Micro 798 - Splatoon Mafia - Game Over

[doomfeathers]

You people are all weird.

VOTE: Lycanfire

[doomfeathers]

Join the

Mylo

vote and you won't think everyone is so weird?

Why?

[doomfeathers]

wagons in rvs are good things.

I agree. I do the same thing sometimes.

I'm good with my vote for now.

[doomfeathers]

Why are you good with your vote for now?

He's doing little and hasn't really posted anything relevant to the game.

Lol, Mylo is a nickname, ninja came out of nowhere tbh and 13 is my lucky number. I use it on almost every site I'm on.


Anyway, nice to see this has started! I haven't played Splatoon much, but the few times I have I enjoyed it!

Where's your vote?

An excellent question.

Join the

Mylo

vote and you won't think everyone is so weird?

Why?

1)

If you're unsure of the playerlist, you could do something to gauge for a reaction.

2)

I was gauging to see how you'd feel about jumping on a wagon this early in the game.

3)

I like that you questioned me.

1. Good advice, but there are plenty of reactions. I'm just watching them for now. RVS has taken a while, but it has been pretty fruitful.
2. It already had three voters, so I figured that was good enough. (And then later I realized that would have been L1, so my not voting possibly saved the day. Good for me.)
3. Well, thanks.

But I mean, are you going to even look at the wagon that was placed on you?

I was getting some gut townpings from HS's at post but I didn't know where it stemmed from, but after you said this I realized what was prompting that vibe.

He just like .... didn't care about the page 1 L-2 wagon on him, and didn't like even react or comment to it at all. I feel like scum would have had *some* sort of reaction to that.

Like that post just feels very carefree to me.

We're barely out of RVS. Is there any real danger of being lynched?

lycanfire wagon is meh, nothing AI.
your hydra might be scum though.
VOTE: Vartsun

Because...?

gut? it feels like you're trying to look protown by asking a range of questions that lead to nothing.

Nah, I think he's genuine. I townlean Vartsun.

Unofficial votecount:
Vartsun: Ausuka, Lycanfire, Human Sequencer
Human Sequencer: Skitter, Voyc
Myloninja: Vartsun
doomfeathers: brassherald
Lycanfire: doomfeathers

Other things I've noticed:
Voyc hasn't received nearly enough attention.
Ausuka switches votes a LOT.

[doomfeathers]

Ausuka leans town too. Everyone else is still suspicious, including Mylo and Human Sequencer.

[doomfeathers]

Current assessment of gamestate: Far too much fight and too little think.

Ausuka leans town too.

Why do you think so?

Call it gut. She looks as though she's genuinely hunting.

doomfeathers' reads on mylo and me feel like they were born from genuine confusion and mystique about the game state

Where did I look confused? ',:|

Talk to me about

Human Sequencer

.

He's managed to get all the way up to "null" with his hunting, which is higher than a lot of others so far.

Plus, how is

Ausuka

town in your eyes?

Lots of vote-switching and gun-pointing.

doomfeathers' reads on mylo and me feel like they were born from genuine confusion and mystique about the game state and his desire to move the game state forward scream town to me. I don't think it's being faked (it's possible, but I doubt it)

it's north mentioning that out of the players not participating too much in the thread at that point (hs, mylo, voyc, brassherald, lycanfire) he specifically mentions hs and mylo as suspicious and says that voyc needs more attention without commenting on the other two at all
so oh the odd chance doom flips scum i think lycanfire and brass herald are a good place to look for second

32 is pretty questionable
I'd like for you to participate a little more in the rest of the thread voyc

Not even 40 posts and we have a dichotomy. You say

doomfeathers

is town, but you're looking at a reality where he flips scum, and are already placing 2 potential partners here.

There's no dichotomy. I'm not conftown; being prepared is a good idea. I do the same thing.

2)

I'm asking again, what are your thoughts on the votes on

Lycanfire

?

I've told you once, and I'll tell you again; Lycanfire has done nothing indicative of alignment, and I don't care about the votes on him.

Huh. If Ausuka or Lycanfire flips scum, we might wish to investigate the other.

Wow. There is definitely a chance Ausuka's case on Vartsun is contrived; I think it's pretty poor. But I still think she's a diversion from the real scum.

I think I'm town leaning Ausuka basically just off her calm nature in a line of suspicion. Few players do that, and much less scum players do that.

Where "calm" means "flying into a rage and throwing things".

I was phone posting earlier and the Ausuka v. Vorpal Blade hydra is still "meh" to me.

+townpoints here.

Is anyone interested in wagoning Voyc? Several people have mentioned that she's scummy. (I still prefer Lycanfire, but I can't do much by myself.)

[doomfeathers]

Is anyone interested in wagoning Voyc? Several people have mentioned that she's scummy. (I still prefer Lycanfire, but I can't do much by myself.)

My first reaction was "Who?" then I reread the thread and she has one post so my reaction is therefore "Why?"

Two posts, actually, and that's the reason. This is the third day IRL; she should have been able to post more than that. However, she does appear to be trying to do something when she does post, unlike Lycanfire, who is apparently just messing around. Also, she's pretty new, and Lycanfire's not so much.

[doomfeathers]

Seriously, look at this. Lycanfire's been around; he was early this morning. Here's all he's posted:

VOTE: Vartsun

You're a kid now, you're a squid now

Join the

Mylo

vote and you won't think everyone is so weird?

Why?

Taly is a fan of mislynching and losing. You might think they're joking. They're serious about this.

Who is this? XD I'm pretty serious about getting worthwhile discussion going.

I feel like after correctly identifying Varsoon as a killing role day 1 of Darkest Dungeon
and basically having to run the scumteam up until he vigged me on night 3, you shouldn't have to ask who I am if Varsoon thought sorting me early was at all a consideration today.

What kinds if discussion do you want to have?

He's not helping anything; in fact, he seems confused by the suggestion that we need discussion. My gut says he's scum.

[doomfeathers]

Forgive me if I don't want to stop wagoning him just because his play looks scummy at other times as well.

[doomfeathers]

I was phone posting earlier and the Ausuka v. Vorpal Blade hydra is still "meh" to me.

+townpoints here.

Why do you call him towny for this?[/quote]
Because it was the same thing I was thinking.

brassherald's push on mylo feels genuine and towny but i don't rly agree with it
don't think it's faked

mylo if you don't post more you're next, after voyc
we really need to get this game into get guys

Voyc is new. Don't you think Mylo is scummier?

He's doing little and hasn't really posted anything relevant to the game.

I mean, you could have said that about a lot of people at that stage, so I don't really get why you were making an announcement about liking your RVS vote ten posts after you made it.

Call it gut. I think he's especially scummy, and I wanted to call attention to him.

We're barely out of RVS. Is there any real danger of being lynched?

I don't think so, not particularly. I do, however, think that scum would be cognizant of a decent-sized wagon on them that early and, like, care about it and that therefore there'd be some indication that they at least noticed the wagon, and there wasn't from him.

