Mini 2156: Launch Mob [Game Over]

[Nosferatu]

Vote Count 1.2

midwaybear

(3): Ydrasse, Blair, innocentvillager

CantLynchAPuppy

(2): midwaybear, Dunnstral

Dunnstral

(2): CantLynchAPuppy, Mafia Goon

Blair

(1): ready2rock

Not voting

(2): Nosferatu, Battle Mage

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to launch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-08-04 23:30:00)

Notes:

• Seeking a replacement for Nosferatu.

oop

[Nosferatu]

Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought

"ehh, maybe not..."

then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.

lmfao who's the third?

VOTE: ready2rock

[Nosferatu]

Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought

"ehh, maybe not..."

then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.

lmfao who's the third?

VOTE: ready2rock

excuse me?

UNVOTE:

VOTE: nosferatu

ur excused

[Nosferatu]

@Ydrasse: don't worry. It might look like a lot, but I'm still posting those one liners
I'll reply to BM later, but @BM what made you change your vote? Was it something I did or something Nosferatu did?

As above, I was voting for Puppy previously but it wasn't doing much and I didn't feel really strongly about it. I'm getting town-tells and scum-tells from you - undecided as yet. Nosferatu just looks like classic lazy lurker-scum.

i just got here how am i lurker scum lmao

[Nosferatu]

@Ydrasse: don't worry. It might look like a lot, but I'm still posting those one liners
I'll reply to BM later, but @BM what made you change your vote? Was it something I did or something Nosferatu did?

As above, I was voting for Puppy previously but it wasn't doing much and I didn't feel really strongly about it. I'm getting town-tells and scum-tells from you - undecided as yet. Nosferatu just looks like classic lazy lurker-scum.

i just got here how am i lurker scum lmao

it's page 7, you aint posted shit and when asked to elaborate on the little you had said, you didn't wanna play.

sorry when did anyone ask me to elaborate on anything?

[Nosferatu]

Nosferatu hadnt posted for ages, and when they did turn up (only after being threatened with replacement), they posted nothing useful and didn't want to engage in a dialogue to help sort their slot. It's what I call the road to rome special.

lmao i wasn't threatened with replacement, i was in the process of being replace and i happened remember i signed up for this in time to not get replaced.

ah, I guess I was a bit ambiguous

Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought

"ehh, maybe not..."

then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.

lmfao who's the third?

VOTE: ready2rock

wtf is this? ELABORATE

Dunnstral put you at L-1, then a mere six minutes later, thought

"ehh, maybe not..."

then voted for Puppy instead, and made it look like an innocent opportunity to make a joke with Puppy username in the process. It felt a little too self conscious to me to be genuine.

ur telling me that blair geniunely believes dunn took back a L-1 vote cause he was feeling self conscious?

thats crazy bro

Nosferatu - what's your thinking on the game so far? do you have any reads/views?

i think that if dunn flips red so does blair but not the other way around

[Nosferatu]

that being said, nosferatu, why do you say that about dunn/blair? i didn't take anything away from their exchange personally.

Ok, why arent you voting Blair then? Is that post really the only thing you want to comment on? FWIW I basically agree with Ydrasse assessment in #159.

i dont want to get too into it without either flipping which is why i decided not to push either

[Nosferatu]

i think that if dunn flips red so does blair but not the other way around

I wanted to vote you for this because it makes zero sense, but then I realised I should probably townread you for it for exactly that reason.

Wait, actually, I thought about it more and it does make sense. It's like when someone checks someone else with the identity thing in secret hitler and claims the other person is liberal (town). The person making the check could still be fascist (scum) while the person being checked is liberal, but if the person being checked is fascist, then the checker has to be fascist.

Does that work for reads like it does for mechanics? Maybe. Elaborate if you can please.

u never heard of associative reads bro?

[Nosferatu]

That all being said I don't like Nosferatu's entrance into the game all that much either, very combative

ill fight u on that

whats bad about being combative

[Nosferatu]

Oh, also:

FoS: Mafia Goon

why do u feel the need

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: ydrasse

[Nosferatu]

You have 1 read out of the whole game, which was that either/both of Blair/Dunn were scum...and you decided not to push either. So 2 questions:
Why would you not push your only scumreads, unless you don't actually want to elim scum?

If you don't want to push them, why do you not have some more reads/do something else?

lmao i had reads other than that, i just dont feel the need to share every single one as i form it

my blair/dunnstral read is associative so its meaningless to push them when neither flipped

dunnstral is probably flipping before endgame here anyway

ur leading questions suck

[Nosferatu]

It means that two people have an above random chance of being wolves together maybe because of a specific interaction(or lack thereof).

i maintain in the year or so ive been gone that "equity" is a horrible term the word literally just doesn't mean that in any sense

[Nosferatu]

You have 1 read out of the whole game, which was that either/both of Blair/Dunn were scum...and you decided not to push either. So 2 questions:
Why would you not push your only scumreads, unless you don't actually want to elim scum?

