Open 738: Purgatory | LA FIN

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townreading a slot who's really obviously town is so easy tho and like.. he is lacking a bit of keyser kapoooowwww

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POW creature
POW...probably Eragon I guess, sigh.. his read on Creature and awkward responses to it just don't mesh but also it felt like a town case
POW Keyser probably

If I'm being finessed it's by {you, Keyser} imo

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AUSUUKKKKAAAAAAA
watchmen wanted reunion hype \o/


you scum?

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with

you

?!
I started voting creature loooong before it was cool.

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Sure, if this is a WW reunion I have to get called opportunistic at least once right?

VOTE: Creature

expecting us to call you opportunistic just for voting the biggest wagon is sOoOoooOoOoOO opportunistic

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Did you know?

Orca whales are one of the most widespread species in the world..

Votecount 1.04

the worst (2) - Keyser Soze, Irrelephant
Keyser Söze (1) - Lefty
LabRat01 (1) - volxen
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde (1) - Carmen
Creature (1) - the worst
Not Voting - Creature, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, LabRat01

Time till end of hell phase 1: (expired on 2018-11-15 17:00:00)

See? Trend setting @LCP

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UNVOTE:

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:3

921 is a v v wolfy post

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so you're more or less ok w lynching anyone in the game except me and volxy eh

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don't get Es for Eragon
get As for Aragorn

I believe in you Elessar!

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Viggo Mortensen is indeed awesome
I'm gonna lurk a little til others appear...

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Labby
company

the time has come
VOTE: Creature

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Everyone will receive a Mafia Goon or Vanilla Townie role PM
The game cycles between hell phase and heaven phase, starting with a hell phase

@Manatee

lovely are you enforcing this rule via plurality lynching? <3

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I want to lynch him today. I still don’t like his interactions with Creature and the way he was going about TW the whole game was just weird imo.

Sorry to spin you around but this kinda stuff DOES give me pause on Keyz. I think he has partner equity to creature and scum equity regardless but inadvertantly soft-scumsiding is totally within his townrange. Need to fully reevaluate whether I'm getting sentimental because I luffles Keyser but I think he becomes more readable in this list, not less.

I find the way Keyser pushed TW during the game to be really off. He was perfectly able to TR me based on my emotional postings and he’s absolutely refusing to notice the same thing in TW’s posts, even though there’s way more of it and it’s way more obvious.

This is however a very strong point and I want some aggressive townspewing from Keyser if I'm wrong on him.

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Labby I really really like playing with you and if you're scum I'll cry
so
fess up if you are pls

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{quack quack}
{DrJ, volxen}
{Labby}
{Ausuka, Relly}
{Eragon}
{Keyser}
{Creature}

decent chance I am being Very Bad here but that's a block of 4 people i really want to be town

basically sorted by how likely I am to send them to heaven

chance I'm being finessed by Relly and he does read s/s with Keyser v much but also like.... keyser randomly reads as s/s with players out of nowhere even when they're t/t so it's kind of not a super reliable gut ping. Still if I'm being really bad it's in the Rel/Ausuka tier and means I'm wrong on Era.

I think the way Era is forming detailed reads comes from a town mindset before a scum mindset but there isn't anything there that's hard to fake as scum. I'm wrong on him before Keyser, and wrong on Keyser before Creature imo

Keyser can be town but I need a contextual meta influenced re-dive and will probably case him in.... hell 2? idk exactly yet

I feel ok rn

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also: I propose either myself or Volxen for heaven 1 and will need a fair bit of convincing to send a lower read

Obviously volxen is a better pick objectively because Rel+I are a good duo to air dirty laundry abt Keyser but he's also like... probably a bit better at & more interested in mafia than I am in a realistic sense so.... Idrk

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THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING

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doesn't mean I'm wrong on all of them just means you mess with my s/s radar when I don't townread you <3

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Is Ausuka that high based on Lefty posts?

I'll go into Ausuka later, that tier is faintly above null bc I'm going through my teen angst Irrelephant paranoia phase rn

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Lit, thanks.im also on the fly and did not have time to check.

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Cool Ausuka replaced in

Derp not SvS
probably

how

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I really don't think we should be lynching a 22 posting slot that's been vacant for nearly the entire day over people who have produced content who are readable. Even if Ausuka is scum she has two buddies we can lynch.

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also allows scum an easy bus if it's deemed a burned slot / Ausuka's WIM is low

nah, for what it's worth I would governate that lynch

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so basically as of like page 4 i'm pretty sure there's at least one wolf int he {DrJ, Labby, KeySo} interactions. they felt like.. steery but not actually conductive to anything really happening if that makes sense. like there's something there which is just interactions for the sake of interactions and somebody is either peddling some bullshit or coasting through that conversation. i had some intense Keyser paranoia ln but in retrospect I'm pretty sure Labby is always a wolf before Keyser here

i was on around

{tw}
{lefty, Jek/Hy}
{Carmen, Creature, Volxen, Relly}
{LabRat, ?KeySo?}

Can you elaborate on your read on my predecessor? because you were pushing them earlier, they kinda just flaked after that, and I don't understand how they suddenly pop up as your top townread? You sort of backtrack on that a few minutes later but they're still like a townread for you.

I feel as though I've spoken about lefty but they reacted well to my push and I enjoyed our real time interactions (as brief as they were)

This read is like many many pages outdated tho so catch up rq and we can jam

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ooh interesting a scumread on tw?
tell me more

honestly I kind of feel crazy for even entertaining the idea that tw has been bussing creature this whole time? but at the same time it kinda seems like something worst might do? idk

something I would do
just probably not this hard and at this point in his and my meta and also I blew out my scumrange by casing and pushing him :l

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oh so we're pretending derp clears have actual merit or

?

I don’t think anyone should read any of pg 1 as anything but tongue in cheek shitposting

originally shitting on derpclears as an institution kinda rubbed me the wrong way but in this case i actually pretty strongly agree that the derpclear conversation/interaction between Labby and Carmen felt gross

I don't understand this. It definitely seems like Lefty was shitting on derpclears and I don't get how they were saying it was a gross conversation?

Not sure what to add here? Yes he was but the derpclear wasn't worthy of being considered a derpclear and I liked the tonality of his later comments on it

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Okay this is too scummy from Keyser

VOTE: Keyser Soze

AWOO

Woops I stepped on some wolf's tail

This is very funny

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I don’t think I should be the D1 lynch guys.

But if I’m your strongest scum read, then ok then. My playstyle doesn’t work on this site anymore.


Bye guys been fun last few games. See you in couple years

ugghhhh Keyser why

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{DrJ}
{Volxen,

Eragon

}
{Irrel,

Ausuka

,

TW

}
{} - Null
{

Lab

(?), Soze(?)}
{Creature}
{}

These
This read list feels... Outdated somehow?

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Guess there's a world where this greens but I don't think we're in it. :/
Won't feel bad for it but I do already feel a little bad for being mean trash

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This is the same shit you did in Heroes Wanted.... Whatever I'm gonna wait for the flip

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Kor get those posts ready. I wanna cry at the start of the next day phase.

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Okay, you officially lost any right to say you can meta me

ye posts like this betray that you do realise I'm town here. your meta atm is difficult to parse/keep up with but I still feel okay about you flipping red here.