When I'm scum, I go out of my way to ignore wagons on me.

im fairly sure lycanfire will come around and start posting alignment indicative content eventually

Helpful, thank you.

I would not be interested in starting a Voyc wagon. This is still early-game, and not having contributed much so far definitely doesn't make her scum. If she's still barely posted anything towards the end of the day, she'd be a better wagon, but right now it's just meh to me.

this is really bad
i take it back let's not do a voyc wagon

vote ausuka

this gels really poorly with your comments earlier about rvs wagons being good

like I can see a perspective for each side, "early pressure wagons are good because they generate informational and propel the gamestate forward" and "there's no point voting x because they haven't done anything scummy and there's still plenty of time left"
which makes me think you're haphazardly throwing fake perspectives around as you wish to fit what you need at that particular time

I don't think that's true. Those two viewpoints are, in fact, compatible; lots of town don't play as I wish they would, but I don't always scumread them for it.

Wagons for no/little reason are good in RVS, when there's nothing AI to go on. Right now, this game absolutely does not fit that description, and there's not much point in wagoning a lurker right now IMO.

I think there is. Most people who are involved look decently townie to me, whereas the lurkers for the most part don't.

Voyc's still not my favorite lynch target, but I'll compromise and make a wagon.

VOTE: Voyc
That's L2.

[doomfeathers]

Correction: Everyone active except Skitter looks decently townie. I'm still suspicious of her, but I couldn't say why.

[doomfeathers]

Hm. Your points are very convincing, but I'd have to reread the game to see whether I believe them to be true. I have a headache right now, but I'll get to it later.

[doomfeathers]

that's actually a good point, this isn't anything like her towngame. that makes this wagon a lot better.
VOTE: Voyc

Are you going off from what brass said or did you look into them yourself?
The wording seems to indicate the latter but for some reason I'm not buying it

I got bored of reading their squabble about three wallposts ago.

VOTE: Lycanfire

[doomfeathers]

I got bored of reading their squabble about three wallposts ago.

VOTE: Lycanfire

This is that shit I'm talking about.

-V

You guys make it way too complicated. Too much argument makes for WIFOM.

@doomfeathers i don't think either is scummy because neither has been fuckin posting
my pushes on the, are solely to make them interact more with the promise of legitimate pressure somewhere down the line if they still refuse to play the game

I happen to think certain ways of lurking are scummier than others, that you can read lurkers, and that lurking is rather scummy. I've won games with lurkerhunts. My vote on Voyc was for pressure. My vote on Lycanfire is more serious.

Not sure why he keeps pushing on Lycan even after he acknowledges Lycan does this as his towngame, either.

That's not quite accurate. I acknowledged brassherald's analysis that said Lycanfire posts this way as either alignment, but I didn't check it out for myself, since I'd read his behavior as scummy either way. If a player consistently plays in a scummy faction, he should be wagoned for it, since he's playing against the town's win condition.

It's going to be hilarious if Ausuka and Vartsun turn out to be distancing scum.

Hm. Your points are very convincing, but I'd have to reread the game to see whether I believe them to be true. I have a headache right now, but I'll get to it later.

Upon rereading, have you had any changes in thoughts/reads?

I think you're wrong. It wasn't producing much content, but more spitting out loads of text, and was getting hard to read. And the Voyc wagon didn't come out of nowhere; I suggested it, HS decided to pressure, and brassherald and Ausuka voted based on meta.

You went from saying her inactivity (even though its only been 2-3) is NAI; but

literally

15 minutes later, you vote her based on meta without any reasoning.

Isn't that just a little contradictory? Do you not consider meta a valid reason to vote?

the end of 92 is overly hateful and aggressive

it has no real place in the game and just breeds toxicity
if ausuka is town all it's going to do is make them want to participate less and interact with you less, which will make you scumread her even harder
if ausuka is scum it's just gonna make her feel fucking awful for actually playing the game and trying to reach her wincon

get your act together, varsoon

apart from that thread feels ded
let's get shit happening town

i'd like every single person who hasn't interacted with the ausuka wagon to post a justified read on the slot and justification as to why you're on or off the wagon

lurkers stop lurking please

I agree with pretty much all of this post. I'll ISO Ausuka at some point.

[doomfeathers]

Brassherald and Human Sequencer are my top townreads right now. Since HS isn't far above null, that's not optimal.

Skitter's moving up my town list, though.

And before you call my frustration feigned or scummy, you can see how I reacted in a much more frustrated and violent way in Death's Diner, to the point where I should have been forced out the game : viewtopic.php?f=56&t=30226

Pardon me for not reading all 156 pages of the game to find out just how nasty you can be.

@Skitter: Awkward, because I feel that Ausuka is misrepping our interrogative playstyle as 'busywork'. THAT'S what I was being critical of.
HS has consistently called my back and forth with Ausuka 'wall posts' and things that make their eyes roll back and all of that. They've perpetuated the awful idea that anything more than shorthand on A FORUM GAME should be snoozed at and glazed over.

Why do you scumread HS and not me for that? I thought I was the one who said "wall posts" in the first place anyway.

Vartsun and Ausuka are regaining towncred; they both seem to want to resolve things rather than to create a hailstorm of misunderstandings to perpetuate.

and then you have the balls to go around pretending like your antisocial, abusive playstyle is just because you're not 'spineless' like everybody else
it's called being decent and considerate
maybe when you start shouting a little less you'll actually remember what those words mean

He apologized for that, though.

Anybody up to wagon Myloninja? He's definitely scummier than Voyc was, and the Voyc wagon worked out well anyway.

[doomfeathers]

I'm merely putting pressure on your slot. It's very important to have conviction when pushing someone. If I was half-assed about it, you could ignore my push altogether and it'd be less effective in generating content--and I need that content to actually further sort your slot and help other players further sort your slot.

While I agree in principle, that was some serious determination for a pressure push without certainty. I'll have to ISO Vartsun to see whether that's plausible.

Should I try to be more transparent with what conclusions people's answers lead me to, or why I'm asking the questions that I am?
I'm already so verbose that some people aren't reading my posts as-is.

-V

Wasn't just you.

Like, it's hard for me to follow your justification of going from being voted by Ausuka --> Asking Ausuka to vote Voyc with you --> Voting Ausuka.
I don't get it, and if you could help me understand, that'd help a lot.

-V

You can team up with people you're not sure are town on a wagon. I do it all the time.

Ooh, more scumreading of Myloninja. This wagon has potential.

@Ausuka: If you're putting people at L-2, do you not intend to see them lynched?

That doesn't have to be the case in a Micro where L2 is three votes. I put Voyc at L2.

I've seen scum push through RVS wagons and I've seen scum control game rhetoric plenty of times--I've done it a lot as scum, myself.

That's actually interesting; can I have a link to one of these games? I've never seen a RVS wagon get to lynch, and I would expect that if that happened, whoever quickhammered the wagon would be almost instantly lynched d2.

