Labyrinth Mafia (Endgame)

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this kinda feels like wisdom last ditch pocketing shoshin and distancing from rando

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I think you're cheeky manipulative scum

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be honest tw
does my play here look anything like coalition?

yeah enough that combined with the fact I've been made aware you're very good at scum and capable of manipulating your meta whimsically...im concerned.

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@rc I have two votes on me not one

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bahahahaha

ok so it's just rando right

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VOTE: rando

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I don't have many smug moments but like

do you think this is the #1 best gladiate in the history of mafia?

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on all accounts, like

ND39 - outside of range + would require Nico redirection n1 and to perfectly bluff her own redirection
Shoshin - 80% out of range + previous day phase would be a piece of scum theatre fucking artwork
tw - ^^^^ ditto ^^^^
rando -

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after all this if shoshin is scum i'll cry

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ok fair but that would have been crazy until I was townreading Shoshin

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nokill spews Shoshin town btw

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actually honestly rando's actions yesterday are even scummier knowing that he didn't know 100% that Wisdom was his traitor

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yup, sheeping wisdom on it

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y0 wassup high fives all round

well played...... literally everyone. that was an absolute war. can't wait to read the PTs. I'm OK for the underground + masquerade + Sarah hoods to be released

@Shoshin, about the stuff I promised post-game, hmu on Discord if you check it out.

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I figure it must have been the strongman kill that got you. Realistically we were always gonna powerlynch Creature d2 so it makes sense that they fired it off while they still had him.

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it surprised me too tbqh but when I reread your ISO it did make a bit of sense (you were one of the townier players, and there was a lot of value in keeping the WIFOM of the underground hood alive for d2). I was so so sad when I saw the flip though. what a badass power.

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alright. I won't go into it in that case. I'm sorry for the offense which I caused you here.

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Sajj.....
still friends?
your lynch was teh sux and I feel stupid for playing a part in it

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I hit the worst.

ouch!

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I think when someone everyone's scumreading flips town it's a signal to hard reset the fuck out of your reads. I'm not sure I totally agree with anyone here but I think there's two totally viable ways to play Shoshin's situation out.

I didn't find her super obvtown early on. there's a really fine line between being obvtown and being tunnelled, and it wasn't a distinction I could make with serious confidence. Actually it was during the 5p when I realised that it was playing out like 2v3 not 1v4 that I realised she was almost certainly town. maybe I'm not good at reading people > gamestates or whatever, take this how you will.

Huge commendations to Shoshin for her read accuracy, though. there's a lot of aspects of being good at town, but read accuracy is a glorious one and your instincts here were dynamite. yeah, I was a little unfair with the way I positioned the rest of the town in the 5p Lylo and probably should have encouraged we all had a rest and a cuppa tea rather than pushing the "she sucks but she's town" narrative. sorry if you took offense at it, I definitely was sad to see Nancy genuinely offended.






also @Wisdom I don't think I'll ever be the same after that second last day. a little bit of my soul melted during our 1v1.

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Hey rc thanks for the dead thread!

Also I don’t think I played bad this game

in about 9p or 7p you were damn awesome

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yeah, Shoshin deserves credit for this win, her reads were good and she put a lot more effort than we probably deserved.

for what it's worth I don't think not claiming shots was bad decision nor was it incriminating. i didn't really execute it well and got distracted by other things, though.

nah it's fine, I do the same thing as a 1shot X a lot of the time. the only thing I can fault here is when you came under suspicion I was looking for some kind of indication that you intentionally claimed fullvig rather than 1 shot vig.

still think by the end lynching you was p bad but that's just a little snapshot of my mind during that

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VOTE: Anka

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Huge commendations to Shoshin for her read accuracy, though. there's a lot of aspects of being good at town, but read accuracy is a glorious one and your instincts here were dynamite. yeah, I was a little unfair with the way I positioned the rest of the town in the 5p Lylo and probably should have encouraged we all had a rest and a cuppa tea rather than pushing the "she sucks but she's town" narrative. sorry if you took offense at it, I definitely was sad to see Nancy genuinely offended.

I accept your apology and kind words.

<3

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what threw me about the claim was like, at first you hardsofted vig which was fine and given 1shot thing was a clever way to eat a nk off another tpr

then suddenly you claimed novice and we talked around the probability of your role and you still didn't claim 1 shot

then suddenly you claimed 1 shot

admittedly if I'd taken more time to evaluate I probably should've realised that you were tryna eat a night kill by remaining sketchy on the details, but from where I sat it looked like a scum 1 shot vig somethingorother fakeclaiming

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1) The game is non-bastard and role madness.

Vanilla claim in role madness is a little on the nose
I wonder if you can actually have vanillas in role madness? lol

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<_<;;
>_>;;

the optimal play guidelines on the wiki are pretty helpful. not necessarily to blindly sheep but at least to think about.

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they're not on every page. but for example miller:

Play Advice
If you are a Miller, there are two schools of thought about optimal play:

The first school of thought is that you should claim immediately, ideally in your opening post. This ensures that the Cop will not waste an investigation on you. It becomes more likely that you will be lynched or shot by a Vigilante, however; otherwise, it would be too easy for Mafia to fakeclaim Miller as well. This is by far the most common way to play the role on mafiascum.net.

The second school of thought is that you should not claim, but should play in such a way as to not get investigated; ideally, you would get yourself killed at Night. If investigated, however, you should expect to get lynched.

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yeah, definitely. the nature of the setup too.

if you show up as guilty to all investigatives and are in a setup with lots of power roles, claiming sod1 would be a must tbh

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that's fair, Sajj. like I said with more time I think I would have realised I was being stupid within like 24 hours but just wanted you to know what pinged me about the claim.

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technically.


was it a good read? it sounds like you were actually pretty well tuned into the gamestate considering the limited time you had (Ank mentioning your theory that 9p could be LyLo is what originally tuned me into the idea of there being 4 scum)

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Well in this case 7p with one scum down. you know what I mean

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that's fair mastina. in that case it was a bloody good guess