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heheheh reliableIn post 332, Morality wrote:Prodding High Risk Gamble one last time tonight. If they don’t respond, I’ll find a reliable replacement.-
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Chara is town, stk is town
Nips makes me want to throw up
I think TLK is town
Chito I don't townread and vehemently disagree with Chara's reason for townreading there, like other than balking at a mechsolve I don't see why they're town :U
PP hasn't towntold yet but looking promisingish
Insomnia/Baezu I have no feelings about-
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hey I think vetoes are more likely to fly on the first attempt if there are scum in the team (+distancing -solving) -- I always argue in vanilla resistance that scum should always pass the first mission because of the tight noose of POE.
it's a bit different here but if I had that vote changing power thingy I'd fire it on the first attempt.-
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Also let's make this game 10000 pages!! Get hype everyone!-
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Maybe I should be townreading insomnia and not townreading Chara actually :U
I don't think failure on the first mission is necessarily AI is all-
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yas I'm not rly convinced there were no scum on the first mission either but at least I'm obvtown for leaping in with a twtbaw wifom karate chop right?
basically I don't think first mission failure should rly be AI
we'll have more mechanical info wrt passes/fails/vetos later but I feel better about my veto distancing read-
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Yay you might have accidentally pocketed me or #birdsquad gonna kick some ass
ok I liked his attempt at a mechbreak then sudden realisation the whole idea was awful, it felt like he was working through it in realtime and it didn't feel restrained or agendaey which is slightly +town
I also liked his "why are you suggesting a team I suggested if you don't trust me" thing but I can't remember who he was talking to and also didn't think the recipient was particularly scummy
he has a kind of half solvey half sassy energy which has given me happy vibes-
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That's a decent take - I did a pretty rushed read through on the bus and he pinged me as town but I haven't sat down and parses it critically. Do you think he's exhibited scummy characteristics or just think my read is premature?-
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I don't really see a reason to townread him but I'll take that my read lacks literally any critical thinking because it does!
Where are you at on chara?-
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It was my first gut townread but the more I think about the read the less ~present~ Chara feels
It can post well as either alignment but rlyrlyrlygoodposts as town-
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I need to go and watch Game of Thrones out of the corner of my eye at my desk
If you're around in a couple of hours I wanna keep going.-
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Can you show me which of PP's posts you found excessively loaded/agenda-driving?In post 381, The Last Knight wrote:I mean, it was pro town. He's a mechanical player and worked hard on a mechanical play. He said he wasn't going to push it but someone asked to see it. He then posted it in a spoiler tag to appeal all parties. Anyone who didn't want to see it, could have moved along. I don't think that is scummy at all.
You are twisting the story to make it like he purposely posted something despite people telling him not to, but that omitted information completely changes what happened. Especially when explaining this to someone who just switched in, that's super scummy.-
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Like presumably you found the way PP questioned my stk read agendaey?-
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Interesting. I thought his read was a level or two deeper and more nuanced than mine was -- actually I appreciate him speaking up to parse my strong townreads in order to sort me. I might need some thoughts from some other TRs but I felt more challenged than manipulated by PP.-
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I'm for the approach so far but: PP, how do you feel about TLK's reaction to our conversation on the last page?-
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In post 408, Chito and Yuuri wrote:
First -- hi duck!In post 359, the worst wrote:Chara is town, stk is town
Nips makes me want to throw up
I think TLK is town
Chito I don't townread and vehemently disagree with Chara's reason for townreading there, like other than balking at a mechsolve I don't see why they're town :U
PP hasn't towntold yet but looking promisingish
Insomnia/Baezu I have no feelings about
Second -- are you scum? This paranoia push from you seems off and having no feelings about insomnia seems like a bad idea right now
Catch up and try again. I'm not engaging with you while you're catching up and asking me such cringey questions.-
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Isn't there a scum motivated ability to change a single player's vote? People were talking about it.-
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Talk to me about why you consider this scum motivated.In post 408, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Second -- are you scum? This paranoia push from you seems off and having no feelings about insomnia seems like a bad idea right now-
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How does it look similar to my play in Undertale? Please describe which bits you think are alignment indicative/scum motivated, not just my playstyle. I'm pretty short on patience for bad meta reads so I'd like to get through this as quickly as we can.In post 417, Chito and Yuuri wrote:
So far we have both pushed heavy paranoia in the early game when we've been scum against each other and so this looks very similar to your play in Undertale so farIn post 413, the worst wrote:Talk to me about why you consider this scum motivated.
I also don't know who you are so I'm not exactly sure how to approach your experience with me but let's roll-
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Hey. Turn that frown upside down.In post 419, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Fuck I miss Yuuri, I wish she would not have siteflaked, I really did not plan to play this game solo, I can't deal with this level of bad
Whatever, let's just veto this so we can get to a team that isn't gamethrowing
If you're town convince me and let's kill some scums.-
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I'd sssaaayyy they're more focused on their shtick than playing seriously but I need to try and interact with them before I'm confident-
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I read like 20% of the thread while Alisae posted memes, realised I didn't want to be there and apologised to em wholeheartedly for not doing anything usefulIn post 424, Chito and Yuuri wrote:
hmmm. really? I thought you read anime upick?In post 420, the worst wrote:I also don't know who you are so I'm not exactly sure how to approach your experience with me but let's roll
if this is true then it does mess up my sense of you pushing paranoia on me in your opening.
let me think on whether I buy this or not.
