Death Curse

[Noraa]

We still in RVS or no? I feel like we still are so I'm gonna VOTE: Shelly

1)bc im salty I got pocketed by scum!you in Roses
2)bc you always roll scum god knows why
3)bc you basically "started" the pooky wagon except ur votes not there

[Noraa]

Isis are you allowed to tell us how many scum there are?

[Noraa]

oooo PAGETOP

[Noraa]

Isis are you allowed to tell us how many scum there are?

noraa probly scum for this post

why?

[Noraa]

appearing to forget the game is nightless in particular is probably a bad town slip to do though

unless you really want to appear like you did not check to see if the setup was nightless before signing up for the game
because that is not a town slip

p-edit
and that was the answer i was looking for
UNVOTE:

i will think about voting noraa
but i will probably wait for her response to the vote on her first
as i do not know if noraa is known to read setups or not

Prior to this game, Noraa talked about joining this game on discord. It's how I was able to join it, I usually don't look at games like this so they tend to pass me by.

Noraa was definitely excited to play this game, I would find it weird if she did not know the things she was claiming to be ignorant of in that post.

The truth is, this is just the best play on odds as well as likely to flip scum.

In the off chance Noraa is town, she can use that power of the death scroll to interrogate some people and do some solving for us.

And if she's scum I'm sure I'll get the scroll from her instantly for doing this, which will let ME fill that role.

It's win win. People should want to see Noraa die here, I think.

Ok let's clarify something rq. I asked Cabd to bring me along to spectate the next game he was going to spectate. He said he was gonna spectate this game and that I was in it already. I was at the time, not even aware of this games existence. I checked out this game and saw it was modded by hectic and was like ooooo sounds fun! so then I directly inned. I don't read setup. Everyone says that I town slip as scum. So to be completely honest, a lot of the "townslips" aren't even town slips for me cuz I legitimately don't pay attention to the OPs. Pooky since you referenced Mafiasunny, I was a mafia goon that game and I legitimately asked my partners in the pt if there were town prs. Dumb question ig you could say and considering my partners were voyeur and Roleblocker, it should've been pretty obvious there were prs. I didn't read any of the setup in that game either and submitted actions in the pt when the mod directly said you had to pm him. I literally do not read OPs of games with setups I've never played in before(that was my first mini theme). I want to reference two different games as well but they're ongoing so I can't but regardless I only skim OPs and sometimes I dont even do that. In this case, I did not read anything believe it or not.

[Noraa]

^this was in a discord server with Cabd, Lexi, me, and other people

[Noraa]

I should get an award for always being the biggest wagon d1 as town. normally I can draw out some scums by getting a huge wagon. the problem is that the argument somewhat makes sense. like I could see myself agreeing with that argument. I think anyone that's played with me would know I am like this as town which is +townpoints for Taylor. I would argue its - town points for murder since he has played a town game with me before and he has meta dived my scum games before. Besides the people that I have played with's reads on me atm, I can't be certain of the rest. I'm not excited about dying day 1 but I have a feeling I will be able to bring at least one scum down with me.
Ftr, I think Taylor is town for realizing that this isnt AI
I think Murder could be scum bc he has played with me before and I expect him to know its not AI
I think Pooky is actually probably town bc he truly thought he found something and I absolutely believe he believes in it
I am null on Lexi though I am a little salty you would use a discord server and my being excited to be in a game hectic modded against me this way. I could see it as opportunistic scum tho I'm not certain of it.
All the other votes were just plain vote tags or I missed them and I'm not entirely sure what to make of them yet.

[Noraa]

I think I can roll with a town block of {Noraa, Pooky, Taylor}

[Noraa]

Noraa has to be getting coached

?

[Noraa]

Noraa isn't responding on actual reads or attempting to sort what has happened to her.

I responded. You said it was because of me that you heard of this game on disc. I pointed out that no, in fact it was Cabd that pointed it out which caught my interest so arguing that I was greatly excited and stuff is not fair for me since I literally inned on like the last day or something. The argument against me is that I forced a townslip. I responded that I rarely read setups. Honestly, I see why not reading setups is can generally be considered a townslip at times but considering that I "townslip" even in scum pts says that I don't read setup no matter alignment. This is a meta reason that I am using against this argument but I do find it unfair that I'm going to be SRed for something that is 100% AI for me and also literally just carelessness and laziness.

[Noraa]

*NAI

[Noraa]

I did a reread of what happened before I came in. A few posts that pinged me:

Spoiler:

Hey everybody!

I felt like this was a bit townsided when I reviewed it but I let it pass anyways. We're good if we just don't throw. VOTE: Fidget for hammering the game before I could /out.

Pooky dragged me into this game.

not a big thing to note but "Pooky dragged me into this game" reads towny. As town, if someone else tells me to join a game, I would absolutely put that out there along with most likely a thing being like so yeah its their fault if I die of having too many games rn.

My understanding is that scum get one day vig you can’t shoot a scroll holder.
We get three flips at once.
That occur over a 7 day voting phase.
Then 2 baton passes for an additional 6 days of content.
3 flips repeat.
No scum NK?

this strikes me as towny. I did not read the OP and had quite some questions and this definitely feels like towny confusion.

My understanding is that scum get one day vig you can’t shoot a scroll holder.
We get three flips at once.
That occur over a 7 day voting phase.
Then 2 baton passes for an additional 6 days of content.
3 flips repeat.
No scum NK?

obvious IIoA

Bell's towngame consists of quite a fair bit of IIoA tho so this is probably slightly town!AI if anything

pedit: Shelly liked this vote

I don't see how this is IIoa. all I see is confused townie trying to double check if what they know is correct. This is blatant misrep of bell. Also can you link the game you played with Bell? I'd like to meta dive a bit to make sure I'm not getting pocketed here.

Checking in, but going back to lurking soon

VOTE: shellyc

better?

not sure why but these scum ping me a bit. a light SR is appropriate here I think.

I have myself some suspicion
I’ll vote now, without omission
My choice is good, although not rare
VOTE: Pookymagicalbear

some of the wagon votes felt weird. Ik it was still RVS but I always feel like wagons that pile up big during RVS often contain a few scums and the faster it piles up, the more likely it is in fact, a town wagon. another reason why I TR pooky.

Or shelly? I mean ideally we just yeet shelly asap

I understand this train of thought though I find it a bit mean. Shelly welly is a god at scum and fooled me hard in Roses. Nonetheless, I think she deserves equal treatment. Good at scum =/= always scum. I slightly SR her here as stated previously but definitely not just bc she is a god at being scum.

[Noraa]

updated reads list coming in a minute

[Noraa]

Taylor - town for realizing that this isn't AI due to previous experience playing with me
Murder - null bc he didn't realize it wasn't AI even tho he has played with me before but the paranoia towards shelly is very town bc when playing with shelly, it is nerve-racking trying to determine if you're being absolutely fooled or if you are judging too much and she's actually town. I feel this paranoia all the way after one scum game with her where she told me about all her evil plans in the scum pt and after one town game where I was fooled by her big time. Something that town pings + something that scum pings cancel out and so I am null but prolly town lean still.
Pooky - town because I believe he believes in his SR on me and scum wouldn't bc scum knows who their scum buddies are.
Lexi - null. I still dislike the discord argument. Lexi's been more eager to push me than Pooky has which tbh is a bit strange considering normally the one that starts it is the biggest on pushing it :/
Isis - town because the tone is towny and I relate to some of those posts in that I would say something similar in her position
Bell - townie confusion. could be faked but I'm willing to believe it is real for now
Shelly - scum for misrepping people and also for throwing shade at pooky yet never voting pooky.
Vaultdweller - scum. can't quite put my finger on what's wrong here but I'm def getting scum pings.
Hopkirk - null but lean scum. dislike the jumping on all biggest wagons for no reason.

[Noraa]

I've been playing with PlusJOYED a lot lately. Been kinda copying his playstyle :/
anyways I haven't read up. too many pedits

[Noraa]

I’m not sure if we should just dogpile on Noraa now or just have a gentle beings agreement to give them the scroll later. Though I think the latter could be a problem in getting situated with good reads and atmosphere.
So in retrospect pretend I didn’t say that.

yet you still hit submit. interesting.

I think a lot of you are a bit over your heads with confidence tbh

[Noraa]

quoted the wrong thing

Taylor swift 3rd scum thanks bell

[Noraa]

Taylor plays exactly like this as town. Hold up let me go find the link.

[Noraa]

I think Taylor has gotten more confident and comfortable with doing whatever since this game but regardless, you can still see it in here:

viewtopic.php?t=84118&f=11&st=0&sk=t&sd ... er_sort=Go

[Noraa]

Pooky said ur scum and I disagree so I provided reasons

[Noraa]

This is a VERY GOOD QUESTION.

Follow this line of reasoning to the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

you sure like tunneling. anyone know if this happens to be AI?

[Noraa]

Why wouldn't I push you hard

its day 1 and you have never played with me before. why are you so confident?

[Noraa]

Literally if you had meta reasons, I would believe it to be more genuine.

[Noraa]

Lexi is pushing hardest. Taylor what does that mean from ur pov?

[Noraa]

Also Lexi brought up an argument to support pookys case on me. I refuted it and heard nothing from her afterwards.

[Noraa]

she literally didn't even acknowledge that it was a misrep of what happened in the server.

[Noraa]

I didn't even call you scum and you get this defensive. Your type of defensive seems to be just throwing lots of shade at me to make you look better than me.

[Noraa]

I was wondering how long it would take you to flip your "null, hmmm I dunno if LLD, is she scum? hmmmmmmmm" into trying to oppose me like this.

This was the sentence I was referring to when I said you were being defensive. Perhaps defensive isnt the right word. I think you are actively discrediting what I say.

[Noraa]

You are overly confident and I don't want to get angry dealing with you rn.

[Noraa]

I'm not engaging you any more. everyone about you just screams "I am more experienced. I say you are scum so you are."

[Noraa]

I'm gonna get cursed or shot at some point.

last thing. Assuming that you are town, no scums are gonna keep u cuz ur fucking pushing in the wrong direction. you deny tunneling but you are literally the person pushing me the most. And you are only pushing me. I absolutely think it is tunneling. Honestly, if all you are gonna do is push LHF, why wouldn't scum keep you around?

[Noraa]

Boy the difference a green role pm makes, huh.

