In post 5, Krazy wrote:1. Michael Scott (Auro + Volxen Hydra)
2. Shoshin the worst (the worst + Shoshin hydra)
3. Mewtaph
4. u r a person 2
5. AlmostChara (Almost50 + Chara Hydra)
6. Mephistophanes 39 (Nancy Drew 39 and Aristophanes hydra)
7. pinturucchio
8. nicorobin
9. ProFlavor (Flavor Leaf and profii hydra)
10. Kokichi Oma
11. Tibor and Lumia (brassherald and Gamma Emerald hydra)
12. alchemist21
13. Taly
14. Varsoon
In post 0, Krazy wrote:
1. Shoshin the worst (the worst + Shoshin hydra)
2. Mephistophanes 39 (Nancy Drew 39 and Aristophanes hydra)
3. Varsoon
4. Almost Chara (Almost50 + Chara Hydra)
5. Michael Scott (Auro + Volxen Hydra)
6. Kokichi Oma
7. Tibor and Lumia (brassherald and Gamma Emerald hydra)
8. jjh927 nicorobin
9. Mewtaph
10. alchemist21
11. ProFlavor (Flavor Leaf and profii hydra)
12. u r a person 2
13. pinturicchio
14. Taly
Original and latest positions. I think each of the 20-ish times was a change in positions. We need to observe what causes a change there. Votes? Hmm.
~Jimothy
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:50 am
by Varsoon
@Jimmothy: Don't feel like discussing it. Like I said, the devil's in the interactions, really. I don't like their interactions. I thought I spelled that out before?
In post 1642, Kokichi Oma wrote:Why do people vote people who havent played the game. Pin is a mislynch prob. Lynch shoshin
I wish you WOULD play the fucking game.
-Soon
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:53 am
by Almost Chara
In post 1650, Michael Scott wrote:Original and latest positions. I think each of the 20-ish times was a change in positions. We need to observe what causes a change there. Votes? Hmm.
~Jimothy
post 5 is a different list, edited twice. it was randomized at the beginning of the game.
the playerlist in the first post is the signup order. nothing's changed.
~Chara
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:55 am
by Michael Scott
Ah, okay. The "22 edits" got me overthinking. Nevermind, then.
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:55 am
by Varsoon
Huh.
I wasn't even aware of the disparity between post 5 and the first post, actually.
When people were saying EVERYONE was between me and STW, I thought it was either sarcasticly implying Mephisto blocked the shot or they were counting weird.
Interesting that AlmostChara and Mephisto are the ones aware of that
Maybe I'm just actually dumb.
-V
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 4:58 am
by Michael Scott
No no, the first post was the sign-ups one, all edits were made pre Jan-06 (I misread as Jan 16), the list was randomized to output the starting list in #5.
People were correctly referring to #5.
I'm dumb too
~J
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:01 am
by Almost Chara
i actually had thought the first post was the starting order, i think until Almost pointed it out early on in our PT.
Varsoon, does this make you think any different about what we said regarding STW not necessarily being the cause of your failure? if movements are a mechanic in the setup i would expect being far away makes acting hard, somehow.
~Chara
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:05 am
by Almost Chara
i'd thought you were just ignoring that and had gone back to saying it had to be STW's fault specifically, especially when you said their townflip would give you that info.
by the way, i agree that Michael Scott is town.
voting STW over Kokichi due to paranoia feels wrong somehow. Kokichi isn't playing well but i don't think it necessarily means he's scum. and i'm aware that the worst tends to be pocket-y as town, too.
having three options is even worse than having two. i need to come up with less reasons to townread those two and Mewtaph and figure out which is most likely scum. i do think Kokichi might be best
lynch
for the long run?
~Chara
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:13 am
by Almost Chara
but a scum lynch is better, so if STW or Mewtaph is scum that's still a mistake, to lynch Koki.
in 1218 STW says they're no longer paranoid of us as a townread. in their most recent list we're at the very bottom of townreads, and once
again
we're the first townread they're wrong on.
1218 is the anomaly here to me, like they didn't want to say they were paranoid of us after talking about how towny we were, but in their next list we go back to where they'd "slotted" us.
maybe i'm making a mountain out of a molehill (and could be biased because the read is on us specifically), but this feels less like read progression and more like scum deciding where reads need to be.
i should actually track the rest of their reads but this is unfortunately the one i remember the best.
1593 is a post i don't find AI but really identify with.
~Chara
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 5:42 am
by Alchemist21
I could compromise on Kokichi but it’s low-info and I don’t think it has a better than random chance of hitting scum. It’s a hard to read slot though and I don’t foresee that changing.
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:13 am
by Mephistophanes 39
In post 1622, Varsoon wrote:Who started that goofy 'soul read' nonsense?
I can't stand it
It's like
If it's a gut read, just say that
'soul read' implies something more and it's goofed
like
Oh man I did the tarot cards for you and I destiny-read you as town but doomed to bring calamity
like what the shit is that
get that outta here
soul read
stupid.
-Soon
I consult the psychic friends’ network, before every mafia game.
In post 5, Krazy wrote:GAME START PLAYER ORDER -- RANDOMIZED
1. Michael Scott (Auro + Volxen Hydra)
2. Shoshin the worst (the worst + Shoshin hydra)
3. Mewtaph
4. u r a person 2
5. AlmostChara (Almost50 + Chara Hydra)
6. Mephistophanes 39 (Nancy Drew 39 and Aristophanes hydra)
7. pinturucchio
8. nicorobin
9. ProFlavor (Flavor Leaf and profii hydra)
10. Kokichi Oma
11. Tibor and Lumia (brassherald and Gamma Emerald hydra)
12. alchemist21
13. Taly
14. Varsoon
i wish this was in the first post, because that order is static and this one appears to be the one that will matter.
