Open 791 | Forest Fire | Game Over

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I'm really glad this slot is a Tree.
I wasn't sure I was going to be one when I was looking at clidd's posts but I can relax a lot more now, being chopped down day 1 isn't all bad. Not that I plan to be but just saying!

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Is the game fun to read through?

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Is that a joke because we're in a forest or is there a lot of text to read?

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Knowing I can still post after being chopped down is really comforting, it means me reading through doesn't go to waste no matter what happens so I'll probably do it anyway.

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Sorry! I also like fireworks if that helps.

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yes, yes, do you have a PT with imagery of them?

Yes! There's all this fire here and I'm asking the mod to post more works.

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I'm slightly interested in how you used two posts to reiterate the fact you're a tree and don't need to be worried about getting eliminated -- if you're an experienced player, then trying to forge a newbie townslip by claiming tree immediately would probably be the way to go

i just-- you realize that trees are stumped after death, meaning you don't have to worry about wasting time on a reread since you'll always be helpful. you clearly know what you're talking about

wouldn't you then also have realized that trees shouldn't claim?

I've played more than 5 games so I wouldn't call myself a newb. I think you're being rude to the firefighter who could be me since they're also a Tree at heart.

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This is a Hectic alt until I have proof it's not a Hectic alt

Nope! I'll give you 2 more guesses.

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I want to give my opinions all in one big huge post but only if everyone promises to read it.

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Day 1:

Everyone seems friendly here in the Forest Fire. I dunno why the village is called that seems a lil ominous to me but there's been no fires so far. Isis resonated some feelings of Treeness when she reacted to my entrance so I like her already because she seemed honestly frustrated at her scumread maybe being wrong. MT asking me about slipping on being a Tree also seemed like a good question and she thought I was a newb, can you believe that!? I said I would give everything in one humongous post but let's be honest that was optimistic to do in one sitting from the start.

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Here goes nothing!

I dreamt i was an arsonist..

was really scary. Fortunately for me, it lasted only for a moment!

hi Ydrasse hi Mena hi Pine hi Dunny hi Gamma hi Guilty hi clidd ! !!!!!!!!!!

My initial thought is to townread this but then I realize it's because of gambler's fallacy and I shouldn't.

Hi everyone, lovely to see you all on this blessed day. To introduce myself, I thought I’d share some pictures of my favourite things, beautiful trees!

Spoiler: Lovely trees

Spoiler: Look at this big beautiful specimen

Spoiler: A darling willow

Spoiler: More lovely trees

Spoiler: Pacific Northwest trees are especially beautiful

This post made me laugh.

Since this post is gonna be humongous I shouldn't make too many comments about things that don't matter.

i did change my avi a bit ago!

and i simply do not think she is ATTRACTIVE tyvm!!! that tree has a winter complexion and is trying to pull off autumn!

I love it! I just think you're likely slightly more likely to be scum than anyone else who's posted so far

There's a lot of energy in that post! I agree with Menalque that she could be fakin it or she's just really excited to play.

I actually rolled scum in the original roll of this setup and it was very scary indeed!

VOTE: Farren
did you roll scum again?

Nope. As much as I would have enjoyed conspiring with you, I definitely breathed a sigh of relief when I saw the re-roll.

Then MT was lying about getting arsonist the first time around. I dunno about that...
Could it be the reason there was a re-roll is because there were 3 arsonists?

honestly after one game together i was just picking you because your name was familiar and i was excited to play together again LOL. you think too highly of my Logical Processing.

Town vibes from the honesty here.

Also I'm not going to play this by geriatric rules exactly but can someone try to tell me if I start hitting over 15 posts a (real life) day because I don't wanna make it unbearable for Pine who I've missed and who I know won't appreciate too much spam

I'm just excited for now though

Also town vibes from this, even though I think these kind of requests are never granted by other players. Maybe it's a lil scummy then because does Menalque actually expect this to be granted realistically? The sentiment is still town though.

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Then MT was lying about getting arsonist the first time around. I dunno about that...

Well so were you lying about this?

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no

I'm pretty sure the error was that there was 3 scum. GL and I both had Farren as our partner. that's why i made the face at farren during my RVS vote (・ω<)

Right then! My theory was right.

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Then MT was lying about getting arsonist the first time around. I dunno about that...

Well so were you lying about this?

Why does it matter if they were lying about what they got last run

Because lying about it would be weird. I dunno maybe if she's scum she thinks it makes us think she's town this time because people are vulnerable to gambler's fallacy.

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Spoiler:

i will return tomorrow a fire extinguisher

Ok but return as a CO2 one please the foam ones are very messy.

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Wow surprised that the bandwagon on me is all gone! I think I overestimated the confidence of peoples votes on me.

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yoink

Why did you yoink this post when you already had the top post already with the fire extinguisher?

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80: I like this post from Morning Tweet and the way she turns in the middle of it.
90: I think this means this what Ydrasse is doing or trying to do since she's thinking about it? Town vibes.
98: I love when people hold onto reads like this and I think it's towny thinking.
104: This opinion I don't like and I think it's a lil forced because scum can have fake confidence like Gamma showed all the time.
112: Don't like this from Gamma because there's like no way to expand on that haha.
113: I think Farren having a perfect explanation for ALL of GuiltyLion's points is a bad sign and like he feels the need to have one for everything when it'd be ok if some stuff was fluff like townies usually have.
119: Exactly what I mean in Farren, Morning Tweet! But why don't you just call him out on it instead of mentioning it in this shady way?

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VOTE: tea leaves

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I have more posts than Dunnstral, Pine and Gamma Gamma Emerald already.

