Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly

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HEAL: hectic

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HURT: tanner
why would you hurt a puppy?

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Hectic where's the tldr?

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i very much disagree

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[huret]catboi[/hurt]
hectic is a pillar of reliability
he never rolls scum

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HURT: catboi

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if you spare early you also increase the risk of the chara surviving

how do you figure that?
If there are 2 spares chara dies

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fighting a town day 1 is similar to fighting chara on day 1
except if we fight chara scum choose the town that dies so that's worse
so if we fight first it's better to hurt town which is stupid
so we should spare

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if you spare early you also increase the risk of the chara surviving

how do you figure that?
If there are 2 spares chara dies

the only way for the chara to live is 1 spare then one fight right? so an early spare is necessary for scum here

if we commit to sparing twice that's one thing, but if we spare today and then fight tomorrow someone is getting the stinkeye

so we commit to sparing 2
easy

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pooky are you always so lovely?

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HEAL: pooky

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acctually no
HEAL: isis
I want you around longer

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HEAL: pooky

HEAL: pooky
can't say no to that

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have you thought about if the loss deserves us though?

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9/12 * 7/10 * 5/7 * 3/5 = 0.225
4 spares at random

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one of them should be pooky
one of them should be me
one of them should be hectic

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why do we auto win?

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oh wow yea, you're right
i missed that bit
I'm clearly great a reading rules

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but even if we fail to fight Chara and hit a townie, the mafia were all forced to avoid the terrible scenario of Chara being fought, so their flip gives us something to work with. i really think we can hit at least

one

mafia in the ensuing fights.

if everyone is looking in the wrong direction for chara this doesn't help at all though

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Night 4 isn't skipped in 4 fight scenario. It's a town loss.

there's the catch
it is an auto win
but for the mafia

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this conversation has me confuzzled

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this is a game
it's meant to be fun
sparing is the more fun path
we should spare

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the most significant towntell from Pooky so far would be that he apparently did math for this.

i'll look at Tanner in a moment.
i scumread Elements. what do you think about them?

roode

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alternatively, elements could do something really awesome and we could realign into the cute animal avatar townblock alliance supreme

The best thing I have ever made.

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i gave it a like elements <3 v cool

<3

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mechanically 4 spares is sub-optimal but if we don't spare we're basically just playing normal mafia

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hectic who would you spare right now

changing your tune a bit

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you've been all "we must fight" "fighting is the only path" and now you're asking about spares

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so your tune has changed....

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why are you suddenly asking about sparing

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HURT: puppy

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Spoiler:

HURT: elements

HURT: Elements

HURT: elements

HURT: Elements

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@Elements:

In your last Undertale setup game, as town you came out arguing hard against people wanting to go a pacifism route and argued about the downsides it had with regard to the lack of flips from voting. What's different now?

The vast majority of posts have just been about sparing. Only the one saying me, hectic, and pooky should be spared was pacifism indicative.
I also like to think I have matured as a player since then and my play style has changed. But that's self meta so feel free to ignore it

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my first thought upon reading this post was "alright, now to try and emulate my town self that Prism is recognizing so i can keep getting townread."
Undertale S ruined me.

Rlly Hectic?
This is so slimy. It's like a hagfish after tying itself in a knot.
It's autological and I don't like it.

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Spoiler:

thanks isis! sorryr for not bolding

so genocide is just better right? at least to start? sparing has a 1/12 chance of just plain losing the game, fighting has a 1/12 chance of hitting the vengeful but that would help in the Zero spare route and even if we hit town we'll still be setting up more cop clears in the 1-3 route.

yeah, pretty sure killing is just better here. is that a meta-commentary on the game of mafia? we could chose to work together but always end up fighting instead. we could be loving and kind and caring, but... killing is just better anyways. uh, neat. kill on!

One to three : The mafia must choose an unspared player to be publicly investigated for each living mafia. Skip night 4. Return spared players to the game thread. If mafia was spared, the mafia immediately wins if two of its players survive the day 5 decision.
Zero : The mafia must choose two players to be publicly investigated. If Chara was fought, the mafia must choose everyone. Skip night 4.

I think 1-3 could be better in one or two cases. 0 is better if chara gets fought, but 1-3 is better if no scum get eliminated (though that would depend on chara living which is unlikely?) Hm, maybe 0 spares straight up is better

i kind of really want sparing to work, but i just don't think it does

how do you figure that sparing works best in the first two days? that's also when we could spare chara and that's an autoloss. if you spare early you also increase the risk of the chara surviving

also though

hectic who would you spare right now

hm. how would we agree on who gets nominated?

also i was thinking about spares again. i forgot why we gave up on them. i know it's unlikely that we'll spare correctly 4 times in a row, but is the 4 spare ending really that bad? say there's one scum in finale, wouldn't that be pretty good odds with strong town players? or would paranoia + no flips be too much to overcome?

Anyone want to apologise for hurting me for saying puppy was changing their tune?

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fyi my elements vote is semi-serious now, it's more than sheeping chara (actually i think she made the point first and technically i voted first?) anyways, i think i have a decent reason for voting elements if you want to hear it (you want to hear it don't you squidward)

please do, I don't believe you.
HURT: puppy

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wow, I feel like my reads are completely the opposite to everyone elses

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Hectic - Town
Elements - Town
Chara - null
Prism - town
PookyTheMagicalBear - chara
catboi - town
Morning Tweet - town
Tayl0r Swift - eh
Lavender - who?
redtea - eh
Tanner - scum
CantLynchAPuppy - scum

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Hectic - Town
Elements - Town
Chara - null
Prism - town
PookyTheMagicalBear - chara
catboi - town
Morning Tweet - town
Tayl0r Swift - eh
Lavender - who?
redtea - eh
Tanner - scum
CantLynchAPuppy - scum

Lmao

did i not guess your partners correctly or something?

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I'm feeling incredibly lost and I don't know why

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HURT: isis
HEAL: isis