nm pushing for putting ucv at l1

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holy shit two pages overnight

for the record I hate stupid shit like "are you town" "yes" "k ty, what about me?" "town" "ok" and pagetop comments. Do these really need to be single and separate posts? I especially hate them because from my limited experience on this site they're usually coming from town, which is annoying coz I scumread that shit fast. Too much fluff.

it's actually alignment indicative, not fluff

If this is a reaction test well here's my reaction, fix my perception of you.

self conscious

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i guess early day wagons are good for pressure/reactions
im fine with that now
seph reacts good under some pressure
what even is a dichotomy

This gives me the impression you weren't seriously opposed earlier since you backed down- and townread Seph- based purely on a basic explination of what he was doing. 'It's an extension of RVS' is explaining intent, not a good or a bad reaction unless you actually have thoughts on the intent. I don't like the way you changed perspectives here.

i feel like with a sort of wagon growing quickly onto him scum!seph would have panicked
he felt rlly calm

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Nah, multiple wagons is good. It has to go through a transition phase.

+1

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hop's line of thinking is natural and genuine, him and kat are both likely town

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he has a unique townread so you scumread him?
it's just different reads

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blatant omgus

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somewhat scummy in the way that the sr feels forced bc they arent actually scummy things

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i also dont like how you're defending hopkirk

i townread him, and i dont think he's a good place to put votes
what's wrong with that

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Katyusha is right UNVOTE:

VOTE: Hopkirk

If Flubb is town, Hopkirk is scum, probably. "how?" Whiteknighting players without second guessing when most could see that UC and Flubb were sus. And also I'm sheeping Kat.

UC is completely null for me you know right?

UC is completely null for me you know right?

what. why is that relevant

reading through that conversation later @kat

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tbh it would be efficient if ucv just came us and told him abt the vote lol
the two possibilities, regardless of alignment, are that a) he acknowledges that rvs exists and participates in it, but he wants to keep it short
b) he picked someone who participated in rvs and voted him for doing smth he sees as scummy
i think i see where you two are both coming from
i might have zoomed over this, but

@hop

if ucv's vote is serious, what do you think of his alignment
also, if the vote was serious, i think he would have said smth about the other two rvs voters?
to 146 i dont think kat is treating it as more than it really is, it's scummy if it's a serious vote and kat seems to think it might be one
i dont think either of you are scum atm

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actually, see this game
ucv is town who still participates in rvs and then states this

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where's he misrepping events
this wasnt your original reason
im defending him bc i tr him and it's an ugly wagon

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i would bet on you being the scum in that dialogue if i thought there was scum in there rn
youre a tough read :/

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im actually somewhat convinced
the way he says hem disliked ucv to reason a push on him is scummy
it could be a possible misunderstanding but im reconsidering the read atm

pedit reading that wehn im not in class but what does eric andre have anything to do with this

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and

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pagetop

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i agree that the last hop post in that sequence feels out of place

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lolrip

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so you do have scumpartners
i can catch up tonight, i go to school and i have soccer practice rip

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pagetop?

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fuck no

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@hop

can we use post tags

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VOTE: Not_Mafia L-1 this pls and make him claim.

does anyone else feel like this is done only for the claim

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do you see why i think there's only scum intention and no town intention there
nm is never today's lynch btw if that was made clear

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he scumreads you

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or poe i think he said

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usually lol

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I think UCV could easily be scum this game based on meta

no way in hell

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what's wk
also btw
this isnt an opinion, there's no way you can meta scumread ucv rn

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i see where youre coming from with it being a scum slip
personally i think it wasnt an accident that hem used the term whiteknighting, probably either wrong usage or by poe reads or smth

pedit no i havent heard of that

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well now i have

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lol
everything's abt me D:D:D:D:

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wait can someone talk to me im so lonely
im not motivated to read yet

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i mean
i personally find it annoying when ppl say tr'ing two ppl who attack each other is inconsistent or smth
ive only skimmed seph's push but it's perfectly possible tvt so i wouldnt call you tr'ing both unreasonable
i skipped the hem chunk so im null on him for now but seph's reasoning appears more town line of thought atm

pedit i guess we can just wait until prods

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pagetop?