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Yeah that probably helped! You should try doing that too.

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Tree is the word I was using for being a townie Tweet! I wasn't claiming my role.

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Town doesnt really need to do that other than for WIFOM I guess which is what they claimed to be doing. So idk.

No that's not what I was trying to do. I was just claiming I was a townie and Tree is the flavor for townies in this game.

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What happens when you become conftown Farren? Do you change your avi to a cat one?

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I want to make some reads and analyzing everything was taking too long so I'm just quickly reading everything and then gonna post them.

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Farren ignored my question.

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What happens when you become conftown Farren? Do you change your avi to a cat one?

I don't know what an Inquisitor means.

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VOTE: tea leaves

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Tree of Life

Isis - Menalque was constantly posting townie things and trying to get into people's heads and learn more about them. Isis also looks like she's just writing down her thoughts as they come to her naturally.

Giant Sequoia

Ydrasse - Town vibes all around. Her friendly tone and energy I thought looked a lil fakey at first but then I realized she'd probably be scared of appearing that way if she was scum and after looking through her meta I was right that she doesn't show it as scum but does as a townie sometimes.

Cherry Blossom

Farren - I can't really tell. I think all of his talking about his own meta is townie but his seriousness and tone makes me feel uneasy.
Morning Tweet - She has townie moments but some of her reads and approaches to suspecting people look like she's trying not to step on toes even while criticizing stuff.

Yellow Cacti

Gamma Emerald - 112 I dislike because maybe he felt obliged to ask for more even though what else is he looking for after that explanation? He came in later to ask some questions but didn't give a lot of opinions of his own.
Dunnstral - Doesn't seem to care and is self aware of that just need more. 304 I disliked as his only thing to say when he came in and it feels weird?

Weeping Tree

GuiltyLion - Feels off to me and haven't seen anything that gives me townie vibes. Some of his reads don't look real like the early one on Gamma.

Pine

Pine - Pine.

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I looked at her scum games and also at her 2 or 3 most recent town ones.
She's just a lot more serious and less fluffy and casual when she plays as scum.

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Ok

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I'd prefer tea or water.

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Are you not a fan of tea or water?
VOTE: Gamma Emerald

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Or maybe you really really like Pepsi.

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VOTE: Isis

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You broke my browser. There is no doubt in my mind that you are scum and trying to stop me in my tracks.

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Ok I refreshed and it's fine now.

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No not really! I tend to stay in one place briefly and then stay at another place for a while.

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I stay in the ground as a seed briefly and then remain in the air as a tree trunk and branches for a while. Busted!

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Nothing I could say is definitely scummy Ydrasse! But just reads I disagree with and maybe that's a sign of him being scum?

I townread Gamma, I think that's my strongest read right now

@Menalque - I don't think 70 is likely to come from scum, that's a really aggressive/call-attention-to-yourself way to defend somebody.

I didn't like the early read on Gamma here.

so I see where you're coming from here, but I'm not sure he'd try to bring it up pre-emptively though. that feels a little brave as scum

clidd could also just want to play like that while being scum so there's nothing brave about it if it's honest.

Personally, my town-lock on him is basically due to the depth of thought that he had about my meta, which sounded to me as extremely genuine.

how do you think scum!Menalque would approach your slot, his thoughts about your meta have nothing to do with his alignment. this is a bs reason for a townread and I especially don't like that it comes right after he softened up on you

VOTE: clidd

A lil bit too strongly opinionated here because I think Menalque going above and beyond for the meta is townie thinking because it shows intent to solve clidd and I don't think it's really a bs reason.

My read on Menalque is valid to me, I don't think he would go that deeper to understand my meta.

maybe can you explain which posts/points were deeper than scum!Menalque could or would post?

I think if you're saying "why would he go through the effort" I can better understand that read, but it read to me like you initially said it was the genuine-ness that made it town.

Is there really that much difference in effort to meta and genuineness to solve clidd?

I also don't vibe with scumreads on the two lowest activity slots on the basis of PoE here, it's very likely that one of the more active posters is scum trying to establish a good foothold in the game

I think clidd was getting town vibes from most of the active posters which is why he was looking at the lurkers. I think that was a fair opinion at that point and GuiltyLion is looking at it from an overview sense and saying 1 scum is probably actively posting to try and get a foothold. But saying that without a reason is the thing I don't like because he didn't ask clidd about his reads on all of the active posters and just tried to beat him in argument off likelihood. I dunno if that makes sense.

There! That's everything that felt off to me but I'm not even confident that me disagreeing with him means he's scum.

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VOTECOUNT 1.3

[1] tea leaves :

Isis

[1] Isis :

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That's right MT! This just means we really townread each other.

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My first town experience with GL, he locktowned me early and we mindmelded quite a lot. My second, I couldn't figure out if it was him or someone else who was scum and sadly I chose incorrectly. So no help from past games.

In the game you chose incorrectly was he scum or town? And why isn't that help you can compare how he is to those games maybe.

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I guess the Lion and Dunnstral are my picks for the arsonist right now because Gamma's last few posts were ok.
VOTE: GuiltyLion

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Ok MT. I like the opinion on Dunnstral and I agree with a lot of them.
I think I already did in my read list Gamma or did you want more?

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Unsure if it really made Guilty think clidd was scummy. The bolded sentence ever so slightly felt like overdoing it. I think that clidd reciprocating a townread isn't something he's more likely to do as scum. Of course I could possibly see town!Guilty disagreeing with me on that, totally. But i do wonder if maybe this is a fake push

I really like this part it's exactly what I was thinking about that bolded part too.

