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Post Post #357 (isolation #0) » Sun May 19, 2019 11:43 am

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Post Post #358 (isolation #1) » Sun May 19, 2019 12:10 pm

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In post 332, Morality wrote:
Prodding High Risk Gamble one last time tonight. If they don’t respond, I’ll find a reliable replacement.
heheheh reliable
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Post Post #359 (isolation #2) » Sun May 19, 2019 12:18 pm

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Chara is town, stk is town
Nips makes me want to throw up
I think TLK is town

Chito I don't townread and vehemently disagree with Chara's reason for townreading there, like other than balking at a mechsolve I don't see why they're town :U

PP hasn't towntold yet but looking promisingish

Insomnia/Baezu I have no feelings about
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Post Post #360 (isolation #3) » Sun May 19, 2019 12:20 pm

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hey I think vetoes are more likely to fly on the first attempt if there are scum in the team (+distancing -solving) -- I always argue in vanilla resistance that scum should always pass the first mission because of the tight noose of POE.

it's a bit different here but if I had that vote changing power thingy I'd fire it on the first attempt.
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Post Post #361 (isolation #4) » Sun May 19, 2019 12:28 pm

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Also let's make this game 10000 pages!! Get hype everyone!
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Post Post #362 (isolation #5) » Sun May 19, 2019 12:29 pm

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Maybe I should be townreading insomnia and not townreading Chara actually :U

I don't think failure on the first mission is necessarily AI is all
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Post Post #366 (isolation #6) » Sun May 19, 2019 1:25 pm

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yas I'm not rly convinced there were no scum on the first mission either but at least I'm obvtown for leaping in with a twtbaw wifom karate chop right?

basically I don't think first mission failure should rly be AI

we'll have more mechanical info wrt passes/fails/vetos later but I feel better about my veto distancing read
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Post Post #368 (isolation #7) » Sun May 19, 2019 1:31 pm

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Yay you might have accidentally pocketed me or #birdsquad gonna kick some ass

ok I liked his attempt at a mechbreak then sudden realisation the whole idea was awful, it felt like he was working through it in realtime and it didn't feel restrained or agendaey which is slightly +town

I also liked his "why are you suggesting a team I suggested if you don't trust me" thing but I can't remember who he was talking to and also didn't think the recipient was particularly scummy

he has a kind of half solvey half sassy energy which has given me happy vibes
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Post Post #371 (isolation #8) » Sun May 19, 2019 1:42 pm

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That's a decent take - I did a pretty rushed read through on the bus and he pinged me as town but I haven't sat down and parses it critically. Do you think he's exhibited scummy characteristics or just think my read is premature?
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Post Post #373 (isolation #9) » Sun May 19, 2019 1:49 pm

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I don't really see a reason to townread him but I'll take that my read lacks literally any critical thinking because it does!

Where are you at on chara?
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Post Post #374 (isolation #10) » Sun May 19, 2019 1:50 pm

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It was my first gut townread but the more I think about the read the less ~present~ Chara feels

It can post well as either alignment but rlyrlyrlygoodposts as town
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Post Post #377 (isolation #11) » Sun May 19, 2019 2:01 pm

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I need to go and watch Game of Thrones out of the corner of my eye at my desk :shifty:

If you're around in a couple of hours I wanna keep going.
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Post Post #389 (isolation #12) » Sun May 19, 2019 3:27 pm

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In post 381, The Last Knight wrote:I mean, it was pro town. He's a mechanical player and worked hard on a mechanical play. He said he wasn't going to push it but someone asked to see it. He then posted it in a spoiler tag to appeal all parties. Anyone who didn't want to see it, could have moved along. I don't think that is scummy at all.

You are twisting the story to make it like he purposely posted something despite people telling him not to, but that omitted information completely changes what happened. Especially when explaining this to someone who just switched in, that's super scummy.
Can you show me which of PP's posts you found excessively loaded/agenda-driving?
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Post Post #391 (isolation #13) » Sun May 19, 2019 4:00 pm

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Sorry I particularly meant regarding STK
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Post Post #392 (isolation #14) » Sun May 19, 2019 4:01 pm

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Like presumably you found the way PP questioned my stk read agendaey?
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Post Post #394 (isolation #15) » Sun May 19, 2019 4:13 pm

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How so?
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Post Post #396 (isolation #16) » Sun May 19, 2019 4:25 pm

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Interesting. I thought his read was a level or two deeper and more nuanced than mine was -- actually I appreciate him speaking up to parse my strong townreads in order to sort me. I might need some thoughts from some other TRs but I felt more challenged than manipulated by PP.
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Post Post #399 (isolation #17) » Sun May 19, 2019 6:31 pm

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Nothing for me insomnia? :( nothing at all?
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Post Post #402 (isolation #18) » Sun May 19, 2019 7:15 pm

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I'm for the approach so far but: PP, how do you feel about TLK's reaction to our conversation on the last page?
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Post Post #410 (isolation #19) » Sun May 19, 2019 7:40 pm

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In post 408, Chito and Yuuri wrote:
In post 359, the worst wrote:Chara is town, stk is town
Nips makes me want to throw up
I think TLK is town

Chito I don't townread and vehemently disagree with Chara's reason for townreading there, like other than balking at a mechsolve I don't see why they're town :U

PP hasn't towntold yet but looking promisingish

Insomnia/Baezu I have no feelings about
First -- hi duck!