I've seen TOWN quickhammer long before deadline on a wagon that wasn't mean to lynch yet. I won't put anyone I don't want to lynch at L1.

And both inactive people posted. Sweet.

Nuts, I've got to leave. I'll get back to the game later.

[doomfeathers]

Note to self: Caught up to post 136.

[doomfeathers]

UNVOTE: Lycanfire

Doomfeathers;

where have you been for the past 2 days? What do you think about

Lycanfire

after he's posted more content?

Also, how are you reading

Brass

and

Ausuka

at the moment?

I've been busy. I should be more active, though perhaps posting only about once per (real-life) day.

I'm looking over Lycanfire. I lean both brassherald and Ausuka town, brassherald more strongly.

So just saying, it's really not RVS anymore

*gasps in shock*

Skitter covered a few questions I had to Lycanfire. Thank you, skitter. +townpoints to you.

Let's not lynch Myloninja until he's had a chance to post. If he doesn't post, though, I'll be on the wagon.

[doomfeathers]

Spoiler: @Lycanfire

I have a pretty clear TR on Skitter just from the pointed questions she's been asking ("why brass over voyc?"). The worst thing she's possibly done is never interact with Ausuka while using one of their quotes as a defense. I noted in the Team Mafia tiebreaker that Leonshade whiteknighting GIF to his buddy was a safe play, which somehow turned into a blind TR of his buddy later on for no reason. Don't ask how we lost the tiebreaker. I suppose what I'm trying to say is this isn't super wolfy, but if Skitter is a wolf, Ausuka is a villager.

I'm not sure I agree with that. Scum might be tempted to avoid interactions with their partners. I know I am when I'm scum.

Doomfeathers is seemingly suspicious of everything. Wanton suspicion is townie, but it's a house of cards deal. If you have so many concurrent thoughts how are you able to rationalize them all at the same time? At some point you have to make assumptions. Even uncomfortable ones. If the disparity is so great, it's absolutely expected to lash out at the people causing you dissonance and 'correct' what is wrong. I suppose what I'm trying to say is, I'd expect more questions and a lot more sense. I want a dancing bear, not a juggler.

I've had higher priorities, namely you and Myloninja. If you want to find what's hidden, you don't look at the people making a scene and drawing attention. I don't really understand the dancing bear metaphor, though.

The Mylo vote from Ausuka feels kneejerky in the vein of skitter mentioning hesitancy... from Ausuka relating to Mylo. I mean, townies can do the whole "yeah i can vote anyone and it doesn't matter in the grand scheme" thing, the issue is well in the tail lights where it ought to matter to them to begin with, to y'know, justify voting anyone not proving themselves to be town. At the same time Skitter and Brass aren't doing anything different minus the different situation. Basically, effort.

What about me? I was in favor of the Mylo wagon. Do I get a diss for it?

Vartsun is either a VI or scum. The hard dodge from the Varsoon head is frankly disingenuous to me. Varsoon is meticulous in modding games, yet recently (<2 months) put me on a list of people that played his games to completion. Here's a thing to note: I've never played in any of his games or to completion. I played Steven Universe 2 as part of a hydra account, got fed up with the playerlist and flaked out day 2. Obviously I was on his mind a year after this game when he made this list for whatever reason. I can't say I had a standout performance in that game enough to be remembered. I had pretty much no worthwhile impact beyond saying some townie things that kept my hydra partner from being turbolynched as fast as they could have been.

What 'hard dodge' from Varsoon are you referring to?

What does the list have to do with your read on the slot here?

That's what I was going to ask, so I'm just going to note that I'm also looking for an answer. Is this talking about 33 where Taly doesn't recognize you?

They're impersonal, not dedicated to finding scum while trying to create the illusion that they actually care. Despite holding out on hoping I would make an AI post I feel like I was already doing good things™ in my question toward the Taly head, which I had the impression HS made a major pass over of it despite keeping their vote on the hydra when they made

@vartsun
i looked at it
i laughed at it
i conquered
is that how the saying goes

doomfeathers' reads on mylo and me feel like they were born from genuine confusion and mystique about the game state and his desire to move the game state forward scream town to me. I don't think it's being faked (it's possible, but I doubt it)

it's north mentioning that out of the players not participating too much in the thread at that point (hs, mylo, voyc, brassherald, lycanfire) he specifically mentions hs and mylo as suspicious and says that voyc needs more attention without commenting on the other two at all
so oh the odd chance doom flips scum i think lycanfire and brass herald are a good place to look for second

32 is pretty questionable
I'd like for you to participate a little more in the rest of the thread voyc

Right afterward. For all the hope that I'd do something AI, HS is certainly trying hard to pretend that I never questioned Taly's intention to find scum when the expected behavior was to enable me in some way - "yeah fuck that vartsun person" / "hey lycan you like asking questions why don't you do more of that "

I'm not quite sure what you're saying. Are you saying

Join the

Mylo

vote and you won't think everyone is so weird?

Why?

Taly is a fan of mislynching and losing. You might think they're joking. They're serious about this.

Wasn't intended to be taken as a joke?

Lycan still looks shady, but not enough to lynch. Same for Voyc.

I'm waiting to hear what Myloninja has to say.

HS, Vartsun, and Ausuka have posted a lot and I need to review them.

Skitter and brassherald I lean town.

I've got to go to bed. I'm leaving my vote on
VOTE: Vartsun
for now after managing to review a little bit. His logic and accusations looked rather shady.

[doomfeathers]

I'd disagree with doom's 148 which seems to imply that Lycan is still a bit lower than Voyc in terms of towny level (You know, our 1 to Innocent Child scale that I'm totally not making up as a joke because I am using a dumb term.) Right now, if there were more posts like 137 and the lazy posting of Voyc continues, I'd be advocating for a Voyc lynch over a lycan lynch. In short,

@doom

, we may need to talk to each other a bit about the two of those slots later on.

Nah, "same" means "same". I was just saying that both are rather shady but not top lynch targets at the moment. Actually, I'd probably agree with you that Voyc is scummier than Lycanfire.

[doomfeathers]

replace me

fuck this game
brings out the worst in people, me included

if I ever come back to this site again don't let me sign up for any more games gamma
this happens every time
mafia is shit

Should we wagon this slot?

Hi. I should be replacing HS, but I will keep it short until Gamma announces it officially.

FTR, I started reading the first page and I got sick to the stomach. You guys are awful. Who the fuck starts the game with a joke then spends 3 goddamn posts explaining it? Who cares? And who asks for an explanation on a RVS vote on page one? And through skimming the rest of the thread I see lots of OMGUS voting too. It's as if many are being deliberately bad or want to look scummy, but Vartsun steals the oscars and the grammys for it by a large margin.

I'll do a proper reread and decide whether I want to play or just call you all names and replace out.

Chill already.

Words like OMGUS and LAMIST should never ever be used by town.

Why not? I do sometimes.

@brassherald, doom, could I ask why you're townreading/townleaning the HS slot?

I never had him above null that I can remember.