If you don't want to push them, why do you not have some more reads/do something else?

lmao i had reads other than that, i just dont feel the need to share every single one as i form it

my blair/dunnstral read is associative so its meaningless to push them when neither flipped

dunnstral is probably flipping before endgame here anyway

ur leading questions suck

the problem is you haven't shared any reads you're willing to commit to, and I can't see why you'd be so evasive and non-committal as town.

when i have a read i want u to know abt i'll let u know
what is the town benefit of trying to make everyone sheep ur finicky reads

town play style is not a monolith and having reads and scumhunting are not universally town behavior
scum can have reads and scumhunt just as convincingly

[Nosferatu]

the dunn wagon does not pass the vibe check

[Nosferatu]

ur so cracked

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: dunnstral

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: dunnstral

late bus?

i think that its abundantly clear that this was a very early bus

[Nosferatu]

town play style is not a monolith and having reads and scumhunting are not universally town behavior
scum can have reads and scumhunt just as convincingly

Well of course they can.

But if we split the playerlist into two columns:

Scumhunting	Not Scumhunting
Town	Town :facepalm:
Town	Mafia
Town
Town
Town
Mafia
Town
Town

There can be Mafia in the

"Scumhunting"

category (your point), but if there is a Townie in the

"Not Scumhunting"

category for some reason we have a problem. :lol:

It's sort of our win condition. :neutral:

i described scumhunting in the sense of what he believes to be scumhunting; obviously all town need to be looking for scum otherwise why are you even playing

[Nosferatu]

I scumlean Noseferatu's play, but townread him off of meta. In his last game, he was mafia, and had plenty of reads upon entering the game. The fact he doesn't feel obliged to provide them here is probably town-indicative. Wait, that was 2 years ago actually, so doesn't count for

that

much, but it's something.

:!:

I think Blair and Ydrasse and midwaybear all come out looking bad here

i...agree!

[Nosferatu]

I think Blair and Ydrasse and midwaybear all come out looking bad here

i...agree!

why ydrasse and midway? can they both come out looking bad? only one is pushing this launch, i don't see the joint cause cause here

midway i don't know abt, i wanted to make a fantano reference

[Nosferatu]

i am totally fine w this lynch as well

VOTE: ydrasse

[Nosferatu]

the L-1 is literally NAI just like the rest of his ISO can we just consolidate

[Nosferatu]

if u wanna pretend that momentum doesnt exist that is totally on u my friend

[Nosferatu]

bruh what the fuck happened

[Nosferatu]

y'all just claim for funsies bro i can't even rn

[Nosferatu]

I am only as confident as the information I am getting from you guys

I don't like this.

Retracting intent.

He's counter-claiming without telling us his role

or

taking any responsibility for the outcome.

I'd rather launch Dunnstral today and let the PR claims self-sort.

read self sort as: leak even more info to inform my kills for the next couple nights

[Nosferatu]

i don't know what info scum could glean from two prs talking to each other cause i'm not scum :)

[Nosferatu]

would be a crazy bus on ydrasse's part if dunn was scum

they didnt seem that crazy

[Nosferatu]

idk kinda bold to suggest we lay off the counter claim

[Nosferatu]

lmao all this to leave dunn to lurk to victory

that seems losing by force im ngl

[Nosferatu]

apathy kicking town ass rn

also ngl reading this game feels like i'm looking at a blob of "meh" with a few light trs (hi inno, hi blair) thrown in there which makes parsing through it all feel like my brain is turning into goo. i don't know what that means mafia is doing other than either blending in or just... not playing right now which means we're all kind of half-heartedly pointing fingers at each other hoping something sticks.

that sentiment implicates nosferatu, dunn and r2r if going off of like, strictly numbers. of them i like nosferatu the most bc of that dunn/blair thing. i think r2r isn't look the best but i vibed with some of their points regarding bm thus the unvote. i don't think it's foolproof like they are town 100% of the time but i can follow their logic without having to twist and reach for it so i don't wanna vote them rn

peepin the meh block aka {launchy, midway, goon, battle mage}

Vote Count 1.11

Ydrasse

(3): midwaybear, innocentvillager, Nosferatu

Dunnstral

(2): Blair, ready2rock

Blair

(2): Dunnstral, Mafia Goon

Mafia Goon

(1): Ydrasse

midwaybear

(1): CantLynchAPuppy

Not voting

(1): Battle Mage

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to launch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-08-04 23:30:00)

Vote Count 1.13 (FINAL)

Ydrasse

(6): innocentvillager, Nosferatu, Mafia Goon, midwaybear, Battle Mage, ready2rock