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I guess the Lion and Dunnstral are my picks for the arsonist right now because Gamma's last few posts were ok.
VOTE: GuiltyLion

What about Gamma's posts were okay?

Tonally they just seemed good I guess they didn't feel fake.

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Tonally they just seemed good I guess they didn't feel fake.

Hard to argue with tone. But I'm definitely not seeing it. Can you elaborate?

Not really! I did just say ok it's not like I can really explain it properly.

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Let me know what you thought of my thoughts on why GuiltyLion feels off to me when you can Ydrasse. Do you think I'm onto something here?

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I was typing out a reply and then my phone died :O

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Oh hey look the reply I was typing is still here.

So that's why GuiltyLion didn't like you for that! Because you were townreading clidd but left your vote on him for ages which is a bit weird even if it was one from rvs.
I think scum Guilty will be trying to look townie and pushing someone for what he thinks are good reasons is a way to do that but I don't think they are though. Town Guilty could just be trying to start something because nothing is happe

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ning but the confidence and reasons were still icky.

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Those positions make sense for Dunnstral and Pine.

I do not understand your townread on Gamma Emerald. I liked 70 and 77. You initially mentioned your read of Gamma in 99; I can see a townread at that point. Has anything since then influenced it?

Farren asks a weird question over here because he's asking about this townread saying he doesn't understand it despite saying he liked and agreed with mentions of it precious.

GuiltyLion posts recently looked better to me so now I'll go for Dunnstral or Farren. To make things interesting I'll vote Farren.
VOTE: Farren

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Why do people keep asking me these difficult questions!
Ydrasse I think there's targets and pressure on Dunnstral already so I am adding some to my second target instead.
Gamma I liked his explanations and new thoughts.

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Happy Birthday, Dannflor! I'll mine for you even if Isis won't. What are you looking for? Emeralds or some granite?

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I just felt like voting Farren Ydrasse.
Maybe it's because I believe Farren is scum a little more than Dunnstral but I guess I didn't think through this logic you're saying.
Dunnstral doesn't look like he responds to pressure anyway though so I think my vote might be more useful.

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I would never roll scum...that's just plain rude and disrespectful. I'd be upfront with everyone if I was scum honest.

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Yes I would admit I'm scum and hope everyone thought I was joking because townies claim scum sometimes.

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*raises eyebrow*

Which one?

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Ok but why do you think I'm scum Isis? I can probably address it.

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I explained it as best I could I just felt like voting Farren because I recently saw something from him I disliked and was

feelin

it.

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It's not black and white in my mind Ydrasse. I can't say I scumread one more than the other but yes that is something from him I disliked and influenced my vote.
I thought you were townreading me!

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I'm sorry if I wasn't playing optimally but I don't think I should be scummy for that! It was just a spur of the moment decision that you're looking into too much.

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I have a friend who's spent probably around $1000 on the sims in dlc.
I knew to stay away after that.

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Honestly I can't say I scumread one more than the other right now in my head. They just both have a chance to be scum in my mind.
If I looked over them again I could probably tell you one.

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i can't even imagine a main for tea

You still have 2 guesses!

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also didn't you just say that you scumread farren a little more than dunn?

I said

maybe

I did at the time of the vote but the better way of describing it is that I was just feeling the vote more.

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No this is town spew because I'm explaining everything without a filter and everyone else will townread this you'll see.

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But I feel better about both of you being town from this.
Ydrasse's vote is really sudden but I think if she was scum she would bother to justify it more or not vote so early and make the progression look more natural, also I think she's strongly town so why try and remove my vote?
Isis feels like she really believes in this.

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What does this mean?

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Day 3

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I had a rough day at the Forest Fire today. Isis and Ydrasse were picking on me and Ydrasse even said I sounded like someone who spoke in garbled nonsense and expressed emotions with emoticons over my head, that stung a lil bit. Still I think they had good intentions. I've been settling in ok otherwise and even grew my first clover today! I realized it was a 1 leaf one...I'm going to build up from here and hope for a 2 leaf one tomorrow.

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I decided Fuko would be the symbol for my love of omgus in 473.

VOTE: Isis

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No wait you're going to think I'm scummy for not wanting to pressure Farren.

VOTE: Farren

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Do they grow clovers?

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No wait you're going to think I'm scummy for not wanting to pressure Farren.

VOTE: Farren

Does that concern you?

Yes!

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Hi Bell!

VOTE: Dunnstral

Isis is really wrong but I can't think of what else to say to her to convince her against the reason for why she's voting me.

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Ydrasse could you go over why you still think I'm scum after everything I said? If I was scum I would just fake some nice sounding logic for why I voted Farren rather than try and be completely honest with what I was thinking back then which is what you and Isis don't like.
I'm thinking about if I should omgus you or not.

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Yes I would admit I'm scum and hope everyone thought I was joking because townies claim scum sometimes.

This is what is called a trust tell
Don’t do this.

I was just joking!
If I was scum I would just ace you all brutally.

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Sorry I meant I would ace you all gracefully.
I would rather not get voted out but it doesn't bother me that that much.
I'm not very confident in my scumreads because they're not strong ones but I am confident in some of my townreads.
You and your predecessor have just both seemed very genuine.
(This is to Isis)

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I was joking about that Gamma!
Obviously I wouldn't say I'm scum if I'm scum.

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I don't really know what else to say I was responding to Isis for why she's scumreading me.
I'm trying to be as transparent as possible but maybe that's backfiring somehow.

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Day 5:

Ok so it's not looking good. It looks like 3 of the trees (who might not even be trees and could be arsonists in disguise!) inside Forest Fire want to chop me down :/
I guess I am a weird kind of Tree a bit erratic and all over the place but that's how I work. Maybe a lil like this Juniper tree.



