Open 770: Fusion Mafia - Game Over!

[ofrhz]

What's up fam

[ofrhz]

I read like the first 20 pages of this game before I replaced in, so you can already AMA I guess

Things I remember from my read through -

I don't townread Gamma yet, so that's exciting, unchartered waters for me
I didn't like what little content Aisa (now pisskop, hi!) had
I didn't understand the progression behind why Elements was voting Saudade (now my slot) and didn't like how he was focusing on it to the exclusion of everything else

I was townreading Norway, pops, and Hopkirk. I was also lazily townreading Flopz and Hectic to a lesser extent based off of tone

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Sup

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Hectic can you explain how you're viewing Egduf and Aisa's replace outs differently?

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you and saudade or you and me?

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Gamma I could townread. Don't remember why I townread Proffi.

Why do you think gamma is town?

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me and sausage

You voted saudade and kept your vote there for 10 pages because you don’t like him?

That’s kinda hilarious ngl

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I (slightly) like Gamma for one of the same reasons I like Elements. Some strong indicators they're playing naturally rather than tactically based on odd misreadings they've then pushed for just the right amount of time.

This is generally how I try to read gamma as well, but I haven’t seen enough of this to feel that he’s town

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Hectic can you explain how you're viewing Egduf and Aisa's replace outs differently?

I have a lot of history playing with Edguf. I don't know Aisa's history or whether her replacing out is a scumtell.

I see

I thought it was kind of interesting your inclination was to townread Aisa for her replace out

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I don't scumread George

This seems within his townrange, specifically how he treated Farkran's wagon here: viewtopic.php?t=81161&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

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VOTE: pisskop

Mainly because of his pred's posts

But...weren’t you town?

Gams kinda town?

But also why would Gamma be town for this post?

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Did you read the game I linked?

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I don't feel great about orfhz so far.

What’s on your mind pops?

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pk, you all caught up?

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Thoughts on George?

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Saudade/Hopkirk are town
Elements/Hectic are scum

George, you say you agree with the above but then say Dunn is the one who's scummy for pushing your lynch. Why not me?

this i can dig from hectic, but consider what a scum george gains from doing it.

The original question was weird - Hectic isn’t voting for George?

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Pisskop seems like a rather deliberate vanity wagon to me. You aren't pushing hard enough for him to possibly be lynched. So it looks like you're pretending to do something instead of do something and that seems scum indicative to me

I don’t particularly like the wagon on George or ank

Wrt to pushing hard, that’s true but we also both just got here

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Are you still scumreading profii, pk? Or just generally where are you

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VOTE: pisskop

Oh

choo choo

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Why the strong townread on gamma, ank? I didn’t particularly like their vote here

Spoiler:

come on now you might as well just claim scum

lolVOTE: Saudade

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Yeah I’m all caught up

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Which ones?

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Eh ok i can agree with 342 but it’s probably better to not dwell on this rn

Norway is a spicy read. It’s kind of interesting that both pisskop and Norway called George new town

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I also like flopz’s readlist, especially considering he’s a new player. It shows some effort at re-evaluating reads

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unofficial VC

(4) Dunnstral

- GeorgeBailey, profii, NorwegianboyEE, Hopkirk

(2) GeorgeBailey

- popsofctown, Dunnstral

(2) Ankamius

- Hectic, Elements

(2) pisskop

- ofrhz, Ankamius

(1) Ofrhz

- Gamma Emerald

(1) profii

- pisskop

(1) Not voting - Flopz

I think this is the VC but lmk if I screwed up (including the order of votes on a wagon)

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I’m town

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What are the similarities between pk’s town game and here? Is he out of his scumrange?

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I don't think Aisa's play here is much different to her previous 2 town games. If anything, she's effort posting and analysing more here than her usual town-meta. She mentions frustration at all fluff posting which is town indicative, and I can see her replace out being a result of that in combination with being scumread for effort posting (which is the worst).

Wouldn’t scum also replace out if they effort posted and got scumread for it? It’s nai

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I townread Ank ftr

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Can someone summarise the Pisskop wagon for me please?

Im voting dunn out of survivalism, but a redflip there makes you that guy who rallied to save him.

Me too. Why not me?

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Err I meant, I also have been avoiding the Dunn wagon and was the first to vote you. Why wouldn’t it be suspicious of me if Dunn flipped red?

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I feel like ever since Ank came in she's been defending Dunn and setting up this counterwagon, i don't trust it and lynching Dunnstral would explain much about the events surrounding this gamestate.

You could also lynch pk to better understand what’s happening in this game state

winkety wink

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No I don’t really have a read on him, which means there’s a decent chance he’s scum by PoE

It feels suboptimal to vote dunnstral over someone I think will really flip scum though. I don’t think he’s even out of his townrange in spite of his minimal contributions to the game

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pk, what’s scummy about Elements?

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No I don’t really have a read on him, which means there’s a decent chance he’s scum by PoE

PoE with no flips, that was fast

So who are all the town?

Do you really need flips or have the game solved to have a PoE pool of people who are "not town"?

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@Dunn:

You and George are both feasibly low effort town but also haven't done anything that couldn't be easily done by scum. I don't townread profii either.

Hectic is an interesting slot that I tone townread, but is worth revisiting later given I haven't liked some of his recent posts.

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I've reconsidered my earlier reads on Elements and Gamma, and they're no longer in my PoE.

My overall impression of town!Elements in Haunted Village was that he was a bit more solve-y than he is here. Reading his scum game in Undertale, his posts were more serious and stilted in comparison to here. So while he is outside both his town and scum meta, it's more likely that he is town and decided to play differently here, as opposed to him overcoming some sort of comfort barrier with playing scum.

Gamma I still don't have a strong read on. However, I liked his vote on pk and thought that was town indicative for him. He's also strongly townread by a townread of mine, and that's enough to move him above null.

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Someone should really check when Pisskop has self hammered in the past.
@Pisskop: why did you try?

He has done it a few times fairly recently as town

Not sure about as scum

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This is a very interesting change Profii but a welcome one nonetheless. Although your case is certainly well-reasoned I haven't been fully swayed yet.

Btw for the same reason as Hopkirk and Hectic I will not be particularly active tomorrow.

What bits about profii's case did you think were well reasoned?

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pk, why are you townreading dunn?

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Could you just tell us the reason for scumreading Norway?

This memeing is weirding me out, since I've always thought of you as a more serious player.

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@ofrhz Thoughts on Profii's argument so far?

So far his argument is "Norway hasn't denied being scum" and I'm not really vibing that

He's hinted that he has something deeper though

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I still townread Norwegian.

I didn’t find a game where pk self voted as scum. This isn’t to say it’s difficult to self vote as scum and the move is laced in wifom, but I think in this setup, it’d be a huge blow to scum to give up on day 1. He has also demonstrated the same frustration as town when his townplay was incorrectly scumread

UNVOTE:

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Profii, you killed the game. Gj bud.

eh. town reads aplenty out of that episode

Which ones?

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Was that hammer?

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Flopz can you link your scumgame

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Yes

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VOTE: dunn