Second -- are you scum? This paranoia push from you seems off and having no feelings about insomnia seems like a bad idea right now
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Catch up and try again. I'm not engaging with you while you're catching up and asking me such cringey questions.
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Post Post #412 (isolation #20) » Sun May 19, 2019 7:43 pm

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Isn't there a scum motivated ability to change a single player's vote? People were talking about it.
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Post Post #413 (isolation #21) » Sun May 19, 2019 7:43 pm

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In post 408, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Second -- are you scum? This paranoia push from you seems off and having no feelings about insomnia seems like a bad idea right now
Talk to me about why you consider this scum motivated.
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Post Post #418 (isolation #22) » Sun May 19, 2019 7:50 pm

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Gotchaaaa, thanks. I skimmed the setup. :)
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Post Post #420 (isolation #23) » Sun May 19, 2019 7:52 pm

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In post 417, Chito and Yuuri wrote:
In post 413, the worst wrote:Talk to me about why you consider this scum motivated.
So far we have both pushed heavy paranoia in the early game when we've been scum against each other and so this looks very similar to your play in Undertale so far
How does it look similar to my play in Undertale? Please describe which bits you think are alignment indicative/scum motivated, not just my playstyle. I'm pretty short on patience for bad meta reads so I'd like to get through this as quickly as we can.

I also don't know who you are so I'm not exactly sure how to approach your experience with me but let's roll
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Post Post #421 (isolation #24) » Sun May 19, 2019 7:53 pm

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In post 419, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Fuck I miss Yuuri, I wish she would not have siteflaked, I really did not plan to play this game solo, I can't deal with this level of bad

Whatever, let's just veto this so we can get to a team that isn't gamethrowing
Hey. Turn that frown upside down.
If you're town convince me and let's kill some scums. :)
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Post Post #423 (isolation #25) » Sun May 19, 2019 7:56 pm

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I'd sssaaayyy they're more focused on their shtick than playing seriously but I need to try and interact with them before I'm confident
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Post Post #426 (isolation #26) » Sun May 19, 2019 8:01 pm

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In post 424, Chito and Yuuri wrote:
In post 420, the worst wrote:I also don't know who you are so I'm not exactly sure how to approach your experience with me but let's roll
hmmm. really? I thought you read anime upick?

if this is true then it does mess up my sense of you pushing paranoia on me in your opening.

let me think on whether I buy this or not.
I read like 20% of the thread while Alisae posted memes, realised I didn't want to be there and apologised to em wholeheartedly for not doing anything useful

I then ignored the rest of the game except for ISOing the mod to have a look at some flips lategame.

Sorry. I legitimately have no idea who you are or what you did there.
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Post Post #428 (isolation #27) » Sun May 19, 2019 8:04 pm

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Unless I get a strong ping I usually just don't bother IDing alts, it's more fun pretending you're different people anyway

But you brought up a gamestate ping from Undertale which is **something** we can talk about so even if you're feeling funny about it wanna share?

If not that's fine
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Post Post #429 (isolation #28) » Sun May 19, 2019 8:05 pm

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Oh I just zoomed in on your avatar. Are you Krazzy?
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Post Post #432 (isolation #29) » Sun May 19, 2019 8:10 pm

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I don't know who that character is I just had you as "person with black hair and hat" and didn't realise that was who was bashing the other person up in your chito+yuuri avi :lol:

ok what pinged you about my paranoia approach here? For sake of conversing about something let's pretend I'm playing
scumlord 3d chess and I knew you were krazzy all along muahahaha
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Post Post #435 (isolation #30) » Sun May 19, 2019 8:17 pm

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I mean I rushed my catch-up because I hate catch-ups so consider c, I was being the worst in a less ironic fashion.

Also being careful around sorting you guys in Undertale was exactly because I had no option but to keep you positioned with anxiety until one of you exhibited a towntell; in bop2 I loltownread Ank at sod1 to break out of rvs as scum and I was wary that she would be iffy about me approaching your slot with much other than carefulness. Now that I've nulled that tell a little my approach next time will be rand. :twisted:

But, as much as I love you, I was more focused on throwing Ank off the scent than throwing you off the scent. Taly, too. If you throw back to SUPP2017M I prefer a lategame pocket when it comes to you. :D

Incidentally I *am* town here. Removing meta from the equation, could you reread my comment about Chara's read on you and tell me what you think?
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Post Post #437 (isolation #31) » Sun May 19, 2019 8:17 pm

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In post 434, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Wait you replaced Gamble slot

shit are you scum? duck why are you always opposed to me :(
ngl I didn't read a word before I repped in and I was so ready for a scumslot and all of my pred's posts suck so even I'm still a little shocked I rolled town here
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Post Post #438 (isolation #32) » Sun May 19, 2019 8:18 pm

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Equity nah
Badposting yes
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Post Post #440 (isolation #33) » Sun May 19, 2019 8:20 pm

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I'm pretty sure by the end I had strongarmed you into uncertainty on my scum status and also absolute belief that scum!me wouldn't defend my scumbuddy so hard :lol:
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Post Post #441 (isolation #34) » Sun May 19, 2019 8:21 pm

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basically I remember my buddy NKing you against my advice to resolve our 1v1 then Punreader absolutely shredding us and in the dead chat we had a jolly old time and realised we are soulmates.
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Post Post #443 (isolation #35) » Sun May 19, 2019 8:24 pm

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at least someone townreads me irl

can I have some reeval on my entrance now you know I wasn't positioning you?
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Post Post #444 (isolation #36) » Sun May 19, 2019 8:25 pm

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if you're still feeling sad please listen to this.
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Post Post #447 (isolation #37) » Sun May 19, 2019 8:37 pm

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In post 445, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Yeah, now my concerns are more with you having HRG's slot which was not very townie.