Can't speak for Taly, but I think you're more likely town than scum solely based on the way votes and wagons have gone so far today.

-V

Interesting. Care to expound?

@Skitter TBH TBH TBH to you as well.

I'm feeling kinda apathetic tbh.

The game is more toxic/hostile than I'd like.

And people aren't really posting and like, I don't really see much new to talk about since the last time I posted tbh.

@mod: can you prod mylo please?

And doom and ausuka are up for prods in a couple of hours too.

I got prodded, and I'm here. Sorry about that. Let's see if we can still have some civil Mafia play.

To everyone throwing in the towel and replacing out: You guys do realize we could have repaired the game with a policy lynch or two, right?

Welcome to Nero Cain. You're decent if I remember correctly.

You know what, no. Screw this. We're 8 pages in, sorry to Gamma to do this, but even if the atmosphere is better later on the beginning of this game was horrible full of too many personal attacks, and I'm not going to get over that. I can't play to my wincon if I won't be able to get over the toxic atmosphere of the first 7 pages. It takes a bigger man than I to get over this.

doomfeathers is still cool.

UNVOTE:

@mod, replace me too. Sorry

Eckgh... I can see how this can be genuine; but with the other replace-outs, I feel like this is more of an excuse.

I'm still withdrawing further judgment until a replacement comes in.

~ Taly

True enough.

doom I just kinda give a town lean to anyway, he's solid, kinda annoyed at the game state, exactly what I've seen doom!town do.

I'm sorry, I don't remember. What game have we played together?

Ausuka is a solid town read for me, just consistent strong play.

Vartsun is the player with the most posts, which means he gets some points as I've generally found the highest posting players town. But his actions, specifically the actions that caused people to leave the game, haven't necessarily been town. Is aggressiveness usually a town tell for Varsoon?

brass is a town lean, but I dunno if there's a good reason for that. I've played with him before, and this seems like how he'd play as town?

doom I just kinda give a town lean to anyway, he's solid, kinda annoyed at the game state, exactly what I've seen doom!town do.

HS is a town lean, for some good posts and not anything directly weird.

Voyc/skitter/Lycan are all meh for me. They just haven't done enough townie things, and some have done a few questionable things.

Myloninja sounds like I do as scum trying to fabricate reads--fumbly and unsure. I call bologna.

I like Nero Cain so far.

[doomfeathers]

VOTE: MyloNinja

[doomfeathers]

@Skitter TBH TBH TBH to you as well.

lol, I realized that after I hit submit. It's almost become the new 'like' for me

Ew. I'd stick with TBH.

@Doom: I don't see scum-Voyc put at L-2 with almost no resistance and Voyc just kind of shrugging it off as likely as it is that scum threw momentum behind it and then backed off. Doesn't ensure Voyc as town or anything, but I also don't really see much scum agenda behind Voyc's votes (or lack thereof) either. Voyc just doesn't seem to be exerting a lot of influence over the game, imo, and I tend to townread that more than scumread it.

-V

What does Voyc's reaction have to do with it? Did she know she had a wagon?

[doomfeathers]

Oh wow I did not like that Mylo post
Skitter/doom pretty much nailed why

@mylo, who would you lynch now and why?

I never had him above null that I can remember.

Sorry about that then, I misunderstood your post 144 to say that you were townleaning the slot
I definitely got that it was a very very weak read but there was something pushing him over, even just slightly, to the townside
And since I'm not seeing anything like that, I wanted to ask

True, I suppose there was. I think it was just that, out of everyone, he seemed to be one of the few actually trying to do something.

Not to say I have any reason to suspect Voyc, but the argument about the wagon on her is utterly ridiculous. What resistance are we talking about when it only takes 3 voted to get someone to L-2? it's not like we haven't seen players piling up on someone for no apparent reason before and even forcing a claim out of them! It's a 9 players game FGS.

Decent point.

[doomfeathers]

Misrep? Good grief, I am sick of hearing that word. Anybody up for lynching Vartsun and getting it over with?

[doomfeathers]

You're forgetting that some scum purposely ignore wagons on them, though. I know I have. Or they and their partners could have been offline until it passed; there's been a lot of inactivity this game.

Thought-provoking and +townpoints, though.

[doomfeathers]

Wait, never mind. I get what you're saying, and agree. Townpoints remain in effect.

[doomfeathers]

Misrep? Good grief, I am sick of hearing that word. Anybody up for lynching Vartsun and getting it over with?

Lynching the most active and engaged

town

player would be a win for scum; I'm sure there's at least two people who'd really like that.

Agreed.

Vartsun, what's your read on Myloninja? Would you be willing to join his wagon after his most recent post?

[doomfeathers]

This doesn't feel natural to me, and unless I get an explanation, then I feel like out of the multiple wagons so far; there's likely scum there, or at least,

Voyc

is town.

There was almost no defense here for the wagon.

It was a pressure wagon, at least from what I saw. Problem?

1)

I think we have 2 scum in this game; if town is pushed to a specific point, they can easily be hammered and lynched.

We can only hope so. That would make this game much easier if it happened anytime before LYLO.

2)

10 pages, and about half the playerlist has been wagoned; this gives information about interactions... but considering this is D1, there's a lot of uncertainty on people's alignments and their motives in this game.

So I feel like the vote-hopping has made the case for waffling and WIFOM much easier for scum.

WIFOM's not hard to see past. When TMI becomes a factor, just look elsewhere. This is Mafia; a big-picture perspective is unnecessary. More information allows people to have more choices for places to investigate; it's going to be very hard to convince me that it's a bad thing.

I'm also frustrated that

Varsoon and I

have been reduced to little in terms of game impact.

Not your (Taly's) fault.

Taly Head Thoughts: Mylo's

null to me; activity is not often AI, and his most notable thing is that his

brass

vote is still on.

No, I meant his most recent post. Do you think his reads are genuine?

Misrep? Good grief, I am sick of hearing that word. Anybody up for lynching Vartsun and getting it over with?

This, right here, is why I'm questioning my earlier townread on

doomfeathers

.

I can't tell if this post was to breed apathy or take a lazy route in game solving.

That's my salt at everybody leaving the game instead of policy-lynching your slot (no offense to you personally).

You're pushing

Mylo

, after being on multiple wagons, ((75, 82, 148, 205)) but you're not placing many assessments each time you change your vote.

Just like you did with the

Voyc

vote, you say that you think there's a better lynch/wagon option, but your reasons for voting are to help town, because it's making a discussion point via wagon.

No, I didn't say that. I think Mylo is scum, and I said why in 204.

Either you're intentionally creating confusion,

or

your own thoughts are unclear,

or

you're not helping other players see your perspective.

Did you check my ISO? I stated my reasons for each vote:

Spoiler: Voyc

Is anyone interested in wagoning Voyc? Several people have mentioned that she's scummy. (I still prefer Lycanfire, but I can't do much by myself.)

My first reaction was "Who?" then I reread the thread and she has one post so my reaction is therefore "Why?"