You say I flip on people when you are literally overdoing everything and I literally cannot possibly not SR you a bit at this point. Its page ten and you have a strong SR. Thinking back on all my games, except for strong meta reasons, I don't think I've ever seen someone just jump like this that was town. Pooky's read is there and I believe he believes in it but I don't think he is overdoing bc I do think that he considers a town!Noraa possibility whereas you are just pushing and pushing and over your head. You are overconfident. You are SRing Taylor literally just bc she's defending me. Thats absolutely stupid. Worse than any of my reasons to SR people.

[Noraa]

Isn't that just kind of telling on yourself that you don't really have a ground to call this tunnelling

no you are tunneling. its clear as day. if anyone doesn't think its tunneling, I'd think they r weird

[Noraa]

I don't understand why Noraa is getting defensive here in this type of setup. Noraa if you were the first to be given the scroll wouldn't you give it to your scum read?

Taylor asking do scum have a daytalk I couldn't tell if this was a joke or not.

I think you deserve a SR for this post. Let's first point out that you 100% have read up. It's clear you have
"I don't understand why she is defensive" is a point that almost everyone has said by now. I don't understand why repeating something that multiple people have said, without adding anything new is town indicative. Also there have been replies to this argument so you should point out what's wrong with the replies not ask the same thing again.

"If I were the first to get the scroll, I can give it to my SR"
Yeah but I mean would you like to die ten pages into a game cuz some experienced players think they are so absolutely right?

Also if you are truly sus of me, where's the vote?

Theres so many questions that I get when I see this post that I am definitely SRing you for it. I think I'd actually like to place my vote here bc I want to put some pressure on you. VOTE: Adorable

[Noraa]

Hey Noraa please tell me
All of your thoughts on LLD

I think pooky's point is valid and understandable considering I would likely agree if I weren't in my own position rn in which case I disagree that was a forced townslip because I had not read the OPs. That aside, LLD jumped on my wagon right off the bat which didn't surprise me bc I definitely understand that from a town pov, that prolly read bad and not willing to give me the benefit of the doubt is understandable. The problem is that LLD used an argument to back Pooky's case up that was misleading as I was not as she implied, super hyped up and ready to play since long ago. I was actually one of the last few people to /in so her saying that I was so hyped up that it's impossible I didn't read the OPs is just unreasonable not to mention using an argument like that against me is just mean considering its literally not even on ms.

I pointed this out immediately and she never responded until I poked at her again later.

she is overly confident and half of her reasons are just like "this post is bad"

Also can we point out that I am a noob compared to the majority of the people here? I do not understand why a lot of my posts are labelled as bad bc I am absolutely solving. My reads are weak and shit but really they are always going to "look scummy" if you first assume that I am scum and then look at my posts.

I see a lot of buddying in my wagon and tbh if I flip today, it'll be really interesting to see them immediately start doubting each other for pushing me this hard. I think a lot of people this game are over their heads and way too confident. I generally associate confidence with time and experience but regardless, a day 1, 10 pages in, lock scum!Noraa is just ridiculous especially from my pov.

[Noraa]

You don't get to use this excuse after you won that other scumgame against very competent players.

Theres a thing called luck. Luck played in big time that game. My partner accidentally nokilled and that ultimately lead to our victory. Without that along with another player's lurking due to rl, you really think I could've won that game?

[Noraa]

Can you make that more specific
The phrasing isn't terrific

You said you thought it would be fun
Did you say to everyone
That was because Hectic was mod
Or slightly on the setup laud

what do you need more specific?

[Noraa]

are you trying to tell us you didn't play well in that game? :3

I literally whined so much, my partner got guiltied cuz I wouldn't do the kill and had to hammer my other partner for town cred. You think that all of this is considered good play? Plus I'm not so stupid as to know how many scum there are and barge in and ask how many there are. There are plenty of slicker ways to get towncred if I was scum.

[Noraa]

How obvious did you make it
Reading setup you did omit

this verse is hard to read but if ur asking if I read setup, no I did not read any of the OPs

[Noraa]

When you said the game 'would be fun'
That's this question for you done

yeah I said the game would be fun in the discord server with LLD. I mean ... hectic's modding so it'd be weird if it wasn't interesting

[Noraa]

^yeah and why would that mean I'm scum?
ur logic is so flawed

[Noraa]

Did you specify ONLY modding
And mention not another thing

yeah. honestly I could go find that and copy paste what I said if you want

[Noraa]

Did you specify ONLY modding
And mention not another thing

yeah. honestly I could go find that and copy paste what I said if you want

wait actually its against game rules. Let me run that by mod and if Hectic allows it, I can provide evidence that I did not in fact say anything like what LLD claims I did.

Noraa not taking credit for a win looks bad to me

I will not take credit for a game that could've gone ten times better if they had just bussed me day 2. I joke that I like to take credit and stuff like that but I don't ever actually take credit for what I believe I don't deserve credit for.

[Noraa]

its not like the setup is hidden behind a spoiler or buried beneath like 100 lines of texts.

u click on the signup thread and its literally the first thing that pops up:

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=84615

Do you really expect us to believe you didn't click on this?

I definitely did click on the link. In fact I read the whole top blurb when I read it and the plist as well. I hadn't gone back to the signups thread today yet but now that I see it, I'm fairly certain I probably did see the numbers but don't remember them or seeing them for that matter.

It doesn't fit with what I have experienced of Noraa's personality. Which I understand is kind of jokey, but I haven't seen Noraa act like he contributions weren't valuable

you don't know me well tho so....

[Noraa]

Evidently she is!

say that again?
Im the biggest wagon rn in case you didn't see the vc

[Noraa]

I fail to see how this play differentiates you as town. At best you could argue it's NAI, but this is absolutely something you would do as scum. Why would someone who has played with you before just know you are town?

no they would know not paying attention and saying dumb things isnt AI for me. Every one of my games looks something like this so for the most part, people that have played with me should know its not AI but rather its playstyle

[Noraa]

Fidget is town, let's go.

And yeah, I've played with MurderCat once or twice before. They feel town here. Let's be honest, nothing I say should be taken with 100 percent, but we should be willing to operate on principles of "this is definitely town" for the first few cycles at least.

Like I'm pretty comfortable in Fidget, Pooky, and MurderCat as town. There's a few others I also think are town.

you think everyone that agrees with the Noraa wagon is town. we already gathered that don't worry.

[Noraa]

We hold different opinions, and that's kind of why they're town.

this just all sounds like a free town pass. I don't really see any good reasons and the fact that fidget agrees with you seems like the real reason you TR them.

[Noraa]

Honestly with things as they are rn, scums are just gonna jump on me. Look how quick this wagon is building up. And on top of that they get a free town pass for jumping on me without even providing a reason courtesy of Mrs. LLT. I'm overly defensive as town which if you wait a few days(like 1-2 irl days), I will have solid meta on. I've done some solving but I'm definitely finding it hard to solve when people can just jump on me without actually backing anything up and that's the norm. It makes it terribly hard to solve so stop fucking doing that >:(

[Noraa]

Noraa, who would you pass to right now?

Aorn I would pass it to Adorable. That slot's vote on me really didn't rub me the right way. If I wanted to be god tier level petty, I'd prolly give it to Pooky for starting my wagon but I think that isn't the best play here in my position.

Another possiblity is that I'll pick one person that I'm fairly convinced is town whose reads I agree with and kill their top SR. I don't trust in my own reads especially not when I'm the top wagon. My reads are ... honestly garbage especially day 1 and I have zero doubt they are worse when I am under pressure. Plenty of examples if you need them. My first town game I was JKer. My scum team guess was two vts and I jailed two vts as well. My second town game, I tunneled a vanilla townie really really hard at the end and came somewhat close to giving scums the win. The above two scenarios were when I was universally TRed. I don't think I do better under pressure and I'm sure my reads are worse as well.

The second possibility would mean I would spend a lot longer trying to find someone I trust. I think the second possibility might actually be better cuz quality>time.

But if I had to like hand someone a scroll right here right now, Adorable gets it 100%.

[Noraa]

Lel im sure I have such huge privileges that I can spawn three extra votes out.
Shelly and Vaultdweller have straight up said like two things so most of my attention isnt directed there tho ftr, I do still SR them.
Hopkirk idk. I wouldn't say I SR him so idk where you get that.

[Noraa]

I asked for expansion of reasoning for Vault dweller and never got it.

gut scum pings is your answer. the tone wasn't right imo. I'm not able to exactly describe what's wrong but it doesn't feel right.

[Noraa]

What exactly pinged your gut? It was only 4 posts at the time, I'm curious.

only two of them pinged. I believe one was addressed to shelly and the other was ... idk can't remember which one it was. One sec lemme go quote the post that I made on this slot.

[Noraa]

I did a reread of what happened before I came in. A few posts that pinged me:

Spoiler:

Hey everybody!

I felt like this was a bit townsided when I reviewed it but I let it pass anyways. We're good if we just don't throw. VOTE: Fidget for hammering the game before I could /out.

Pooky dragged me into this game.

not a big thing to note but "Pooky dragged me into this game" reads towny. As town, if someone else tells me to join a game, I would absolutely put that out there along with most likely a thing being like so yeah its their fault if I die of having too many games rn.

My understanding is that scum get one day vig you can’t shoot a scroll holder.
We get three flips at once.
That occur over a 7 day voting phase.
Then 2 baton passes for an additional 6 days of content.
3 flips repeat.
No scum NK?

this strikes me as towny. I did not read the OP and had quite some questions and this definitely feels like towny confusion.

My understanding is that scum get one day vig you can’t shoot a scroll holder.
We get three flips at once.
That occur over a 7 day voting phase.
Then 2 baton passes for an additional 6 days of content.
3 flips repeat.
No scum NK?

obvious IIoA

Bell's towngame consists of quite a fair bit of IIoA tho so this is probably slightly town!AI if anything

pedit: Shelly liked this vote

I don't see how this is IIoa. all I see is confused townie trying to double check if what they know is correct. This is blatant misrep of bell. Also can you link the game you played with Bell? I'd like to meta dive a bit to make sure I'm not getting pocketed here.

Checking in, but going back to lurking soon

VOTE: shellyc

better?

not sure why but these scum ping me a bit. a light SR is appropriate here I think.

I have myself some suspicion
I’ll vote now, without omission
My choice is good, although not rare
VOTE: Pookymagicalbear

some of the wagon votes felt weird. Ik it was still RVS but I always feel like wagons that pile up big during RVS often contain a few scums and the faster it piles up, the more likely it is in fact, a town wagon. another reason why I TR pooky.

Or shelly? I mean ideally we just yeet shelly asap

I understand this train of thought though I find it a bit mean. Shelly welly is a god at scum and fooled me hard in Roses. Nonetheless, I think she deserves equal treatment. Good at scum =/= always scum. I slightly SR her here as stated previously but definitely not just bc she is a god at being scum.