It's ok though. I have a contingency plan if I am forced into the tree stumped lifestyle and I'm already gathering a collection of cool trees to post as motivational support if they chop me down.

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tea leaves do you think scum is pushing you?

I think you're town.
I townlean Gamma.
Ydrasse I townread but now I'm trying to figure out if my Farren vote was really so scummy that she would flip a townread into a top target scumread based on that. The reasons she's said don't justify that so I'm a lil confused.
Still think she's probably town over scum I guess but not as sure now.

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I could but I'm not telling you my main anyway so do you still want it?

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Ok I think the thing I've done this game which I really struggle to do as scum is be really transparent with my thought process and post in a stream of consciousness way.
It's really easy for me to post like this as town and I feel free about doing it but as scum it's all faked so it's exhausting and I'm never really happy with it and it looks kinda fake I think.
I've been on no filter mode for like most of this game I think.

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Strong town lean: isis, tea leaves.

You shouldn't put us in the same pool because Isis doesn't want to be friends

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I tried making a read list but it's so hard. I can't decide who I like and dislike. Like I like Ydrasse but her flip on me is so weird!!! And I like Morning but I keep getting weird feelings of paranoia from her positioning and non confrontational nature. Same with Farren he does some good solving but sometimes it just looks fake in a way.
If I had to do it just based on my leafy gut.

Isis

Morning Tweet
Bell
Farren

GuiltyLion
Ydrasse
Gamma

Dunnstral

That looks so wrong but whatever.

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Hmmmm I should drop Farren a tier and put him below GuiltyLion maybe

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Ydrasse could you go over why you still think I'm scum after everything I said? If I was scum I would just fake some nice sounding logic for why I voted Farren rather than try and be completely honest with what I was thinking back then which is what you and Isis don't like.
I'm thinking about if I should omgus you or not.

i mean, for the most part the way that you voted + the weird way you described it made me vote you; it seemed super out of place in comparison to what you were posting. i'm not convinced completely that you're scum but seeing that made me go !!!! in a bad way.

why do you feel like you have to announce it like that tho?

I wasn't really satisfied by this Ydrasse! Could you explain it a little more than just feelings? I'm trying to understand why you thought it was scummy even after my explanations.

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Same with Farren he does some good solving but sometimes it just looks fake in a way.

If you think of "unfiltered" as genuine, then this is understandable.

Why are you filtering yourself?

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@clidd - I think the couple of issues I have with Farren are that a few of his questions don't seem likely to advance the game in a useful way and are either blendy or stirring things - mainly 20 and 72. I also think the soft defense of Ydrasse may be a WK

Purpose of 20 - an excuse for engaging clidd, specifically. I think I'm going to need extra interactions with him to be able to read him properly.
Purpose of 72 - I didn't like the confidence level that 70 implied - at least if the post was sincere. But I did like the ... brashness, I guess? I was trying to figure out a way to divorce the two, figure out which is more indicative. Based on Gamma's answer, I'd say the brashness - which is a small plus.

As far as defending Ydrasse goes: describing her as "Friendly" was not a defense. It was more a probe on Menalque to see if he was advocating for "Friendly = Scummy," - which he was not. The only other post - 62 - yes, that's a small plus to Ydrasse, as it's something I'd noticed as well. Why would you think that constitutes white knighting?

So if I'm getting this right, you asked clidd the question about his opening in 20 with the explicit purpose of getting extra interactions with him?

And not just that, but describing Ydrasse as friendly was actually to see whether or not Mena was equivocating friendly with scummy.

...i wish i had that much direction in my opening posts

Cold and calculating is how I play. At least up until something clicks and I go full-bore Inquisitor. Usually coincides with becoming conf-town, if and when that happens. One of the reasons I prefer Open or semi-Open setups, and part of the reason I signed up to play this setup in particular.

I actually rolled scum in the original roll of this setup and it was very scary indeed!

VOTE: Farren
did you roll scum again?

Nope. As much as I would have enjoyed conspiring with you, I definitely breathed a sigh of relief when I saw the reroll.

This was stuff that I found fake early on. I gotta run so this'll have to do!

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I see Ydrasse! You see splitting the pressure between two wagons as scummy but I don't at all and do that as town all the time. Both of my scumreads being pressured at the same time is a good thing.

Uh whoops.
Don't spill the beans

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What about my avatar
Don't you want to know where it's from?

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Glad you asked!
Pokémon Red and Blue

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Do you want to know mine?

I do. Where's it from?

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Glad you asked!
Pokémon Red and Blue

burn all liars?

Oh sorry I meant Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Time & Explorers of Darkness

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Glad you asked!
Pokémon Red and Blue

burn all liars?

Oh sorry I meant Pokémon Mystery Dungeon Explorers of Time & Explorers of Darkness

VOTE: tea leaves

I like your avatar

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I have evolved

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haha ur in a pot cuz ur a plant ahahahaaha

...I don't think I'll be able to focus again until after dunn's claim and/or flip

Exactly! Do you see any other plant avis?
I thought not.

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Do it.
I dare you.

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Gamma locktree

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fire orbs

Stay away from me arsonist



Pedit: That goes to Farren too

Isis + Farren
It is done

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@Dannflor

: Where's your avatar from? It's ok if you stole it from Spiffybringer but I'm going to have to tell them.

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The Day 1 deadline is in: (expired on 2020-08-27 01:04:14)

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Did you stop scumreading me, Isis?

It's the leafeon avatar, isn't it? I'll switch to something else if it's having an unfair effect on game balance.