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Fuck off

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Keyser is never going to heaven this phase
DrJ, blast us with 300k+ characters pls

Ausuka are you caught up?

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Sweaty

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We're sorting you in Hell 2, I already said this

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VOTE: volxen

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My intent to sort keyser tomorrow has acrually firmed up because I desperately need a townflip rn to confirm I'm not gOiNg CrAzY

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Hey worst. Why should I vote volxen?

he's town
d=(´▽｀)=b
how are you reading him?

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that catchup style is fine, cab you just requote if you have lingering questions of me? I spewed hard like a couple of hundred posts after the point I think you might've stopped reading

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(I know that the basic answer to that is going to be "meta" like you've said in your ISO and I probably should've said that in the post above, sorry. I just don't understand why his ISO is so towny and I don't understand why his scumgame can't have just, improved - I don't think it's that rare.)

I'm concerned about him, mainly due to his general push of {Creature, Keyser, Eragon} i.e the most suspected players in the game as a category.

pedit: I think I'm alright at interacting with you? So I probably could just play for a few days and if I don't have a definite read back then go for the quotewalls etc.

It's within the scope of his town meta pretty comfortably and it'd be like quite a stretch for his scum meta

I don't think his scum meta is currently gearing towards improving so dramatically in such specific ways so to speak - I hope this makes sense but if not hmu and I'll iso dive

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I take it you mean korina's catch-up btw?

Yeah Kor is Dr J!

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telling of what
I cased and wagoned the fuck out of Creature and was on him for most of the day
while I wasn't on him I was still trying to sort him with a vengeance and my vote ended up back there

what's that telling of friend?

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also I really think you should post your massive wallpost now please. if you want to go back and format it later that's fine.

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ok, thoughts on tw -

I kind of feel this is a bit telling.

Creature (1) -

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Creature (2) - Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde,

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Creature (4) - Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde,

the worst

, Keyser Söze, volxen

Creature (4) - Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde,

the worst

, volxen, Ausuka

Creature (5) - Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, volxen, Ausuka,

the worst

, Irrelephant

he moved successively from leading the wagon to #4 on it. It looks to me like he was moving from the beginning to the end of the wagon, trying not to be associated with it. he also voted creature very early and kind of stayed on him the whole day. I'm not necessarily scumreading him, but I'm not reading him quite as much town as I was. I wouldn't be happy to send him to heaven especially combined with the buddying incidents earlier.

also, another thing
I feel like we'd be better off picking someone and getting on with it
we could go round in circles for 7 days otherwise

no, what's your angle with this post? and why is your TR wavering?

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it looks kind of suspicious to me that you go from #1 on the wagon to #4

back later to explain more
can't stop now

why?

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This legit feels sounds like a townie who doesn't want to be connected with scummy slime (me), or seen to be doing a suspicious U-TURN. LabRat jumped in to answering Eragon's question to TW and put the record straight: 'I HAVE NEVER HAD TOWN RELATIONS WITH THAT MAN!'
I think LabRat may be back in my good books.

Am I miss-reading this?

I agree, her tunnel is pretty towny and hard scumread on you feels pure

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Ok so this is my thought process behind this

Basically I thought scum would be likely to want to be near the end of the wagon to not be associated with the lynch. So I felt a bit concerned that you were seemingly moving 'down' the wagon from #0 to #5

I've also had concerns in the past about you buddying me a bit. So overall I am townreading you less than I was.

Why does a scum thought process lead towards me thinking that aggressively tunnelling him all day and encouraging the list to lynch him while using my vote to sort people resulting in it ultimately shifting backwards down his wagon = not being associated with the lynch?

This isn't even level 0 thinking. It's level -0.5. I genuinely don't think it makes any sense.

There's a couple of conventional scumtells on the Creature wagon via vca and I am not one of them. Wanna have another go?

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(I know that the basic answer to that is going to be "meta" like you've said in your ISO and I probably should've said that in the post above, sorry. I just don't understand why his ISO is so towny and I don't understand why his scumgame can't have just, improved - I don't think it's that rare.)

I'm concerned about him, mainly due to his general push of {Creature, Keyser, Eragon} i.e the most suspected players in the game as a category.

pedit: I think I'm alright at interacting with you? So I probably could just play for a few days and if I don't have a definite read back then go for the quotewalls etc.

It's within the scope of his town meta pretty comfortably and it'd be like quite a stretch for his scum meta

I don't think his scum meta is currently gearing towards improving so dramatically in such specific ways so to speak - I hope this makes sense but if not hmu and I'll iso dive

Yeah idk I don't get that. Does he really have such a distinctive scum meta to the point where you can easily predict exactly how it would improve? I mean, I've had scum games before where people have just believed that I'm town because I played a terrible scumgame with them recently and they believe an extremely mediocre scumgame was beyond my capacity; I think that sometimes just playing scum, even if you don't do so well, can help you get used to it and perform better next time. And IMHO volxen's play in Watchmen really wasn't that bad and could've got him pretty far had things gone differently / the game had a different playerlist?

I think his town and scumganes have been pretty markedly different (we play together lots and maybe I've probably inadvertently read all of his games on site I guess). plus we're like buds and have talked a bit about how we approach both alignments + he's sought some feedback from myself and others about his play

so within reason, I think I can anticipate a trajectory of his scumplay/townplay development yeah. Sorry it might sound bizarre from the outside looking in but I feel really comfortable. Relly's defence makes me feel pretty comfortable too (I think he does this as either alignment but it doesn't present as s/s)

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Ughhhh Tw might not be town

Talk to me Relly
I'm gluing this town so I really can't afford your read on me to waver. sorry.

Plus if your reasons are as bad as DrJ"s we should deffo air them

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scumteam and rarely has two scum (though if I were scum here I’d try my best to make that happen) so if I can find a solid town out of those three I *might* prefer that over volxen

I probably agree but Labby is always the solid town outta these 3. regardless... volxen is like hard town and is always a good heaven candidate

DrJ is subject to current inquisition because they've done a couple of little gross cheeky things I'm wondering if they thought they could get away with.

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This legit feels sounds like a townie who doesn't want to be connected with scummy slime (me), or seen to be doing a suspicious U-TURN. LabRat jumped in to answering Eragon's question to TW and put the record straight: 'I HAVE NEVER HAD TOWN RELATIONS WITH THAT MAN!'
I think LabRat may be back in my good books.

Am I miss-reading this?

I agree, her tunnel is pretty towny and hard scumread on you feels pure

Do you have any doubts with Dr J?

I really wanted to sort Dr J and LabRat today.

Yes
Watch this space
ヾ(¯∇￣๑)

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but like people can change? like when you metaread me in mafia month it didn't work because i had changed my scumgame to subvert your expectations knowing that i was scum and you were town and the best way to not be caught by you, considering how well you knew me, was just to try and play outside the boundaries of what you knew of my play? do you think volxen, if rolling scum against you, could try the same thing as that? i kinda hard doubt he would just sort of roll over and play to what you KNEW was his meta as scum?

in fairness, you have over a year's experience over volxen and are kinda cognisant of how to avoid being meta scumread. like to some extents. for example rn you look exactly like town you but I'm holding off on the read to better analyse intent/trajectory alongside of meta pings.

Sure there's a world where volxen could be scum but also I kinda think his contributions have been really towny as well. I know they're easier to fake than say, mine, but they're still showing a pretty clean train of thought imo.