[Noraa]

For clarity:

20
23

not sure why but these scum ping me a bit. a light SR is appropriate here I think.

[Noraa]

woahhhh 9 people on my wagon. thats a first. Opportunistic scums are plenty in this game then. Shelly and Adorable specifically. I'm still convinced they r scum and I think I'm definitely passing it to one of them if I get the scroll since I dont have any really strong TRs yet.

[Noraa]

If anyone "accidentally hammers" tho, I'm SRing you to hell and back, scum and ur going down with me 100% if u try to get that towncred.

[Noraa]

Why do you think I’m opportunistic scum when I do have good reason to SR you

........its a 100% sheeped reason

[Noraa]

I wanted to comment on Isis' content as well except that I can't cuz the game's ongoing :/
It's different but idk if its normal for isis

[Noraa]

Thanks bear.
Now stop throwing shade at me. It makes me think you’re scum. Cause you aren’t asking anything and lacking curiosity here.

If I was someone else or if it was someone else, I might try to defend Noraa's slot. But I don't think I can: the arguments have been put forward and the stage is set, Noraa's going down, I see no hope for her. Always possible to see a last minute wagon swap, but Noraa's play is poo and dirt. Doomed. Sorry bud. - Mush

1) mush is town. its clear as day. I even agree with LLD on this one. the play is 10000000000000% like On this Day
2) T^T mush save me.

Gloria Cleary's first post in the game is not impressive at all. I'd add that one to the SRs. That'd be {Shelly, Adorable, Gloria Cleary, and Vaultdweller}

still catching up~

[Noraa]

...did you just say people who hammer you accrue towncred?

I think I was getting a few things mixed up when I said that.
I was thinking if anyone accidentally hammers, confscum.
I was also thinking anyone that doesn't know my meta that doesn't jump on me is trying to get towncred.

mixed those together and we got ourselves a "forced townslip" and a "forced scumslip" now eh?
I sure am good at slipping. where's LLD and her confident SR at?

[Noraa]

Your entire foundation is poor and if you’re town the results were predictable. If you don’t know what you’re doing, you’re not going to reach an accurate conclusion except by luck and you didn’t even have luck on your side because I rolled green.

I kinda think Bell is exactly like me. Like Bell just strikes me as an OMGUSy townie which happens to be my exact play this entire game.

[Noraa]

okay but for real i'm canadian and pooky is def. a person strong enough to live long and hide as scum, so you consider him later, but not rn. Pooky is doing the lord's work rn.

you make an argument like this yet be all hypocritical when Taylor says I'm easier to sort later. I do not stan.

[Noraa]

I'm just tilted about someone claiming scum to try and kill me when I'm town.

Maybe think about this before tunneling a newbie that hasn't been on site enough to even legally mod a game.

[Noraa]

But Isis needs to die for it later on regardless.

So they can just die like, IDK, round 2 or 3

Why do you want to kill town?

Because 1) I'll be dead by that point 2) I find what you've done here to be insufferable and 3) you might actually be scum based on this gambit, I'm just having a hard time seeing it, so I'm just marking you for death later so you can do work now without people calling for your head all the time.

Consider it like a "as long as LLD is alive I live" pass, and when I die you're on the chopping block lol

Who in the world do you think you are. This literally read to me like "when I die, Isis can come be the sacrifice" "Ik she's town but idc she gotta die cuz I don't like her"

I don't wanna talk about the dayvig in too much detail but there is an obvious reason the scum would save it I don't wanna get into.

say the person that constantly says she's gonna get killed by scums soon -________-

I genuinely think Noraa is hilariously doomed town. This was really kind of like, uhh, shit I don't know. Dropping a compact SUV on a kitten? It's just an overwhelmingly anti-Noraa game in a lot of ways, because I'm seeing an eager and experienced town out for blood and Noraa just sort of plays Mafia the way I browse for groceries. This matchup always ends in Noraa going down. There is no survival possible for Noraa in this player list, regardless of alignment.

My town read is based on stuff I can't /really/ convince anyone with, so why am I bothering to bring it up again?

Honestly, I just sort of started typing and then I imagined Noraa as an unspeakably adorable cartoon cat staring up with big watery eyes at a cartoon anvil the size of a small house falling towards her with the words "Death Curse Mafia Game" slapped on the side in big red block letters and I knew I had to share with the class.

Yeah I don't think I'm gonna survive. Heck even if ICs existed in this setup and I was mod confirmed, LLD would be like guys guys mod is lying. Speaking of which, LLD is gonna look really really bad when I flip town. People think she's conftown if I am scum but that logic doesn't sit with me. I still think she is way overconfident for town.

hectic is a rather boring mod

don't modkill me

an investigative mindset leans town though, it's not making something out of nothing, it's quite clearly a solving mindset

Right but if Noraa is correct that she did not mention setup in discord, does that make her more likely to be town?
It doesn't seem like a useful line of inquiry, because I already presumed she had not mentioned setup.

Yeah I got so fucking pissed that she used an outside influence against me. I literally just said I was excited to play a game that Hectic modded and she twisted that to somehow prove that there's no possible way I didn't read the OPs. Uno you have played with me before and you really think I'm scum here?

VOTE: adorable

their vote was likely either a bus or an easy way to get towncred and it would be very interesting to see whether adorable passes the scroll to noraa or not

you agree with my adorable vote?

[Noraa]

oh wait you voted adorable as well

in my previous post i was referring to adorable voting you and not you voting adorable
your vote on adorable does not really impact my read on adorable
or my read on you for that matter

Adorable came in and threw shade at me without voting me. Unlike Bell who I think is the type to go with the flow and just try to survive, Adorable doesn't strike me as the type that will do anything to stay alive.
I argued with adorable for a bit and voted them. Shortly afterwards an OMGUS vote held up by sheeped reasons came along.

[Noraa]

Btw Theta .... you have only been mislimmed 3 times?!

[Noraa]

I am 1000% certain I can beat that number within like 4 months on MS.

[Noraa]

Also I don't remember your previous posts much but did you think I was scum or no?

[Noraa]

Also I just realized something which is that everyone was saying I was flailing too early. I think I know exactly why. I deal mainly in the Newbie and Normal queue and have *never* played a large theme all the way through before.

I started flailing when I had like 4 votes and everyone was like god she is scum. My subconscious doesn't think of it that way. 4 votes in a newbie is E-1 I think and 4 votes in a normal is like E-3 or something. I started flailing like I was at E-3/E-2/E-1 but actually I was at like E-6 :/

Honestly speaking, if I die, I seriously do not blame town. Generally when mislimmed, I get kinda salty but I had a terribly big reaction at literal E-6 and I can 100% understand why that is scummy. If I was in any other position, I'd likely be on my own wagon so I won't be hypocritical here.

This is some self reflection that I'd like to put in the game before I die cuz I'd like to reread this game and remember that this is what I got out of it. I sincerely do hope that I can prove I am town through solving more because being limmed early often isnt exactly fun. I have a pretty solid town block and some good SRs imo as well. If anyone would like to engage me about them, I'd be really happy to talk thru my reads.

[Noraa]

noraa wanna townread theta Alpine w me?

definitely

[Noraa]

I do get heavy town pings here and I'm pretty certain this slot is town.
gives me ~Mush vibes~ which is bomb

[Noraa]

PAGE TOPPITY

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

meh if I can't prove it with my nonexistent town games, u can't prove anything with them either

Defensive much!? I was definitely trying to give you benefit of doubt, and leaning on the town side, your reaction is immediately paranoid and assuming I'm onto you? Guilty conscience is obvious.

nah u deserve the scumpoints. u seem pretty scummy

Maybe if you care so much about being meta-proof, you could go and look at...I dunno, one of my many dozens of completed games, and tell me whether you think I'm scummy, or the towniest town you've ever seen.

VOTE: noraa

this is particularly weak, and i'm not overwhelmingly impressed with the jokey, overly flamboyant openings from Menalque and Datisi. Odds of both being scum, slim. Odds of 1 being scum, pretty good based on past experience. VOTE: Datisi

mind telling me what experience?

if this isn't a rvs vote, u will have to explain it

How are you finding the pressure?

VOTE: Noraa

plus I dont have to have finished town games to prove I'm town. This logic is really flawed

tell me how you will prove it otherwise though?

I dont think you need finished town games to prove ur town. Meta is trash and unreliable a lot of the time anyways so I dont see what's wrong with not having any. It just means I'm newer than everyone else but so? u trying to tell me that all new players have no way to prove they aren't scum and have to be scum every round until they have a finished town game? Im being a lil defensive ig? But like ur logic just isn't making any sense to me...

VOTE: noraa

this is particularly weak, and i'm not overwhelmingly impressed with the jokey, overly flamboyant openings from Menalque and Datisi. Odds of both being scum, slim. Odds of 1 being scum, pretty good based on past experience. VOTE: Datisi

mind telling me what experience?

if this isn't a rvs vote, u will have to explain it

do i have to?

it would look really scummy on ur part to not explain so yeah I would say you should explain.

So far BM's the scummiest person here. I see his SR on me as trying to set up some easy limbait since I hear I tend to give off that first impression. Ofc we are still technically kinda in rvs so this is a fairly weak read but ye I will be putting this here for future reference of what I was thinking 3 pages into the game. First impressions can often help town find the scums so I'm not too sure if I found one but we'll see

it would look really scummy on ur part to not explain so yeah I would say you should explain.

if i refused to explain, would you think i'm scum? if so, why?

no but it would be antitown to not offer an explanation after dropping a vote on somebody(if its serious which u haven't clarified so idk)

this is a backtrack from post 64. Scummy climbdown in the face of a brick wall.

So far BM's the scummiest person here. I see his SR on me as trying to set up some easy limbait since I hear I tend to give off that first impression. Ofc we are still technically kinda in rvs so this is a fairly weak read but ye I will be putting this here for future reference of what I was thinking 3 pages into the game. First impressions can often help town find the scums so I'm not too sure if I found one but we'll see

You are probably literally the only person who thinks I'm remotely scummy here. I'm pretty obvtown, even from my own perspective. Also, you are playing that RVS card way too hard, although can let that slide as you're a newbie.

However, I actually like the above post. Feels like a legit misguided attempt to get bragging rights. Some townie points for you (although no bragging rights, because, i'm not scum, and you tunnelling me is not helping town).

