BooneyToonz XIII: To Boon or Not To Boon - [END]

[Chemist1422]

didn't a50 also claim desperate right after I claimed disloyal

[chkflip]

Idk the timing but yes that's his claim.

[Venus and Mars]

Desperate - Like Disloyal, but works against Millers and similar. Mod may also make it so where if they would target successfully like if they had

@Chemist

[AaronFrost]

So did anyone else claim to target A50 and have their action fail or was it just Creature?

I targeted A50 and failed. Mine fails if blocked OR A50 is town.

VOTE: nips

So what is lynching nips actually going to confirm then?

Because if I have this right, then this is what happened

• A50 targetted flipple nips and lived which would normally point to a clear EXCEPT
  
• Both you and Creature targetted A50 and your actions failed

Atm I believe A50 to be town which would be the most likely explanation for your action failing. However there are a number of different scenarios that could've caused Creature's action to fail.

• Your theory is right and there is an enchantress that targetted A50
  
• Creature could've been roleblocked
  
• A50 could've been rolestopped OR could be an ascetic (which he has denied and I think town A50 would tell the truth about that I'm going to say him being ascetic is unlikely)

So if nipple flips is scum then it would point to there being an enchantress. However if he's town then we basically confirm nothing because any of those scenarios could still hold true.

Is there something I'm missing here? Bc right now I don't think flipples has a >random chance of flipping scum.

What is your VCA case against him?

[chkflip]

Thank fuck Frost, I really didn't want to iterate and reiterate again and again. And you made it so pretty to look at too oh I'm enchanted. <3

[davesaz]

That quote is mangled, it's "may also make it so they die if they can target successfully".
It's important to note that this is an option not a definition of the modifier, so only the people who actually get the modifier will get directly informed of which variant is in use this game. I have no reason to doubt the death on success variant is in use btw.

[Chemist1422]

fwiw I think regardless of mech stuff flips is a bad wagon

because there's nothing mechancially implicating him, only preventing him from being mech clear

also his posting got kinda better today

[davesaz]

To paraphrase Titus's VCA, there were 3 wagons all at 5 or so, and two of those have flipped or been mech cleared as town. This implies the 3rd wagon was on scum.

[davesaz]

There is a little more to it but that's the gist as far as I can tell.

[Venus and Mars]

fwiw I think regardless of mech stuff flips is a bad wagon

because there's nothing mechancially implicating him, only preventing him from being mech clear

also his posting got kinda better today

He’s the only one who knows Expresso and that was a weird kill. I was 100% opposed to it until I made the connection between A50 and Creature. If Creature had targeted Drew, I wouldn’t be voting Nips.

[Venus and Mars]

To paraphrase Titus's VCA, there were 3 wagons all at 5 or so, and two of those have flipped or been mech cleared as town. This implies the 3rd wagon was on scum.

R & J
Haggle
Nips

[Venus and Mars]

To paraphrase Titus's VCA, there were 3 wagons all at 5 or so, and two of those have flipped or been mech cleared as town. This implies the 3rd wagon was on scum.

R & J = townflip
Haggle = confirmed to have no gun by claimed gunsmith Dave
Nips

So, with the knowledge that Creature targeted A50 and was blocked, enchantress theory is looking a lot more solid now.

[Titus]

To paraphrase Titus's VCA, there were 3 wagons all at 5 or so, and two of those have flipped or been mech cleared as town. This implies the 3rd wagon was on scum.

Correct. Wagon participation also is a factor too. The higher the wagon participation the more likely one of the people is scum.

If you disagree, then scum should be heavily off wagons.

[AaronFrost]

To paraphrase Titus's VCA, there were 3 wagons all at 5 or so, and two of those have flipped or been mech cleared as town. This implies the 3rd wagon was on scum.

Correct. Wagon participation also is a factor too. The higher the wagon participation the more likely one of the people is scum.

If you disagree, then scum should be heavily off wagons.

Another thing I remember you saying (I'll try to find that post in a minute) is that you thought me and BEF were driving the wagon onto R&J. What made you think this?

[Venus and Mars]

To paraphrase Titus's VCA, there were 3 wagons all at 5 or so, and two of those have flipped or been mech cleared as town. This implies the 3rd wagon was on scum.

Correct. Wagon participation also is a factor too. The higher the wagon participation the more likely one of the people is scum.

If you disagree, then scum should be heavily off wagons.