What an apt song! This was the first night I had a beer in two weeks.
Can I get that cheeky reeval?
My townrange is a tonne wider than my scumrange. I don't think it will take you long to get me right, and this stuff helps me get you right.
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Post Post #449 (isolation #38) » Sun May 19, 2019 9:21 pm

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Baked Nips I assumed
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Post Post #456 (isolation #39) » Mon May 20, 2019 12:36 am

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yea chito locktown and I feel mildly warm about tlk but need to resume realtimes

I have some hotter takes but I want to finish my ~methods~ first.
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Post Post #457 (isolation #40) » Mon May 20, 2019 12:38 am

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Don't worry Baezu I'm town <3
how do you feel about insomnia?
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Post Post #458 (isolation #41) » Mon May 20, 2019 12:39 am

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In post 173, singletonking wrote:VOTE: singletonking
VOTE: Chara
VOTE: The Last Knight
crazy thought what if this mission has to wolves in it
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Post Post #459 (isolation #42) » Mon May 20, 2019 12:40 am

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In post 285, Morality wrote:VOTE: Chara
VOTE: Insomnia
VOTE: Chito and Yuuri



You may VOTE: Pass / VOTE: Veto to this mission.

When 5 people vote one way or another, the phase will be over.





Pass [4]:
Chara, Insomnia, The Last knight, Baked Nips

Veto [0]:


Not Voting [5]:
Singletonking, Chito and Yuuri, High Risk Gamble, Baezu


Prodded Baezu and High Risk Gamble.
If it does Chara is almost certainly our scumfuck btw
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Post Post #460 (isolation #43) » Mon May 20, 2019 12:41 am

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Either way if we form an insomnia/Chara dichotomy by virtue of Krazzy being town I definitely think chara is our wolf.
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Post Post #461 (isolation #44) » Mon May 20, 2019 12:44 am

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ftr my initial reads vs. ISOs soft flipped insomnia and chara
I remember insomnia not being all that focused and chara being very present but I think I was more focused on chara's posts bc it is very very good town and I don't know insomnia very well (sorry insomnia)

I also had this weird feeling the technicality of the game was very unnderadvanced given that we'd already had a veto and a pass

Flicking through ISOs I think I'm comfortable saying Chara is only obvtown in the underadvanced gamestate I was seeing. Being more in sync atm I do not think it has brought the fecority of its towngame and doubt it would disagree with me. On the flipside I think insomnia's posting has been reasonably town indicative at rand allowing for the fact I have no meta

shame they're probably our dichotomy because I'm flip flopping on them hard but there you gooo
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Post Post #462 (isolation #45) » Mon May 20, 2019 12:48 am

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{tw}
{chito}
{insomnia}
{penguin, baezu, tlk}

leaving
Baked Nips
Chara
Singletonking

strength of townreads ig I still have work to do
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Post Post #463 (isolation #46) » Mon May 20, 2019 12:48 am

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happy scumday baezu
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Post Post #464 (isolation #47) » Mon May 20, 2019 12:51 am

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yeet I have a hot take
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Post Post #468 (isolation #48) » Mon May 20, 2019 2:32 am

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If he's scum and statistically understands that 2/3 of his submissions were on the last mission (including presumably a scumbuddy he is aware of) do you think he'd not be more hesitant about resubbing that teammate?
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Post Post #469 (isolation #49) » Mon May 20, 2019 2:35 am

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4p towncore wins the game we just need a solid ass towncore
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Post Post #470 (isolation #50) » Mon May 20, 2019 2:36 am

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Reading the ~tone~ I also think you're all uncomfortable with my slot which means this is hardmode

I need four real strong townreads and so far I have
two
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Post Post #471 (isolation #51) » Mon May 20, 2019 2:37 am

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In post 310, Morality wrote:The First Task Force Mission:

Chara
Insomnia
Chito and Yuuri

First Task Force Mission
Succeed
First Task Force Mission
Fail
First Task Force Mission
Succeed


*Order of Success/Fails posted is randomized.


Completed Mission Tracker

First Task Force Mission
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fwiw I'd say exactly one of chara or insomnia is a wolf unless they signalled. Which is shall go check. :cool:
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Post Post #472 (isolation #52) » Mon May 20, 2019 2:40 am

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In post 239, singletonking wrote:
In post 237, insomnia wrote:VOTE: Chara
VOTE: Insomnia
VOTE: Chito and Yuuri
It feels... really weird that you used a team immediately after I suggested it, especially considering that you don't trust me.
Doesn't feel aligned :U
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Post Post #473 (isolation #53) » Mon May 20, 2019 2:42 am

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In post 471, the worst wrote:
In post 310, Morality wrote:The First Task Force Mission:

Chara
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Chito and Yuuri

First Task Force Mission
Succeed
First Task Force Mission
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First Task Force Mission
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*Order of Success/Fails posted is randomized.


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fwiw I'd say exactly one of chara or insomnia is a wolf unless they signalled. Which is shall go check. :cool:
I don't see a signal.
I'd actually softclear the other two participants if we can agree on a scumread on this mission.
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Post Post #474 (isolation #54) » Mon May 20, 2019 2:49 am

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I'll never forget this crumb from camn to partner-nancy to sabotage in alphabetical order when they were both on a one-sab mission. camn hard lolcatted lategame and we accidentally wrote nancy off as town because of the single sab

so please make sure I'm not falling into a hole here.

but unless there was communication in {chito, chara, insomnia} that bracket contains exactly 1 wolf. also I don't think it's chito anymore.
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Post Post #479 (isolation #55) » Mon May 20, 2019 3:43 am

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Insomnia sell me on scum!Baezu? Or just show me what you're seeing as scum there?
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Post Post #480 (isolation #56) » Mon May 20, 2019 3:45 am

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In post 475, insomnia wrote:
In post 465, Baezu wrote:
In post 457, the worst wrote:Don't worry Baezu I'm town <3
how do you feel about insomnia?
Like I said, he either doesn’t understand what having 2 out of the 3 people from the failed M1 means probabilisticly or he’s scum.