Blair

(1): Dunnstral

Mafia Goon

(1): Ydrasse

midwaybear

(1): CantLynchAPuppy, Blair

With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to launch.

wagonomics say its the kidd
VOTE: battle mage

[Nosferatu]

VOTE: Nosferatu

V/LA for weekend

oh haha omgus

[Nosferatu]

waiting for weekend to end so that battle mage can scumpost in his response so i dont have to scumhunt his ISO~~~

Been quite torn between Blair and Dunn this whole day phase

i quite literally refuse to believe its not TvT given that dunn being scum would imply we wagoned both scum in d1 and even after being gone two years i dont have that much faith in the town meta of this site

[Nosferatu]

ya hes quivering in fear

already caught scum p much wrap it up

[Nosferatu]

I'd say mafi is a bit at the moment (though I've been reading him as town), and Nosferatu

I didn't unvote, my vote is still on Blair, and I feel that if I were scum I'd have given up this push a long time ago after the first 2 or 3 times because it hasn't been gaining any traction from people, but I'm continuing because it's helping me get a better feel of my read.

ya hes quivering in fear

already caught scum p much wrap it up

I didn't know BM was caught scum

Midway what are your reads on people?

no u r

[Nosferatu]

mafi dont u know? we only do lazy low hanging fruit scumhunting here

post a lot of dumb questions = town bro
no post = scum

[Nosferatu]

its ok ill wait as long as i need for u to publish ur scumpost magnum opus

[Nosferatu]

sorry guys i havent got much time at the moment to do proper thinking. did look at Ydrasse ISO and still happy it's Nosferatu. He was lumped in the "could be scum" block for a bit of distancing, but the rationale for him not being an active target was particularly contrived.

I'm down for this

VOTE: Nosferatu

before bm elaborates id love for u to tell me how this argument was contrived

also ngl reading this game feels like i'm looking at a blob of "meh" with a few light trs (hi inno, hi blair) thrown in there which makes parsing through it all feel like my brain is turning into goo. i don't know what that means mafia is doing other than either blending in or just... not playing right now which means we're all kind of half-heartedly pointing fingers at each other hoping something sticks.

that sentiment implicates nosferatu, dunn and r2r if going off of like, strictly numbers. of them i like nosferatu the most bc of that dunn/blair thing.

dunno if it is or isnt but i just wanna hear u say it

@Nosferatu is BM scum just because of how he voted Ydrasse?

as of this moment ya p much

[Nosferatu]

Oh I'm voting you for a different reason BM is, and I pointed it out on the last page and it kind of just flew over your head in a way that I found pretty amusing

Let me try to make it more clear in case others also missed it

ya hes quivering in fear

already caught scum p much wrap it up

Vote Count 2.3

ready2rock

(2): Mafia Goon, CantLynchAPuppy

Battle Mage

(1): Nosferatu

ur definition of clear is quite lacking

[Nosferatu]

i feel like u missed my sarcasm in 572

[Nosferatu]

tbf i zone out reading any post from that slot and will most likely continue to do so

[Nosferatu]

Noseferatu, why aren't you voting for Dunny given you've repeatedly shaded him and said he's lurking to victory?

Also, why did you switch to Ydrasse from Dunny in the first place back in D1?

[Nosefarstu, Blair, redrock] is my pool.

huh

[Nosferatu]

Noseferatu, why aren't you voting for Dunny given you've repeatedly shaded him and said he's lurking to victory?

Also, why did you switch to Ydrasse from Dunny in the first place back in D1?

[Nosefarstu, Blair, redrock] is my pool.

im saying he couldn't be lurking to victory i think voting for him is trolling rn

also ydrasse had no momentum at the time so i voted dunn

[Nosferatu]

Oh, okay, I misinterpreted that lurking thing.

I mean, why did you switch to Ydrasse from Dunny in 390? You can be fine about both, but why did you prefer Ydrasse when Dunny was also viable?

it was stagnating and instead i felt ydrasse had more momentum at the time
i also didn't like dunn's wagon

[Nosferatu]

UNVOTE: /unvote]
VOTE: ready2rock
nosferatu doesn't feel like a good hang. Why is he scummy?

i cant be scum
my voting behavior around ydrasse spews town big time imo

thats why im so excited to see either r2r or bm give any semi-coherent reason that im scum

[Nosferatu]

but i guess we're not gonna see it this day phase cause it seems like both are just gonna lurk til tmrw?