Two posts, actually, and that's the reason. This is the third day IRL; she should have been able to post more than that. However, she does appear to be trying to do something when she does post, unlike Lycanfire, who is apparently just messing around. Also, she's pretty new, and Lycanfire's not so much.

Spoiler: Lycanfire

Seriously, look at this. Lycanfire's been around; he was early this morning. Here's all he's posted:

VOTE: Vartsun

You're a kid now, you're a squid now

Join the

Mylo

vote and you won't think everyone is so weird?

Why?

Taly is a fan of mislynching and losing. You might think they're joking. They're serious about this.

Who is this? XD I'm pretty serious about getting worthwhile discussion going.

I feel like after correctly identifying Varsoon as a killing role day 1 of Darkest Dungeon
and basically having to run the scumteam up until he vigged me on night 3, you shouldn't have to ask who I am if Varsoon thought sorting me early was at all a consideration today.

What kinds if discussion do you want to have?

He's not helping anything; in fact, he seems confused by the suggestion that we need discussion. My gut says he's scum.

Spoiler: Vartsun

I've got to go to bed. I'm leaving my vote on
VOTE: Vartsun

Spoiler: Myloninja

Ausuka is a solid town read for me, just consistent strong play.

Vartsun is the player with the most posts, which means he gets some points as I've generally found the highest posting players town. But his actions, specifically the actions that caused people to leave the game, haven't necessarily been town. Is aggressiveness usually a town tell for Varsoon?

brass is a town lean, but I dunno if there's a good reason for that. I've played with him before, and this seems like how he'd play as town?

doom I just kinda give a town lean to anyway, he's solid, kinda annoyed at the game state, exactly what I've seen doom!town do.

HS is a town lean, for some good posts and not anything directly weird.

Voyc/skitter/Lycan are all meh for me. They just haven't done enough townie things, and some have done a few questionable things.

Myloninja sounds like I do as scum trying to fabricate reads--fumbly and unsure. I call bologna.

UNVOTE:

Not keeping a vote on a replacing-out slot.

~ Taly

Where's your vote?

[doomfeathers]

@Doom, about your vote on Vartsun on 148, could you point out which posts/logic you saw as shady on your review? You had been giving them some townpoints previously, so I'm curious as to what changed your mind then

I forget, but if I decide to make a case on Vartsun, I'll find them again and let you know.

This doesn't feel natural to me, and unless I get an explanation, then I feel like out of the multiple wagons so far; there's likely scum there, or at least,

Voyc

is town.

There was almost no defense here for the wagon.

It was a pressure wagon, at least from what I saw. Problem?

That's not what I gathered from 70 and 75 in terms of a whole wagon.

If you guys were pressure-wagoning her, why were you and

Brass

placing her in your lynchpool?

In case she didn't respond satisfactorily, same as Lycanfire. She got in the lynchpool by not posting. She got back out by posting.

I'm not saying more information is bad. But it doesn't make sense to have your attention jump constantly.

No, it doesn't. So you pick a few things that stand out to you and focus on them. You don't have to analyze the entire game.

Also, I'd love to see your magical solution of seeing through WIFOM. If there's any WIFOM you've already detected, maybe you should tell me.

I didn't say "see through"; I said "see past". Don't try to analyze WIFOM. Just look elsewhere. That's pretty much what I did with Ausuka vs. you.

1)

You seem completely satisfied that someone, who I don't understand how you're reading anymore, has no believed impact on the game. You're both apathetic to us being lynched, and not receptive to our statements.

Wot, you have a wagon? I think there's a VC coming up soon; I'll see then.
As far as I'm concerned, whether people listen to you is your problem. It is your job to gain people's respect and convince them your opinions are worth hearing. If your partner spoils that for you, you have my sympathies, but I'm not sure why you expect me to yell at everybody to pay attention to you when I don't even strongly townread you. Am I understanding you correctly?

2)

And yes, I'm saying us as in

Varsoon/I

BECAUSE WE'RE A HYDRA

. We function more closely as one person than two. While you're discrediting

Varsoon

with this statement, you're ignoring any weight I've staked in this game. This is blatantly anti-town.

3)

What makes this worse is, this is literally what I've gathered in half of the playerlist's view toward us is. Which does not serve anything but to create dichotomies and unfairly undermine thoughts.

For the record, I read and analyze everything you (Vartsun) write. I may ignore arguments, but I don't ignore players.

Misrep? Good grief, I am sick of hearing that word. Anybody up for lynching Vartsun and getting it over with?

This, right here, is why I'm questioning my earlier townread on

doomfeathers

.

I can't tell if this post was to breed apathy or take a lazy route in game solving.

That's my salt at everybody leaving the game instead of policy-lynching your slot (no offense to you personally).

I don't get the purpose of a policy lynch in general, and I don't know how autolynching us without taking an in depth look at our motives and reasons in this game are sensible.

Want to know what happens when/if Varsoon/I gets PL'ed? We're going to flip town. Another townie's dying N1, and literally nobody's going to find much resolution in their reads at 7p left, presumably a 5-2 setting.

Not good for the town.

It would have saved ruining the game for about four different players, I think. And you have yet to convince me you'd flip town.

I'm not sure why you think

Mylo's

reads are fabricated?

Because I've done it myself as scum, and this looks just like it.

Quote for analysis of Mylo's reads post:

Ausuka is a solid town read for me, just consistent strong play.

Vartsun is the player with the most posts, which means he gets some points as I've generally found the highest posting players town. But his actions, specifically the actions that caused people to leave the game, haven't necessarily been town. Is aggressiveness usually a town tell for Varsoon?

This read says absolutely nothing. Activity is a very weak reason; it's as though he's chosen who he wants to townread and then needed a reason to townread him.

brass is a town lean, but I dunno if there's a good reason for that. I've played with him before, and this seems like how he'd play as town?

No reasoning whatsoever.

doom I just kinda give a town lean to anyway, he's solid, kinda annoyed at the game state, exactly what I've seen doom!town do.

Meta read. Yeah, whatever.

HS is a town lean, for some good posts and not anything directly weird.

Weak.

Voyc/skitter/Lycan are all meh for me. They just haven't done enough townie things, and some have done a few questionable things.

No information whatsoever.

Sorry for yet again being a lurker. At this point, my town meta is going to be lurking

An apology, and then a statement that he's probably going to lurk some more?

4)

Mylo

... I thought you'd be able to post more, and an explanation of your vote remaining on

brass

but he's a townlean?

That too.

Myloninja throws a few townreads, but refuses to actually say anything, is not pushing or even scumreading anyone, and actually still has his vote on a slot that has replaced out (and, as you pointed out, he is townreading). It's lazy, cheap, and scummy.

1)

54, so you voted

Voyc

based on activity?

As stated.

2)

55, I mean,

Lycanfire

did ask me a valid question that I don't think I answered.

What kinds if discussion do you want to have?

I thought it was rhetorical myself.