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you're right that i have more experience over him but i also feel like you don't need experience to do this if that makes sense? like maybe i'm biased or something but I feel like you don't need experience to feel that, if you roll scum against someone who knows you and someone you've talked to about your scumgame, you would just avoid stuff you do in your scumgame and avoid stuff that you told that person you do as scum so you don't get caught. like, i think fooling people by subverting expectations is something that occurs outside mafia and is an idea i think most people would be familiar with even if they are completely new to the game of mafia itself.

this I agree with at a theoretical level but I think that acrually informs my townread of volxen again. He doesn't feel like volxy imitating his town meta so much as volxy just being volxy. I think when you first roll scum against someone who knows your game well, it's always a temptation to try (me rolling scum v Mathdino in Earthbound probably spewed my best scumgame to date) but as a newbie it's really not easy intuitively imitating your town meta without prompting, and without sounding awkward if that makes sense?

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Relly I'm having a moment of mania

how about we send Keyser to heaven

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Does anyone have any of these players in their PoE/bottom 3 reads:

Dr J
Irrellphant
LabRat
Volxen

:3 ~~

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Not S-S:
TW-Dr J
Dr J-LabRat
Irrelephant-Volxen

Level with me on rel/volx?

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I wouldn't really exclude them from being SvS tbh. I don't strongly feel that they are but it does seem like a premature conclusion

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Dude I misread Creature I am doublethinking EVERYTHING
my WIM is also through the fucking floor

but yeah atm volxy is my strongest preference

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kinda wonder if we pick someone more interesting tho

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VOTE: LabRat

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if this reds I'm probably gonna give up on mafia

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what about Era/llephant?

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Sure have! Starting to wonder whether you're both town but just like a passing curiosity

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Hi

I dreamed we quicklynched Labby and she was town

jsyk

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Ok so this is my thought process behind this

Basically I thought scum would be likely to want to be near the end of the wagon to not be associated with the lynch. So I felt a bit concerned that you were seemingly moving 'down' the wagon from #0 to #5

I've also had concerns in the past about you buddying me a bit. So overall I am townreading you less than I was.

Why does a scum thought process lead towards me thinking that aggressively tunnelling him all day and encouraging the list to lynch him while using my vote to sort people resulting in it ultimately shifting backwards down his wagon = not being associated with the lynch?

This isn't even level 0 thinking. It's level -0.5. I genuinely don't think it makes any sense.

There's a couple of conventional scumtells on the Creature wagon via vca and I am not one of them. Wanna have another go?

Ok so this is my thought process behind this

Basically I thought scum would be likely to want to be near the end of the wagon to not be associated with the lynch. So I felt a bit concerned that you were seemingly moving 'down' the wagon from #0 to #5

I've also had concerns in the past about you buddying me a bit. So overall I am townreading you less than I was.

There's a couple of conventional scumtells on the Creature wagon via vca and I am not one of them. Wanna have another go?

suppose you englighten me? I'm not familiar with many "conventional" scumtells tbh.

Sorry friend you're gonna have to explain why you think I'm scum (refer the parts of that post you snipped for no reason).

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I guess that dream also had her owning up to to being a mastina alt so... grain of salt

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I guess that dream also had her owning up to to being a mastina alt so... grain of salt

Is Mastina fond of slimy players?

I mean... Probably sometimes... but also Labby probably isn't mastina

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mmmkay I think we look at wagons very differently. it wasn't really clear why you thought I was ever scum off wagonomics

American Presidents squad can probably back me up, vca on scum!me is a mess

thinking about Keyser but still kinda uncomfortable with him being the heaven 1 pick. if anyone actually objects to Labby please lmk?

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actually fair point. Labby should probably be a part of sorting you.

Somehow I've gone from having tonnes of townreads to paranoid scumreading nearly everyone.

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who's like
just town here?

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While Irrelephant is away, let's talk about him
Mean things only

his trunk is weirdddd

who's like
just town here?

No one is Nauci-town this game.
Even a slot like me is in contention for heaven on D2!

ye I agree
I'm disappointed in myself for how d1 went down but I still feel like the most obvious town here. Still, I don't want to go to heaven (Creature correctly identified that my reads aren't good enough to win the game from there)

who are the wolves on wagon tho

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Did you know?

Highland cattle are well adapted to the scottish highlands, and have been compared to caribou in resiliency..

Votecount 1.10

Creature (5) - Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, volxen, Ausuka, the worst, Irrelephant
Keyser (2) - LabRat01, Creature
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde (1) - Eragon
Eragon (1) - Keyser Söze
Not Voting -

Creature has been lynched! He was...

Spoiler:

A Vanilla Townie

Time till end of heaven phase 1: (expired on 2018-11-22 15:30:00)

I'll tryhard this later

Starting to worry there were only a couple of town on here. Will do due diligence later. Busy

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I'm really not townreading Eragon and not seeing why anyone isn't townreading me here.


pedit: I can't read all of this yet but you're literally looking at a smear campaign. I'm waiting for a fucking coward to talk to me about why they think I'm ever scum here.

If I'm not, look into {Eragon, Keyser} for your wolf. This is blatant baseless discrediting, and anybody who's falling for it needs to check themselves and come out with an actual reason.

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What's the deal? :<

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I'm kinda bored of being talked around. I'm the self appointed town leader because I'm clearly town and broke my scumrange more than once yday--whether or not my reads are good no one has denied this or tried to speak against it.

If you think my reads are bad talk to me about it. You know my play well enough to know fluctuating WIM doesn't = scum!ducky.

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@Keyser, The more I think about it, I think you may be right about TW/Irrelephant/Labrat being the scum team. If I am right about {Dr. J., Keyser, Eragon} being town, then that leaves {Ausuka, TW, Irrelephant, Labrat} by POE.

You feel pretty good about Asukua[Lefty] being town Keyser?

Ausuka's probably town yeah.

Can you succinctly tell me why you are wrong town on those 3?

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strong town*** sorry
my confbias is showing

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Eragon's case on Creature I'm pretty sure is wolfy. I need to revisit it but he had absolute conviction that Creature was town and didn't even blink to question his read. He also failed to engage with my scumcase or any contrary evidence. It was informed.

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@TW

Would you vote Dr J to heaven or do you oppose?

I'm loosely ok with the proviso that I need to be nervous a little longer? because I don't feel like anuone is anxious about DrJ

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First off, it wouldn't be buddying.
second, what reason does Scum!me have for going against the flow right when i enter and bringing attention to myself as the only person that TR creature(other than keyser)
you might say pocketing, and while yes, thats a possiblity, creature was not having much of an impact on the game reads-wise, so the fact you think i would "pocket" creature, while bringing everyone else's attention to myself, is ???

sweaty

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"I could be wrong but...." != reconsidering your case and engaging with contrary reads I'm gonna revisit it like I said but I really don't remember there being much flexibility

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Era, I'm about to be in a shadowrun session for like 6+ hours so I'll need to respond next time I'm in front of a computer. my point stands for the time being.

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VOTE: Dr. Jekyll
Bbl. sorry lovelies.
<3

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narp

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5 is maj in 8p

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I'm just concerned kor is bullshitting (obviously) abt his 300k post catchup but like... We all know thqt

he's literally off the race of the planet tho poor kid so activity reads are moot af. I'm just curious he felt the need to make it up to compensate for his absence.