[Nosferatu]

like bruh im not gonna deep dive but

Scumpool
CantLynchAPuppy
Dunnstral
Ydrasse
Nosferatu**

lowkey random inclusion of ydrasse given their interactions previous to this post don't read like he has a scum read on ydrasse

boring is just my personality i am sorry (and i haven't been giving games as much attention as i should have/could have this week)

also ngl reading this game feels like i'm looking at a blob of "meh" with a few light trs (hi inno, hi blair) thrown in there which makes parsing through it all feel like my brain is turning into goo. i don't know what that means mafia is doing other than either blending in or just... not playing right now which means we're all kind of half-heartedly pointing fingers at each other hoping something sticks.

that sentiment implicates nosferatu, dunn and r2r if going off of like, strictly numbers. of them i like nosferatu the most bc of that dunn/blair thing. i think r2r isn't look the best but i vibed with some of their points regarding bm thus the unvote. i don't think it's foolproof like they are town 100% of the time but i can follow their logic without having to twist and reach for it so i don't wanna vote them rn

i think i just want to vote dunn and see like. anything.

VOTE: dunnstral

VOTE: ydrasse

High partner equity in Nosferatu-Dunnstral?

totally another random conclusion there maybe he thinks im chainsawing? idk

Townblock assemble!

VOTE: Dunnstral

If he flips scum, Nosferatu tomorrow.

If he flips town, Ydrasse/Puppy tomorrow.

when ydrasse has same votes as dunn:

we can do ydrasse tomorrow dude, need more dunn votes

why would we be voting ydrasse tmrw if he thinks dunn is scum following the above?

[Nosferatu]

i said this before i was being sarcastic in 572

[Nosferatu]

lmao r u serious

[Nosferatu]

ur so confident and yet totally wrong

[Nosferatu]

i was calling u low hanging fruit

in 572 i was mocking the idea that u would try to run away from talking to blair like she was a fucking demon or something
in 577 i had to clarify i was talking abt u because u interpreted it as me talking abt bm
in 587 i made this even more obvious by saying having less posts was scummy bc u have one the lowest post counts

[Nosferatu]

2) The absolute insistence that over me, he’s pushing for someone that he’s too lazy to want to actually make a case on both indicates to me that he hasn’t been interested in actually scumhunting or attaching his name to a case

this is literally such surface level thinking

[Nosferatu]

lurking != low post count

it truly is not that serious bro i cant be lieve u wrote a whole paragraph pretending to understand a troll post

ik that it wasnt that intense cause mafia goon picked up on the sarcasm bro

i bet u dont even use emojis

[Nosferatu]

Kerset replaces Battle Mage.

big shoes to fill

[Nosferatu]

can the rest of the town come to play ?

preferably to vote battlemage

[Nosferatu]

can the rest of the town come to play ?

preferably to vote battlemage

Great... BM accused you so now i need to deal with OMGUS

don't forget the very suspect wagon behavior

[Nosferatu]

Who played with Blair before?

I've played one game with Blair, Puppy, Midway, and Dunn before (Mini 2141)

@Nosferatu Why are you pushing for voting out someone who just got replaced right before deadline? Care to offer any reads on anyone else?

replacement is NAI

the slot is scum so i have no need for further reads

[Nosferatu]

i don't mind a no lynch we get odd numbers so i don't really see a reason to switch votes

[Nosferatu]

Anyone who is opposed to Dunn today: Please explain in what way he has helped the town

one day ur dialogue tree will expand past 1 level deep critical thinking

[Nosferatu]

should policy lynch you for thinking lurking on its own is AI

[Nosferatu]

so our kill for the day is gonna be bc "well he's not doing much anyway"

nice

[Nosferatu]

if that's my fate

[Nosferatu]

so our kill for the day is gonna be bc "well he's not doing much anyway"

One of common tells that someone is member of mafia is their lack of motivation to scumhunt. People, which are spoiled have to pretend that they are trying to figure out the enemy and genuine engagement is slightly more exhausting for them.

this wagon is policy entirely policy don't even try to say otherwise

[Nosferatu]

i find town having a vig unlikely tbh
don't games this size have 2 scum

[Nosferatu]

so our kill for the day is gonna be bc "well he's not doing much anyway"

nice

I mean you have been giving no reads or input on anyone else except the one person that you've been tunneling all day with no support. I offered you the opportunity to say what other reads you've had and thus far you've refused to give any.

If you think a competing wagon is better, you are free to speak up, say so, and explain why.

I understand that lurking/inactivity is not a scumtell by itself, which is why my read of the BM slot hasn't really been affected by day 2 actions. It's more that Dunn's contributions have not been substantive or helpful, and at times have been harmful

I am working to consider the points in Dunn's favor as well as points against. What I see is one or two points against and none for

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Dunn

there's like one scum left why would i need more reads?
i'll re-evaluate if i'm wrong

[Nosferatu]

lmao hammering at L-2 haven't seen that one

[Nosferatu]

lmao well someone voted r2r

[Nosferatu]

i think someone from the dunn wagon had to switch under the terms and conditions tho tuff

[Nosferatu]

the claim was pretty ballsy im ngl i feel like enough ppl townread battle mage to where u could've just rode that wave