Leaning towards the latter
You weak wolves are failing to understand that if I’m villager, I’m only pushing one potential scum in the mission. But when you are informed minority, it’s quite hard to understand uninformed majority simple thought process.
In this case why not leave yourself in and omit Chara? I think that's a more fair question.

There might be a temptation to form a faux guilty by having a slot knock missions back b2b with you but you currently have a dichotomy of {Chito, Chara} which fypov absolutely must contain scum if you're town.

Why not solve that? => why suggest a team with yourself + one player with a 50% chance of being scum + another player at rand?
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Post Post #486 (isolation #57) » Mon May 20, 2019 4:05 am

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In post 482, Chara wrote:
In post 470, the worst wrote:Reading the ~tone~ I also think you're all uncomfortable with my slot which means this is hardmode

I need four real strong townreads and so far I have
two
i'm even more uncomfortable with how you've attempted to make the scumread on me seem like a very advanced thought, while the read itself boils down to "Chara hasn't brought its town ferocity, it only seems like it has". i want to know what you mean by this and what you know about my scumgame in more detail.

but what really bothers me is you managed that entire catchup without giving any indication you wanted to interact with me. maybe the scumread was that attempt, but given all you've done is apply meta very vaguely that my game right now isn't good enough to be my towngame, there isn't much discussion to be had.
you mentioned that i would agree with you on this point, actually. why is that?

also, why do you think Chito is town now?
Did you need me to signal that I want to interact with you? :c I thought that was a given. I absolutely love interacting with you.

My understanding of your scumgame is *mostly* from your hydra marathon with Almost50. Your earlier posting was sound and critical and looked towny enough but had a missing depth which is discernibly different from your towngame. Do you think that assessment is unfair?

(Also sorry because I think I've done this to you at least once before) If I should have a better read than this could you show me where you think you've towntold outside your scum range? I'd he interested to see it.

I'm not dressing my read on you up as anything more than it is. You know the way I sort - my reads are in perpetual flux when I'm town. :lol:
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Post Post #488 (isolation #58) » Mon May 20, 2019 4:09 am

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In post 485, insomnia wrote:You kind of answered the question yourself, what else is there you want me to answer on this? Doesn't the fact that I am pushing one player who was on the mission imply I have decided they're the other town on the mission?

If scum failed the first mission (which is a dumb move btw) then I'll take on their mistake. I'll transform our loss into success. There's no reason for me not to solve the dichotomy and go for another completely new variable that I have no information on. I'm picking a team BASED on information from the first mission. You trying to make me search where I don't have clues is iffy.
If you force this mechanical guilty please acknowledge that to the rest of us, that remains a mechanical DICHOTOMY between you and the player you have soft guiltied. Not a guilty. We would then need a lot of townies to correctly read you to even make use of your information, and you roll the dice on two failed missions.

Baezu suggesting that there may be scum motivation here is entirely valid. I don't necessarily think you're scum at the moment, but I think you should take another look at her points because I think she's been very critical.

If you think I'm not giving your plan enough credit, just fill me in (to be transparent, that's what I was asking for when I asked my last question :D)
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Post Post #489 (isolation #59) » Mon May 20, 2019 4:09 am

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In post 487, Chara wrote:i should stop skimming catchups, starting with not missing the entirety of page 17.
and knowing Chito is Krazy is something. it also explains the worst's townread that formed there with this entire interaction i didn't read.
Yeah sorry. I forgot to answer that.
Krazzy + our conversation.
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Post Post #490 (isolation #60) » Mon May 20, 2019 4:12 am

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If Chito is scum he's the most exposed scum prospect on that wagon, I think. He would then have had to respond to me (who loves him to bits) replacing in, starting off with him as a scumread, and deciding to balk at my decision to try to position him for a mislynch and accuse me of being scum based on a meta informed decision based on meta I wasn't informed on.

It's loosely possible this would occur to scum!Krazzy but I'm letting myself townread him on a couple of other weaker meta points. His enthusiasm and tone here are town indicative. I think he's been frustrated by things which I would expect him to be frustrated at as town, before scum.
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Post Post #491 (isolation #61) » Mon May 20, 2019 4:14 am

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It's not quite a halo above his head, but I think it's a sound start. :) Plus talking to him felt like talking to someone very real. It's a bit like the energy I was just starting to get from PP when we were exchanging posts. I don't think we got far enough for me to have a confident read on PP yet but I doooo think he approached my sub with a kind of enthusiasm which takes some energy to fake.

But hence why he's nullishtown :3
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Post Post #493 (isolation #62) » Mon May 20, 2019 4:19 am

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I think the strength you're reading into it may be augmented by the suddenness of it maybe? I did go from "yea chara is town" to "AHH I REREAD AND NOEP" at like 100 miles a second so I may have given you a bit of whiplash. :oops:

I agree that you're hard to activity tell, but I do think you often towntell via ~presence~. If that makes sense. :P
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Post Post #495 (isolation #63) » Mon May 20, 2019 4:21 am

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Did you have much takeaway from my posts other than my kinda wonky approach to reading you?
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Post Post #496 (isolation #64) » Mon May 20, 2019 4:22 am

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Oops sorry if I'm interrupting your method. We can interact later if that's easier.
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Post Post #499 (isolation #65) » Mon May 20, 2019 4:29 am

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yay I fixed my slot!
ok let's both do awesome things then reconvene and we can read each other totally comfortably.