"when I tried to pressure datisi"
wtf he dropped a vote on me and I asked for an explanation and u get this out of that?

stop discrediting everything I say by mentioning my inexperience. that's very scummy +200 scumpoints

"testing u"
it sounds more like u trying to set me up as limbait and are backpedalling right about now

but ok, if you didn't know the difference, what did you mean in 74 by calling my behaviour anti-town?

Dropping a vote without backing it up with reasons/evidence is definitely antitown behavior imo. It means ur not willing to even try to support it and convince others its right which makes me think u dont believe it urself. The only people that would be that sure who the scums are would be the scums themselves especially at this stage in the game

BM is basically only focusing on me and ngl that strikes me as pretty scummy considering I'm prolly one of the newest players in general in this game and I definitely strike most people as LHF first impression. Tunneling this early into the game is just a huge scumtell imo.

VOTE: Battle Mage

BM is basically only focusing on me and ngl that strikes me as pretty scummy considering I'm prolly one of the newest players in general in this game and I definitely strike most people as LHF first impression. Tunneling this early into the game is just a huge scumtell imo.

VOTE: Battle Mage

His entire play so far has been fluff and tunneling Noraa. There has been zero other content

I think a scum in (BM, noraa) seems likely above rand

Not sure if BM is scum at this point in time cuz as town, I've never actually been tunneled day 1 before. I've reread my entrance in attempt to seeing what I did differently this game that got me these reactions but I'm not seeing anything which is definitely adding to my suspicions on BM just being a scum trying to kill off some LHF day 1. Putting pressures on newbies generally always gets u some good "scum tells" but I find those often aren't AI instead are just a more experienced player trying to get a mislim. I think BM could very likely be a scum here tho. This is not backtracking no. Top of my scum reads is still BM. I am however not too sure if my read is accurate given my lack of experience.

However BM is the only one that is discrediting my opinions bc of inexperience. I'll quote some posts of his in my next post with that. It's either really rude of him or he is scum trying tp set me up to look like LHF so he can leave me til limlo where my opinions won't matter. I might be overthinking a shit ton considering we are on like page 5 but anyways yeah

In what sense, even vaguely, can you be said to have “busted my ass”

i had a list of 2 scum, you were on it. immediately afterwards you voted for me, apparently at least partly due to your fear that i would elim you (as you quoted that post when you voted me). Sorry dude but I'm taking those bragging rights to the bank, I busted your ass.

Ok ok I see a shit ton of posts directed at me. I'm not replying to all of them individually. that's way too much work especially when most the questions are basically the same. Someone compile the questions into one post and I'll reply to that. I agree that currently NoraavBM definitely gives for a TvS look. However I believe town should not only focus on us two. The reason is that town is going to let the other scums do whatever tf they want. {Noraa, BM} has at most one scum. I am 100% sure of this fact bc I am town however it seems town agrees also that a Bm/Noraa scum team would not work. I think we do need to be looking elsewhere as well is my point. You can continue to tunnel, yes. But I dont see much potential there considering even if best case scenario town lims scum!Bm, tomorrow you will realize that you tunneled the shit out of two players and have close to nothing on whoever the other scums are.

pedit:can y'all slow tf down I'm having a hard time keeping up

This is a town game that just finished a few minutes ago. I got semi tunneled at the very beginning and got super defensive. I almost died day 1 and I was a novice 3 shot vig. BM is the person that was tunneling me. I directly OMGUSed back and had a lot of anger and shit in there. I got myself so riled up that I vigged him and he ended up being a Town mailman-cop hybrid

I've learned since then that I need to tone it down but its obviously not been toned down enough.

[Noraa]

My defensiveness nearly got me killed day 1. I will try to tone it down this game bc I already caused a huge mess earlier this game by being super defensive.

[Noraa]

I want to do Noraa because Noraa has CLAIMED SHE WILL HAND TO ADORABLE.

incorrect. I said there were two possibilities and I will not be forced to choose one. I will choose for myself. Don't worry stop screaming I think ur a town that's way over your head. I suggest you tone it down otherwise its gonna look really nasty tomorrow after a green flip on my end.

[Noraa]

I'm willing to eat my hat

go eat your hat

[Noraa]

f Noraa and Adorable are both town, BTW, I trust Adorable's ability to work with me and find someone good to kill using their confirmed town status a lot more than I trust Noraa's ego to be willing to work with me.

So uh.... yeah.

It's the best option to vote Noraa here.

you are so selfish and stubborn. I literally can't.

[Noraa]

also you are tunneled on noraa and i really want to force you to do something different

someone else said it. literally do you still deny it LLD?

[Noraa]

You can tone it down from the grave.

You are just being mean at this point. I'm tuning you out for a bit. Don't throw random accusations at me or rude things cuz then I feel obliged to respond.

[Noraa]

I think the best way to get LLD to do something different is to just be done with Noraa so we can move on with our lives.

If you let LLD do whatever the fuck she wants, this game is gonna be a bigger mess than my playstyle.

[Noraa]

so ik this is fairly useless when said by me but like ...... theres been basically ... 0 resistance to my wagon :/
Take this as an attempt from me to save my ass but like .... I aint never seen a scum get to E-2 in a large normal in 15 pages

Then the game just stalls for 20 pages but literally almost ALL of the active players are voting me.

[Noraa]

well stalls isnt the right term. Its more like some people tunneling to hell and back and going "la la la I can't hear you" to everyone else

[Noraa]

I asked how many scums there are. If I was scum, I would literally just be like ok so with 4 scums here, blah blah blah. Do you really think that's not a more convincing town slip?

[Noraa]

there are so many people who have tried to come up and say "Noraa is town, Noraa is town" in soft ways and even some using meta and I'm just like...

well when you are the one saying we need to wait to solve pooky for META REASONS, you cannot say shit to any of them

[Noraa]

Literally u are just being hypocritical and mean. Telling me to be less defensive I'm my grave. Seriously?

[Noraa]

I fucking said I have a problem of being too defensive and I'm self reflecting and trying to make it better and u tell me I should go do it in my grave.

[Noraa]

Doesn't mean he's confirmed town, but it means I don't wanna kill him so eh?

You are just being selfish. Not everyone thinks from your point of view.

[Noraa]

You consider that slot only when I'm dead.

again who tf do you think you are?

[Noraa]

you are so full of yourself that I literally want to OMGUS but I fucking can't cuz scum is never this bold. I hate OMGUSing but sometimes people just tunnel me so much, I get angry and do it. You literally are making me so angry but I'm like 99% sure scum wouldn't be this fucking bold and tunnel me this hard considering they would literally know I would flip green.

[Noraa]

You are literally tempting me to rage kill you. I ragekilled someone in my last game.
You are literally provoking me with every post. Asserting that you are superior and everyone needs to listen to you. But you did NOTHING but tunnel me. you do NOT deserve the town leader position.

[Noraa]

We just need to kill Noraa already and stop stagnating the game, please.

you are literally just saying. Ok guys no matter what happens, the best choice is always to just follow me and do what I tell you to.

[Noraa]

Oh and Noraa?

I'm completely full of myself. I have to have confidence in mafia, or what is the point? I can't belabour worlds where I am wrong and hemm and haww and hesitate.

Is there a chance you could be town, Noraa? Yes. There's a chance anyone could be town right now.

Does that chance give me pause and want to let you live? No. Never. You're high enough odds of being scum that I feel like this is a positive outcome. We learn a lot either way.

So I'm begging you to stop struggling and trying to live and start considering who is scum and talking to me about your opinions on the game because you're not going to survive, so it's way more useful.

I'm not talking to you. The more I talk to you the more I want to rage kill you if I get the scroll. You keep saying that proves I'm scum. No it fucking doesn't. It just means ur an expert at tunneling.

[Noraa]

You are literally tempting me to rage kill you. I ragekilled someone in my last game.
You are literally provoking me with every post. Asserting that you are superior and everyone needs to listen to you. But you did NOTHING but tunnel me. you do NOT deserve the town leader position.

Noraa it's posts like this that are not helpful and make me think you are scum who feels they were "caught for the wrong reasons".

But like, in the effort of trying not to make you have an aneurysm, I'm going to stop telling you why you are scum, and say this much.

If I have a town leader position, it's because people read me as town. Including you. There's no other pre-requisite.

If you want to prove me wrong, tell me who you think is scum that I am ignoring, shoot one of them and we'll work from there.

Give me shit to work with so if you DO flip town, it's information for us.

you call me a survivalist yet now that I'm about to get the scroll, you start backing down and try being nice? what a joke.

[Noraa]

I'm sorry it's frustrating, but that is how it is today.

we went from "go cry in your grave noraa" to this?

wow and I'm the survivalist?

[Noraa]

Im too stubborn? that's really funny considering I'm not the one that's been hard tunneling since page 7

[Noraa]

Y'all declared me confscum by page 10. And you expect me to just have the most awesome reaction to it. I overreact and am overly defensive but put anyone else in my position and I'd sure like to see who can deal with this all of this tunneling

[Noraa]

But don't shoot me because you're frustrated. All that will do is make me believe you are scum even harder and shoot someone on that evidence.

if that happens, its bc you tunneled too hard and frustrated me. You are overly confident and now "worrying" about someone else being stubborn is really rich

[Noraa]

noraa why dont you want the scroll?

cuz I don't get to do any solving before I die

[Noraa]

Like you seem to be taking me wanting to kill you personally and behaving in a manner that reflects that I've done something wrong for wanting to kill you.

I'm following my belief that you are scum. I'm sorry I have found you to be scummy, but it's not personal and I just...

gahh

how do you not get to do any solving?

My solves in general are shit. With this much pressure, I'm literally likely just gonna hit town. Considering that in a newbie game with only 9 fucking people I jailed two vanilla town and sussed two other vanilla town, I do not think I have any chance of hitting scum in a 20 player game.

[Noraa]

Like you seem to be taking me wanting to kill you personally and behaving in a manner that reflects that I've done something wrong for wanting to kill you.

I'm following my belief that you are scum. I'm sorry I have found you to be scummy, but it's not personal and I just...

gahh

NO. You are discrediting and squashing every single other person's solves that do not agree with yours. YOU are making it so that NO ONE can scum hunt without you fucking blocking their way. Every person that agrees and talks a bit more goes straight in your town block. Every one that doesnt agree ALWAYS gets a SR from you. You throw shade at people that defend me cuz they know my meta and squash all of their opinions. Just bc you have a powerful voice does not mean you get to use it like this.