I then ignored the rest of the game except for ISOing the mod to have a look at some flips lategame.
Sorry. I legitimately have no idea who you are or what you did there.-
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Unless I get a strong ping I usually just don't bother IDing alts, it's more fun pretending you're different people anyway
But you brought up a gamestate ping from Undertale which is **something** we can talk about so even if you're feeling funny about it wanna share?
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Oh I just zoomed in on your avatar. Are you Krazzy?-
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I don't know who that character is I just had you as "person with black hair and hat" and didn't realise that was who was bashing the other person up in your chito+yuuri avi
ok what pinged you about my paranoia approach here? For sake of conversing about something let's pretend I'm playingscumlord 3d chess and I knew you were krazzy all along muahahaha-
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I mean I rushed my catch-up because I hate catch-ups so consider c, I was being the worst in a less ironic fashion.
Also being careful around sorting you guys in Undertale was exactly because I had no option but to keep you positioned with anxiety until one of you exhibited a towntell; in bop2 I loltownread Ank at sod1 to break out of rvs as scum and I was wary that she would be iffy about me approaching your slot with much other than carefulness. Now that I've nulled that tell a little my approach next time will be rand.
But, as much as I love you, I was more focused on throwing Ank off the scent than throwing you off the scent. Taly, too. If you throw back to SUPP2017M I prefer a lategame pocket when it comes to you.
Incidentally I *am* town here. Removing meta from the equation, could you reread my comment about Chara's read on you and tell me what you think?-
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ngl I didn't read a word before I repped in and I was so ready for a scumslot and all of my pred's posts suck so even I'm still a little shocked I rolled town hereIn post 434, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Wait you replaced Gamble slot
shit are you scum? duck why are you always opposed to me-
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I'm pretty sure by the end I had strongarmed you into uncertainty on my scum status and also absolute belief that scum!me wouldn't defend my scumbuddy so hard-
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basically I remember my buddy NKing you against my advice to resolve our 1v1 then Punreader absolutely shredding us and in the dead chat we had a jolly old time and realised we are soulmates.-
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at least someone townreads me irl
can I have some reeval on my entrance now you know I wasn't positioning you?-
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if you're still feeling sad please listen to this.-
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Can I get that cheeky reeval?In post 445, Chito and Yuuri wrote:Yeah, now my concerns are more with you having HRG's slot which was not very townie.
What an apt song! This was the first night I had a beer in two weeks.
My townrange is a tonne wider than my scumrange. I don't think it will take you long to get me right, and this stuff helps me get you right.-
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yea chito locktown and I feel mildly warm about tlk but need to resume realtimes
I have some hotter takes but I want to finish my ~methods~ first.-
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Don't worry Baezu I'm town <3
how do you feel about insomnia?-
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crazy thought what if this mission has to wolves in it
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If it does Chara is almost certainly our scumfuck btwIn post 285, Morality wrote:VOTE: Chara
VOTE: Insomnia
VOTE: Chito and Yuuri
You may VOTE: Pass / VOTE: Veto to this mission.
When 5 people vote one way or another, the phase will be over.
Pass [4]:Chara, Insomnia, The Last knight, Baked Nips
Veto [0]:
Not Voting [5]:Singletonking, Chito and Yuuri, High Risk Gamble, Baezu
Prodded Baezu and High Risk Gamble.-
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Either way if we form an insomnia/Chara dichotomy by virtue of Krazzy being town I definitely think chara is our wolf.-
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ftr my initial reads vs. ISOs soft flipped insomnia and chara
I remember insomnia not being all that focused and chara being very present but I think I was more focused on chara's posts bc it is very very good town and I don't know insomnia very well (sorry insomnia)
I also had this weird feeling the technicality of the game was very unnderadvanced given that we'd already had a veto and a pass
Flicking through ISOs I think I'm comfortable saying Chara is only obvtown in the underadvanced gamestate I was seeing. Being more in sync atm I do not think it has brought the fecority of its towngame and doubt it would disagree with me. On the flipside I think insomnia's posting has been reasonably town indicative at rand allowing for the fact I have no meta
shame they're probably our dichotomy because I'm flip flopping on them hard but there you gooo-
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{tw}
{chito}
{insomnia}
{penguin, baezu, tlk}
leaving
Baked Nips
Chara
Singletonking
strength of townreads ig I still have work to do-
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If he's scum and statistically understands that 2/3 of his submissions were on the last mission (including presumably a scumbuddy he is aware of) do you think he'd not be more hesitant about resubbing that teammate?-
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4p towncore wins the game we just need a solid ass towncore-
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Reading the ~tone~ I also think you're all uncomfortable with my slot which means this is hardmode
I need four real strong townreads and so far I havetwo-
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fwiw I'd say exactly one of chara or insomnia is a wolf unless they signalled. Which is shall go check.In post 310, Morality wrote:The First Task Force Mission:
Chara
Insomnia
Chito and Yuuri
First Task Force MissionSucceedFirst Task Force MissionFailFirst Task Force MissionSucceed
*Order of Success/Fails posted is randomized.
