Open 749 | Vengecop - Over!

[northsidegal]

Votecount 4.2

Target	Wagon
xwing (1)	BBMolla (971)
Not Voting (4)	xwing, Dr Worm, Dannflor, Draco Lucky

With 5 alive, it takes 3 to lynch. The Day 3 deadline is in (expired on 2019-03-10 18:35:59).

Mod Notes:

xwing is V/LA on weekends.

[Dr Worm]

BBMOOLA also SEEMED TROWN!!

DR WORM CAN"T REMENBER ANUTHING ABOUT DANCEFLOOR!!

[Dr Worm]

DRACO do YOUS THINK SCUMTREAM planned WORM TO SOLO WIN through 2 BUSES??

NO-WAY HO-ZAY!!

[Dr Worm]

ANYBIDY who VOTES DR WORM plaese ALSO ADD WHO you want VENGECOPED by WORM!!

[Draco Lucky]

DRACO do YOUS THINK SCUMTREAM planned WORM TO SOLO WIN through 2 BUSES??

NO-WAY HO-ZAY!!

So day 1 I don't think you guys were planning to bus.

Wagon starts on OK, micc tries to turn the wagon to someone else, but fails. He can't jump on at that point because he's come out against it, so when it looks all but inevitable you jump on with that big whole show to lend it some town cred.

Then D2, you didn't want to bus, so you sat on vedith, which eventually became the lynch.

D3, with RC gone, and basically the entire game scum reading micc, there was no benefit for you not to bus, so you did. And junko votes you to give you some wifom to hide behind.

In short, no I don't think you guys planned to double bus and send you all the way to 3p lylo. I think you were forced into it.
-U2

[Draco Lucky]

Hey guys, it is Slaxx.

I've decided Xwing/BB are town. These are almost all from Day 1/Day 2 in regards to Micc interactions, as OK's wagon was imminent fairly early and Junko's wagon was fairly imminent day 3. Everything about Micc and BB's interactions felt like TvS so I didn't elaborate on them much, but if anyone has doubts we can discuss them. They are fairly evident.

Spoiler: Xwing Town

xwing

okay i think i'll go for this slot:
VOTE: overkill

i think you're mostly posting fluff and actively lurking so far..
hope that changes on your wall post..(hope it's not THAT BIG of a wall though..)
how's your read so far?
what do you think of bb?

xwing was the first one on OK and I don't think that post is SvS.

Everything on page 10 screams Xwing town... they were catching flak for not pressuring Dann and had every opportunity to join the wagon and get off Overkill.

what do you think of micc's argument against your reaction test? you find it AI?
how was dann and vedith's reactions townie compared to others? (e.g. me and micc, from the top of my head..not sure if there were others who voted)

This is one of those goofy tells, but do scum really admit that their buddy is off the top of their head? Like if we were scum do I post "Off the top of my head tell me why you're not townreading U2 and I?"...it is a bit silly but I put a lot of stock in small stuff like that as long as it feels natural.

why is micc scummy? and why did you decide overkill is the better wagon, even if dann (your scum read iirc) is on it?

i like all the days, i just hate RVS so i guess D1 is technically what i hate the most too..
you're more of a flip type of player?

This is +xwing town. Xwing isn't really pressuring PP here and basically giving him a chance to towntell in relation to two of the scum wagons, when he was a viable ML. If this turned into pressure it would be high +scum for xwing but it did not, so I think this is more +town.

Spoiler: BB Town

bbMolla

{Vedith}

{Micc}

{Creature, x-wing}

{Draco Lucky, Dannflor}

{northsidegal, Dr Worm}

{BBmolla}

{0verki11}

{DoubtingThomas}

...you have a read on the mod?

VOTE: BBmolla
Self voting for reactions really falls apart when you’re not reading the thread.

Big +town for BB

How is that relevant to the quote?

Penguin explained that list in post 65 and yet you’re still asking about it. I don’t see how you miss that while claiming to be reading for reactions.

Big +town for BB

Skimming

You or someone asked me what I learned so I went back to read the things I didn’t notice

This makes sense to me. I was the one who asked.

But then why is Micc's vote on you horrid? You claimed to be hunting for reactions, but you clearly (and now admittedly) weren't reading the thread very carefully. Do you think it is unlikely that town!micc would scum read you for this? If so, why?

-U2

Micc spent all of the early game discussing theory.

His transition out of it was to vote me.

It's lazy and pretty easily scumplay trying to disguise as scumhunting.

Big town for BBMolla

VOTE: Dr Worm

I have a whole bunch of stuff on Dann I can post if you wish, but I keep gyrating on my read. There's some heavy town-Dann stuff in there in Dann -> Micc interactions but some heavy scum Dann stuff from Micc-> Dann interactions. Since we know Micc is scum I am giving dann the BotD and willing to defer to U2 on Dr. Worm and assume Micc was trying to set up a Dann ML later on.

-Slaxx

[Dannflor]

i voted bb over worm because i had worm with a weeeeee bit more town points than bb..

What are your town points for Worm?

[Dannflor]

@dann what are your thoughts on Dr. Worm?

I cased him yesterday, thought he was slightly more likely to be a partner for Micc/JC over xwing. The rest of D3 didn't really change that, and I'm more solid on town!xwing now. Dr Worm falls as my top scum pretty naturally via POE, but that worries me? I didn't come into today focused on Dr Worm because I definitely think it's worthwhile to reevaluate my other reads and make sure I'm not confbiasing. But I'm pretty confident on BBmolla and xwing town at this point.

I second guessed you momentarily because the dichotomy in #977 seemed pretty convenient? Like it gave you an out to go either way depending on how the tides turned, but the progression in #989 makes sense and I think I was just getting paranoid.