VOTE: veto I'm fine with this
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Post Post #502 (isolation #66) » Mon May 20, 2019 4:35 am

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> shifty slot
> undisclosed strategy
> "trust me on this, I know the game."

ok sweaty...
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Post Post #510 (isolation #67) » Mon May 20, 2019 4:38 am

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In post 503, Baked Nips wrote:
In post 423, the worst wrote:I'd sssaaayyy they're more focused on their shtick than playing seriously but I need to try and interact with them before I'm confident
What gimmick??
I said shtick not gimmick :( you seemed very focused on posting for comedy earlier and it was very hard to tell what you were really thinking. Anyway if you think we should be accepting your strategy I'd suggest selling us on it asap.

pedit: no worries stk, I kinda need my replace-in flurry to get a good sense for the game but I'll slow down a little after this. still think the game needed its pace turned up a little from prior to my rep in.
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Post Post #517 (isolation #68) » Mon May 20, 2019 4:42 am

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BNS = baked nips
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Post Post #523 (isolation #69) » Mon May 20, 2019 4:43 am

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a shtick is a characteristic kind of gimmick fam
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Post Post #525 (isolation #70) » Mon May 20, 2019 4:43 am

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In post 521, singletonking wrote:
In post 1, Morality wrote:Team Kira has their own private thread that they can speak to at all points during the game. The Shinigami does not have private thread access.
Actually I can explain my TW read now

TW was signal hunting, something inapplicable in this game because of this.
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Post Post #528 (isolation #71) » Mon May 20, 2019 4:45 am

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Eventually I hit a point where I thought I was so old and jaded in mafia that any slips I made would be intentional to look town. Then I forget that I'm blonde irl and do
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Post Post #530 (isolation #72) » Mon May 20, 2019 4:48 am

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In post 529, Baked Nips wrote:
In post 523, the worst wrote:a shtick is a characteristic kind of gimmick fam
When you google shtick, the first two words in the definition are “a” and “gimmick” brooooo
read the rest of the definition duuuuude
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Post Post #531 (isolation #73) » Mon May 20, 2019 4:49 am

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I need to go sleep

@PP only, no one else read
Spoiler:
did you like the series finale?
also are you town?
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Post Post #535 (isolation #74) » Mon May 20, 2019 4:53 am

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In post 532, insomnia wrote:Town should seriously analyse how the team was formed and who advocated for it, interactions and determine who the scum was on the mission because that's information. Solid. Information.
Yes.. But after two vetoes and one pass I'm not sure this really stacks up..? Your slot is under pressure. If you're town could you please try this in practice rather than blasting us with theory?
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Post Post #536 (isolation #75) » Mon May 20, 2019 4:55 am

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In post 533, PenguinPower wrote:
Spoiler: Ducks Only
I was disappointed by the finale. King Bran :roll:

Yes
Spoiler: still penguins only
that's a shame :( I liked it but as soon as I saw that scene I knew my opinion would be controversial again... interesting choice for sure.

you put it in green which is not a creative colour. therefore I suspect it's true.

I will get back to you on this.
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Post Post #546 (isolation #76) » Mon May 20, 2019 10:33 am

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For the auto, I'm preeeeetty sure Baezu is town.
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Post Post #549 (isolation #77) » Mon May 20, 2019 5:52 pm

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In post 548, singletonking wrote:
In post 414, Chito and Yuuri wrote:
In post 387, Baked Nips wrote:Uhh I believe we are proposing proposing it. Not proposing to propose. That’s a waste of time.

We would like to see
TLK
Insomnia
Chara
BNS
OK so why the fuck are you proposing a team that is guaranteed to have scum on it?

VOTE: VETO

Why did no one shut this down earlier? So bad
So this is guaranteed to contain scum from Chito's perspective, but not from a spectator's perspective
Even so from a spec pov that has a 2/3 chance of containing the scum from the previous mission. If you allow that Chito is playing his towngame: is has a >2/3 chance of containing the scum from the previous mission

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Post Post #554 (isolation #78) » Mon May 20, 2019 5:56 pm

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In post 552, singletonking wrote:Uh TW, Chito locktown? Why?
catch up and LMK if you don't see it
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Post Post #555 (isolation #79) » Mon May 20, 2019 5:57 pm

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stk sorry but would you mind catching up a little before throwing me questions? like my answer to why chito is town is already itt and my answer to your other question is "it crossed my mind" :(
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Post Post #560 (isolation #80) » Mon May 20, 2019 6:13 pm

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yeeaaa
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Post Post #562 (isolation #81) » Mon May 20, 2019 6:17 pm

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I've played a bit with him, couple of lengthy games and a few marathons. :)
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Post Post #577 (isolation #82) » Tue May 21, 2019 10:36 am

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In post 563, singletonking wrote:While you have done nothing townie as far as I can remember, I am actually gut town on you simply because I am very paranoid of my own reads.
I actually think there are some very tangible ways to read PP at this point in the game - could you talk me through a bit more of your reasoning?
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Post Post #579 (isolation #83) » Tue May 21, 2019 10:37 am

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I've spoken a little about it and mistrust STK's read on him so I'd prefer to go second if I may :)
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Post Post #580 (isolation #84) » Tue May 21, 2019 10:38 am

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tw/baezu/chito/tlk is a good team.
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Post Post #581 (isolation #85) » Tue May 21, 2019 10:40 am

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I'd actually be more interested in someone trying to scumcase Baezu tbh. when you treat her earlier absence as nai (it was) I think her posting has been pretty clearly towny?
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Post Post #584 (isolation #86) » Tue May 21, 2019 10:45 am