3)

148, this wasn't a reason for a vote on

me/Varsoon

. You just placed a vote because you couldn't post more that night.

As stated. My reason for the vote was that I needed someone to vote for, and out of my pool, my gut and a quick glance said you were the scummiest.

Varsoon's

busy right now, but I'm kind of holding out on voting until I speak and get in sync with him.

That makes sense. You don't seem the type to sit on it otherwise.

[doomfeathers]

Actually, the counter says the deadline is past. I think we just lynched Myloninja. So long, sir, and happy trails in the afterlife.

[doomfeathers]

Good, I like discussion.

[doomfeathers]

Okay, I'm prepared. Welcome, Ruby Red!

[doomfeathers]

It also bugs me a good deal that this game does not crib any mechanics from Cheetory's Paint Mafia games, as I thought it'd be an excellent theme to do so in.
I guess we can't all be winners, Gamma.

-V

What did you mean by this, Vartsun? How do you know the game doesn't crib any mechanics from Paint Mafia?

@Mod This game isn't an open setup, is it?

This game is closed.

[doomfeathers]

If Myloninja flips scum, let's wagon Vartsun.

Vartsun is the player with the most posts, which means he gets some points as I've generally found the highest posting players town. But his actions, specifically the actions that caused people to leave the game, haven't necessarily been town. Is aggressiveness usually a town tell for Varsoon?

He looks as though he's trying to find a reason to townread Vartsun. He seems unable to make any gut read or impression of him. That's exactly how I feel about my partners as scum.

VOTE: Myloninja13

I hate when people have names that refer to Mafia itself.
I will never allow you to get anywhere close to MYLO.

...and why Myloninja13? Had twelve other people been named Myloninja so far? Are you trying to trigger someone's triskaidekaphobia? I think adding numbers to any username is internet-kitschy.

Engages Myloninja with a vote, but no actual question or anything to help the game along, unlike his interactions with everyone else. Rather, he finds joke reasons to dislike him without finding him scummy.

Join the

Mylo

vote and you won't think everyone is so weird?

Not really evidence either way, but probably relevant somewhere.

[stuff]

Where's your vote?

I'm liking everyone a bit so far, although particularly doomfeathers and vartsun for actually sticking out and asking questions.

VOTE: Brassherald because he's only made one post so far. If I could double vote, this would also go to Voyc.

Do you have any questions to ask?

These last two, he was not pushing Myloninja, not demanding anything of him, but just kind of tossing questions to engage a little. It could be because of Mylo's lack of anything to analyze, but the tone seems weird.

[@Human Sequencer]

I'm assuming you don't see a similarity in

doomfeathers'

approach to this game, to

mine/Varsoon's

approach, as what

Mylo

may see. Is your vote on

Varsoon/I

serious?

Relying on similarities between my behavior and his for a townread? Why would that be necessary, especially when he shouldn't know for sure that I'm town anyway?

I think I'm town leaning Ausuka basically just off her calm nature in a line of suspicion. Few players do that, and much less scum players do that.

It's actually far more likely to come from scum than town.
Consider that we're two pages in and I've levied heavy criticisms on the slot.
As scum, not being able to defend there could lead to a very critical day 1 lynch that'd likely turn the game so hard in town's favor that scum would lose.

Still nice and gentle. I think he slams some other players later on for not scumreading Ausuka.

[@brassherald]

Also, is

Mylo's

vote on you the only thing that's warranting a vote on him?

[@Ausuka]

The fact that you're revoting this slot 89, while ignoring your light scumread on

Mylo

((which I'd like to hear about, by the way))

but states how wagoning is very effective for town, does not add up to me.

Point against my case, granted, though Mylo had no heat whatsoever at this point while Vartsun did.

I think myloninja is scum. It feels like he's been picking on easy targets in 31, saying that the active players are townies and those who haven't posted as much (and are less able to defend themselves) are scum. This is made even worse by the fact that, despite his criticism of brassherald and Voyc for not posting much, he has been lurking more than anyone else so far.

I don't think Myloninja is scum for trying to bring attention to slots that have posted less. If anything, we should be trying to get those lurker slots more into the game. I'm not entirely certain that Myloninja actually is saying they have a scumread on those players, but instead seems to just be trying to put pressure in those places.

Does not address Mylo's hypocrisy at all, but instead paints him as pushing for activity. This was bad.

I mean, I get where you're coming from on that... but myloninja IS a lurker slot. He's contributed nothing, other than saying "We should vote for these other lurkers!" It feels really fake that he would push them for that despite him doing the exact same thing, especially considering that the game was so early on that these players couldn't really be lurking, in the traditional sense.

I don't see where Myloninja is calling for OTHER people vote lurker slots, just that he votes brass for having 1 post so far.
I actually don't think there's much in Mylo's ISO that lets me read them either way. I'd still lean it more town than scum because their observations seem less like positioning and more like explaining developing reads, but it's reaaaal scarce in that ISO.

I've been playing (mostly) on this site for the last five years, fairly consistently. I am more used to the modding side of games, where the medium-to-large setups that I mod go to 100 pages, but I've played and run games where day phase has been very short. I was curious of your experience, because I'm not sure if you're coming from an informed place with lots of experience or just postulating based on what you believe to be the case, especially when it comes to things that town or scum 'would' do.

-V

So there's a point in a pressure vote without pushing or a wagon? Your best defense of him still portrays him as virtually useless to the town, yet you still manage to townread him somehow. And the appeal to authority by experience is very faulty.

VOTE: mylo

This is the third vote, it takes 5 to lynch so that means L-2

Remind me why

Mylo's

the best lynch to you?

Mylo

has been on/off absent for about 2-3 days, so I don't see what people expect from voting them, or an elaborate reason to scumread them.

I can see your point on 46; but with

Mylo's

general low activity, it does not seem AI to me, and it doesn't seem like a too-weird read given it was only on Page 2.

Actually, more on the 'minimizing reasoning on non-Ausuka votes' fiction; I literally had a conversation with Ausuka (around post 126) about whether or not Mylo's vote on you (brass) was legitimate, with me arguing for its legitimacy.

Interesting because it shows how he viewed that conversation.

rn I'm thinking nero is town. I still like the myloninja wagon very much.

Can you elaborate a little on each?
I'm curious how you came to these conclusions.

Vartsun, what's your read on Myloninja? Would you be willing to join his wagon after his most recent post?

Of him townreading people and not voting? I don't know, he hasn't really provided much at all, but my gut tells me to wait here; I'm not willing to push him to L-1, at least not before him posting more.

Taly Head Thoughts: Mylo's

null to me; activity is not often AI, and his most notable thing is that his

brass

vote is still on.

Questions to Mylo

1)

Why is your vote still on

brassherald

? He was noted to be replaced out 187, but your latest post was 200 Especially if you're townleaning on him.

2)

How do you feel about

Nero

and

Dredd

?

Vartsun consistently soft-defends Myloninja, never pushes him or brings him up, and criticizes those who find him scummy throughout the game.