[Noraa]

I can be queen noraa sure pooky. I'm bringing LLD down with me tho. As for why, you will have to ask to get my paragraph

[Noraa]

^no

[Noraa]

giving it to someone antitown is the same imo

[Noraa]

antitoxin town can cause a town lose very easily
especially one with a powerful voice that tunnels like hell

[Noraa]

*antitown

[Noraa]

no. LLD is antitown

[Noraa]

tho my playstyle in general is pretty antitown anyways so if you wanna push that, go for it

[Noraa]

the chance of me actually hitting scum is low. very low. my reads are never correct until basically the last few days of the games where I normally win the game for town if I'm still alive.

[Noraa]

The best timeline here is Noraa town passes to scum LLD and is lauded for the big brain play

If this mess ends up like that, I'll actually be really pleased.

[Noraa]

I'm basically ragekilling along with some other things but if LLD is scum, that's two birds with one stone imo

[Noraa]

My reasons:

Considering she can push this hard, she is 100% a threat to town. I did mess up some but I don't believe at all that she's willing to reconsider even for a second. She is way over herself and squashes all other opinions. I will bring her down with me to prevent town from having this absolute domineering player that is, as far as I'm concerned, pushing in 100% the WRONG places. She is not helping town and is so fucking frustrating to work with. I do not think town benefits from her reads and presence AT ALL. Perhaps this is hypocritical coming from me considering my playstyle also sucks ass but I mean in the end, its beneficial for town cuz we get basically two policy lims.

[Noraa]

"winning this game is less important to me than getting to be petty".

sounds exactly like your play. you are all "all these people can't die while I'm alive but when I'm die, just kill them all"

[Noraa]

noraa

ignore lamdadelta

and answer me two questions
if adorable is scum who else do you think is scum
if adorable is town who do you think is scum

Adorable/Shelly/Vaultdweller/??/??

[Noraa]

If adorable is town, nothing changes. My solve just doesnt have them anymore. I mean there's not much interaction between these slots anyways so ....

[Noraa]

I'm not scared. The only person who looks bad from this is you. If you're town and kill me while knowing I'm town, you shouldn't be proud about that, you should be ashamed.

I just vigged two strong prs in a game and won the game for town by killing scum with my last shot anyways. My play is unpredictable and shit at first but I have proven to be beneficial to town at the very end and enough to win regardless of my mistakes. My play has flaws but I will stick with it bc it has proven to be greatly shockingly accurate when needed.

[Noraa]

If I kill you while knowing you are town, maybe you should think twice before going ham on a newbie page 7 in a game.
rather than blaming everything on someone that has way less experience, consider that maybe you haven't done the best either.

[Noraa]

scum will not kill you anyways. You are tunneling town hard and have been the one swaying this entire game with your stubbornness. Why tf would they kill you?

[Noraa]

I'm not engaging you anymore. It's a huge waste of my time and you don't even have any new arguments. basically a robot going "NORAA IS SCUMNORAA IS SCUMNORAA IS SCUMNORAA IS SCUM"

[Noraa]

give me the scroll then.

[Noraa]

She's marked herself as a player who will ALWAYS shoot a townie, right?

no. not exactly.

[Noraa]

yea she just realized the worst case scenario for her is to not get to shoot LLD for her scum team

You're a fucking genius.

In almost all other worlds, it's wrong to not vote Noraa here.

but Noraa has admitted to being scum.

So we always treat her as our backup.

We vote someone, we let them kill someone who isn't Noraa and then we kill Noraa.

you just don't wanna die is all. good plan. it'll literally be like T->T->T

[Noraa]

Im literally not but whatever this game is just frustrating and stupid at this point

[Noraa]

MurderCat, what's your take on Taylor here and them trying to shutdown the Hopkirk wagon?

"trying to shutdown the hopkirk wagon"
this is said when the wagon has like 3 people on it. Taylor's right. You are just SRing everyone that doesnt agree with you. The ones you aren't are the ones you think you can convince or will be useful but you don't care about us newbies.

no you arent. because no one else is allowed to have opinions. so the only read people can get is "this person agreed/disagreed with lld"

wait how is LLD preventing you from having an opinion lol

Yeah this is what I don't get.

People are complaining they don't have control of the town because people are listening to me.

Then convince others that your ideas are right then. It's a game of argument. Argue! Make points!
LMFAO

no one can when you are an overpowering voice that is trolling this thread 24/7

[Noraa]

Maybe I should add something. All your SRs are either naturally scummy/LHF or people that disagree with you

[Noraa]

No hopkirks jumping on my wagon wasn't even explained well and he just sheeped everyone. that's 100% LHF vibes there

[Noraa]

Go with the flowy play style is entirely classified as LHF to me

[Noraa]

the blank vote on noraa is lean scum for me
i personally think scum would at least try to explain their vote though

these directly contradict :/

[Noraa]

Oh I definitely think Scum was on that Noraa wagon. No counter wagon to me means they knew she was dead and didn't stick up for her. It's another reason I think she's scum.

If I had counter wagons you would've just said it means I'm scum cuz my "buddies" are starting counter wagons.
You are just declaring I am scum and then using everything and anything to prove it. No shit you can twist everything your way.

[Noraa]

No matter what I do, you will tunnel so your opinion on me is no longer valuable.

[Noraa]

We just lost another reasonable player :/
*sigh*

[Noraa]

adorable has a vote on noraa that feels like a bus

you see but like this is 100000% preflip analysis :/

[Noraa]

i just also said it felt like an attempt to push through an easy lynch in the event that you were town

well Im town and I'm pushing there. I don't really think its an "easy lim"
I think that slot's just scummy :/

[Noraa]

Preflip analysis is kinda stupid? especially in a game like this. I agree Adorable is scummy but if your reason is bc she is partners with me ... like no I'm not fine with this reason. If you don't see the scumminess in her then maybe she's just town that I'm wrongly SRing but literally killing someone for someone else's scumminess is stupid. Especially here where you don't get to know what they flip until all three flip.

[Noraa]

UNVOTE:

I'm gunna say I'm with Taylor. D1 is one big personality who honestly looked me like shes more worried about how long she has, and is actively drilling people into dirt. The moment it seemed control was shifting from her I got a slightly panicked vibe.

Honestly feels like Lady is shutting down any discussion that isn't what she wants and I kinda feel Noraa has been shoved into a corner and locked there, kinda feel as well Noraa hasn't given us much choice beyond reading her as scum though with a lot of the reactions which could be what Lady was aiming for and

argh

- basically.

This ain't a scumread on Lady btw. This is a "what the actual fluff have I got myself into here?!". Who on earth drives into people that hard and then says "Controlling your emotions isn't my problem" when you're clearly trying to get on every last nerve?

I literally don't have the requisite attention span to read in depth the 10 pages that appear every 2 hours, especially after a pain day.

I very much like this take. Like I absolutely agree my reactions were trash but the problem is that anyone forced into a situation like this up against a way over confident LLD(she literally labelled me as lock scum page 7) is gonna look terrible. I tried to stay as calm as possible and when I say that, I mean I was on the verge of just be like FUCK YOU ALL GO TO HELL(slightly a joke)

Im biased and I feel like I'm being driven insane. You are a pleasant sight. I want you in my town block.

Town block: Noraa, Taylor, Flea, Mush, Pooky(kinda), Isis, Alpha

every other time i have explained my adorable scum read i explained it for both the situation where you are town and the situation where you are scum

i am lazy however and lambdadelta appears to be operating under the assumption that you are scum so i left it out when explaining it to her

but every other time i gave my read for adorable i have included both scenarios and you should have been aware of this

[Noraa]

lambdadelta appears to be operating under the assumption that you are scum

this is the nicest way possible to say it.

[Noraa]

+ nice points

[Noraa]

Why uno?

[Noraa]

Starting this post before I finish catching up to say /Tayl0r/ what is /up/ this LLD play is like exactly parallel to my town play

I disagree. You were not overpowering to this extent.

[Noraa]

Because I think Noraa's town. This is one of those things I've already talked about and I can't sway anyone's opinions on by the very nature of my reasons. You can't get inside my head and experience the same base-level reactions to her posting that I do. I have strong town feelings about Noraa, but Noraa's play is absolutely garbo here and all the good reasons to give it a pass were presented by Tayl0r and dismissed by everyone else. There's no point in me even explaining, but I'm doing it again so you can see that it's pointless and not think too hard about it.

If you strongly feel it, mush please help me. My town play is garbo as shown in my three finished town games BUT I always make the correct decision towards the end
first one, I was JKer and I jailed two vanilla town and my solve was two other vanillas yet I ended up leading town to victory by nailing the last scum day 3
second one, I kinda fucked up by tunneling a townie but nonetheless the scum was the one I was going to kill in limlo in case the townie was town(which he was)
third one, I vigged two prs but made the right decision and vigged the last scum at night which lead to a singular townie being alive and a town win(that game was really messy)

[Noraa]

I have enough respect for Noraa as a player to believe that if town she does not kill someone she thinks is town, regardless of what she is saying right now.

then do you think Taylor is scum here? she states that pooky is scum and LLD is town but very anti town so she will kill LLD.
This is in fact my exact reasoning(except I don't think pooky is scum) and I actually said that was why I was going to kill LLD before Taylor did. I believe LLD is likely to be town but she squashes all opinions that don't agree with hers and is overly confident and aggressive.

[Noraa]

My reasons:

Considering she can push this hard, she is 100% a threat to town. I did mess up some but I don't believe at all that she's willing to reconsider even for a second. She is way over herself and squashes all other opinions. I will bring her down with me to prevent town from having this absolute domineering player that is, as far as I'm concerned, pushing in 100% the WRONG places. She is not helping town and is so fucking frustrating to work with. I do not think town benefits from her reads and presence AT ALL. Perhaps this is hypocritical coming from me considering my playstyle also sucks ass but I mean in the end, its beneficial for town cuz we get basically two policy lims.

[Noraa]

then do you think Taylor is scum here? she states that pooky is scum and LLD is town but very anti town so she will kill LLD.
This is in fact my exact reasoning(except I don't think pooky is scum) and I actually said that was why I was going to kill LLD before Taylor did. I believe LLD is likely to be town but she squashes all opinions that don't agree with hers and is overly confident and aggressive.

Similarly I do not think town Taylor would actually go through with killing someone she thinks is town.

You really think Taylor is scum here? Taylor standing up for me I generally consider town indicative because she has no business getting herself in hot water for a random townie that's perfect limbait if she's scum. Y'all say the "she wouldn't do this as scum" argument is bad but it literally isn't. I cannot see a single reason for why scum!Taylor would pull this play out right here, right now.