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Eragon my dear somehow you get even funnier when you're serious

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Can you throw some korina goodness at us Lcp? Idrm if it's unreadable. It's a necessity for my townread and sustained mental health.

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Also just gonna note I won't heavily criticise it if it's partial--Korina's moods change like the wind esp. as town so I'm kinda prepared for something pretty wild.

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Yes please.

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Just as much spew as possible -- I know it'll be erratic and superseded!

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yeah it's hard to differentiate between content and quotes, ty though. I'll have a read a bit later.

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I'm fine w that, just need a better option!!
for post-game/posterity I actually did dream that Labby was hammered, admitted to being a mastina alt and flipped town

I thought you'd all find it as funny as I did

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VOTE: volxen
Sick as a dog now, I'll be aroundish but kind of feverish and trying to sleep.

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Time till end of heaven phase 1: 3 days, 22 hours, 39 minutes

i'm a rebel w/o a cause and we have enough time left for some fun

funnily enough, rel is the only one of those 3 i see as scum atm

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can someone else please tell me they see how ridiculous this page is?

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keyser is a wolf exactly 100% of the time, and you two are probably both town and should both feel bad for eating the bullshit he's laying down

rel is the only one of those 3 i see as scum atm

Late distancing attempt eh?

assigning motive to my posting is wolfy as hell. my read on rel is obvious and has always been obvious.
this is, if anything, a rel/keyser distancing attempt.

i'm never a wolf distancing from wolf!rel here.

LabRat and TW probably...
I’ll case them individually in tomorrow’s hellphase.

Due to content.

I wish Irrelphant had double the posts for us to chew on.

:thionkng:

this is, if anything, a rel/keyser distancing attempt.

Time till end of heaven phase 1: 3 days, 22 hours, 39 minutes

i'm a rebel w/o a cause and we have enough time left for some fun

funnily enough, rel is the only one of those 3 i see as scum atm

@TW, are you trying to take me out of the game so I'm not around for the hell phase on day 3?

no, why should I?
again avoid assigning motive to other people's posts. when you tunnel me like this rather than asking me to explain my reasoning, you immediately lose the ability to force me to produce alignment indicative content in favour of trying to make me look slightly wolfier.

i think this is coming from town!you

I think he probably wants to prevent a quickhammer and reverting to his other candidate.

i don't even understand what the reasoning is here
again refer assigning motive to other people's actions

a lot of the reasons you seem to ridicule me aren't things scum do fam

Think I know why TW wants Volxen in heaven.

Guess who Dr J town read...?:

I'm absolutely happy with Keyser. I'm townreading him at the moment and more so than tw or lab. Volxen... I'm not sending someone to heaven based on meta. I'd rather send a townread to heaven

VOTE: Keyser


As for the rest, by POE scum must be among them though I am not discounting my possible townreads, tw and labrat, I'm a bit shaken in those by scummy things I've seen

TW and Lab.

i'm not sure what this is even meant to mean

I think he probably wants to prevent a quickhammer and reverting to his other candidate.

I think he wants to lynch me or Eragon tomorrow.

Or bus Irrellephant if forced to.

:thinkggign:

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Think I know why TW wants Volxen in heaven.

Guess who Dr J town read...?:

I'm absolutely happy with Keyser. I'm townreading him at the moment and more so than tw or lab. Volxen... I'm not sending someone to heaven based on meta. I'd rather send a townread to heaven

VOTE: Keyser


As for the rest, by POE scum must be among them though I am not discounting my possible townreads, tw and labrat, I'm a bit shaken in those by scummy things I've seen

TW and Lab.

Why would me townreading who you scumread cause tw to vote volxen? I'm not seeing the connection.

thank you xD

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oo i'm townreading a wolf

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unless it's literally {era, relly, keyser} i guess

pedit: cOmMoN sEnSe

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keyser's literally just spewing out whatever he can think of that makes other slots look bad

it's very transparently not town motivated so i implore you all to stop reading effort as alignment but yeah i did appreciate your "huh?" response to his most irrelevant shade throw

[the worst]

{tw}
{volxen}
{dr J}
{Labby}
{Ausuka}
{Eragon}
{Rel}
{keyser}

what
this might be an ok solve

[the worst]

keyser: hey let's send people to heaven based on which wolfy slots they want to lynch tomorrow rather than their town equity

everyone: hey yeah that's a great plan!!! let's fuck up our chances of lynching scum AND send less-likely-town to heaven!!!

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keyser's literally just spewing out whatever he can think of that makes other slots look bad

it's very transparently not town motivated so i implore you all to stop reading effort as alignment but yeah i did appreciate your "huh?" response to his most irrelevant shade throw

This is what you’ve been doing all game.

I will expose you tomorrow.

You want to protect your scum partners and misslynch town.

i absolutely cannot wait for this throwdown pal, you're openwolfing and you are going down

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{tw}
{volxen}
{dr J}
{Labby}
{Ausuka}
{Eragon}
{Rel}
{keyser}

what
this might be an ok solve

I knew you and Relly would bus today once exposed

the fact you're sticking to this ridiculous narrative is just screaming that you have no interest in reading my slot
you've found your narrative and you think it's gonna win this game for you, so you're sticking to ti

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{tw}
{volxen}
{dr J}
{Labby}
{Ausuka}
{Eragon}
{Rel}
{keyser}

what
this might be an ok solve

Why do you feel more confident about me being town than about Dr. J being town?

I feel I have a stronger grip of your playstyle than Dr. J's
I feel your contributions have got MORE town indicative whereas theirs were markedly stronger d1

it's a personal greater confidence townread

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keyser: hey let's send people to heaven based on which wolfy slots they want to lynch tomorrow rather than their town equity

everyone: hey yeah that's a great plan!!! let's fuck up our chances of lynching scum AND send less-likely-town to heaven!!!

You haven’t been paying attention.

Dr J is the towniest player.

Volxen has only reached top town status today in my eyes.

Even Volxen should admit to this too. No way was he a town clear on S1.

"these are the correct reads."
"you are not having the correct reads."

t/n: "you are resisting my narrative and i do not like it"

{tw}
{volxen}
{dr J}
{Labby}
{Ausuka}
{Eragon}
{Rel}
{keyser}

what
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I knew you and Relly would bus today once exposed

the fact you're sticking to this ridiculous narrative is just screaming that you have no interest in reading my slot
you've found your narrative and you think it's gonna win this game for you, so you're sticking to ti

I keep asking you.

Who is scum.

this isn't a real question. ever.

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Keyser I felt was town, but that could change. I'd look at akusa, volx, and eragon. I'm not seeing why those latter two are being widely read as town. These resds are mostly poe. Akusa is just there because I don't actively townread him, he'd be the last I'd lynch. If the three scum aren't in that pool of 4 players, then tw is probably going to be scum. But I doubt it.


Keyser vs tw tomorrow will be a fun read

Ausuka is a she btw

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NOW I KNOW WHAT YOU ALL FELT LIKE WHEN I POSTED QUOTE!WALL

DOES IT BURN?
THAT'S HOW MUCH MY FUCKING EYES BURN WATCHING KEYSER OPENWOLF!!!