I haven't yet analyzed Vartsun on his own merits, and won't tonight. This information is in case one of them flips.

[doomfeathers]

I lean Ruby town.

You do know you're townreading the person you replaced, though, right?

[doomfeathers]

so basically dredd's entire iso is just talking about how the wagon thing doesn't make ausuka town

Why is that scummy?

I can't tell if this post was to breed apathy or take a lazy route in game solving.

I can kinda see scum finding an easy mislynch in town!vartsun by pushing it as policy tbh.

For the record, I was not saying we should policy-lynch now, after Varsoon has apologized and everybody who is going to replace out already has. That'd be pointless. But we should have at least considered the option of doing so before so many people left the game. Unfortunately, I didn't think of it in time. (Again, no offense intended to Vartsun. I'm not mad or anything.)

As it is, I do think the whole fight was worth a few scumpoints. In my experience, scum are more likely to act hostile or superior and pick fights.

@Vartsun I'm not sure exactly what you're going to say about 257 in particular, but if you have revelations, feel free.

I'd want to PL Ruby b/c calling ppl wolfy is annoying as fuck to me.

I'm opposed to PLs and especially so in a 9 players game. We only have 2 mislynches and I'm not going to waste one of them on someone I'm not SRing.

Okay, that was clearly a joke.

FFS, we're less than 48 hours from a deadline, and you're continuing to push someone with low content, furthermore; I'm assuming you

STILL

scumread this slot? For reasons you haven't stated much at all? Please tell me I'm wrong.

You are. I dedicated about half a wallpost to my reasons for scumreading this slot. Yes, I hunt lurkers. And I've seen them flip red. It is possible, in fact, to read someone who doesn't post very much.

The fact that you keep doing this thing where you vote someone, but continue to say things like

"this isn't my favorite lynch"

or

"I'll make a case here... maybe, when I want to"

is completely disingenuous.

I'm not here. Mylo is my top scumread. There are plenty of people investigating you right now. Town should be able to tell your alignment. But scum want to hide. So I look where others aren't.

If you have such an issue with our gameplay, don't fencesit while advocating for another lynch.

If you're talking about my post associating you and Myloninja, that was because I thought Mylo was scum and you looked to be the best candidate for his partner. I had the post half done by the time the mod said he wasn't lynched after all, so I went ahead and finished it.

Will post more either in a little bit or later on.

[doomfeathers]

Spoiler: Reply to Vartsun

I'm guessing you were baiting them with your vote? Not because of a scumread? In my eyes, putting someone in a lynchpool and just voting someone to gauge their motives and make a wagon are not the same thing.

Well, yes, they are. If I pressure someone and they refuse to respond, they should be lynched. Otherwise, why bother?

I'm not saying more information is bad. But it doesn't make sense to have your attention jump constantly.

No, it doesn't. So you pick a few things that stand out to you and focus on them. You don't have to analyze the entire game.

I'm sorry, but who has the luxury to cherry pick who they want to focus on and analyze reasons to wagon?

Not town.

Everyone does. You pick which posts you want to respond to. Right now, you're choosing to focus on me rather than, for example, Voyc. Playing any game requires choosing priorities; Mafia is no different.

Also, I'd love to see your magical solution of seeing through WIFOM. If there's any WIFOM you've already detected, maybe you should tell me.

I didn't say "see through"; I said "see past". Don't try to analyze WIFOM. Just look elsewhere. That's pretty much what I did with Ausuka vs. you.

So you think the whole point of Ausuka-Vartsun 1v1 was to cause WIFOM and not gamesolve?

I didn't say that. I said it was basically WIFOM to me. Now, there might be things in it that are alignment-indicative; I haven't found them because I've been focusing elsewhere, and also because that whole thing is a headache to read. But if you would like me to, I'll move it up my priority list.

And you didn't come to any conclusions? Because you're not saying that you're analyzing interactions here. You're telling me that you're deliberately focusing on something else.

Yes, analyzing interactions elsewhere.

Thanks for minimizing

Varsoon's

opinions while dismissing me entirely.

That's not what I said. I meant that Varsoon had made it hard for people to listen to him, not that he had no valid opinions. Diplomacy and interaction require more than information; they also require presentation. And that's the job of the person who has the information.

I'm still not sure what you want from me with that. Do you want me to scold people for not paying enough attention to you? You're doing a pretty good job yourself, really.

If you didn't ignore players, then why are you still complacent with a PL on

Vartsun

?

I'm against a policy lynch at this point. It might have been a good option earlier because it would have kept the game from being ruined for three different players.

Also, if you analyzed everything

TWO SEPARATE PEOPLE WROTE

; then why aren't you looking at us both as individuals

AND

a duo?

You're a hydra. You're two people, but one player. Townpoints or scumpoints from one apply to both.

Another thing here is, why would you ignore arguments or players in the first place? You're admitting to doing something like this - which should notably be antitown - but I don't think you're towny for pointing it own in yourself.

Because I'm ignoring certain things in order to focus on others. That's not antitown; that's prioritization, and we all do it. Most people just don't do it as deliberately as do I.

Look at the playerlist.

Does it look like anyone's leaving now?

Ugh. I don't see any consistency in your thoughts here.

Oh, I see what's going on. Sorry, there's been a misunderstanding. I've addressed that just recently.

Is he [Myloninja] more likely scum than the other players I guess you're suspecting?

Yes. For once, I have a strong scumread. Myloninja is red.

3)

148, this wasn't a reason for a vote on

me/Varsoon

. You just placed a vote because you couldn't post more that night.

As stated. My reason for the vote was that I needed someone to vote for, and out of my pool, my gut and a quick glance said you were the scummiest.

Why do you have to vote someone? It's valid to talk prior to voting sometimes, you know.

And this is first time I heard directly that this hydra was in your lynchpool. Who else is in there?

Huh. I hadn't really considered not having a vote placed somewhere. I'll think about its strategic implications.

That was the problem. I didn't have a lynchpool at the time. I just picked you based on gut, without real reason, and I believe I said so.

Varsoon's

busy right now, but I'm kind of holding out on voting until I speak and get in sync with him.

That makes sense. You don't seem the type to sit on it otherwise.

My solo game and my hydra game are not the same, regardless of alignment.

Of course, I have another head, and I understand that head before I act.

It's kind of the same as my solo game; I think to understand my own thinking, and then I act. I'm just quicker.

Relax, it was a compliment. You play aggressively, and you don't let off pressure. It's a good thing.

Good, I like discussion.

I exist.

If it's not clear, that post was a reply to the deadline extension. Myloninja needs lynched, but we haven't talked today as much as we should have.

264 is a huge-ass associative based off no factual information.

As I said, relevant only after a scumflip. But I didn't want all that work to go to waste. Also, it was fun.

[doomfeathers]

In case she didn't respond satisfactorily, same as Lycanfire. She got in the lynchpool by not posting. She got back out by posting.