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ucv isnt really lurking
it's been like one day

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would you be willing to say why you have the scumlean
iirc you said meta

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i thought about this on the way home
it is safe to say that ucv thinks his scum play isnt bad
i find it almost impossible to represent how much ucv thinks short rvs is beneficial to town
i dont think ucv would put me having him as town with some doubt over forcing rvs to shorten

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there is

NO

world in which ucv's entrance is aggressive

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yo

@ucv

can you like
notice this

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no
next

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no
next

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I didn't like how flubb and seph just came in and joined a bandwagon. I thought that was scummy but that odds are no two scum partners would do that.

1) these days this doesnt actually mean scum in those two
2) associations like this dont work, there isnt any actual interaction between the two of them in this case

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I think one scum is pretty likely in {Serg/UC/Schism} btw

can we not do this type of grouping pls it's annoying

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eagerness to connect with people from sheep

im friendly :3
does this type of stuff need to be noted lol

also inter spotting bu's inconsistency is a nice catch
bu's shifting to a scumlean
i can like actually organize my thoughts tmrw when i shouldnt be sleeping

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I think one scum is pretty likely in {Serg/UC/Schism} btw

can we not do this type of grouping pls it's annoying

what do you have against POE

it's not even poe he's just taking a group of ppl
why the hell is schism there

also ucv can you like
do the shit you need to do

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in particular help me read you

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shit
and with that he was gone with the wind
i mean that popin is incredibly wolfy

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he doesnt actually try to do anything or see what's going on or that type of bullshit

other than hop for a few moments the lack of counterwagons is what's making me confused rn

also fuck the readthrough ;-;

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dont h8 me 4 this

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pagetop

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what he is doing is POE. if we lynch X, X, and X, we will hit scum. it has worked really good many times. what do you find bad about it. the fact that a player is there that you think should not be there?

except it's literally d1 and you dont always just put out a 3 player pool that has scum in 10:3
personally i think someone who hasnt even posted should not be in there

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ignore what i said about lack of counterwagons; there's healthy one man wagons and resistance against this wagon
it doesnt concern me atm
cant catch up rn

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schism isnt lurking; he/she last visited the site on the 7th

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i feel like i should read hop vs hem lol

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does nobody else want to talk about how wolfy ucv's popin was

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from what ive read, my scumreads are ucv, you, bu, hop which might change when i read what happened overnight
i havent payed a whole lot of attention to hem or serg so i might want to look at them later

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245

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pagetop

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What do you think of my case on HUM?

i think i should read it when im not in passing period

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holy shit

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it's a wall ew

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i mean like

@flubb

sometimes i go for a reaction and i dont get anything i think helps so i just dont analyze it
like nm's reaction was literally "im not claiming" and then he disappeared with the wind, i dont think that's a really ai response

im looking through the hem iso to try to check the rest of your points

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the meta wasnt strong
he's nullscum
it wasnt a drastic change but the popin was really bad to me

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like back to that hydra game he literally would just come in and say smth like that that wasnt actually productive at all
im psure he tries harder as town

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can you try to sell me on there being scum in flub/seph

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i just dont see how youre ending up with that at all

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It's Flubb and Hopkirk, but Hopkirk-Buj does not make sense. So it could be sheep, as the third partner. Quote this in end game.

sheep isnt the third partner, do you still want this quoted
flubb im fine with, hop im sort of fine with, buj im fine with

how does hop/buj not work

i think i should be reading kat's case but i dont want to

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Scum probably has day chat (OP would not say anything about it otherwise)

thinks about this

with all due respect sir, what are you on

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what defense now

holy shit this quickposting

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kat is town
i will think abt hem after kat explaining her hem townread

i should give myself breaks too

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i was following his reasoning and seeing where his thoughts were coming from
i didnt see any actual case behind the wagon
i thought it was a bad wagon

kat's reasoning and case is actually really convincing
i agreed with the confidence in the flubb read, the inconsistency in his opinion about the wagon, the meta was lazy, and some weird post in the interaction about ucv

whoa there i just got called aggressive lol

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pagetop i think

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You're right, 2 votes is not very many.

unvote, vote: HEM

why does the wagon being small matter?
would you still vote hem if there were like four people on his wagon?