[the worst]

keyser
soze
sweaty

i am voting for volxen because
1) they are my strongest townread
2) we have several days til phase end and i want your wolf ass to suffer
3) i think dr. j is more likely to lynch scum tomorrow
4) you are pushing dr. j's heaven hammer very hard and i don't think you're town
5) i enjoy changing my mind, pushing buttons and seeing how people react : ]

as for scum, look at that tiered read list you quoted several times while asking me who's scum

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{tw}
{volxen}
{dr J}
{Labby}
{Ausuka}

{Eragon}

{Rel}
{keyser}

what
this might be an ok solve

if i'm wrong on a wolfread it's era before you or rel
era has towntells as well as wolftells and it hUrTs My BrAiN
it's not you, i am right on you

if i'm wrong on a townread it's ausuka first (content suggests town and i like the way she entered the thread challenging me. but i believe in a pinch she potentially can fake this much (it'd be stronger wolfplay than mafia month but it's not impossible)). her lack of tangible analysis towards your slot is +partner indicative as well in spite of my townlean there.

there's a world where i'm wrong on labby but it's less likely than the world where i'm wrong on ausuka imo

[the worst]

Scratch thst, keyser vs tw is fun to watch now
*grabs popcorn

i'm not gonna be conscious all that much longer, eat fast

[the worst]

i'm fine w that
it's mechanically correct for either of us, as wolves, to bus irrelephant given consensus reads and the fact that if we lynch correctly today nearly half the list tomorrow is scum so

[the worst]

You tell Dr J why Eragon is scum, and i’ll tell Dr J why I think Eragon is town.

Deal?

We have 3 days.


Eragon can even chip in too.

Love triangle.

you go first, i literally have nowhere near enough energy to case Era rn

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Are we going to wait out the deadline here? I don't realistically see anyone besides Dr. J getting sent to Heaven, because he doesn't seem comfortable with sending me to Heaven.

ye a few things

i'd rather heaven you than Dr. J

we have valuable sorting time, and i'd say one of me or keyser should be hell'd tomorrow

[the worst]

like the number of universes where we are t/t is rapidly diminishing

i was seriously considering it up until he positioned my slot so grossly after i'm objectively outside my scumrange since d1

[the worst]

@tw and keyser assuming I'm martyred, who should I vote for according to you on a judgement day?

i'm not comfortable answering this

[the worst]

Are we going to wait out the deadline here? I don't realistically see anyone besides Dr. J getting sent to Heaven, because he doesn't seem comfortable with sending me to Heaven.

ye a few things

i'd rather heaven you than Dr. J

we have valuable sorting time, and i'd say one of me or keyser should be hell'd tomorrow

No, it won’t be a 1 vs 1.

We are lynching one of the 3 most scummiest mofos in the game.

"the worst is a wolf, the worst is a wolf! oh...nah, it's not a 1v1 let's lynch someone else"

:THNIGKUING:

[the worst]

no

this is one of the most interesting posts in the game and I think I like it
remind me to reread it later?

[the worst]

I feel like I should be nervous about a cheeky sideways pocket from {Rel, Lab} :/

Ill be around a bit more like, maybe tomorrow irl. still fighting this fever.

[the worst]

but honestly i feel Labrat's case is pretty town motivated, thought out, etc...?

like, i am still trying to decide TW/Keyser, but i think Labrat @Keyser(that is to say, his case on keyser) while not necessarily scum!keyser indicative, i think it bodes well for lab

fwiw i :thumbs_up: this sentiment

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uhh

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Because you and I are sorting each other tomorrow. That's why I'm not interested in going at least

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I got a little paranoid of Relly in WW but for the most part ye I agree. He kinda has low enough content that sneaking in with a stance like the previous page works from either alignment. :/

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I've entertained us as t/t a few times but I feel like every time I let my guard down you re-mount a smear campaign.. :/

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but considering most of the game thinks there's a wolf in us and we're devoted to sorting each other TO THE DEATH in hell 2 do you think people should be pushing a "TW for heaven" campaign?

and ye I'm very paranoid about pocketing rn, I just can't think that many layers down right now

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The lack of rejection from the rest of the thread makes me wanna not send Dr. J to heaven. I don't think he's a wolf but I think scum want him heaven'd

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Who the fuck even is the scumteam and why am I townreading like everyone

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why am I townreading like everyone

Are you town reading me, Ausuka and Eragon?



Nah, didn’t think so.

I go through phases of tring all 3 of you

sorry to do this but

v/la like 48 hours

while this fever passes
can't really say I'll post at all and if I do it's going to be as lacking as it has been

[the worst]

just gonna be That Guy [TM]
has anyone checked the sort by postcount wolfteam yet this game

also love the avi Keys<3

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I may just be obsessing over the worst and Irrelephant too much after a run of games with them, but these scumfeels do feel real mayn. Need to clear my head. x

This is where I'm at wrt you and Rel.
current mood is us aggressively spamming at each other and the fact we'd be engaged in ww3 for top poster position if I wasn't nearly unconscious is >rand TvT

but tonally it doesn't feel TvT and I don't feel like I've had the opportunity to case TvT liek, to myself yet

with Rel there's a lack of gamesolving trajectory and energy that I want to see there

I can also feel you guys as SvS but I can see why you as town would see elements of SvS with the two of us >:C this is so vexing

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Any comments tw before I hammer? Its late here

nup, busy with work and being a puddle of brain goo.

Good luck in heaven friend. If you're a wolf mad respect to both of you (but mad mad respect to Lcp for holding the torch so high while kor's been v/la)

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Did you know?

Wombats poop is cube shaped

Votecount 2.06

Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde (5) - Keyser Söze, volxen, Ausuka, Irrelephant, Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde
volxen (1) - the worst
Not Voting - LabRat01, Eragon

Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde have been lynched.. they were

Spoiler:

a Mafia Goon

Time till end of hell phase 2: (expired on 2018-11-27 22:40:00)

this wagon is literally just not pure
mafia control 3/8 votes

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all due respect but

I called volxen was a better choice for heaven. I was a lot subtler about the fact we probably should have extractsd more content from Korina but in spite of that flip, it was a clearly scum motivated wagon and I'm proud I called for that to be avoided.

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Eragon. LabRat. Why were you not voting at EoD?

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all due respect but

I called volxen was a better choice for heaven. I was a lot subtler about the fact we probably should have extractsd more content from Korina but in spite of that flip, it was a clearly scum motivated wagon and I'm proud I called for that to be avoided.

Ugh.... was not expecting that scum Dr. J flip, WTF...

Now I feel like I have to reevaluate everything once again. How many of Dr. J's scum partners do you believe were on his wagon? Given how universally townread Dr. J was, I think it's also possible neither of his scumbuddies were on his wagon.

This game just got much harder...

What do you think is more likely? Talk me through the wagon

[the worst]

I'm grumpy and gonna be passed out soon enough >:c

[the worst]

anyway current mood is scum probably pushed the Dr. J wagon earlier and town would have joined it later. Haven't checked names yet. Too pissy and tired. Towards the end though it was really obviously poorly motivated (I still thought he was town just thought he probably had shite reads or something) but literally fuck everyone for not just quicklynching someone else

if we'd sent Labby we'd have an awesome high info lynch
If we'd sent Volxy we'd have a higher chance of a townie in heaven

good news, this probably solves via vca. Bad news, I'm grumpy.