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tea leaves used Petal Dance!
Isis is confused!
Isis lost all her PP in her confusion!

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Don't Struggle, it's not worth the recoil damage

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Yes...

You better not do what I think you're going to do

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The disrespect. I was at the very least hoping for a Nest Ball...

As long as you don't drug me up with X-items I'm okay with this

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Wait, Nest Ball is NOT the one I meant. The grass themed one

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high pitched grumbling sounds

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VOTE: Gamma

I'd heavily prefer Gamma over Ydrasse too. Join us, Ydrasse!!!

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It's probably something like GuiltyLion + Farren though

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VOTE: Gamma

I'd heavily prefer Gamma over Ydrasse too. Join us, Ydrasse!!!

Why?

Speaking off of tone I guess. Ydrasse's seemed somewhat genuine mostly

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It's probably something like GuiltyLion + Farren though

Really? Why?

@Pedit: Heh, RC was around back then. I played with him 2-3 times.

They're my gut scumleans which I can't articulate into reasons/a case.

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Farren flashwagon anyone? I have a dream.

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I suddenly townread GuiltyLion for that hammer pic

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GuiltyLion pushing me for weak VCA is pretty par for the course for what I expected scum!him to do here. As Morning mentioned, it's pretty easy to tell I'm on both wagons because it naturally follows from my earlier reads.

VOTE: GuiltyLion

What did you want to talk about, Farren?

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PEdit: Ah, good timing. To start with: did you do anything with regards to the game during N1?

Nope!

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Also, if scum|GuiltyLion goes after you with VCA, what would you expect Town|GuiltyLion to do?

A push on someone that's a whole lot more substantial and reasonable than whatever this is.

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Also, if scum|GuiltyLion goes after you with VCA, what would you expect Town|GuiltyLion to do?

A push on someone that's a whole lot more substantial and reasonable than whatever this is.

I don't feel like you've given a lot of thoughts to my motives here

Do you still like the reasoning for your vote, given the readlist Morning pointed out?

[tea leaves]

PEdit: Ah, good timing. To start with: did you do anything with regards to the game during N1?

Nope!

Is that your normal style of play when you're a VT or equivalent? Take a break from the game and relax?

Yeah, I very rarely reread stuff over the night.

[tea leaves]

As Morning mentioned, it's pretty easy to tell I'm on both wagons because it naturally follows from my earlier reads.

this is also kinda silly reasoning to defend yourself as town, scum are going to make sure their reads align with their votes

I'm interested in seeing whether a wagon on you here can get off the ground given it swung away twice yesterday

No, it's the fact you're using the the reasoning that I was on both wagons to support your argument. It labels me as opportunistic, when that's not the case since those were my bottom two scumreads.

[tea leaves]

Also, I was wagoned to 3 or 4 votes yesterday a couple of times, so confused by that reasoning too.

[tea leaves]

A push on someone that's a whole lot more substantial and reasonable than whatever this is.

Do you think there's a strong case to be made against anyone right now?

Not a strong case, no. There might be if I looked through stuff again.

GuiltyLion doesn't feel like he's pushing me in good faith here though.

[tea leaves]

Dunn wagon at L-1:

Dunnstral - 4 (Morning Tweet, GuiltyLion, tea leaves, Ydrasse)
Unofficial, blame me for errors.

Gamma wagon:

VOTECOUNT 1.FINAL

Mountains

[5] Gamma Emerald :

Dunnstral, Bell, tea leaves, Isis, GuiltyLion

tea leaves is on both and was a counter wagon to both - is anybody hard townreading them?

I mean, I don't think I'm missing anything here?

You're voting me because I was on both wagons, and letting the reader draw the conclusions of why that makes me scum (opportunism/survivalism) - except you leave out or don't consider the detail I scumread those two throughout before the wagons on them existed, and it was natural for my progression to vote them.

[tea leaves]

Also, did my wagon manifest before or after each of those wagons? Which way was the counter I mean.

[tea leaves]

@tea leaves

if I'm town

what do you think scum is doing right now

If you're town, it's something like Farren + Ydrasse. I'm bad at these overarching gamestate questions, but: One of them pushes me, the other probably pushes Morning Tweet or you maybe?

[tea leaves]

lol this is an interrogation. At least post some cute cat/bat pictures while you're at it

[tea leaves]

Bell, I individually townread both of you. You're just very genuine in tone and progressions. Isis is for similar reasons. Honestly though, when I say it out loud like that, I realise I'm townreading Isis for really bad reasons and should probably reread her.

Farren, if GuiltyLion is scum, then I look for his partner since we would need to get them to win. I can't exactly remember who's been pushing who though, and don't think it's a good use of time to look for preflip associations.

[tea leaves]

lol this is an interrogation. At least post some cute cat/bat pictures while you're at it

You don’t do well with pressure. Is that typical for you as town/scum?

Nah, I'm fine with pressure. I just find this somewhat funny.

[tea leaves]

<3

You have replenished your quota and may proceed with the questioning

[tea leaves]

Interrogation is one possible viewpoint. But there's another possible viewpoint as well.

I don't usually post pictures during the game. There are rare exceptions, but I don't think any of them are likely to come into play here.

Okay, so, Farren; I played with you in your last game here. You took the game seriously in a similar way, but you also joked around some and felt more casual. Is there a reason for this change?

[tea leaves]

lol this is an interrogation. At least post some cute cat/bat pictures while you're at it

You don’t do well with pressure. Is that typical for you as town/scum?

Nah, I'm fine with pressure. I just find this somewhat funny.

You seemed kinda panicked when ydrasse pushed you.