The other thing that had me paranoid was the lull in activity/atmosphere of apathy that seemed to be surrounding the game. Wasn't sure if that was because scum had given up or if they were happy with the way things were progressing. Probably not something I should try to read into though.

[Dannflor]

has anyone played with scum!dann before?
lastly, i dont want to vote until everyone has come in and said their piece..

No one here has played with scum!me as far as I know.

For transparency, here is my most recent scum game: viewtopic.php?p=10756824&user_select%5B ... #p10756824

I'm capable of at least somewhat adequately mimicking my town game and behaving townie enough to avoid lynch so I'd rather you weren't too quick to town read me based on just me "seeming townie"

There are probably specific tells you can find for scum!me but I shouldn't be the one to analyze that

[Dannflor]

DRACO WAS TROWN in my MIND but LESS CERTAINN NOW!!

Why?

[Dannflor]

DRACO do YOUS THINK SCUMTREAM planned WORM TO SOLO WIN through 2 BUSES??

NO-WAY HO-ZAY!!

What? I don't think it's out of the question

Votecount 1.Final

Target	Wagon
0verki11 (6)	xwing (207), Dannflor (214), Draco Lucky (236), PenguinPower (248), BBMolla (258), Dr Worm (281)
Micc (1)	Creature (143)
Dannflor (1)	Vedith (211)
BBMolla (1)	Micc (134)
Not Voting (2)	0verki11, DoubtingThomas

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. 0verki11 has been lynched.

Votecount 3.Final

Target	Wagon
JunkoChan (4)	BBMolla (806), Dr Worm (817), Dannflor (854), PenguinPower (931)
Dr Worm (1)	JunkoChan (813)
BBMolla (1)	xwing (847)
Not Voting (1)	Draco Lucky

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. JunkoChan has been lynched.

Mod Notes:

xwing is V/LA on weekends.

There are only two people alive that WEREN'T on both scum wagons: xwing and Draco

Out of BBMolla, Dr Worm, and me, you were probably the most widely town read of us? I mean, your slot is susceptible to policy lynches, but I think this player list is good enough to avoid that. I think there was enough suspicion directed towards me and BB that that's a very viable strategy you guys could have gone for, whether you planned the bus or not.

[Dannflor]

ANYBIDY who VOTES DR WORM plaese ALSO ADD WHO you want VENGECOPED by WORM!!

This might actually be a bad idea?

If you're town, tomorrow is lylo. If you manage to hit someone scum doesn't suspect we have a free IC in lylo, which makes the game dramatically easier. If we telegraph who the potential investigation is, and are wrong both in the lynch and the investigation, we enter lylo with three unknown players.

I haven't done the actual math on this but I feel like it would be better for you to pick between two choices 50/50 and try to hit whoever has suspicion and scum would be unlikely to NK, maybe like between me and xwing? I don't wanna give away an IC in lylo if we can't help it

Then again, I doubt it matters because I'm thinking you just said this for town cred without thinking it through and are scum

[Dannflor]

I have a whole bunch of stuff on Dann I can post if you wish, but I keep gyrating on my read. There's some heavy town-Dann stuff in there in Dann -> Micc interactions but some heavy scum Dann stuff from Micc-> Dann interactions. Since we know Micc is scum I am giving dann the BotD and willing to defer to U2 on Dr. Worm and assume Micc was trying to set up a Dann ML later on.

Hey Slaxx

Is there stuff you don't like from me in my posts alone or is it all in the interactions? If the former, I'd wanna engage with you on it before the day ends because I feel like it's fairly important to get out there if somehow we're wrong on Dr Worm

I'll vote next time I get online and am able to see answers/responses to things

[Draco Lucky]

Nah, it’s all interactions. And almost everything is the way Micc acted towards you.

The fact you came in here today and shrunk your lynchpool is making me think I’m right (or rather U2 is right- he realized it first) on Worm. I agree that the vengecop thing is LAMIST. The double bus line also felt very contrived, like he had that ready to go if he came under fire.

I also don’t think we should direct the vengecop. I’m fine with just leaving BBMolla out of the pool but not saying anymore than that. The smaller we shrink the pool the higher the odds get scum hits the IC tomorrow, provided we get the lynch and investigation wrong.

[Draco Lucky]

But let’s talk about it homies, where do you all stand and why

yes please let's talk wru

Thoughts on the dr

vinnie boombatz

worm?

-U2

[xwing]

i voted bb over worm because i had worm with a weeeeee bit more town points than bb..

What are your town points for Worm?

his early post, where he seemed angry that we unvoted bb..motivation seemed townie..
also his reaction test for OK hammer seemed townie..
lastly, he's giving out reads, although on second look there's not much elaboration as to how or why he came up with his reads (though the same could be said of bb too..)

[Dannflor]

VOTE: Worm

[BBmolla]

But let’s talk about it homies, where do you all stand and why

yes please let's talk wru

Thoughts on the dr

vinnie boombatz

worm?

-U2

I hate his “oh wow I though x was town but now I don’t know!” posts about like every player

Definitely not opposed to his lynch

[Draco Lucky]

@bbmolla glad to hear it.


Let's gooooooooooooooooooooooooo

-U2

[xwing]

you guys wanna talk more for this day phase?
intent to hammer..

[Dr Worm]

DON"T DO IT XWANG!!

AT LEAST WAIT LONGEEERRRR PLEASE!!

[Dr Worm]

WHY YOU THIKN NO COUNTERWAGON??

[xwing]

why should there be a counterwagon?

[Dr Worm]

IF DR WORM SCUM WHY NO CONTERWAGON??

[Dr Worm]

IT"S OK!! WORM REEDY TO DIE!! JUST WAIT LONGER PLEASE!!