Completed Mission Tracker
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Doesn't feel aligned :UIn post 239, singletonking wrote:It feels... really weird that you used a team immediately after I suggested it, especially considering that you don't trust me.
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I don't see a signal.In post 471, the worst wrote:
fwiw I'd say exactly one of chara or insomnia is a wolf unless they signalled. Which is shall go check.In post 310, Morality wrote:The First Task Force Mission:
Chara
Insomnia
Chito and Yuuri
First Task Force MissionSucceedFirst Task Force MissionFailFirst Task Force MissionSucceed
*Order of Success/Fails posted is randomized.
Completed Mission Tracker
First Task Force MissionFail
I'd actually softclear the other two participants if we can agree on a scumread on this mission.-
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I'll never forget this crumb from camn to partner-nancy to sabotage in alphabetical order when they were both on a one-sab mission. camn hard lolcatted lategame and we accidentally wrote nancy off as town because of the single sab
so please make sure I'm not falling into a hole here.
but unless there was communication in {chito, chara, insomnia} that bracket contains exactly 1 wolf. also I don't think it's chito anymore.-
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Insomnia sell me on scum!Baezu? Or just show me what you're seeing as scum there?-
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In this case why not leave yourself in and omit Chara? I think that's a more fair question.In post 475, insomnia wrote:
You weak wolves are failing to understand that if I’m villager, I’m only pushing one potential scum in the mission. But when you are informed minority, it’s quite hard to understand uninformed majority simple thought process.In post 465, Baezu wrote:Like I said, he either doesn’t understand what having 2 out of the 3 people from the failed M1 means probabilisticly or he’s scum.
Leaning towards the latter
There might be a temptation to form a faux guilty by having a slot knock missions back b2b with you but you currently have a dichotomy of {Chito, Chara} which fypov absolutely must contain scum if you're town.
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Did you need me to signal that I want to interact with you? :c I thought that was a given. I absolutely love interacting with you.In post 482, Chara wrote:
i'm even more uncomfortable with how you've attempted to make the scumread on me seem like a very advanced thought, while the read itself boils down to "Chara hasn't brought its town ferocity, it only seems like it has". i want to know what you mean by this and what you know about my scumgame in more detail.In post 470, the worst wrote:Reading the ~tone~ I also think you're all uncomfortable with my slot which means this is hardmode
I need four real strong townreads and so far I havetwo
but what really bothers me is you managed that entire catchup without giving any indication you wanted to interact with me. maybe the scumread was that attempt, but given all you've done is apply meta very vaguely that my game right now isn't good enough to be my towngame, there isn't much discussion to be had.
you mentioned that i would agree with you on this point, actually. why is that?
also, why do you think Chito is town now?
My understanding of your scumgame is *mostly* from your hydra marathon with Almost50. Your earlier posting was sound and critical and looked towny enough but had a missing depth which is discernibly different from your towngame. Do you think that assessment is unfair?
(Also sorry because I think I've done this to you at least once before) If I should have a better read than this could you show me where you think you've towntold outside your scum range? I'd he interested to see it.
I'm not dressing my read on you up as anything more than it is. You know the way I sort - my reads are in perpetual flux when I'm town.-
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If you force this mechanical guilty please acknowledge that to the rest of us, that remains a mechanical DICHOTOMY between you and the player you have soft guiltied. Not a guilty. We would then need a lot of townies to correctly read you to even make use of your information, and you roll the dice on two failed missions.In post 485, insomnia wrote:You kind of answered the question yourself, what else is there you want me to answer on this? Doesn't the fact that I am pushing one player who was on the mission imply I have decided they're the other town on the mission?
If scum failed the first mission (which is a dumb move btw) then I'll take on their mistake. I'll transform our loss into success. There's no reason for me not to solve the dichotomy and go for another completely new variable that I have no information on. I'm picking a team BASED on information from the first mission. You trying to make me search where I don't have clues is iffy.
Baezu suggesting that there may be scum motivation here is entirely valid. I don't necessarily think you're scum at the moment, but I think you should take another look at her points because I think she's been very critical.
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Yeah sorry. I forgot to answer that.In post 487, Chara wrote:i should stop skimming catchups, starting with not missing the entirety of page 17.
and knowing Chito is Krazy is something. it also explains the worst's townread that formed there with this entire interaction i didn't read.
Krazzy + our conversation.-
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If Chito is scum he's the most exposed scum prospect on that wagon, I think. He would then have had to respond to me (who loves him to bits) replacing in, starting off with him as a scumread, and deciding to balk at my decision to try to position him for a mislynch and accuse me of being scum based on a meta informed decision based on meta I wasn't informed on.
It's loosely possible this would occur to scum!Krazzy but I'm letting myself townread him on a couple of other weaker meta points. His enthusiasm and tone here are town indicative. I think he's been frustrated by things which I would expect him to be frustrated at as town, before scum.-
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