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hot take: 3 of the doc J voters were scum

Kinda wouldn't surprise me a while lot?
if there's a wolf it's probably you, I think Labby presented as real af unless she was just hard pocketing me (need a double check here)

your unvote is a viable nervous action around a buddy and isn't impossible to manipulate vca but hey I also think there are 2 more wolves on the wagon ^_^

[the worst]

bOiLiNg HoT tAkE

Keyser is probably town btw I really doubt he's... that....... way........... about a scumbuddy

actually that flip is highly indicative of town!Keyser :/

[the worst]

I can't focus enough to respond to that but I don't think it's all that strongly alignment indicative no? I don't see what I should be townreading about you from it

[the worst]

yea but I spoke about that last time I was here unless I dreamed about that

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I can't focus enough to respond to that but I don't think it's all that strongly alignment indicative no? I don't see what I should be townreading about you from it

uhh you shouldn't be townreading me from it.

its NAI unless you are calling an Eragon/Volxen team

ok we agree yoh could be either town or scum from it so it's NAI

or are you saying its town indicative unless I think the team is you/volx? if so, why and why not if I think the team is you/volx?

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please continue this convo I am seeing this like tiny tiny spark happening. keep fanning it

[the worst]

you/volx

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its not AI AT ALL, unless you think the team is volxen/me, in which case it might be scum indicative.

but from your recent postings you dont think volxen is scum, so its 100% NAI

ok pardon if this is semantics but you've lost me officially. let's say I think there's 1-2 woofers in you/volxen. talk me through why whether I think you're tvs or SvS should effect my stance on whether that post is AI?

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Ohh yeah okay sickposting
more, like, nervous around the imminent prospect of a partner being lynched not necessarily SvS with volxen. I meant nervous around the flipped scum wagon

sorry

[the worst]

like I said I haven't really looked into it you're just getting my like, wagononical hypothesis. still need to gather and synthesise data to form the conclusion.

since you say it that way I'm sure I'll find you innocent. nothing to worry about.

Spoiler:

I don't know... does the wrath of the ducky make you nervous?

[the worst]

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(t/n: I can relate)

[the worst]

That's an extremely cute cat. Inexplicably my cat loves belly rubs so..idk... it's hard to know and sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. Being a cat owner is like that.

[the worst]

Keyser... what if I said we should learn to love each other and get along?

[the worst]

fyi I basically locktowned volxen the moment you explained to him why I smelled like pockety scum and he swung on me
i think he's potentially correct on Rel? i'm a little intrigued as to whether he actually finds me high scum equity outside of the TR on you and your stance on me

who else is town here?

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yeah I'm an infamously easy pocket but I don't think many people know I have like...potently good reads early day one pretty commonly

i just have a habit of getting distracted and then pocketed by them
gut entering this thread was {keys, labby} contained two scum and i'm worried i deathtunneled the wrong one and the actual scum slipped through.. :/

don't have the energy to like, convince myself of this right now

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btw i think you're outside the "keyser townrange" i know but on reflection maybe... not necessarily... in a bad way?
just like, not what i've come to expect from you as town

interestingly enough though if this is actually you're scumgame i'm surprised by a few things and will reconsider my profile of you as a player. not in a bad way at all. just a surprised way. <3

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unfortunately in this setup vca is tough unless there's like a CLEAR AGENDA (d2 which i'll analyse later)
d1 was a clunky + largely town-pushed mislynch. secretly i strongly wolfread lcp's creature wagonomics analysis wrt my slot in isolation but didn't really wanna talk about that

actually i'm a little tilted so just quickly

Spoiler: my issues with heaven 1 going to dr. jekyll

1. korina is frozen and wolfy as scum and has been v/la, we should have waited for him to come back bc he's a lotttt easier to sort than lcp
2. slot was towny in iso but had reasonable wolf equity with every slot in the game
3. the gamestate was clearly scum driven and dr. j was very obviously the preferred lynch over volxen who was imo markedly more obvtown
4. it is correct play if korina is on your wolfteam to find a way to remove korina from the game before he freezes and is correctly wolfread
(postgame: sorry kor, based on previous self meta i think you know i'm a little right)

ok tilt removed
d1 wagonomics probably won't give a whole lot away? if wolves are in nullslots they avoid wagons so that they're never correctly resolved bc they're not going to heaven

[the worst]

I’m glad today is not about me vs you too - maybe that is what scum wanted?

if we're tvt, 100% definitely

[the worst]

cyoot fuzzy oxy

Did you know?

Muskoxen often form giant circles using their horns to protect themselves from various predators..

Votecount 1.07

Creature (2) - Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, the worst
Keyser Söze (1) - Lefty
LabRat01 (1) - volxen
the worst (1) - Irrelephant
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde (1) - Carmen
Not Voting - Creature, LabRat01, Keyser Söze

Time till end of hell phase 1: (expired on 2018-11-15 17:00:00)

think dr. j flip spews me town tbqh but this is case in point
d1 vca was very very boring, also i hope carmen's slot is town but this is 1% >rand scum

ostirchos!

Did you know?

In the peak of their lifespan, ostriches have one of the strongest and most advanced immune systems..

Votecount 1.08

Creature (4) - Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, the worst, Keyser Söze, volxen
Keyser Söze (2) - Lefty, Irrelephant
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde (1) - Carmen
Not Voting - Creature, LabRat01

Time till end of hell phase 1: (expired on 2018-11-15 17:00:00)

given gamestate and strong scumcasing plus one wolf onwagon i think both yours and volxen's votes are probably more likely to come from town
i can see you as a tEh ScuMZ mastermind wrt sheeping me thru a mislynch, hard pushing the d2 lynch onto your scumbuddy and away from town!volxen but i'm losing a lot of interest in this theory

cpajbyara?

Did you know?

Capybara's can hold their breath underwater for up to 5 minutes..

Votecount 1.09

Creature (3) - Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, the worst, volxen
Keyser Söze (1) - Lefty
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde (1) - Eragon
Eragon (1) - Irrelephant
Not Voting - Creature, LabRat01, Keyser Söze

Time till end of hell phase 1: (expired on 2018-11-15 17:00:00)

pro tinfoil scum!keyser theory via vca otherwise wolves are avoiding like the plague
i'm kinda figuring if they realised dr. J was a prime candidate for heaven in phase 2 this is like..probably the correct time to avoid the wagon bc it's gonna be confirmed to have a woofer on it...? but also volxen is the other candidate
either way ye i think there's exactly 1 scum on wagon at this point (clearing volxen furtherer)

hehe

Did you know?

Baby peacocks can function on their own just one day after birth..

Votecount 1.10

Creature (4) - Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, the worst, volxen, Ausuka
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde (1) - Eragon
Eragon (1) - Irrelephant
Not Voting - Creature, LabRat01, Keyser Söze

Time till end of hell phase 1: (expired on 2018-11-15 17:00:00)

i don't think scum!suka is wagonminded so i can't strongly v/ca but i think her repping in then leaping onto a wagon with a wolfbuddy is less likely than this just being town!suka

did i/someone force her onto the wagon or was this organic?

kitties

Did you know?

Highland cattle are well adapted to the scottish highlands, and have been compared to caribou in resiliency..

Votecount 1.11

Creature (5) - Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, volxen, Ausuka, the worst, Irrelephant
Keyser (2) - LabRat01, Creature
Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde (1) - Eragon
Eragon (1) - Keyser Söze
Not Voting -

Creature has been lynched! He was...