Could you quote the posts where I did?

[tea leaves]

I wasn't really arguing for a Farren+Ydrasse team there from associations, those were just my bottom 2 scumreads excluding GuiltyLion.

[tea leaves]

Happy day!!!

[tea leaves]

Ah, this is gonna sound weird but I was kinda faking my tone before I alt-slipped (for the sake of concealing my identity). I stopped bothering after that.

[tea leaves]

Interrogation is one possible viewpoint. But there's another possible viewpoint as well.

I don't usually post pictures during the game. There are rare exceptions, but I don't think any of them are likely to come into play here.

Okay, so, Farren; I played with you in your last game here. You took the game seriously in a similar way, but you also joked around some and felt more casual. Is there a reason for this change?

I don't remember you in any of my previous games - was it as a different player? Which game were you in?

Whether or not I joke around is mostly a mood thing, I'd say. If I'm in a good mood, I'm more likely to do stuff like that. That'll vary on a day-to-day basis - although it can be affected by the game itself. Right now, for example, I'm trying to focus myself to get over that "lost and adrift" bit I mentioned earlier. I'm also realizing that I need to stop posting here and do some stuff that doesn't involve the computer. Reality rears its ugly head again. So will resume this later.

Yeah, I was Hectic in that game. And alright.

[tea leaves]

[tea leaves]

Okay, I think I'm around about here (very gutsy readlist):

Isis
Morning
Bell
Farren
Ydrasse
GuiltyLion

[tea leaves]

So how’d the reread of isis go, and why do you think MT is town?

Ydrasse, farren, Morning.

I haven't done it yet

In due time.

Morning is a... complicated read. I also need to reread her. I'm currently just interacting in real-time and don't really have the energy to go back and reread stuff. I'll do it at some point.

[tea leaves]

*:]

[tea leaves]

I am doing fantastically. Trudging through Danganronpa 3 rn. I know Isis is gonna be sus of me for having arms to play it, but she'd be surprised at what some Trees can do...

Where you flying to?

[tea leaves]

First trial was amazing. I saw it coming from all the foreshadowing though!

Good luck with that stuff. Don't forget to bring a couple fruit vendors with you just in case you need them.

[tea leaves]

Why are you voting Hobbes with me if you agree, Morning?

[tea leaves]

*aren't you

[tea leaves]

I feel like I’m not gonna be very useful going forward :/

Are you still reading?

[tea leaves]

So you don't believe in your initial reasons to vote me, Guilty?

[tea leaves]

VOTE: guiltylion

ty for the well wishes today guys <3

This L-1 vote is seriously bad, Guilty is right. Not convinced yet that they're not bussing each other though.

VOTE: Ares

[tea leaves]

VOTE: Ydrasse

[tea leaves]

There were several who had them both as their bottom 2 scumreads; at that point bussing is the smart thing to do.

[tea leaves]

VOTECOUNT 1.8

Flares

[4] Gamma Emerald :

Dunnstral, Bell, tea leaves, Isis

[3] tea leaves :

Farren, Ydrasse, Gamma Emerald

[1] Ydrasse :

GuiltyLion

[1] Not Voting :

Morning Tweet

With 9 in play, it takes 5 votes to exile.

The Day 1 deadline is in: (expired on 2020-08-28 01:03:10)

VOTECOUNT 1.FINAL

Mountains

[5] Gamma Emerald :

Dunnstral, Bell, tea leaves, Isis, GuiltyLion

[3] tea leaves :

Farren, Ydrasse, Gamma Emerald

[1] Not Voting :

Morning Tweet

With 9 in play, it takes 5 votes to exile.

The Day 1 deadline is in: (expired on 2020-08-28 01:03:10)

What happened between these two VCs, Farren? I'm asking you because maybe you've already done the research and I'm too lazy to do it.

[tea leaves]

Only because I love you <3

[tea leaves]

I don't like that Ydrasse pops in on page 12 and doesn't really bother to comment about clidd at all

idk I like tea leaves entrance, especially the point about Isis reaction to it being genuine - I had some reservations about Menalque/Isis slot but I think that read on it makes sense

VOTE: Ydrasse
I don't feel she's actually trying to solve

@Isis - yes she did, she readily gave a read on MT when prompted

overall I think I'm like here

{Isis, MT}
{tea leaves, Gamma}
{Bell, Farren}
{Dunn, Ydrasse}

Isis I'm not following 600, what's the inconsistency there

because there's more interest in Dunn right now, I pushed Ydrasse for a good ~500 posts and like three different people have her as hardtown

I'd happily go back to Ydrasse in a heartbeat if you want to start that up again

I'm not the firefighter

VOTE: Ydrasse

Hmm, maybe this isn't distancing. The first Ydrasse vote is a lone one, and quite risk-free. The second one is the second onto her, but Gamma/I were also viable wagons towards the end there, AND Guilty would look really bad if he decided to vote Gamma/I over Ydrasse given the earlier readlist.

Hum de dum

[tea leaves]

I just realised I considered the fact it's not distancing but then provided arguments for why it could be distancing.

It could be distancing.

[tea leaves]

Morning's heavy shift on her Isis read is very interesante.

[tea leaves]

tree

Bell, tea leaves, Farren
-=============-
Isis, GuiltyLion, Ydrasse

arsonist

Be cool if they were distancing though cause then Isis would indeed be town like I want her to be and also I am REALLY not sure who above the line would be arsonist rn.

I need more consideration, but tea leaves, Bell, and Farren have all felt really good today. Probably tea leaves the most let me try to expand it

tea leaves
Bell
Farren
-=============-
Isis
GL/Ydrasse ?

