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In post 1594, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:

In post 1589, Shoshin the worst wrote:{STW}
{Varsoon} - either conftown or obvscum. no one forget this ever.
{Meph39}
{Tibor and Lumia}
{Alchemist21}
{u r a person 2, Almost Chara}
^^^ prrrrrobably all town in order of confidence. if I'm wrong on a townread I think it's urap2/ac but I don't feel wrong on them

{ProFlavor}
{Michael Scott}
^^^ old townreads I can't remember if I like anymore

untiered:
Kokichi
jjh927
Mewtaph
Taly

Is your untiered list, ordered?

If so, why is Taly at the bottom? I have a hard gut townread on him.

Also, why does Profilhead seem kind of townie and Eraserleaf, more like flaming scum?

In post 1599, Shoshin the worst wrote:

In post 1597, ProFlavor wrote:Anyone who doesn’t want to vote STW can you tell me why the difficulty of getting the wagon together isn’t scum indicative please

~ woof

We're like
overwhelmingly obviously town
even comparing to SCM1 where both heads were hard townread as scum d1 lol

In post 1598, Shoshin the worst wrote:

In post 1550, Krazy wrote:

Votecount 1.14

Shoshin the worst(4)

~ Varsoon(170), Mewtaph(45), ProFlavor(128), Kokichi Oma(17)

Mewtaph(3)

~ Alchemist21(71), Mephistophanes 39(293), u r a person 2(93)

pinturicchio(2)

~ Tibor and Lumia(109), Taly(116)

jjh927(2)

~ Michael Scott(65), Almost Chara(111)

u r a person 2(1)

~ pinturicchio(45)

Kokichi Oma(1)

~ Shoshin the worst(238)


Not Voting (1): jjh927(11)

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2019-01-17 04:00:38)

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pinturicchio needs a prod. The last post was at: 1/12/2019 9:31:00 PM which was 2 days 19 hours 21 minutes 16 seconds ago. -- might be on health V/LA
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FLAVOR

Spoiler:

Going for tiered empathy on our voters it's basically
Mewtaph >>> Varsoon > ProFlavor > Kokichi

It kinda checks out for Mewtaph to be like AW NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN as town and vote us. I can't decide if the freezing in real-time thing is more likely to come from scum or town if I'm completely honest. From one perspective it does suck to be bombed with questions and ridicule as scum who feels like you're doing well so reacting with like "ew you suck" because I'm not townreading him. but on the flip side this COULD be a genuine considered reaction given last time I reached out to him I was going for a last minute pocket before lolhammering him.

Maybe scum!Mewtaph thinks harder about the optics of not talking to us at all in real-time, putting us down then disappearing? I don't really know, anyone wanna check his scum meta or...?

Varsoon's push on us is offensively outside the realm of common sense and I've spoken about it a lot but I think the fact I'm genuinely annoyed by it says something

Pro's vote on us is frankly pockety and I've documented my wall of issues with the nonsense they're spewing.

Kokichi's play vs. {AC, us} is transparent self defence and...isn't towny....

In post 1603, ProFlavor wrote:I was checked out of YGM basically the entire time I was involved in it.
~Leaf

In post 1586, Shoshin the worst wrote:Unfortunately I don't think I like many of the wagons atm at all. I know this is a bad time to get cold feet on Mewtaph but the level of flail and swing around here is actually reminding me of d2 in SCM. I still strongly dislike the way he squirmed when I tried to reach out to him here vs. last game but I'm not sure it's a scumtell in isolation.

jjh would be a terrific flashwagon but we're too close to deadline.
lol Kokichi

gonna go re-weight reads rq

UNVOTE:

In post 1596, Mephistophanes 39 wrote:VOTE: jjh

In post 1605, Michael Scott wrote:VOTE: Kokichi Oma

I don't think his OMGUS is town-indicative, seems like it's well within his scumrange. His vote on STW is opportunistic.

~Jimothy

In post 1607, Tibor and Lumia wrote:I am going to formally say these votes or lack thereof are all bad with less than 24 hours left.

This is a formal statement of badness.

In post 1592, Shoshin the worst wrote:Varsoon if you're actually comfortably town I think it's incredible you're not self aware enough to realise how pocketable you are via your deathtunneled on us. this wagon is never 100% town

In post 693, Varsoon wrote:No, because I'm the town Vig and I don't believe this game has BOTH a confirmable town role by public design in the vigilante and ALSO an IC.
I think it's more likely that Kokichi is either trolling or has a role he feels will hard-confirm him as town.
Regardless, given how Kokichi's claim played out in Starcraft Mafia 1, I find it obscene how STW is pushing there, especially because from their PoV they admit to thinking I'm not the vig, so they are full aware that Kokichi could be softing he's the vig, which lines up with the IC claim.

In post 1613, Varsoon wrote:My opinion is that the slot sorts itself, like it always has when he's claimed IC.

1. Nope, read the quote above. I believe he's got a role that he feels will hard-confirm him as town.
2. He lies about these things most of the time, but the lies are more misdirects than outright lies.

In post 1615, Auro wrote:

In post 1613, Varsoon wrote:My opinion is that the slot sorts itself, like it always has when he's claimed IC.

1. Nope, read the quote above. I believe he's got a role that he feels will hard-confirm him as town.
2. He lies about these things most of the time, but the lies are more misdirects than outright lies.

1. I don't get it - you said you *don't* believe the setup would have both a hard-confirmable town and also a vig. So you don't think both vig and IC would exist, but vig and "role that

can

hard-confirm someone as town" is possible? I think I'm misinterpreting your thought process here, clarify?
2. I still think those "misdirects" are anti-town. Apparently the last time he claimed IC he didn't even mod-confirm it, which is pretty dangerous - I think as long as he's not straightforward with it there's no reason to trust him. I'll check how often he claims IC right off in his scumgames.

If he has a propensity to much around and "misdirect" as town, this means he can retract it later and wave off scumreads when his being IC is disproved, so that factors into why I wouldn't refrain from lynching him in this case, too.