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like if you sr him and you vote him you want there to be a big wagon i think?
like i only see this being scum trying to stay off large wagons

can you walk me through the thought process or smth

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oh i see how i misinterpreted that

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pagetop

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lolrip

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can someone tell me what occam's razor is

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wait i saw the word hydra
can someone hydra with me after this game

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people obviously seemed to be annoyed by you bc this feels very you + me vs everyone else and sheep kind of unsure

yay im special
tbh it's more of you two powering and everyone else lurking
i mean i feel like this means smth that i dont want to be thinking about 20 minutes before an exam

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ive outposted everyone D:

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can we talk about serg wanting to massclaim

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like it's pmuch dependent on why he wanted to massclaim

@SERG WHY YOU WANT MASSCLAIM

pedit he asked "why not"
it's likely serious tbh

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i feel all over the place
like i want to fix it
i dont have the actual motivation to

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Didn't we have this conversation? Found both scummy for their entrance and vote on UCV. Didn't think they would copy each other if they were both scum, so I concluded that only 1 is scum.

they can very well both be town, they can very well both be scum
determine not w/w by interactions that feel forced, not by them both doing the same scumtell
this isnt even that scumtelly

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I don't know if it's just me or my ego or what, but it also irked me that flubb hasn't mentioned me. Why is he trying to distance himself? I think he wants to drag me down with him after he flips, or let town mislynch me on their own.

how many other people do you think flubb hasnt mentioned yet

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also there is no way we will be lynching kat today

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im not seeing how the fuck inter can end up as someone's "much harder to convince me to lynch" pile alongside kat

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probably in one of the blobs i skipped over

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oh i misinterpret like all of your posts lolrip

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what does he do to end up as town tho

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I liked the posts when he made them.

can you specify which posts you like
or go into more detail

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VOTE: Bujaber
Meant to do this in 151.

fos

think i have done this as scum, he's nervous , doubting himself, thinking "shit, i should have for bub, but ididnt, shit!"
town may not bother voting here.

i mean i see scum do this just as much as i see town do
town also just like to be on the player theyre sr'ing too?

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pagetop yey
NO FUCK

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yeah i looked at inter's bu vote and it actually seems really genuine

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i like moz's ketchup

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the thread grows faster than he can read lolrip

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prods are after 48 hours
im psure it's been approx that much time

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moz's tone is good

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pagetop

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serg's reaction test def seems more town than scum

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Want mulch to sub in

does no one else like
feel sort of sorry for flubb

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If you spent half as much time scumhunting as you do hunting for pagetops I would probably town read you. Just saying.

i dont think i'll try to fix this in my playstyle for a long time after this game lmao

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you are either blind or stupid, since i gave out reads very quickly - too quicklyu according to some - and you cant get purer content than reads.
tl;dr: STFU.

tbh this tone isn't good at all. toxic for really no reason =/

toxicity usually isnt alignment indicative, im psure it is nai here
you chose to quote one of the less towny posts

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What do you think has players pegging sheep as obvtown?

i want to know this too actually lol

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and

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pagetop
good night

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can you do more?

who is this to
do you want me to be doing more
if so no

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soccer season start i need to make the team :/

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Especially serg being a bumblebee because he tries to lurk as scum when things are chaotic enough as it is to acoid being read

does he do this as town
he seems not very active in general

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ucv is doyouknow
i think lynching lurkers is unhelpful d1 because we have not a lot of info going into the next day
also we have actual scummy players

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townblock of kat, hem, moz, nm

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UNVOTE:

this isnt a good lynch anymore
town line of thinking recently
and i agree with moz that he did well under pressure

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pagetop

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It's reading time

woot woot

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VOTE: doyouknowdeway

he's def avoiding the thread/lurking
see if i can get actual content from this slot

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i played this game on mu where i was scum and our entire scumteam just lurked and pussywolfed and some powertowns dominated the discussion
this really feels like then, the way the wagons shift and reads change and the shared townblock grows and i have too many townreads