Kokichi, you need to play the game too.
~Chara
Could this explain why Varsoon is Stw vig failed - re: the bolded?
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:23 am
by Mephistophanes 39
And why is Kokichi a better lynch, MS over jjh/Nico who has arguably much higher scum equity? I still extremely dislike Mew’s play here.
In post 1600, Shoshin the worst wrote:I'll switch to jjh as a sheer compromise but if that slot's town we'll start to see it.
I would've been fine with a Nico lynch but it seems like JJH plays in a non-lurk way and I trust that we'll start to see if it's town.
And Kokichi? I don't think so. We'll just continue to have that bad quality play, where he could be any alignment, and still a liability to town in my eyes.
Nancy, I think you tend to dislike anyone who begins to scumread you, so you do carry some bias I think - but Mewtaph's posts actually carry a lot of depth in them - compare to any scumgame of his, I think there's a slight difference. *shrug* Need to do a deeper study but I'm leaning town slightly.
Shoshin actually began to scumread Mew less recently, and I think that's kinda town-indicative for her, since scum!STW would be survivalistic and probably try to push the second-biggest wagon.
~Jimothy
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:28 am
by Michael Scott
Can you hide big quotes in spoilers (unless *super important*)? It makes the game easier to read, generally.
In post 1600, Shoshin the worst wrote:I'll switch to jjh as a sheer compromise but if that slot's town we'll start to see it.
I would've been fine with a Nico lynch but it seems like JJH plays in a non-lurk way and I trust that we'll start to see if it's town.
And Kokichi? I don't think so. We'll just continue to have that bad quality play, where he could be any alignment, and still a liability to town in my eyes.
Nancy, I think you tend to dislike anyone who begins to scumread you, so you do carry some bias I think - but Mewtaph's posts actually carry a lot of depth in them - compare to any scumgame of his, I think there's a slight difference. *shrug* Need to do a deeper study but I'm leaning town slightly.
Shoshin actually began to scumread Mew less recently, and I think that's kinda town-indicative for her, since scum!STW would be survivalistic and probably try to push the second-biggest wagon.
~Jimothy
*Sigh*. I’m really getting tired of both you and Chara discrediting my extremely valid opinions wrt to Mew, You both are free to disagree with my reasoning but it’s really infuriating me, that you both decide that you know what I think, better than I do. :/
I’m not interested on lynching a slot solely based on a dislike of playstyle differences, I want to lynch scum or rather, “mislynch” scum.
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:35 am
by Varsoon
Kinda wish I was a cop instead of a vig.
-V
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:35 am
by Mephistophanes 39
In post 1665, Michael Scott wrote:Can you hide big quotes in spoilers (unless *super important*)? It makes the game easier to read, generally.
~J
I tried that and the formatting got completely messed up.
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:35 am
by Varsoon
It would be way less interesting/demanding that way, though.
-V
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:37 am
by Michael Scott
@Meph:
Can you concisely state your list of reasons to scumread Mew? We can talk about it.
I'm not deciding that I know what you think, I'm saying that IME you generally tended to scumread people who scumread you, so inductively it may hold here as well, contributing some bias.
I think Kokichi is pro-scum, it's not a simple matter of disliking his playstyle.
Let's talk about Mew, since you scumread him.
~Jimothy
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:38 am
by Varsoon
We really need to consolidate on a wagon ASAP
Otherwise we're not going to get a flip and that's awful
-V
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:43 am
by Michael Scott
VOTE: Mewtaph
Between STW and Mewtaph currently I'd choose this (although I like their posts and wanna continue playing with them :/ ), I feel this both are town wagons so scum's easiest move is to lurk, and that's likely what they're doing - so I want to get opinions from people
~Jimothy
Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:46 am
by pinturicchio
Quick update: I'm feeling better. I had a doctor appointment in the morning and told me that what I'm feeling is pretty common and that was a relief. I have a kinesiologist appointment in an hour or so. I'll be back to slam dunk this mother fucker. There's a lot of pages to read tho, can I get an update on the game status? I'll try to read everything but because of the deadline I can't promise that.
Thanks to everyone concerned about my health; I didn't know I could V/LA because of it and knowing that was nice in order to keep playing.
Can you concisely state your list of reasons to scumread Mew? We can talk about it.
I'm not deciding that I know what you think, I'm saying that IME you generally tended to scumread people who scumread you, so inductively it may hold here as well, contributing some bias.
I think Kokichi is pro-scum, it's not a simple matter of disliking his playstyle.
Let's talk about Mew, since you scumread him.
~Jimothy
I extremely dislike having my opinions discredited based on someone telling me what I think claiming to know my reasoning better than me. You of course are free to disagree with the actual reasons themselves. Just please stop telling me that my reasons are something other than they are. Neither you or Chara has access to my brain and I would greatly prefer that you both stop acting like you do.
A) He hardpushes Alchemist for reasons that make little sense, considering he has no meta on him and I know for a fact, his play is virtually identical to his play in OK 2.
3). Mew’s play is extremely different here than in SC1.
4) Weird Gamma question.
5) Scumly PL lynch bs.
6) Baseless hostility.
However, if Pint is green. it makes Mew look a lot better here, since I think they could possibly be linked.
I feel more confident where my vote is currently as jjh has done nothing to couner my scumlean on Nico.
Kokichi is probably mislynchbait and am not currently seeing anything scummy there. I too didn’t like Stw’s jump on him, especially after 1195, where town!Nico doubled and tripled down on being a “flip-based” player, so I think our best chance of hitting scum today, is lynching that slot.