Lol if you turn this upside-down it sort of looks like my d1 reads. Fuck

Are these overall reads or D2 reads?

[tea leaves]

I'm gonna go looking for your towntell and then report back

[tea leaves]

Morning has committed half-towntells. The question is whether she's transcended and now commits them as scum. What even is your last scumgame, Morning? All the way back to Zoey?

[tea leaves]

A new challenger has entered

|O|X|O|
|_|X|O|
|_|O|Y|

[tea leaves]

Interesting move from Ydrasse there opting to

pass

her turn. Let's see how the board will develop

|O|X|O|
|_|X|O|
|_|O|Y|Y|

[tea leaves]

Do you think you'd tryhard as scum or try and manipulate your meta?

[tea leaves]

Had to think very carefully about this next move. Gamestate is very precarious right now, it's gonna break wide open, I can feel it

|O|X|O|
|_|X|O|
|_|O|Y|Y|Z|
|_|_|_|
|_|_|_|
|_|Y|_|

[tea leaves]

Ouch, using me against myself

I forgot you caught me earlier

[tea leaves]

You've done *half-towntells* which you haven't really done as scum either, but a *full towntell* would make me feel more secure. That said, you're probably just town.
own.

[tea leaves]

crown.

[tea leaves]

That vote shouldn't count. That's like voting Morning Tweet with VOTE: Claw

[tea leaves]

Thinking about associations is making my head hurt. I think Guilty's sporadic posting is quite scum-indicative for him. Like, he has little interest for this game but forces himself to post in bursts every so often.

Ydrasse, could you explain why you put Guilty on L-1 so early?

[tea leaves]

I don't recall anyone making a serious TvT case between you and Ydrasse.

hah I mean when you put it that way it sounds ridiculous doesn't it

Why though? Scum are less likely to call it TvT if it is, and might if their partner is in a SvT, so it's less likely by that metric.
Do you trust everyone's collective reads so much?

Ydrasse's lack of WIM today means she's just scum though. We should liberate her.

[tea leaves]

I could see Bell+Ydrasse. Voting together like this would be weird, but I don't know where else scum!Bell pivots to other than bussing her.

I'm here now:

Isis
Farren
Morning
Bell / GuiltyLion
Ydrasse

Bell and GuiltyLion are giving me mixed signals. Logically, I want to say Hobbes is scummier, but gut-wise I'm actually getting more pings from Bell.

[tea leaves]

I don't feel great about GuiltyLion still but Ydrasse hasn't given me a reason to think she's town today. She just feels somewhat defeated.

[tea leaves]

could see Bell+Ydrasse. Voting together like this would be weird, but I don't know where else scum!Bell pivots to other than bussing her.

wdym

Like, where does Bell vote other than Guilty if he's partners with Ydrasse? He can't exactly pivot to me given him townreading me.

[tea leaves]

could see Bell+Ydrasse. Voting together like this would be weird, but I don't know where else scum!Bell pivots to other than bussing her.

wdym

Like, where does Bell vote other than Guilty if he's partners with Ydrasse? He can't exactly pivot to me given him townreading me.

this is for this day phase right

Ja

[tea leaves]

Guys, please don't partner me with Ydrasse.
I don't consent to this.

Prove yourself by entering our extended noughts and crosses/tic-tac-toe game.

[tea leaves]

_	_	_	_	_
_	X	_	_	_
_	_	_	_	_
_	_	_	Z	_
_	_	_	_	_

underscores will mark untaken squares, players are not locked to X and O, they may use whatever character as long as it's distinct from what others are already using (I just used X because it's a clear marker versus something weird that might confuse people)

[tea leaves]

VOTECOUNT 2.3

The Day 2 deadline is in: (expired on 2020-09-05 23:27:24)

[tea leaves]

(Still think it should be Ydrasse)

Ftr, reads are now:

Isis
Farren
Morning
GuiltyLion
Bell
Ydrasse

[tea leaves]

You have a really cool avatar. I don't think you would pick that avatar as scum.

The main reason is your whole progression and read on me this game has felt very genuine. I can sense there's a lot of levels/depth to it.

[tea leaves]

(expired on 2020-09-05 23:27:24)


Oh wow

[tea leaves]

I do not feel good today.
Ew.

This reaction feels weird

"don't look good today" feels like it should be "don't feel good right now/this moment"

Am I reading too much into this??

[tea leaves]

Sorry, Ares...

You're probably not trolling because surely there'd be some cursed images dropped if you were

[tea leaves]

Oh, my bad. Sending you healthy leaves, Bell!

[tea leaves]

o7 Ares

I did a little bit of rereading for once and I think it's Morning or GuiltyLion.

Isis, did Your Nightmare running concurrently to this influence your read on me in any way?

[tea leaves]

Why, Morning?

[tea leaves]

Pretty much same reasons I've given for Guilty the past day. I never ruled out the fact they were bussing (you agreed with my assessment btw).

