A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

[Varsoon]

Like I guess I am still the biggest wagon right now but it's like whatever
If I beef it, at least I'm freed from this game.
And if I don't, cool, maybe I get to whoop scum once this game is down to manageable numbers to actually play.

[Jingle]

Spoiler: Gender Identity Off Topic

Consider that [redacted] flipped out when I called them by wrong pronoun ONCE, not multiple times, your 'analysis' is wrong.

To be honest, I DON'T get the whole gender identity thing. I accidentally misgender people all the time because to me the whole thing is kind of a nonissue. I think that the modern tendency to want to put ourselves in little boxes, both in a sense of gender identity and in a sense of race, religion, etc. is backwards and divisive. People are people. No more, no less. I have yet to meet the person who can be summed up by their gender, or their race, or their religion.

With that said, I'm aware that it matters to some people. And if I misgender those people and they get offended, I will apologize for offending them. Because while it isn't important to me, it is important to them. I can't promise them I'm going to get their gender right all of the time, because the sad fact is I might make the mistake again. But I can apologize and move on.

And in my mind, refusing to accept that apology when genuinely given or refusing to give the apology in the first place are just being an asshole. Saying that you're sorry and moving on isn't hard. And if it is hard, maybe the solution is just to stop engaging with the person making you mad enough that you can't treat them with dignity.

I'm no saint. In fact, most people who know me would argue I'm a bit of an ass. There are people I despise, who I know I can't have a civil conversation with. There are people I admire that I can't have a civil conversation with. But I believe that everyone, without exception, deserves to be treated with dignity, even though I can't follow through on that myself sometimes, and that the only thing you can do is try.

And now I'm done waxing philosophical on the internet in a game about murdering people.

[Lady Angel]

I'm not amazingly active, but I am here to play this game until the end. I signed up for it, after all.

[Jingle]

Gladiate VoteCount 5:

Ineligible Players:

KuroiXHF:
Chickadee:
Mastina: Firebringer, Nero Cain, Whemestar

Eligible Players

Jingle: L-1 (10) Nero Cain, Creature, JJH, Jingle, Lady Angel, Aristophanes, Nico Robin, Vecna, Varsoon, Gamma Emerald
Nicorobin: (9) Lady Angel, Whemestar,

JJH

, Invisibility, Jingle, Varsoon, Gamma Emerald, Aristophanes,

Vecna

Varsoon: (8) Northsidegal, Mastina, Creature, Skygazer, Chickadee, Jingle,

Meme Men

, Nico Robin
Vecna: (5) Creature, Invisibility, Jingle, Varsoon, Aristophanes, Gamma Emerald
Northsidegal: (4) Chickadee, Jingle, Invisibility, Meme Men, Nero Cain
Aristophanes: (3) Chickadee, JJH, Meme Men
Firebringer: (3) Mastina, Creature,Jingle,
Lady Angel: (3) Mastina, Skygazer, Jingle,
jjh927: (3)

Jingle

, Lady Angel,

Nico Robin

,
The MEME Men: (3) Jingle, Creature, Meme Men,
Whemestar: (3) Mastina, Vecna, Creature
Porkens: (3) Jingle, Nico Robin, Vecna,
Gamma Emerald: (2) Jingle, Meme Men,
Nero Cain: (2) Vecna, Varsoon,
Skygazer: (1) Jingle, Nero Cain
Invisibility: (0)
Creature: (0)
Threshold reduction:
Threshold increase:

Players without a gladiate opinion at all: KuroiXHF, Porkens

With 20 alive, 11 is the proposed Gladiate Threshhold. If you want to reduce or increase the threshold, please indicate as such.

Please note, this includes information stolen from the recent votecounts and possibly from reads lists, assuming that all players you're claiming are scum you are also willing to see gladiated.

If you would like your name removed from a wagon, please indicate as such.

Additionally, I have begun the process of bolding the name on the wagon of their strongest scumread (Or what I percieve to be their strongest scumread). If you would like to have your name bolded on a particular wagon, please say so and I will oblige.

Links added and votes moved to be roughly chronological. Please let me know if anything needs to be changed/added/removed.

[Jingle]

Tomorrow, assuming nothing dramatic happens, I think we should take a hard look at GE, Sky, Fire, and NSG.

Also, I think the overlap and lack of overlap between the top three wagons is worth exploring. Today we should probably just gladiate me and be done with it. If someone would care to hammer, we can get this show on the road as soon as mastina gets into the thread.

[Gamma Emerald]

Look, hard truth time.

Do you guys actually want to continue playing this game?

I am committed. I'm here until game end or I die. If no one WANTS to play, that's fine. We can chalk this one up to a UPick taken by too many replacements. Hell with the trouble RC's already had with replacements and keeping up with the game, I doubt he'd be too upset to be able to call it himself.