Noraa, I centered the entire town on my tunnels MULTIPLE times, particularly on Day 1. I forced everyone to react to what I was doing regularly. This is identical to my style, LLD is just corralling more players, which makes sense with 20 players. I would do the same thing -- I'd want to lock up 4-6 players to silence or polarized opinions so I could focus on content from the rest of them, then swap half of my locked players when I swapped focus so I could generate AI content for the whole lobby without total chaos.

Pay attention to LLD as the target pivots to Hopkirk, I've already noticed release of two players from the lock and addition of one. (Betting on more stuff from LLD, I'm not ready to put it out but I'll put a couple things down so I can say "haha called it": "from 1 to 2", and "sign flip".)



PEDIT: Noraa, you're beyond help. It's not even /just/ your fault. Yeah, your play this game is trash, but lots of townies have bad games and survive -- witness my second game with Shelly, where I threw away my towncred because I didn't understand the setup and perfect game strategy and ended up throwing the game. The problem is town is out for blood and your play is getting worse, not improving. There's no helping you here. I joined, read through, and IMMEDIATELY said "Noraa's doomed." I had genuinely wanted to help but I might as well ask the mod if we can all have quadruple votes for the chaos of it all. I'd have better success for sure.

I'm sorry.

Mush can you go into detail for why I am town? Taylor is not willing to because she says I have town tells that I am unaware of. Can you give your view on it? If LLD is SRing me hard and you think both of us are town, you literally might be the only hope to resolving this TvT conflict. I'm not willing to reason with her. I can and will have good reads with time. Ik the start was crappy but I absolutely think its possible for me to pull through bc I have some faith in town!me. I got limmed kinda early in some places lately but regardless, I definitely have more faith in town!me that doesn't have to pull everything out of her ass. (also I'm still curious what my mystery town tells are but Taylor won't tell me)

I have read 20 pages since from where I last left off and I still haven't fully caught up. I'm still scum reading Noraa and I'm also scum reading Unowen because once when Noraa started to get defensive and all those votes piled up on her, Unowen says the wagon on Noraa looks promising and then randomly shaded me about my vote on Noraa which looked sus.

Do you have any SRs that aren't OMGUSed?

[Noraa]

The prob is ... I don't got the aggression or persuasion skills of LLD so there's no way I win this fight on my own. Though I do understand your stance since helping me doesnt help you much bc I likely die tomorrow or something. Though my green flip would give you towncred, it could also get town paranoid or something. I'll try to fight this fight on my own.

[Noraa]

Noraa, once again, why fight it? Like, you aren't 3p survivor, you are (according to you) a vengeful townie who could be a hero and flip scum.

I don't like dying before I can actually make an impact on the game. I have zero impact if I die day 1 bc of the way I play mafia. Though I don't understand. Why even interact with me if you are just gonna be another stubborn players that's gonna SR me? Plus I'm really disappointed you can't tell this is my town game considering you have straight up PLAYED with town me before

[Noraa]

I'm going to be honest: I bet Noraa probably skimmed the setup at some point along the line and totally forgot not just the info in it but that she had read it. Not because I think that's typical of Noraa, but because I literally did that exact thing and when I spotted Noraa's "townslip" post I had to go "wait a second /do/ we know the number of scum?" People, as in humans, all humans, are idiots by nature and bombarded with information. Things end up misplaced.

Consider: The outrage of an honest mistake, followed by an even dumber mistake, followed by maybe secretly realizing after the fact that you did in fact read it and your brain just betrayed you for 6 hours and now you're locked into actually lying because telling the truth legitimately looks even worse at this point...

I have /lived/ this. And Noraa's personality seems prone to that sort of dumb mistake, when it happens, spiraling out of all proportion.

This is all personal anecdotes and projection, so it's garbage and if it changes your mind you should feel bad, but it's where I'm coming from on the "townslip" side of things.

I never understood why people had such huge reactions to that and it was weird on my end but I mean it got me defensive and here we are. Honestly, if I was scum, I would've just been like I completely forgot I read this. I wouldn't be like um so I read it all and I remember every single part except the important part :/

[Noraa]

Also I already pointed this out earlier but if I wanted to get towncred thru a townslip as scum, I would just say something like "ok guys we got 4 scums to find" and it would benefit me literally millions of times more.

[Noraa]

This is my first large theme that I didn't replace into like day 3. I don't fucking wanna die day 1. Is that really hard to understand? This game has been nothing but frustrating. Lets have a quick rundown of how this game has gone from my pov:

I am one of the last people to /in and didn't realize the game even started until it was like 6 pages in
I skim the pages and see this one part where isis says if anyone has setup questions, they can ask her because she reviewed the setup. I wanted to know how many scums there were but at the time I wasn't sure if I was allowed to ask or if she was allowed to answer so I asked her if I was allowed to ask how many scums there are.
Pooky immediately said I was scum for it.
I didn't understand at first but quickly realized that it was smack dab in the middle of the sign up thread and that's why it was weird I didn't know. I remembered the blurb thingie that was like UT talking to Hectic and I also remembered seeing the plist but I didn't remember seeing the setup info.
Also Pooky pulled out a quote from my last scum game where I said I fake townslips in every scum game. The problem is literally how tf does that mean I don't townslip as town? Plus this wasn't even a townslip. Its literally just me not paying attention and being careless when reading the OPs.
LLD brings up that I was really excited for the game on a discord server which annoyed me so much cuz being excited =/= I will be reading all the OPs plus discord = outside influence
Then I rack up 4 votes really fast and my subconscious starts panicking. Why? I already explained. CUZ I NORMALLY DEAL IN NEWBIE AND NORMAL GAMES. Fucking god. In newbie, 4 votes is E-1 and in normal, its like E-3. I started flailing like I always do under pressure cuz my subconscious was like you are about to die Noraa.
But think about it from my perspective. Pooky mentioned it and right away like 4 people vote me and immediately start tunneling like hell.
LLD gives it a fat push and I'm literally just trapped. Like what can I do under that much pressure? And all I see is that everyone is sussing me and anyone that says I'm town is getting immediately squashed by LLD
I decide to ignore and try to effort a reads list out and all I get is a few people saying "wow so scummy Noraa"
I try to solve and Fos some other people, and I just get OMGUSed. And it's fine for them. Why? Cuz town's determined I was lock scum since page 10 and everything I say is scummy. Everything I do is scummy. Everything can be twisted to "prove" I'm scum.
My wagon piles up to E-2 in 1 singular rl day with 9 whole fucking votes.
Take a hot look at the game and how its been from my pov. Town gave me zero chances. I reacted badly but is it my fault for reacting badly when I'm getting death tunneled 10 pages into a completely new type of game for me?
This is a shit ton of AtE but I am frustrated and I feel like town has not given me a single chance since page 10. All that has happened is more death tunneling.
It's so funny that I have to say the most pleasant time I've had in this game happens to be rn where everyone is like ok she's gonna die so I don't need to pay attention or death tunnel her anymore cuz its now unnecessary.

[Noraa]

I am not caught up and I'm not posting on this thread tomorrow because I am really done with this game. I wanna bail like Isis but I'd feel shit that my successor would have to put up with more bullshit tunneling especially if my successors a newbie that can't handle death tunneling. I am taking a break from this game. You wanna give me the scroll while I'm away? Go. Do it. I don't care what anyone says or how fucking antitown it looks, I am giving it to LLD when I'm back.

[Noraa]

^or the rest of today

[Noraa]

@mod vla until Saturday

Noted -Hectic

[Noraa]

I got eliminated in three of my games this week so I'll have a lot more time to dedicate to this game. An hour ago I started ISOing and currently I have a read on everyone ... until I got lazy at the end but I might finish it up tomorrow. Have an unfinished reads list. I efforted these quite a bit so please set some time aside to read it. I am finally not overgamed(I had 9 games going on but 1 ended and I just got eliminated in 3 others recently so I finally have a clearer view on everything)

Reads incoming in a few minutes.

[Noraa]

A read for everyone here(I did it by ISO as to make my job much easier otherwise I would've gotten a headache reading the whole entire thread). No one gets excluded

Adorable

Spoiler:

post 244 is this slots opening post and to be absolutely and brutally honest, I still do not like it. Generally, when I see a post sussing me while I'm under a lot pressure, I will never like it but I have taken a hot break and I still don't like it. This means that it's no longer a "I was being emotional" type of thing but rather a much more fair and solid read. "Not understanding why I am being defensive" is a really interesting thing to say here. The reason is that 1)newbies are always defensive. Regardless of my wins/losses, I am a newbie with a little over 2 months of time on ms and that is a fact no one can question. 2)rather than asking why I am being defensive which many people have already pointed out, just state whether its town indicative or scum indicative from your pov. That all aside, I think I am not that convinced this slot is scum anymore. Every single post from this user oozes newbtells. There are 0 independent arguments and every argument is some sort of OMGUS(ie SR on Uno and SR on me). I relate to this on a spiritual level. No matter how many people are sussing me(pressure doesn't matter, any amount will suffice), I will legit just OMGUS the fuck out of them. I always try to justify it otherwise but really ... let's talk facts. Im a noob. I hate pressure. I OMGUS. This is my form of self protection and tho it looks stupid/scummy, it is what it is for now. I hope for that to change as well since it really doesn't help with scum hunting but I can't really do anything about it rn cuz I haven't progressed past the point where I stop caring about pressure and just do my own thing. My reads are still heavily influenced by pressure. This is proven in all of my town games (if anyone wants straight up evidence, I can provide it) This slot oozes newb and reminds me a lot of myself except less active(a lot less active actually). Throwing away all of my SRs on this slot for now. Hot take this slot is just

newbtown

.

Bell

Spoiler:

first glance over and this slot has a lot of LAMISTing(ie posts 125, 139, 520, etc). I think that's slightly scum indicative bc, I generally don't say a lot of that type of stuff as town but I think it could just be play style and im too lazy to meta dive you. I really liked your defense of me at the beginning tho. It was very reasonable and I believe that if I was seeing a newbie slot get tunneled like this, I would also reply like that. I really like the courage there bc I do believe that getting involved in things like this and disagreeing with people taking up town leader positions can often result in you getting thrown straight under the bus. Generally, when I am NOT the person getting tunneled, I have zero fear as town so I think zero fear is town indicative. Indecisiveness(imo) is also for the most part, town indicative. You had a lot of hmm is Noraa scum? Nah maybe they are town. Or maybe they are scum. Etc, etc. This reminds me of my pms with mods when I am a pr. It literally looks like this:

Noraa shoots blah

. Wait wait no

Noraa shoots other blah

. Wait actually no

Noraa shoots other other blah

. Wait no no no

Noraa shoots other blah

. Wait wait wait wait wait

Noraa shoots other other blah

. Argh sorry mod

Noraa shoots other blah

. final decision

Noraa shoots blah

(that was the first decision ) Indecisiveness, though it is slightly a personality trait for me, is generally town indicative. I find myself so much more certain and less flip floppy when scum yet I have so many doubts and lots of paranoia as town. Also one post that asked if I normally post reads lists early in the game was really good cuz thats like investigating in on some meta and stuff. Your a bit fencesitty about your SRs(I can provide examples if asked) but thats generally how I am as well. I've been trying to actually just stick to one read lately but that ends up biting me in the ass a lot of the times too so idk. still trying to find a balance. You remind me a lot of myself sometimes as well. I want to say this slot is likely

town

for now.