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awh alright because I like the sound of my own voice~~
I think PP engaging me on sub and helping me calibrate my reads better is net +town

that being said it's also kind of a "not scum with STK" read bc his stance on stk is either a decent false case or a very good pickup. I think it's a little surprising stk if town would have read that convo between PP and I, seen himself misrepped, and just kept on his jolly way.

having said all this PP hit me at an optimal point to pocket me (wolfy slot, but I'm capable of being super obvtown :cool:) so it's a townlean with reservation.
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Post Post #585 (isolation #87) » Tue May 21, 2019 10:45 am

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In post 583, Baezu wrote:Tw, is it true what someone was saying about a role being able to switch a pass for a fail which would make us lose?
I'm the wrong player to ask mech questions ;^; brb
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Post Post #586 (isolation #88) » Tue May 21, 2019 10:47 am

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In post 2, Morality wrote:SHINIGAMI


• You are separate from the Kira thread, you do not know them, but they know you. During either the Third or Fourth Task Force Mission Success/Fail phase, you may find out how many Succeed and Fails there are. Once per game, you may choose to switch a single one of them. You may do this by PM’ing the mod. You cannot change your own Success/Fail card.
• You will win if you complete one of the following:
- Kira is given a Death Note on the Fourth or Fifth Task Force Mission
- you successfully write L's name in the Death Note
- 3 Task Force Missions Failparate from the Kira thread, you do not know them, but they know you. During either the Third or Fourth Task Force Mission Success/Fail phase, you may find out how many Succeed and Fails there are. Once per game, you may choose to switch a single one of them. You may do this by PM’ing the mod. You cannot change your own Success/Fail card.• You will win if you complete one of the following: - Kira is given a Death Note on the Fourth or Fifth Task Force Mission- you successfully write L's name in the Death Note- 3 Task Force Missions Fail
This one yeeaaa

on reread he's not as informed as Rem which means he's not quite as deadly as I thought (insta-loss) but I guess scum could just claim on d3 and get him to use his ability on someone eouch

either way yeeeaaa we need an all town mission or we are in trouble
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Post Post #592 (isolation #89) » Tue May 21, 2019 10:51 am

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What's got you worried about Chito?
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Post Post #594 (isolation #90) » Tue May 21, 2019 10:52 am

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In post 590, Chara wrote:
In post 586, the worst wrote:on reread he's not as informed as Rem which means he's not quite as deadly as I thought (insta-loss) but I guess scum could just claim on d3 and get him to use his ability on someone eouch

either way yeeeaaa we need an all town mission or we are in trouble
on my meaning, Ryuk doesn't need to know who the scum are for this to work. he can see the submitted success/fail cards, and switch one. if they're all successes, he can still switch it to a fail and we lose.
ahhh of course
man that's a powerful rand
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Post Post #595 (isolation #91) » Tue May 21, 2019 10:53 am

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In post 593, Chara wrote:
In post 589, Baezu wrote:What makes you think Chito isn’t town?
because a 50% chance of being scum is too high, even if i scumread insomnia?
From the perspective of someone who knows 0 alignments on the failed mission this is tougher. :( sorry.

How are your reads weighted atm?
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Post Post #599 (isolation #92) » Tue May 21, 2019 10:56 am

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Still dangerous, but less so - if the holder is scumsiding we can just veto them. There is a town countering ability for that.
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In post 2, Morality wrote:TASK FORCE


• If Naomi Misora dies, you will also die. You will not be revealed.
• Once per game, you may choose the next player to become the Holder of the Death Note.
• You will win if you complete one of the following.
- Matsuda shoots Kira.
- 3 Task Force Missions Success and L's name is NOT written in the Death Note
• If Naomi Misora dies, you will also die. You will not be revealed. • Once per game, you may choose the next player to become the Holder of the Death Note. • You will win if you complete one of the following.- Matsuda shoots Kira.- 3 Task Force Missions Success and L's name is NOT written in the Death Note
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Post Post #603 (isolation #94) » Tue May 21, 2019 10:58 am

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Rem knows who the scumteam are and there's an identical town power. So there is no clear scum motivation in doing it (i.e. it could have been the town guy); it gives either scum a mission, or forces town to use a veto.
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Post Post #604 (isolation #95) » Tue May 21, 2019 11:00 am

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In post 569, Chara wrote:i want to take the worst, and i like singleton and TLK for town as well. that's four including me.
This was your mission proposal, I think. If achievable I'd like to avoid taking anyone from the first mission..if I did take someone, it'd have to be someone I townread (Chito alone atm)
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Post Post #612 (isolation #96) » Tue May 21, 2019 11:05 am

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In post 607, Chara wrote:
In post 604, the worst wrote:
In post 569, Chara wrote:i want to take the worst, and i like singleton and TLK for town as well. that's four including me.
This was your mission proposal, I think. If achievable I'd like to avoid taking anyone from the first mission..if I did take someone, it'd have to be someone I townread (Chito alone atm)
we can't avoid the first mission
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two players from the failed mission. there wouldn't be enough left without hitting an inevitably scum.

but i see your point. that's why i was trying to figure out who to trust from my gut proposal.

and i thought you townread Baezu?
I do townread Baezu. Sorry, did I explain something poorly?
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Post Post #615 (isolation #97) » Tue May 21, 2019 11:13 am

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TLK I think is pretty transparently towny. I get the impression scum might be his preferred alignment but I think he's playing earnestly and not opportunistically. He also hasn't used his towncred for evil which is comforting. :]

Chito (lol your ID is in the player list :<) feels pretty much like regular Krazzy. Possibility he picked frustration and shading me were the correct ways to pocket me in this list given our recent meta; I'd rather operate on the basis that he is town and let him prove me wrong if I'm wrong.