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i played this game on mu where i was scum and our entire scumteam just lurked and pussywolfed and some powertowns dominated the discussion
this really feels like then, the way the wagons shift and reads change and the shared townblock grows and i have too many townreads

that is most games lol

like this game feels like it is progressing really quickly

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Am I counting wrong or did Serg hammer Bu on 30

counting wrong i hope

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i suggest thesp's auto votecounter

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who are we more up for lynching?both of the could well be scum.

follow your heart tbh

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pagetop i think

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oh shit

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lolrip

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that was a nice reaction test tbh

i fail the reaction test

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lolrip this is why you use auto vote counters

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boo

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@seph flubb

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why is this town again

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he didnt say you werent talking to monkey

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Bussing is a thing. I don't have any problem with the Bu lynch considering how much it tells us. It seems like you are very afraid of a Bu lynch.

basically if the players on bu's wagon are bussing then it's a bad idea because they have other options that they can easily hop on to

pagetop

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the schism slot to post

i guess i am putting schism aside until tomorrow. it's a "fos on the back burner"

iirc there are like 9 days until deadline
we can wait it out

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ugh moz is town

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I disagree with UCV lynch. Feels like flipping a coin because people can't decide who to lynch.

blatantly avoiding the thread and not trying to game progress or know what's going on when he pops in
my vote was mostly for pressure hoping to squeeze out some content and it turned into a wagon lol

Feels like this game has lasted a week already .. has schism slot been replaced or at least prodded?

3 days i think lol

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shit that's a lot of pages

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there are 8 days

dont claim

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i voted him for lack of content
if he literally produces some towny content i'll hop off

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and for being scummy actually yeah
i feel like a claim might not be necessary for him to try to redirect the wagon?

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rem's catchup felt natural

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i have a townblock of kat, hem, moz, rem, and nm which im like 80% sure in

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lol i agree with that actually

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ucv is

avoiding

the thread

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when he comes here
he'll have been prodded

you realize that?

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rip

also 9pm what time zone

also

I feel like UCV lynch is bad but whatever.

he doesnt like it but "whatever" ?
pingy as fuck

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how is that unacceptable
moz is town

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hop defending against the ucv lynch really does feel unnatural
am i the only one that scumleans seph

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would it be beneficial to wait for ucv to get replaced and then have the replacement claim
like if he's a strong semi confirmable pr this would be a huge loss
we would still have a lot of time to redirect a lynch too

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Does anyone in the game scumread Sheep/NM/Rem

three towns
no

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hop defending against the ucv lynch really does feel unnatural
am i the only one that scumleans seph

What's unnatural about 'lets vote scumreads instead of inactives'

like
you dont have a read on ucv
but you seem strongly against his lynch
when we did provide our reasons
it just feels forced

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kat is obvtown

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nah

pedit yeah what she said

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yeah that multi iso actually makes me rlly sold
like everything inter posts just doesnt feel like it comes with the intention of moving the game forward
i could consider redirecting at this point

also the way rem puts it is obvtown

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Meh. Are you ready to do smth useful yet?

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fuck this shit
VOTE: intern
i thought this over and i think the reasons for this lynch are much stronger

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i might consider switching back to ucv if he just comes back from his prod and does nothing to step up his game
but we can give his replacement a chance; im much more confident in scum!inter after the iso

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i'll look into seph rn
can someone tell me why they tr him first

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that's cute

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do you have anything else game advancing to say

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meep

my line

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ugh

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this role is somewhat confirmable

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VOTE: dykdw
idc if there is scum rber or smth; if there's no second kill after n1 or n3 that you can claim w/o cc's youre getting lynched

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sk's in mini normals usually make some ppl hate the mod i think

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katy is a her

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the pedit is to a post 20 minutes ago
the pedit2 is to a post 2 minutes ago

what happened here

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no stahp kat isnt piggybacking ew
do you want to like
find somewhere where that happens

also walls are bad
and kat has too many walls too

kat is like one of the most obvtown rn

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kat/rem/nm/moz townblock solidifying
flubb is a townlean

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hem is lowered a small small bit
like im not getting the same town feeling anymore

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i need to sort serg/seph/hop/bu

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what's leashing