Fidget

Spoiler:

Post 36 and 290 scare me. Unlike Bell whose whole play here has been LAMIST-y, your's doesn't stay LAMIST. only the entrance is lamist and that is really scary. I always think first impressions are the most important(ironic cuz I blew mine but nonetheless, I do think this) One of my pretty close online friends once told me that no matter what, everyone will always remember the first impression you left on them. Whether or only subconsciously or like it was just yesterday depends on the person. When you come in with that super LAMIST entrance but then drop it immediately, I get really worried you are just faking a really town look first and dropping it and relaxing once you realize the pressure all got sucked away into a Noraa vortex of doom. You really only talk about me. Every post somehow relates to me. Your reads on everyone have something to do with me. Meaning you are doing 100% preflip analysis and every single read is only true if I flip red. I 100% see that as a hohoho guys I have reads that are all based on Noraa flipping red. And AHA when she flips green, I can just be like ana oop turns out preflip analysis aint that hot eh. Excuse me for not having reads now cuz horrible Noraa lead me astray with her terrible awful playstyle. Most of your posts are 100% sheeping/buddying(ie posts 296(buddying LLD), all the isis buddying, 1265(buddying mush)) or 100% preflip analysis. No posts directly scream preflip analysis but its very clear that she is basically everything off of a red Noraa flip and when that doesn't happen, nothing she says she can't take back. I think this slot is

scum

aorn.

Flea

Spoiler:

I don't have much to say here but I think overall, I agree with literally almost every single post from this user. Well, I ... conditionally agree. Meaning if I was a townie watching myself get tunneled in the current situation, I would have basically the exact same thoughts as Flea as town but VERY different thoughts as scum. As scum, I would just push myself and pocket LLD. This means win/win for scum cuz they aren't even gonna get any SRs for jumping on cuz I was legitimately just playing scummy as fuck, being defensive as fuck, and just failing so badly at obvtowning. Plus pocketing LLD = a big shield that is right in front of you at all times cuz a bigger presence is much more noticeable and will get blamed more likely regardless of alignment. By far the most similar person to me.

TR

.

Gloria

Spoiler:

zero content. absolute lurker. two posts. I hate policy lims but if we are doing one, this is the slot to do it on. that may sound mean but I highly doubt we will get anything out of this slot if they continue with whatever they are doing and im always really paranoid that lurkers are scums cuz if they don't talk, ya can't sort. And if they be scum, ya still can't sort :/ This slot is a big question mark and a

null

.

Hopkirk

Spoiler:

I got lazy. Interpreting what all the verse meant got tiring after a literal 2 posts. I'm going to throw you in the

null

for now. I'll sort you as the day goes on.

LLD

Spoiler:

I can't sort this slot fairly because I literally want this slot to be scum so much that I don't even know what my read is anymore.

Lapsa

Spoiler:

I cannot follow anything of your progressions. I see zero progression in fact. But I feel like I'm obligated to give you a null cuz I gave Gloria a null and there's not a huge difference. Yeah, you 100% seem more opportunistic but I mean its unfair cuz Gloria hasn't said anything about the game and thats worse imo.

Null but scum lean

. None of your votes are justified and you don't engage anyone.

Murder

Spoiler:

Pretty annoyed at this slot atm. I hate that someone that has legit played a whole game with town!me and knows that im a big baby when it comes to not being stubborn, won't hear me out. He claims he engages me and shit but every time it reads to me like "Just fucking accept you are dead bitch. Now calm your ass and solve the whole game for me if you are town. If you don't, then ur scum" I feel forced to give reads but then you just come around and are like "oop well it doesn't matter cuz ur dead meat anyways" When Mush says it, it's different. You know why? Because mush understands that I fucked up but is unwilling to save me. You, on the other hand are basically pressuring me to give reads, pressuring me to not be antitown when I am mad, and constantly just being like "stop being mad noraa. ur dying anyways" That logic doesn't click with me and constantly just repeating the same damn thing to me isn't gonna get you whatever tf it is that you want from me. All you are gonna do is make me MAD. I'm throwing you in my SRs because I believe that town!you would see the town in me considering I am the exact same stubborn and stupid that I was in Roses. You aren't not seeing it. You know it is true but you know I am an easy lim as scum so you are pushing me hard. Thats the best I can interpret your play this game. I think you are

scum

.

Mush

Spoiler:

town

asf. there is no question. your play is 1000000% the same as the last game I was in with you where you were town and I was scum. It's a shame the one game I get to be the same alignment, I fucked myself over.

Pooky

Spoiler:

I don't know. I have trouble reading slots with this playstyle. Jokes can only go so far before they start looking like absolute trolling. I sincerely do not know and have flip flopped multiple times on you. I think I will throw you in the

null

.

Shelly

Spoiler:

ok I struggle with reading shelly and get really paranoid bc she has fooled me all the way before. In roses, I was hard tunneling her slot but she replaced in and I got really paranoid but then was like hmmm these reactions are townie. I ended up dropping the SR and untunneled. She coasted a tiny bit and threw me all the way off. I ended up tunneling elsewhere and almost drove a mislim when she was the last scum. This game, I've gotten quite some scum vibes. The problem is that based on my knowledge from playing with her, when she seems town, she is scum. When she seems scum, she is town. But in the Roses mafia pt, she said that she knew a lot of the players and was going to not play her normal scum game and now im extremely paranoid. I think you are scummy bc of all the buddying up to LLD, all the weird interaction with Bell(if that interaction was SvT, I think you are the scum), also bc of some really weak reasoning(ie post 68) I am absolutely paranoid and I currently still somewhat believe my read is correct so this is a

SR

Taylor

Spoiler:

town

asf. exact reasons as mush. anyone SRing, should meta dive. It's clear she is town. no question at all. I've learned to trust you, Taylor. The reason is that .... you don't really lie to be absolutely honest. I can explain this once its legal otherwise it breaches ongoing game rules so currently I cannot yet.

Theta

Spoiler:

Agreed with Isis on a TR here but flipped a few times and now this slot's

null

. Also im getting tired so the rest of the explanations r gonna be shorter. Edit: they basically dne

Titus/VaultDweller

Spoiler:

VaultDweller I had a scum lean/scumread on. Titus ... eh. Seems to be efforting more than normal. I have trouble reading replacements right away ... they throw me off. I'd like to re-sort this slot later so I'll lower the SR to a

null

for the time being

Toogeloo

Spoiler:

idk

null

for now

Uno

Spoiler:

idk

null

for now

Vaxkiller/Isis

Spoiler:

idk

null

for now

Zdenek

Spoiler:

idk

null

for now

I might go in and finish up the last few ISOs tomorrow but rn im tired. Im going to bed and they r gonna stay null for now.

[Noraa]

I just died in three games. The least you could do is not bully me. Im upset about dying but I literally sugarcoated it over and said I was happy I could effort this game more.

You said you were sad Isis left and no one decided to rub salt on your wounds.

[Noraa]

Anyways im off to bed. Please read when you have time. If you disagree, say it nicely cuz I spent time on this and I went on a hiatus out of frustration towards my games. I just died in 3 and am death tunneled here. Shows exactly why I've been .. to put it nicely, fucking pissed and salty at everything.

I played badly, but give me another chance and I won't disappoint.

[Noraa]

Last thing, I don't think most of town is even convinced im scum. I don't really think its a consensus read because I feel like everyone has had these reads shoved down their throat. I think killing me is 100% a policy lim. Limming off a bad playstyle that actually proves to be helpful to town in the long run(statistics show this :3 I lead 2/3 town games to victory) is not a good choice imo. I'm selling for a pretty fair price. Im annoying, stubborn and useless for a lot of the game but can be extremely helpful towards the end. Doesn't have to be endgame. The longer into the game, the better my play gets. Go meta dive if you don't believe me.

[Noraa]

Ok fr I am off to bed. Frustrated with the game yet again but i think I'll be better tomorrow after a long run in the morning.

[Noraa]

maybe it's people with info who are finding town reads on you?

peoples reads on me affect my reads on them. this I don't deny. Im not to the point in my ms career where I can disregard those entirely. This is an interesting point that I haven't put too much weight into this game. Ur telling me they are scum TMI-ing. Interesting. I'll think about it though I still dislike your play this game a shit ton. You keep saying I would do all of this as town but you wanna kill me anyways. Unlike the rest, you are saying this is exactly my townplay yet you still want me dead.

[Noraa]

Ok frfr this time.

[Noraa]

Yeah, WIM means you want to win. Which as either town or scum is a compliment!

I didn't think in that context it was a compliment. I high efforted a reads list and pookys comment came off as a ms version of "wow what a try hard"

Noraa, why do you feel obligated to try so hard in this game?

My last town game, I came close dying day 1 and I high efforted a huge readslist which imo helped the game, helped clear my mind, and helped save my ass.

[Noraa]

I never see posts like the one fidget just made come from town. Ever.
Why do I have so many scum reads this game.

You think fidget is scum too?

you made plenty of posts after I offered the trade and me going 2nd is the only way the town consensus on Noraa gets enforced.

i think most people have noraa as maybe town now. she needs to be flipped, but not so much that we give you second shot. if i go first im shooting a lurker slot or a scum slot other than you.

so if im mostly scum, I have to die. If im mostly town, I also have to die. really?

Well, I guess I'd have to ask you what about it strikes you as towny. Do you know?

sometimes its kinda hard to explain tone but that tone reeks of newbtown, and the UNO/noraa logic vibes with my own logic (UNO forcedly bussing noraa)

shelly when have I ever posted a huge ginormous wall besides in town games to save my ass?