Is it literally just that she posted? Did you like the *content* of what she posted?

Actually, you're right. Posting's not all it takes. Myloninja posted, and he moved from "lurker" to "scum" on my list. But Voyc's post was reasonable, and looked as though it definitely could have come from a townie perspective. Thank you for pointing that out.

Aside, I dislike that voyc's vote hasn't changed since *literally* post 10.

What, really? I'll have to check that.

Edit: Later, Voyc explains. Never mind. Good catch, though.

Later, skitter moves from "townlean" up to "townread" for me with her reads.

Generally speaking my reads are bad anyway (you can go read any of my previous game. I only have 3-4 finished games anyway). When I try to be a hero it most likely backfires. I want to learn to develop my reads more reliably, so I'm going to wait and see how things go before I have a solid opinion on anyone.

I've been there. Have you maybe noticed anything odd or out-of-place you could point out?

My opinion on the slot hasn't changed, Judge is pretty scummy imo
Like, posts like 284 which is an answer to a question that's supposed to sprout analysis, doesn't actually

go

anywhere, if that makes sense

What do you think of the rest of that post? I thought it was decently townie myself.

I think I'm just sympathetic towards Mylo. Like I get the reasons why ppl are calling him scum but he's also brand new and like I could see his play from both new town and new scum and thus its null to me. I guess a new player/alt could fool me by playing up the newbie card and maybe that's whats going on but meh...

I didn't notice he was new, though he does have a good half dozen games under his belt.

Sorry guys for being useless this day phase, I just always struggle in the early stages of the game. When suspicion was on me, particularly early, I generally just freeze up and end up typing posts before immediately backspacing through them.

I... could root against my lynch here but I just get everyone's reasonings. My vote is still on a virtually RVS reason, I've made no solid town posts and my read post was terrible. I feel like not lynching me would just create problems in the future. Thankfully I'm only a vanilla townie, so we should still have most of our PR's in day 2.

My only proper reads before I die are Vartsun and Nero Cain town, and I'm suspicious of JJD and Voyc. Mostly just for the style of all of their posts, I can't see Vartsuns or Nero Cain from scum and JJD and Voyc have always seemed a bit further away from the game.

I apologise again, I'll eventually evolve into a player who is good at day 1.

UNVOTE:

What.
UNVOTE:
I hate that post, but it also looks townie. Also, those are some pretty decent reads posted right when preparing for death. Let's see what he does D2.

[doomfeathers]

intent to hammer jjd

Go ahead. Find out how stupid this whole wagon on me is. I won't even claim here. I want to punish you all for being lazy and going the easiest route, not to mention yielding to scum's will.

I guess I was wrong about JJD, too. I feel better about this lynch.

[doomfeathers]

The difference is marginal and irrelevant. It doesn't change the point that the main thing you've been doing is trying to resist the TRs on voyc.

No. The difference is HUGE. If I'm being TR'd because I supposedly claimed a PR I will argue that I didn't. It doesn't mean that I'm no Town, nor even that I'm not a PR. It means that I didn't

claim

a PR.

Your reasoning is bad. It could very well have come from scum buddying Voyc. That is the argument I'm presenting.

Wait, what? What PR claim? Is he trying to bait us into thinking he has one?

Imagine I said something as ridiculous as "Vartsun is Town because their name starts with a V". Are you arguing against them being Town when you point out that is utter shit? Are you arguing against their alignment when you point out Voyc also starts with a V?

Actually a pretty valid point.

Also, who am I scum with? Who has ever tried to defend me in any way? I don't even see a single player showing skepticism here. Do you think Scum will bus on D1?

Bussing and not defending are different, but still kind of valid.

Huh. Maybe we should save him for D2 as well.

Never mind. I still townlean JJD. Let's not lynch him, at least not tonight, unless we have no other choice.

[doomfeathers]

A lynch is reached when day ends and a majority of all players, half players alive plus one, are voting for the same person.

If plurality, is on at deadlines end if no majority is reached the person with the most votes is lynched. If there is a tie the person who reached the current highest number of votes first is lynched.

@Mod: What? What does this quote mean then? And why did everybody assume Mylo was lynched before you extended the deadline?

I assumed it was plurality. I need to read the rules better next time. Sorry.

No intent was stated and nobody asked me to claim, but that's beside the point. The point is if I claim I will be shot at night anyway, so what good is it for me to claim? Suffice it to say I'm fucking Macho-something. I cannot be protected at night, so it gives me the satisfaction to punish the stupid townies who followed your case on me to know they killed me and not the scum NK.

First, there was intent, so that's wrong. Second, being killed by Mafia instead of town benefits town by making it possible that we lynch scum. Though I must say your modifier fits you well.

Okay, wow. But JJD is right. It's not necessarily a counter-claim. In my opinion, those two roles would equal about a regular Watcher. I think Ausuka and JJD are both town.

[doomfeathers]

What town looks at their reads and says:

"Wagons are good."
"Let's lynch this person due to a policy lynch, even though I'm not going to elaborate on my scumreads or let me assessments over my wagons be known."
"These other people are scum."
"But I'm going to wagon this person."
"And this person responding to me is scum, but I'm not going to explain why other than make an associative on them, with the person I'm wagoning."

Please read more carefully next time. I specifically stated that I had not necessarily decided that you were scum, that the associatives were useful only after a scum flip by either you or Myloninja, and that I'd have to examine your own posts to determine whether you were scum. If I thought you were scum, I'd be voting you right now.

I'm more interested in Voyc post-flip.

Not optimal, but better than claimed PR, I guess, and no better than null anyway.

Nuts, did I miss the deadline?

@anyone/everyone, what would your reactions be in this situation? Do you think Judge's makes sense??

Most importantly, I don't think scum!Ausuka would claim without reason like that. She's pretty much confirmed townie for me unless someone can point out a scum motivation.

Also if he's scum and ausuka is town, it's kinda weird that he managed to fake-claim a very similar role that town actually has.

Point.

In the third game I was the

Town Doctor

and I was pushed on D2 so

fake claimed

, got another townie lynched and got lynched myself on D3.

Just emphasizing on a fact that you can all readily verify. I was the Doctor but I fake claimed Cop with a guilty on someone. Town me does fake claim.

Scum me doesn't fake claim a PR. You can also deduce that from me calling for the lynch of the first VT claim in that same game, because I know if I'm scum that's what I'd be claiming on D1.

The reason fake claimed here? I don't want to talk about it. You'll probably find out on your own in a few minutes anyway, and if you can't work it out that's your problem. I had reason to fake claim in that claim and I do have reason to fake claim here and that's gone bad on both occasions.

So long

Yeah, I'm fine with this lynch, then. Let's do it.

[doomfeathers]

Aaand it's twilight. I was at a meeting while things were going down. Sorry about that.

Here, have seven posts in a row. Maybe they'll be helpful D2.

Mylo, I'm glad you survived D1. I don't think you're scum anymore, and I think you have potential to be a valuable asset to town if you choose. Let's do this.