Isis is complicated...but other than the reasons I gave already, she isn't afraid to bus and is infact bus-heavy usually. I don't think scum!her invites that Ydrasse wagon that was destined for the launch yesterday

[tea leaves]

Only playfully though, right

[tea leaves]

Okay, so this is why I think Morning could be scum. She loves her positioning as scum. Here, she lists strong townreads on Isis and I. She even trusts Isis enough to lower me a little in the first posts (although she positions me back up top for the later readlist). This is fine and all - these are her individual reads.

we're going to eliminate tea leaves, aren't we. and then they're gonna flip scum. SMH

Actually let me order where i'd place my vote

Dunn
>>
Farren/Bell/Gamma -- with a good scum case
>
tea leaves (cuz i trust Isis and we're never getting past this)
>
Ydrasse
>
GuiltyLion
>
Isis

I'm gonna pretend i didn't see that alt slip cause they really had me going that they were a different person this time :C

AGAIN i feel like Ydrasse would be more conscious of how we're viewing her if she's scum. That hop on to the Dunn wagon without giving any detailed analysis as to why she agrees with the Dunn wagon versus other wagons? strange to me considering her scum game

I think if I abolish her meta from my mind, then yes Ydrasse is probably lean scum because she's mostly floating about the place sorta.

also, fwiw regarding morning tweet i remember having a scumread before on her in a previous game because of the way that she approaches things and sort of flits about, offers the townreads that she does, etc; it seemed strange and threw me down a rabbit hole. i don't think that she's acting any different than in the game we played together though and she was town in that one, so.

sometimes i feel like im playing my own game where I locktown as many people as possible for sometimes outlandish reasons, i try to convey it to the thread unsuccessfully, and then it's a coin toss whether I'm right or wrong anyway. Well i don't know, I don't *usually* locktown scum

The townreads I'd be upset about being wrong about at this point (they're probably high-to-medium strength):

Isis (Mena)
-
tea leaves (clidd)
Ydrasse
GuiltyLion

maybe something like that

And about the nonconfrontational thing, that's just me as a person seeping in -- I feel like I'm playing poorly when I get accused of being scum as town, so i have a mental block on doing it to other people if i'm not confident on it actually being true

The scummy thing is how she sets ups her reads to change based on who flips. Like, here:

I'm playing around with the idea that I have way too many townreads because there really is only one scum inside of Bell/tea/Farren/Isis/Guilty, and I'm only avoiding voting Ydrasse because of a false metatell

If Ydrasse is scum here, that probably clears GL/Farren. I still do not think it's Bell. Could Ydrasse be paired with one of tea/Isis perhaps? Isis didn't really have game-related interactions with Ydrasse, just tons of fluffy ones, and tea placed Ydrasse quite high on their readslist initially, dropped her down after a while, but still kept GL/Dunn/Gamma lower and also definitely considered Farren D1.

today Isis joined the Guilty wagon but left quickly after the first sign of it potentially dying came (Dunn townreading GL),

and tea did it even earlier (after Ydrasse naked voted GL). Not super surprising potential behaviour from a partner there

Am I missing anything that could disprove Ydrasse/Isis or Ydrasse/tea?

I don't think a Ydrasse!scum flip should launch her top two townreads into her top two scumreads, I don't believe that's a genuine thought process, and some bussing/non-bussing suggestions should affect her reads so greatly.

Also, regarding the highlighted in orange: She says I voted Ydrasse "even earlier" like this is a suggestion that it's stronger evidence that I'm bussing, when infact it should it be the opposite.

[tea leaves]

i was kinda lurky this game because I spent all my energy going hard bamboozling Dannflor in another micro which is over now

i say kinda lurky but i think my activity and energy was within the bounds of acceptable

but kinda lurky for me

Ah, the classic anti-elitell. You love to see it

[tea leaves]

3 people can die today+tonight but the 4p isn't eLo cause there's no NK.

So 3 cchops left?

This setup seems b roken fir town

yeah, I don't think firefighter is really needed.

[tea leaves]

Okay, I will build some walls for your return

[tea leaves]

VOTE: Guilty

hahah i got a spot on the wagon

This vote is also super strange. It comes after Ydrasse did that scummy L-1 vote on Hobbes, and we all discuss how scummy that is and momentum starts to shift back to Ydrasse from Hobbes. Queue Morning coming in putting Hobbes right back on L-1.

[tea leaves]

To try and articulate while it feels "super strange" is because Morning words it like the wagon is a given that will go through today, when this clearly isn't the case and Ydrasse and Hobbes were both on 3 votes.

[tea leaves]

*why it feels

[tea leaves]

VOTE: Morning

[tea leaves]

Funnily enough, you have half-towntold in this game, but I'm not sure whether I should count those as proper "towntells".

I didn't have that case prepared, no, I wrote it up on the stop.

I probably shouldn't be posting right now, I'm playing voice mafia, will be back later.

[tea leaves]

Agree with Farren actually

[tea leaves]

On day 1, Ydrasse had to vote for the second largest wagon, tea leaves, out of survivalism. They could not have had high hopes during the night phase considering they were the 2nd and 3rd most popular wagons the previous day.

Pushing guilty and then falling back into a bus if they have to sounds just abt right to me. I think after the naked X-1, tea (and this would apply to Isis too sure) made a judgment call to abandon ship

Ydrasse has to bus her scum partner out of survivalism? Think about what you just said there.

For Ydrasse and I to be scum we've both voted each in day phases where the vote made us the leading wagon and was basically the "intent to kill" vote. On D1, there were other viable wagons, Ydrasse doesn't have to bus there. I certainly wouldn't want to be bussed in that situation, and I don't think Ydrasse is the type of player who would want to either.

On D2, Ydrasse was on 2 votes and GuiltyLion was on 4 when I pivoted to Ydrasse. Once again that's the big vote which largely affects who's getting launched. You say Ydrasse had just done her scummy L-1 votex but you forget that you were infact defending this vote and suggesting in places it could be "too scummy to be scum".

[tea leaves]

Funnily enough, you have half-towntold in this game, but I'm not sure whether I should count those as proper "towntells".

Depends if i half town-tell as scum then I suppose

If you're town i guess that means i am evolving (>ω<)

is this a scumslip

Hmm this scumslip is pretty town-indicative actually