Baezu has been playing this with a pretty straight bat; her posts ring curious and solvey and I don't think she is pushing an agenda here. Her absence is net entirely NAI, and I suspect the fact she got some shade for not being around at all earlier is probably town indicative.

PenguinPower approached me and helped me calibrate reads on rep-in which is something I suspect is town motivated. It's possible he's just scum trying to pocket me at this point, and I haven't seen anything from him which breaks his scumrange yet. But net he's slightly more likely town than scum fmpov.

Baked Nips is rand.

Chara is another person I'm looking for some scumrange breaking content from. :c so far it doesn't feel like its as 'all in' as town!Chara usually does.

Insomnia I'm flip flopping on hard. I got very negative energy when he was briefly here in realtimes so I'm somewhat predisposed towards scumreading him rn. I'll fix this if he's town. :cool:

Singletonking picking up on my townslip was towny. His breaking strat attempt felt reasonably organic in reread. Kind of waiting for more from him.



It feels weird townreading everyone I have a reasonably strong read on :(
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Post Post #616 (isolation #98) » Tue May 21, 2019 11:14 am

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also my insomnia/Chara t/s read is obviously off the table. :facepalm:
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Post Post #620 (isolation #99) » Tue May 21, 2019 11:19 am

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They have daychat. Did you catch stk's pickup on my townslip?
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Post Post #622 (isolation #100) » Tue May 21, 2019 11:21 am

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In post 619, Chara wrote:
In post 615, the worst wrote:Chara is another person I'm looking for some scumrange breaking content from. :c so far it doesn't feel like its as 'all in' as town!Chara usually does.
half of me wants to prove you wrong, half of me is just tired of maintaining my townread-as-town record since it was broken recently.
are you sure you aren't selectively remembering very memorable moments of me as town and thinking that i have to uphold that at all times? that sounds so exhausting, there's no way i could.
I am to an extent! The shadow of scum!Chara loiters at the back of my memory...and while I don't necessarily expect you to come in like a hurricane, I don't think I've seen anything that makes me go "aww yes that's town!Chara", if that makes sense?

Telling you what I'm looking for would be highly counter productive but I don't expect you to live in the thread powertowning and break 1k posts or anything like that.
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Post Post #625 (isolation #101) » Tue May 21, 2019 11:34 am

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yeahp
just gonna send according to reads in that case

I'm comfortable with my suggested team ig :#

pedit: Chara, I am assessing your play here as best as I can. I have some idea of the difference in your meta but not a great idea. Do you think you've towntold within the context of your meta? What do you think I should be looking for? :c
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Post Post #634 (isolation #102) » Tue May 21, 2019 5:21 pm

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In post 631, The Last Knight wrote:
In post 604, the worst wrote:
In post 569, Chara wrote:i want to take the worst, and i like singleton and TLK for town as well. that's four including me.
This was your mission proposal, I think. If achievable I'd like to avoid taking anyone from the first mission..if I did take someone, it'd have to be someone I townread (Chito alone atm)
This team is fine with me. But if we have to change Chara for someone, I nominate Baezu.
I'm not in favour of STK either, just for the record. But yeah we should be sending Baezu on missions.
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Post Post #635 (isolation #103) » Tue May 21, 2019 5:23 pm

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In post 629, Chito and Yuuri wrote:If HRG was town then yeah, 580 team is a strong possibility. Baezu what did you make of HRG's posts? Seems like you're townreading the duck, which I guess means you were at worst nullreading HRG?

I'd still like to see what teams Penguin and TLK support.
HRG shared my slot. He posted badly but I dare you to try and case him. If you won't townread me I'll accept that and try the hard mode solve but I'd argue I've produced 10x more AI content than HRG.
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Post Post #639 (isolation #104) » Tue May 21, 2019 8:37 pm

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In post 636, Chito and Yuuri wrote:I kinda was hoping baezu would just open up about her read more. I like her for town but I think I find it hard to feel confident when her playstyle doesn't map out as much of her thought process as I'd like
I think this is a big part of why Baezu is considered lynchbait lol but it's just not a big part of her playstyle. I know that's jarring for players like you who appreciate tone/trajectory/transparency (me too!!) but I think she thinks a lot before she speaks and trying to crack into her
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Post Post #642 (isolation #105) » Tue May 21, 2019 9:01 pm

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Post Post #644 (isolation #106) » Tue May 21, 2019 9:11 pm

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that was a joke, sorry.

your comment about "1/3 town" could be taken to mean you know there were two scum on the team. fortunately I'm not actually stupid, I just act the part really well. :cool:
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Post Post #646 (isolation #107) » Tue May 21, 2019 9:35 pm

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Yeah exactly. Don't fret about it, I was shitposting.
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Post Post #648 (isolation #108) » Tue May 21, 2019 9:56 pm

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VOTE: Pass
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Post Post #649 (isolation #109) » Tue May 21, 2019 9:58 pm

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I don't know if it helps, Krazzy (my reads aren't perfectly weighted rn and they're in flux a bit) I might townread Baezu as strongly as I townread you. I'm reconsidering my "locktown" statement but I'm at very strong confidence.