Spoiler:

A Vanilla Townie

Time till end of heaven phase 1: (expired on 2018-11-22 15:30:00)

..if other wolf on wagon probably relly

[the worst]

i'm really sorry i don't have the capacity for decent vca right now. these are just impressions.

Hi, welcome

Vote creature with me?

Sure, if this is a WW reunion I have to get called opportunistic at least once right?

VOTE: Creature

i wanna SvS read this exchange but in context of jUUUst repping in it's probably TvS indicative
it'd be kinda like..weird for LCP who's bold but not reckless to tell his scumbuddy where to vote then not make any effort to get her involved in the game.. like a part of me wants some dumb awkward "waht r ur reds" question from LCP after this but it never comes...

probably somewhat town indicative for Ausuka

[the worst]

could you dig me up the exchange between labby and dr. j which felt unaligned?

[the worst]

uh i forgot to post ugh

i think d2 was pivoted to make you look w/w with Dr. J by the end of it
subtle pushes, plus the volx lynch would have been the work of EEVIL SCUM TW so you never would've gone for that

it's much more effective to position the top poster into doing your will than arm wrestling the top poster so *shrug*

incidentally i think the position we're in is if you're s/s with Dr. J your d2 play was unbelievably level 1

like on d1 i could scumcase you but i'd be writing about a comic book villain by eod2 and it's exhausting

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plus unconvincing.

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I'd be keen to see whether Rel's more nuanced reads were his own as well tbh, they've definitely been echoed but unsure if by him or by who

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basically accepting:
- if you're s/s with DrJ after d2 I need a break from mafia because I am BAD
- I keep arriving at a net townlean on Ausuka
- every time I think about Eragon as scum, a tiny yellow feathery tear rolls down my cheek (and he also yells at me >:C)
- Labby I largely townread d1 because she talked me out of it and d2 via gamestate stuff which relied on tvt wagons which scum!Keyser was manipulating to get his favourite townie into heaven)
- I've had a really hard time townreading Relly here


ye I'm OK with where you're at

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- every time I think about Eragon as scum, a tiny yellow feathery tear rolls down my cheek (and he also yells at me >:C)

also some of his reads have shown a thought process really different from watchmen wanted which I think is more in line with how town!Eragon forms his read. he played a fucking good game but also was townbinned there partially due to gamestate and poor wagonomics (plus the inordinate amount of TvTs he could coast through )

we're deffo looking at a different era here, he's a lot sharper with a smoother trajectory and he's like. cognisant of his position within the gamestate and how slots are revolving around him, y'know?

either his wolf WIM has soared or he's Just Good Ol' Town

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{tw}
{volxen}
{Keys}
{Era}
{Ausuka}
==null==
{Labby}
{Rel}

feels better

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{tw} 100%
{volxen} .....gulp..... 90%. If he's a wolf I'll be mad
{Keys} probably like 85%
{Era} maybe 80%
{Ausuka} probably 75%ish
==null==
{Labby} ffffffifty%??? shaken read that is wolf by rand + PoE right now but I don't feel wrong on a townread
{Rel} looks SvS with Dr J is prime candidate for wolf sitting back watching town destroy itself nuanced thoughts so far look like they've come from other mouths, something like 60% wolf

weighted
this feels really gross in my playstyle tbh, I think I need to leave it to logical thinkers (ircher is brilliant at tiering and weighing his reads for example)

I think it's healthy for context tho. I'm not null on Ausuka, I think she's town. it's just if I am wrong on a townread it is probably her before you or Era. I just don't think I'm wrong on any currently.

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I kinda don't think her interactions with Creature were scum!suka on a mislynch and I don't think her asking me why she should vote volxen is particularly scum indicative either.

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I also kinda feel like resolving the issue of Too Many Townreads [tm] might actually win us the game

pedit: yeah okay fair. I was still kinda pissed off when I posted that and hasn't parsed the fact you were very likely town yet

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She's definitely stingy with her vote. But some amazing players (one of my all time faves who doesn't play on MS atm for example) are absolutely mind blowingly restrained with their votes as either alignment so I've kinda leaned away from it being a categorically scummy thing. NSG for example also tends to be pretty decisive with her vote to the point of sometimes holding off on voting altogether.

The defensivenees and deflectiveness to being SR'd..it's probably less towny than Era's on first impression was but I need a better playstyle profile for Labby.

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Do you think 388 is partner indicative or TMI cuz?

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I was pretty consensus townread at that point. Do you think he'd feel the need to soft towncase his partner and wouldn't feel anxious about doing so?

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The other alternative was he was slipping into the pack without wanting to look like he was slipping into the pack which is frankly NAI or slightly antialigned imo

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I tend to read random lengthy reads like that as anti partner indicative. If it was cheekily massaged into a larger read list I'd kinda get it but he sort of just broke into this random town!tw soliloquy which would be a very weird way of drawing associatives to yourself and your partner. Especially if you're looking at a {Dr. J, tw} scum dynamic which has a high chance of at least one of us going to heaven d2 and spewing the other.

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That said I'm also casing against myself being partnered with flipped scum so.. just lemme know what you think. we feel hauntingly close to an ironic town win so there's no harm in working through all this.

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Random doesn't mean he refuses to read me all game sorry. More like it wasn't a structural readslist, just a whimsical town!tw soliloquy.

DrJ/Labby associatives I do need to go back through but I haven't seen anything to suggest they're not aligned tbh

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if there's a hammer I will be mad

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....wasnt?

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11/10 troll mod (also cool avi)

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who was it? fess up

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Ye that's probably it I guess

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Chainsaw defending someone doesn't make the defended person more likely to be a scumbuddy, just the defender more likely to be scum.. Scum chainsaw defend when they see derpcases against players they know to be town just as quickly as they chainsaw defend bad cases on their buddies.

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i'm kinda around this weekend. pretty worn out and have been putting more time into other stuff.

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VOTE: Irrelephant11

lets be real
this sucker turns to ice unless we worknout whether or not we're being ROLLED or the current solve is closeish

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Well Era... it's you and me against the world buddy.
I'm still pretty sure Not Voting is town tho

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Yeah rbh

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I'm not getting the kind of righteous fury from her I kinda expect to see from town who's worried about a lategame mislynch on a TR tho? like this could mean it's a TMI read from her but I also think Relly kinda checkin out is pretty w indicative

not talking activity tell either, there's just not a lot happening when he does post

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if Volxen is a wolf he just wins lmao

if you're a wolf I'm not even sure who you're aligned with anymore and you read as heavily unaligned with Dr. J

at this point I'd be far enough outside my wolfrange I'd be like. possessed.




Eragon's in a lower variety of your bracket; if Irrel greens somehow I trust him to be further into his townrange than Ausuka is outside of her scumrange (she'll probably punch me for saying this but it's only out of respect for her play, and I have seen some solid wolf play out of her)

Uhhhhh actually I'm gonna re evaluate this quickly and make sure I'm not being dumb

for those following at home I'll be rereading xyzzy's mafia month (strong Ausuka wolfgame) and yessiree's pypx/y (solid Ausuka towngame I've seen recently where she was heavily involved lategame)

Actually writing this I think her read fluidity here has been highly town indicative. just flashing back to recent marathons rq I think it's something she struggles with a bit when on the spot as scum and I think her reads this game have been fairly crisp and fresh

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Yo

I'm just back to say this doesn't look like Ausuka's wolfgame like, at all.

if it isn't just Rel/Labby I'm gonna be confused as fuck.