But as long as I'm here, playing this game, I'm going to do whatever I can to give town the best chance to win. I'm going to do my best to fight the thread apathy and get things moving. But I'm not going to give up on winning in order to do so.

Let's look at where we actually are right now. I'm at L-1. A single vote from being hammered. We're stuck waiting on replacements, sure, but that doesn't really change much. Kuroi has needed replacement for 5 days. A bunch of people either don't want to play this game or are at a high risk for replacement anyway. We have 187 pages of information, and yet there are still people who have a suspicious lack of suspicion of anything in their ISO's.

If we're not going to play mafia, then let's not drag this shit out. If you want the game called, I suggest PM'ing the mod about it. Because besides this post, there's literally nothing I can do.

Thanks man, sorry the setup has been so replacement heavy. FWIW, I don't blame you.

VOTE: mastina
Mastina + Jingle scumbuddies CONFIRMED

[Gamma Emerald]

Like if that was any other combination Jingle would be aiming to lynch mastina
But he’s not because that hurts his chances of winning

[Invisibility]

I wanna keep playing

[Varsoon]

I wanna keep playing

It'd be cool if you could start

[Invisibility]

why

[Jingle]

Like if that was any other combination Jingle would be aiming to lynch mastina
But he’s not because that hurts his chances of winning

[Jingle]

TBF, Vizzy has been engaging much more than GE, Sky, Fire, and NSG combined.

[Jingle]

Change those numbers from 15/16 and I’d be pretty okay with this tbh

Missed this.

You realize, that if scum doesn't target within the pool of clears, we lynch mastina at 18 players alive under my plan, right? The low numbers are because scum would be giving us a reason to keep mastina alive by shooting the people who are heavily scumread.

[Jingle]

Well, excluding the chance that we hit a scumlynch. But if we hit a scumlynch, that's just as good as scum shooting in the players we would have lynched anyway, so... Pretty much a moot point.

[Jingle]

Oh, and FWIW, I'm happy to continue playing as well.

But we've been pending a replacement for five days, there's a good chance mastina is on her way out the door as a replacement given our prod rules, and Meme Men just put a 48 hour clock on replacing out. Facts is facts.

[Gamma Emerald]

I gave those numbers because I didn’t want mastina to be set up as game losing mislynch
And despite all this blister I don’t see you actually explaining why you wouldn’t just vote the origin of the apathy

[Jingle]

Because mastina isn't the origin of the apathy. Complaints about mastina are the origin of the apathy.

Note, we're not even using normal lynch mechanics and we still can't get more than 50% percent of the players to agree on someone worth lynching. Neither of the first two lynches would have gone through. We never hit majority.

[Jingle]

I gave those numbers because I didn’t want mastina to be set up as game losing mislynch

13 alive, lynch mastina, 11 alive at the beginning of the next dayphase.

For this to be a game losing myslynch we A. Have to have more than 5 scum. B. Have to have missed scum on 7 consecutive lynches. C. Have to have a scumteam who is literally chasing the innocents mastina gives us around and bopping them with the scumkill every night. AND D. Have to have had 0 successful uses of the protective roles we know to exist.

How is fear of this scenario reasonable?

[Varsoon]

What if
and hear me out here
Mastina
doesn't produce
innocents

[Jingle]

Then she's scum and literally can't be the game ending mislynch.

If she's scum, scum is still nightkilling in the players we would have lynched anyway to keep her alive past 17/18 unless we're actively lynching scum. If she's scum we literally can't lose by lynching her at 13 players alive. If she's scum, GE's worries are... Not worries at all.

[Varsoon]

Like
How do we even know she hasn't just been gladiating scum players so far
that's what I'm sayin.

[Varsoon]

Like when we get to 13p
and we lynch mastina
and she just flips scum gladiator
like what then

[mastina]

I could've sworn I posted yesterday and if not I thought that it was well before the 48 hour mark from the day before, huh.

Obviously, not prepared for posting today, but I have no reason not to, I suppose.

[Jingle]

If she's realclaiming the loyal, and has exclusively targeted scum, we have 2 immediate guilties after she dies which is still at 17 players alive at the latest.

If she's realclaiming as town and the investigates are on scum, then both Chick and Kuroi are godfathers. Chick, specifically would have to be an unlimited day fruitvendor godfather, and kuroi would have to be a godfather with whatever additional power he supposedly has. In which case, either the setup is hideously scumsided or we have some manner of catching multiple godfathers that has yet to be claimed and we've been manipulated into targeting only godfathers, which means we have wagon information to parse.

If she's fakeclaiming as scum, that's literally the point of lynching her once she builds up a decent pool of clears. Scum has to choose between shooting the people we would've lynched anyway or letting mastina build her pool and then dying early. Both of which are in our best interest as town.

[Jingle]

You should probably just gladiate me, given ~48 hours til deadline and me being at L-1 Gladiate wise, mastina.