Mini Normal 2071 (Game Over!)

[Detective Pikachu]

if you get shot could that interfere with the result on inferno?

really depends on the number of deaths

[skitter30]

let's do ausuka!

[skitter30]

if you get shot could that interfere with the result on inferno?

really depends on the number of deaths

if he's the only death what does that imply?

[skitter30]

@urap i'd vote egix too i think

[Detective Pikachu]

if you get shot could that interfere with the result on inferno?

really depends on the number of deaths

if he's the only death what does that imply?

if he's weak and he's the only death that implies there is doubt on the result:
a) chance scum killed him to prevent further results (the death is not scum indicative)
b) chance scum shot somewhere else and there was a protective action (the death is scum indicative and our doubt is incorrect)

given my slot is still alive, scum are obviously worried about a town doctor. but they might gamble on killing me tonight, in which case if I live we risk having to out the doctor tomorrow to understand the validity of garmr's death. this is something we probably don't want to discuss today but may have to discuss tomorrow.

obviously no protective claims today

I don't think scum no kill over killing garmr

also c) chance garmr is scum and is trying to control lynch pool, although at the moment I don't know why he'd do that when I wasn't saying I was going to lead a lynch on bob today so his play would be kinda ???, would have to be a desire to set things up for the next dayphase or drop a large wave of wifom on the game as a scum strategy. idk I'll have to think of whether garmr would make a play like that when it opens him up to the risk of being rolecopped if he doesn't know town power structure

[u r a person 2]

Ok well let's not lynch Garmr or bob today. Garmr's play has kinda bothered me but not so much that I can be sure it wasn't from being a PR.

Am I failing as IC if I say I want today's lynch to be between skitter, ausuka, and egix? Statistically even if my reads are awful there should be one scum in there right?

I guess I'm still just feeling pretty low confidence on my reads overall and I don't want to push the town in a bad direction just because I haven't processed all the evidence well enough yet

VOTE: egix
@skitter cool cuz i'd pref it

[Garmr]

if you get shot could that interfere with the result on inferno?

Not that I know of. A weak hider dodges bullets and can't be roleblocked.

[Detective Pikachu]

garmr I don't really want to leash you but you're pretty set on inferno? I personally would have said to do your thing on skitter, as an inno there would have been extremely useful to me. but idk, I kinda don't like telling prs how to play

[Detective Pikachu]

is it mechanically correct for me to ask that no protectives be on me tonight? I do think IC death + weak death --> guilty is better than IC alive + weak death + lots of wifom on weak result

I'm not sure this is correct but the thought occurs to me that theoretically the protective should be on garmr?

[skitter30]

if you get shot could that interfere with the result on inferno?

Not that I know of. A weak hider dodges bullets and can't be roleblocked.

i always forget how weak hiders work - if you get shot you don't die, right?

i'm pretty confident that inferno is town actually

@pikachu i don't really care if garmr does it on me

[skitter30]

garmr sorry, you're claiming weak hider?

[Garmr]

if you get shot could that interfere with the result on inferno?

Not that I know of. A weak hider dodges bullets and can't be roleblocked.

i always forget how weak hiders work - if you get shot you don't die, right?

i'm pretty confident that inferno is town actually

@pikachu i don't really care if garmr does it on me

No you get lynched and inferno gets it. Even if you survive inferno gets it.

[skitter30]

can we go back to what a weak hider is

[Detective Pikachu]

Technically he only needs to clarify if he's a hider or not to sort out directing theoretical protectives, beyond that all we need to know is that he's weak.

[Detective Pikachu]

We can further discuss the necessity of a full claim tomorrow in the scenario where he's still alive

[skitter30]

well it's more that i don't understand the wiki page on hiders so i'm trying to figure out what it does

[Garmr]

can we go back to what a weak hider is

A Weak Hider has two options:

1) Hide behind the least likely town kill, becoming unkillable for that night and confirming that person as town.*

2) Hide behind the player most likely to be scum: and make no secret that if you end up dead, that is what likely happened during the night phase. This can effectively be a guilty on a player.

Option 1 is in my opinion the best option.

I mean I made it clear I known bob is town and being trying to make it obvious since the start of day 2.

Bob is town.

Bob is town.

I was super duper ready to vote him, too.
Dang.

It's ok you have me to set you straight.

Looks at the bob votes then looks at the rui wagon yesterday.

[skitter30]

ok
and that's considered 'normal'? (normal in the sense that we're playing in the normal queue? that's why the wiki page is confusing me)

[Detective Pikachu]

But did you crumb on day 1 that you were hiding behind bob?

[skitter30]

i'm not really doubint the claim; i'm more just confused because i thought this variant wasn't considered 'normal' and that the other variant was 'normal'

[Detective Pikachu]

Both the weak modifier and the hider role are considered normal on ms.

It's basically an investigative role that is meant to prevent a full mechanical solve by ensuring that the investigative cannot guilty the entire scum team.

But scum hider/scum visitor can also claim weak hider if they are expecting a tracker/watcher.

[skitter30]

Hider: target a player. You will be protected from kills, but if that player dies, you will also die. This version is essentially the inverse of babysitter, and is what will be considered the normal version of hider. if you want the most common variant of hider, use a weak hider. The variant which causes the hider to be targeted by all abilities that target the person they hide behind, and other variants, are not normal.

ok no longer confused, sorry

[Detective Pikachu]

Technically you can have weak anything, you could be a weak vigilante or a weak doctor.

Now, there is a question as to whether a weak hider is 'a lot of power' in addition to an IC, but I don't want to get into a discussion of setup balance with the amount of time in this dayphase left.

[skitter30]

But scum hider/scum visitor can also claim weak hider if they are expecting a tracker/watcher.

i don't think this is a thing really

[Detective Pikachu]

I think my biggest problem with Garmr's claim is the lack of crumbs that he had chosen to hide behind bob on day 1.