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I've never been much of a believer in bullet points.

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I'm gonna have to pop in when I can and throw points around, bear with me

Sure, if this is a WW reunion I have to get called opportunistic at least once right?

VOTE: Creature

+Town points for tonality and entrance to the game but not a lot, vote's important

What if the team is {Lab, Creature, TW}?

-Kor (to both)

It really hasn't been very long since the game began. I don't get why you seem so convinced Creature's scum already. Also I don't think he really does the lurking thing as scum anymore.

I don't think she calls her scum buddy out for this shonky read. Pretty much ever. Competing with Mafia Month she did name a few posts from profii but it was mostly a "I like this" and "I think profii's town" kind of vibe; her other scumbuddy was Nero Cain who she scarcely interacted with

Idk I would just be a little surprised if she picked her establishing deepwolf/heavenwolf to question on his reads like this so early

also there is zero self consciousness about parking her vote along with the wolfbuddy she's just quizzed which... seems contrary to scum!suka's mindset tbh

I'm gonna aim for the long game.

Find one scum per hell phase
One town per heaven phase

Like what is actually the point of this post? I feel like it's supposed to be game-related content but it contains nothing except Creature saying "I'm going to try and identify who's scum and town" which literally everyone tries to do. If it was as easy as just "finding scum" town would win every game.

Actually I think the lynch is likely Creature anyways so not gonna post more about him for now.

honestly

#wolfposting
I have never started an honest sentence with the worst "honestly"

honestly i called him "very town" because he pinged town to me consistently while he is posting, i'm cognisant of the fact that him sounding like that early is town indicative...and also i was biased by korina's posting later

i think that slot's reasonably obviously town, i'll be reevaluating it but i don't feel like i should be paranoid...? or doubting that people who sound like town in rvs might be tEh ScUmZ?

Did you roll scum on me worst

Given she's more burned out now than she was then (sorry if this is an outdated statement) I think scum!suka is a bit quieter when it comes to a d1 mislynch which will go thru. I'm not sure she's like "ye creature is the lynch now *INTERROGATES THE WORST*" before she kind of angles to position herself in a better spot to get towncred

given she would have to know the wagon is partially scum motivated there's a lot more to gain from suddenly townreading Creature or admitting she's not sure if that makes sense? It felt like a legit sheep and I think she believed in the Creature wagon

actually just musing but I think in 14/2 we probably avoided that mislynch, I'm a little annoyed at myself for it. anyway gotta let bygones be bygones

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her opening disdain towards {me, Dr.J} is probably worth analytical solvey mindset points as well She pushed me really well imo and the initial townread on volxen was also probably not super well researched, I was accountable to check it and make sure I was right (still think I am but go Ausuka d1)

I wanna say her reversal on my slot was during d2 when I was being heavily wolfcased as well which I mighttttt be misremembering bc fever happened during this game but if this happened she's town

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The lack of rejection from the rest of the thread makes me wanna not send Dr. J to heaven. I don't think he's a wolf but I think scum want him heaven'd

Jekyll would've been in heaven by now if there's a "lack of rejection" from the entire thread. Just because people aren't screaming about how bad of a vote it is.

Eragon is null to me. Like I get he probably shouldn't be but like I seriously don't know what to read him on, lol. Most of his posts just look null to me. Maybe I should catch up on d1 after all.

I don't think this is Ausuka who's scum with Dr. J, really don't want to be wrong about this read tho so if this is becoming applied reasoning lmk.....

Do you think 388 is partner indicative or TMI cuz?

tbh I think it's partner indicative at least to the point of canceling out my earlier idea. The "this post has a bit of effort so it literally can't be scum" looks like it's explicitly trying to townread you rather than just TMI.

kinda feeling her re-read of Dr. J with this kind of angle is probably from someone who didn't know Dr. J was a wolf before the flip if that makes sense

it's also a pretty dangerous w/w read for scum!suka to make and I feel like she probably talks herself out of it more than she makes it

I can't not townread worst here I think.

yeah ok it was after d2 but it was still nice. this was literally the page after we re-read each other as TvT and unless she's a wolf with you? (but that's just a tinfoil of 2 people i think are town) there's really not a lot to gain from reinforcing town cohesion

Ausuka did you ever settle on a read for eragon?

I said that my read on him was null, didn't I? If I get a read on him when I'm reading the thread, I'll tell you.

Okay, fine, how has the flip changed your reads?

The flip itself doesn't change much for me other than generally losing confidence in my current reads as a whole. I never had any associations for anyone with Jekyll.

I might be assigning this bonus points because I agree so strongly, my only associative was I had {Keyser, Dr. J} always containing exactly 1 scum because of the way d2 went down but for the most part that flip was like a kick in the guts. it was low info AND not the alignment we wanted and I don't think this was a Big Mood in the thread; just what I was feeling. (this is mid fever so if I misinterpreted thread mood that could be a thing :/)

Tw is probably town based on the lack of any wagon - while I don't doubt scum could be WIFOMING there, I think thats much less unlikely than them leaving a wagon sit there.

Also, post 297 - it looks very town. I see plenty of town motivation there, it shows plenty of effort which I don't think scum is going to do if they can get by without it. Sort of similar to how someone in another game (town) literally made a chart with colour showing every vote

Furthermore, he kind of feels like he is enthusiastic. Maybe that sounds stupid and probably is, but just based on tone, I think he looks a lot more like town than scum.

I still am a little concerned at him seemingly trying to buddy me, but hmph, I'm probably reading too much into it

Hmm actually maybe that comment was stupid.

this re re check of her read on me and possible associatives with Dr. J is interesting, I'm gonna think on this more

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Just picking random parts of Ausuka's iso I don't feel like this is scum!suka tho which is telling me that's a read I am swinging strongly towards : / I townread her pred a little as well so yeeeah this is a pretty comfy read to settle into

{tw} 100%
{volxen} .....gulp..... 90%. If he's a wolf I'll be mad
{Keys} probably like 85%
{Era} maybe 80%
{Ausuka} probably 75%ish
==null==
{Labby} ffffffifty%??? shaken read that is wolf by rand + PoE right now but I don't feel wrong on a townread
{Rel} looks SvS with Dr J is prime candidate for wolf sitting back watching town destroy itself nuanced thoughts so far look like they've come from other mouths, something like 60% wolf

weighted
this feels really gross in my playstyle tbh, I think I need to leave it to logical thinkers (ircher is brilliant at tiering and weighing his reads for example)

I think it's healthy for context tho. I'm not null on Ausuka, I think she's town. it's just if I am wrong on a townread it is probably her before you or Era. I just don't think I'm wrong on any currently.

If I was being more politicalful I probably should have nullread Ausuka here without commenting and seen if she punched me for it (I think town!suka does but scum!suka probably chills with being third from the bottom)

but it felt kinda disingenuous so I over explained my read instead

nice

bleetjhffjjf

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I feel she's probably less anti associative than you are but I also have warmer meta with her scumgame and feel like this prrrrrobably isn't it

might be at
{tw}
{volx}
{keys}
{Ausuka}
{era}

for town

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y0u're n0t d0n't w0rry
wh0 am I wr0ng 0n?

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d'you think all 3 scums were on wagon