Another thing I remember you saying (I'll try to find that post in a minute) is that you thought me and BEF were driving the wagon onto R&J. What made you think this?

That was another thing I didn’t agree with.

[AaronFrost]

Found it

Counterwagon to two wagons

And who lead the shift away from his wagon

Frost and BEF...

Ebwop lead the shift to R and J away from FlipNips

[Titus]

To paraphrase Titus's VCA, there were 3 wagons all at 5 or so, and two of those have flipped or been mech cleared as town. This implies the 3rd wagon was on scum.

Correct. Wagon participation also is a factor too. The higher the wagon participation the more likely one of the people is scum.

If you disagree, then scum should be heavily off wagons.

Another thing I remember you saying (I'll try to find that post in a minute) is that you thought me and BEF were driving the wagon onto R&J. What made you think this?

I looked at the wagons between the 10 R and J vote and the 5 5 5 split

[chkflip]

RCE, are the EoD vote counts an accurate representation of your ability?

[50 Judge Powers]

As for protecting her, I mostly protected her because she is the only one I know in this playerlist.

*She said, with a cunning smile on her face and her fingers crossed behind her back*

[50 Judge Powers]

A50 is the closest thing we have to a cop rn.
He LITERALLY DIES if he visits scum.

Wrong I am. I actually get proof of scum if I am healed.

Now, you're attacking the doctor which might only get one more action.

Your bloody action doesn't work ON TOWN anyway. If you were healed and I was scum (and thus still alive) then I would have been right there with you in the hood. Isn't that what you claim to have been given as a modifier???

[50 Judge Powers]

VOTE: Joan

Nor buying ANYTHING she says. I don't even know why Scum would leave the Doctor alive, if they -presumably- had both me and -allegedly- Creature blocked one way or another. So they left the Doctor alone, without even trying to block her action??

[50 Judge Powers]

Okay, you want to know what my modifier is? It's loyal. Meaning my protection only works on town. Which is where my TR originated from.

And how would you know if it worked at all, when Scum actually killed someone (so obviously didn't try to kill Titus to begin with)??

[50 Judge Powers]

i don't think Joan's claims make sense. her Titus TR coming on the start of D2 is fine, if it's intuition. but she says it's because she's loyal, and that she assumes her protection worked. assuming your loyal protection worked isn't a reason to assume your target was town. it has nothing to do with it, unless we lacked a kill last night.

Thank you!

[davesaz]

My theory, which we won't know is accurate until postgame I suppose, is that scum thought they were killing a lover and thus would get a two-fer. That could override killing a doc N1. I don't want to be inconsiderate but it's also important to consider proficiency -- a doc who doesn't yet know who to target is unlikely to be effective in any case.

As for the blocking action, a simple analysis of your EOD position should show that it's likely they thought you would target one of them and that town would figure out what the results meant. It's fairly obvious that if there is an enchantress it isn't (competent) town or we wouldn't have spent all this time discussing it. I'm coming along to the point of view that we do know that your target could be predicted, and that your action could perhaps be manipulated by scum and exploited to "confirm someone as town". Someone who I won't mention rn is "right" in their scumreads but for a fairly poor reason -- or at least they haven't articulated the better reasons.

One other thing I'll bring up since it concerns 50's reads, if scum were informed the game had a Juvenile Delinquent, they would have incentive to want to find out who it was. Was anyone especially suspicious of the miller claim and did that generate lengthy discussion? This piece of evidence might help explain the NK or identify who was exploring that angle, if there was anyone.

[50 Judge Powers]

i thought Almost's final claim was Desperate. Weak was something he was talking about earlier.

my understand is Weak = die on scum/millers, and Desperate = die on scum/millers, action fails on town. distinct enough.

No. I am WEAK .. AND .. DESPERATE.. and it was explained to me in MY ROLE PM that Desperate means my action fails if my target is not a member of the Scum team (and then I asked and learned also Millers are treated as if they were members of the Scum team for all I'm concerned).

It was also explained to me in my Role PM that WEAK would make me die if I targeted a member of the Scum team (and then I asked... reread in between the brackets above)

I am also 1-shot, but my shot gets refunded whenever it fails (and then I asked and found out it fails on ANYONE not a member of the Scum team, so it would fail if my target was 3P too. Furthermore, my action fail could be due to my target being a Commuter, or having been Rolestopped, or if I'm RB'd ... etc)

@Fonz: I can't visit you tonight, as I'm taking my wife out for dinner.