TLK would be my fourth-most-townread in this group. :P
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Post Post #651 (isolation #110) » Tue May 21, 2019 11:07 pm

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In post 650, singletonking wrote:VOTE: Veto
Give me the details? :)
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Post Post #653 (isolation #111) » Tue May 21, 2019 11:10 pm

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Did you read any of my context for scumreading him? :(
There's a lot of conclusions and (imo) sound interaction you need to ignore to reach a tw/chito w/w conclusion.
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Post Post #658 (isolation #112) » Wed May 22, 2019 1:28 am

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:lol:
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Post Post #659 (isolation #113) » Wed May 22, 2019 1:29 am

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No. I just surprised myself by legitimately townslipping when I'm normally fairly wary of experienced players who townslip. :P I don't think you guys should treat it as clearing, but it was exactly as earnestly blonde as it looked.
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Post Post #665 (isolation #114) » Wed May 22, 2019 2:45 am

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In post 661, Baezu wrote:Tw- I really hope you’re town
The feeling is mutual.
If you're scum and as soon as I feel like I can read you I'm completely upside down, I'll be devastated.
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Post Post #667 (isolation #115) » Wed May 22, 2019 2:52 am

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STK my friend... i think i need you to un-tunnel and try again.

you went from calling me townslipped to scumreading me for ?? no reason?

chito has gone from initially a little icky to imo fairly transparently town - i have talked through this fairly exhaustively. you have claimed to read my reasoning, and ended our brief back-and-forth earlier to go and reassess. you are now still scumreading him because...you need to? i'm not sure there has been any reevaluation there, it feels like you took a step back and then stepped right over again to resume your tunnel.

baezu is one i have spoken less about so if you scumread her, i'll hear you out. i think she's town, but i'm always willing to listen to alternate perspectives.

you're calling my towncore the scumteam tho. and you're doing so without actually considering my reasons for townreading these two slots. so either your reads are upside down to mine, or we're on the money and you're trying to derail it. :( i think i've worked reasonably hard on convincing myself on these reads. i'll always reconsider but the fact you haven't shown any thought process in your evaluation of any of us for quite some time (and yet have ended up net scumreading us all) has me more than a little concerned.
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Post Post #669 (isolation #116) » Wed May 22, 2019 3:08 am

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i sincerely believe it is an all-town team.
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Post Post #675 (isolation #117) » Wed May 22, 2019 3:13 am

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In post 670, singletonking wrote:You realize that if you're wrong we could lose right?
Yes, definitely.
I'm not treating heavily around this team. I'm really anxious about our chances of success and I think I need to put the best team I possibly can forward.

This is literally it. It's myself and two of my strongest townreads + wildcard townread which my townreads have been more engaged with and townread.
There's strong synergy between the four of us (I'd say Chito is the weakest 'synergetic' link, but i wouldn't say it's scum indicative for him). It's solving synergy, and not chaotic nor pocketing synergy.

idk mannn if i'm wrong here in a worst case scenario i've epic failed on Chito and I don't think I've epic failed on Chito
if you think i'm going in the wrong direction talk to me about it in more depth?
or if you think we're all wolves except tlk (???) .... feel free to continue shading me i guess?
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Post Post #677 (isolation #118) » Wed May 22, 2019 3:17 am

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what's got you townreading STK? i'm actually very nervous about him atm.
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Post Post #681 (isolation #119) » Wed May 22, 2019 3:25 am

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I get where you're coming from. It just felt kinda unbelievable going from separately re-evaluating both myself and Chito, (admittedly I can't remember STK's last read on you) to calling the three of us the scumteam.
Just feels like there's a lot of reasoning missing in the middle. I'm sure it's considered, in someway or another, but can't see where it's trying to work out our alignments.
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Post Post #702 (isolation #120) » Wed May 22, 2019 5:58 pm

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goddamnit Krazzy...
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Post Post #703 (isolation #121) » Wed May 22, 2019 5:59 pm

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kinda had a feeling I should have forced you into longer interactions :{ but hey I was right on Baezu and Nips. ;)

Sorry I struggled so much with you, STK and Chara. I think I would have got PP right with a bit more time. :c

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Post Post #706 (isolation #122) » Wed May 22, 2019 6:04 pm

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I'd be very interested in playing the next variation (if you'll have me again :P).
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Post Post #710 (isolation #123) » Wed May 22, 2019 6:11 pm

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In post 707, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 706, the worst wrote:I'd be very interested in playing the next variation (if you'll have me again :P).
Of course. Anyone here if they'd like to try again can pre-in to it. I want to get a nice solid game of this, and I think now that this almost "trial-like" game of it has gone through, the next games of it will be easy. Was fun to mod on Morality, haha.
I liked how you kept up the Morality ~tone~ in your mod posts and PMs. :lol: it was really classy.
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Post Post #712 (isolation #124) » Wed May 22, 2019 6:19 pm

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ftr I was not even slightly serious about buying the tlk scumslip
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Post Post #729 (isolation #125) » Wed May 22, 2019 11:40 pm

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In post 725, Morality wrote:I also might take out daytalk between the 2. I like the idea of it being there, but we lose the “maybe there’s gonna be 2 fails by accident” potential.
I think hunting signalling by deepwolves is a really effective balancing factor in e.g. resistance -- I'm for dropping daychat too
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Post Post #741 (isolation #126) » Thu May 23, 2019 5:07 am

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In post 738, Chara wrote:also all of my proposed missions were all-town, fight me.
Yikes. Not wrong.
:oops: I'll sheep you next time.
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Post Post #742 (isolation #127) » Thu May 23, 2019 5:08 am

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Post Post #747 (isolation #128) » Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:00 pm

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In post 746, Morality wrote:Kira team won't be able to talk to each other to allow for situations where 2 scum are on the wagon, and they have to outguess each other, because that's always fun in Resistance.
Big fan of this call in particular.
Looking forward to the next running. :)

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