[Noraa]

Noraa's read list was interesting enough, but she is very

capable of high effort as scum in this situation

. It's a bit mean if she is town but we are in a game state where there appears to actually be an overwhelming majority that thinks she is scum so I believe the best way forward is to clarify that at the first opportunity. Going through the process of cursing two players while this is hanging over the game does not seem a very smart idea.

Adorable's spiderweb accusation against me which connected together posts from three different players was pretty earnest, which could suggest newbtown. I think it will be possible to get a more solid read there as they post more.

capable =/= will.
I have always ALWAYS as scum claimed that I would post a huge wall. But I have NEVER actually done that. They either didnt get a wall OR they got a rip off short wall. I don't high effort as scum. I'll spam the fucking thread but I will never sit down and spend over an hour just typing up a damn readslist.

[Noraa]

I went and found the post. It took me legit like three hours bc I didnt ISO ... I just read the entire dang thread

Spoiler:

This post was written Friday night. I didn't check the thread until after shelly was hammered and didn't read up until my full reread on the game that night.

Rereading the entire thread here are my thoughts:

Datisi putting pressure on me over me saying he needed to justify his vote if it wasn't a rvs vote is strange. It's very strange bc in general votes need to be justified and putting pressure on a newb and making them feel like they weren't supposed to ask is just not rubbing the right way. Questioning my use of the terms antitown and scummy was definitely strange as well. Datisi's whole "let Bm look like the one tunneling while adding some pressure on Noraa "was a really really strange approach that doesn't strike me as towny ngl.


Bm being condescending and provocative doesn't seem to be AI. I meta dived or technically I literally read like the tiniest bit of his first game on site back in 2007 and people called him condescending and provocative. I think this may just be personality/playstyle so as much as I'm still a bit salty, I will try to be open minded about this when rereading.

Bob came in and joined in putting pressure on me. So alright I admit after the first few days of day one, I in a way, kinda stopped trying. I felt greatly discouraged and honestly just wanted to replace out. However rereading I personally do not think I was being antitown or scummy at the time as I had not given up on the game that early. So anyone that joined in putting pressure on me is definitely in my slight scum lean list.

Bm's whole thing about not liking to lie and not caring about anyone's opinion except his own is a strange post to make day 1. It's just very .... strange and I dont understand why scum or town would say something like this tbh.

So Bob continues to be active but not inputting much useful info. It seems he is siding with bm in the bmvnoraa thing but is mostly dealing in fluff anyways. he is not trying to get too involved and is trying to extend rvs in a way.

Mena popping in and saying BmvNoraa, something that happened in the first 5 pages, is TvS is VERY scummy. I absolutely hate that. It almost feels like scum TMIing and trying to set up two mislims bc they know both bm and I are town. If bm is Mena's scum partner, he wouldn't say that. this is why Mena and BM aren't scum together imo. Mena's flipflopping between me and bm is concerning as well.

Post #166 was when I started giving up. Everything before post 166 was when I believe I was giving this game my normal which is a ton a ton of attention and thought. After this I was considering just lurking or replacing out because I was pretty upset about how things were playing out and felt low-key bullied over nothing cuz as I said, I gave it my normal and the responses I got weren't nice especially from bm. Btw dont tell me wanting to lurk or replace out is scummy bc I seriously was upset about it. I have zero games, finished or ongoing where I actively lurk. My post counts are generally the highest and I'm spammy as hell normally. This game truly upset me and there's nothing more to that.

Taylor comes in and immediately takes my side which I can definitely see as trying to pocket. Taylor has been in games with me and I think anyone thats been in a game with me before can 100% tell that I was actually quite upset. And since I'm a pretty emotionally driven person, when I'm upset is the perfect time for scum to come pocket.

Back to Mena. Mena's Fos on BM just looks OMGUSy to me. The change to me isn't well justified either. I think the flip floppiness is actually a town tell as the entire thing was quite confusing if I do say so myself. towns reaction should be confusion imo. I was in it myself so I got a different view on things but I think a normal townies reaction should be to be confused. Mena is in my town book for townie confusion.

Post 199 feels town. Taylor was JKer in one of the games I finished with her. I'm getting the same vibes from there here so Taylor is in my early town book as well for meta reasons. Another thing is that Taylor seems quite a bit emotionally driven this game and that is 100% a town tell for her.

Piis entrance strikes me as town here. The post covers a little bit of everything, had some good reasons, didn't tunnel or focus on anything specifically yet, and had a nice summary. Pii in my early town book as well for this very towny sounding first post.

TGP's entrance is a terrible look. It reeks of scumminess. TGP thinks tunneling is scummy whereas I actually am fairly certain that tunneling is actually something town unintentionally does. TGP also calls me confident when all of my reads are very uncertain and very not confident. I feel like this is scum just twisting everything up to make some scumtells out of nothing.

Shelly I honestly felt was pretty scummy this round but I will not state anything on her since we already got a flip and she was town.

Alonzo is one of the people that caught my attention even in my ~salty~ phase and still is in my town book. The reasoning is that most his perspectives I think are much more likely to come from town than scum. The mena SR coming in wasn't scummy bc scums easiest thing to do is choose one out of {Bm, Noraa} and yeet them to hell. Alonzo's unvote soon after makes me really like thinking of that slot as town bc I also started off SRing mena but then TRing.

Teacher's entrance is a load of fluff which is an interesting take considering we moved out of rvs pretty fast and he was a bit late entering. The more you see of teacher, the more towny he seems. He moves into good questions really fast and almost all of his questions prompt or try to prompt good discussion that move the game forward. Town book. Strong TR.

Ico's entrance was ... interesting and gave me a null read on them but then their switch from mena to me and then off of me was very scummy. I felt like Ico came in and tried to pocket me(defends me all over the place despite saying they didn't want to take a defensive stance on me) but then realized I was great limbait and decided to start setting me up to be the day 1 lim. Ico pushes that NoraavBM is TvT but then flips and calls me scum. Idk I dont like the flip flopping.

Datisi focuses on me too much. His ISO reflects it and I find it scummy. It looks like very low-key tunneling that hidden really well.

iamausername is a null read. Idk not much to say there. Their reads r interesting takes and I generally agree with them but I'm not feeling immense towniness here so I think they belong in null.

Bob lurks a lil. cherry picks interesting things to reply to.

Datisi tunnels quite a bit imo. I think he'll go to my town lean for that.

TGP's switch from Noraa to BM is terrible. I hatehatehatehate. Switch to shelly over one post is scummy as well. Sheeps some newbtown reads on me. Strong SR now. Backtracks and says the TR on me is weak and I basically shouldn't question it otherwise it'll disappear. The post was a bit of a "threat" TGP is also very fence sitty as shown in post 650.

Bob clings to BMvNoraa. Reasserts my slight scum lean. He never tries to solve anything else.

see posts like 630 are why I dislike BM.

I admit I got a bit tired rereading so I ended up skimming a lot of the in between pages. 84 pages is a lot and it took me ~3 hours to read it all even when more than half was skimmed.

Scum:

Ico, Bob, Datisi, BM, TGP (in no particular order)

Null:

Iamausername

Town:
Mena, Taylor, Pii/Bunno, Alonzo, Teacher (in no particular order)


Most scum: TGP(even tho their posts got better later)

Most town: Alonzo/Teacher

Added on Sunday:
Holy fuck that flash wagon on Taylor... y'all literally hammered before I took one look at the thread. I logged onto ms and saw mod's pm that day 2 had started, checked the thread and it was locked. I thought mod hadn't opened thread yet until I saw the thread was night phase and Taylor was limmed in a literal 3 pages or something. Bm is confscum so that's our lim today but even tho its decided, we have to talk things thru bc we already mislimmed twice and wasted away day 2's time. We can't let scum!BM self hammer and waste our discussion time.

[Noraa]

Now lets go see my scum games where I PROMISED a read.

[Noraa]

On this day and _____ that has ended except mod hasn't checked thread yet
so thats two scum games that I promised reads yet never really gave them a high efforted one like promised

[Noraa]

@Noraa - I'm online and going through stuff and want to interact with you a bit in real time. Idk if I'm starting to buy that 'hard effortposting Noraa' on the last five or so pages feels like town. Can you describe how you feel scum you would react in this scenario (basically to this whole game). literally just shoot me up with a post full of AOE? Also, please don't shoot Lady. I know you don't like their play this game, but it's a town slot and really doesn't have the influence you think.

No. I cannot at all know what I would do as scum here. I'm an unpredictable player. Literally can't even read myself or understand why I do half the things I do as town. My best guess would be that as scum, I'd be pushing some LHF or Taylor hard rn. The reason for pushing LHF is obvious. Those are easy to mislim and as long as someone else is already on that LHF, I can just hide in the shadows and give it a small push. The reason for pushing Taylor is because I can say she is scum TMI-ing. I have actually thought about that this game that maybe she really was scum TMI-ing but Mush had the exact same thought process and I highly doubt the scum team has both of them. Town me wouldn't push her because 1)she TRs me and that makes me feel too bad to SR her and 2)I feel like at least someone believes me
scum me would likely deflect to her right now bc I can, as murder said, I can justify it by saying something like "eyyy this be scum TMI-ing"

Btw you are trying so hard to shift attention that it makes me think ur a big hypocrite. You talk to me exactly like how Murder does except you yourself have been tunneled by LLD before. In fact, you panicked quite a bit when the pressure on you was legit the tiniest speck of dust compared to the pressure placed on me. And I take it you aren't even a noob. Take some time and think about a town!noraa situation cuz you aren't. You are just going with the flow and sussing me when I 100% feel like if LLD had gone thru with the tunneling, you would be dead meat rn. Think about how it feels to have people just be like "Stop fighting. I don't give a shit that you try hard. You're dead now stfu" If you are town, you should be able to understand why I am reacting the way I am.

On this day and _____ that has ended except mod hasn't checked thread yet
so thats two scum games that I promised reads yet never really gave them a high efforted one like promised

Eh, my enduring memory from On This Day is that you kept swinging way after everyone had confirmed-scum you and in _______ you certainly did make a read list despite being done for, it is etched in my mind as about 20% of the reason I got paranoid at the end. I suppose they were not as substantial as this game though.

Q: Why did you think that I should not view you as scum in this game based on the games we have played (at the point you asked me)?

So tell me Uno. On this day was bad right? I was widely SRed and went down really fast.
But then after 2 entire scum games, I went into So many bats and what happened? I was widely TRed. If it weren't for a weak fn targeting me, do you really think I would've died that fast? My playstyle got so much better and I literally fooled everyone to hell and back. You really think it would get twenty billion times worse this fast? I literally 100% of the time make it to endgame if I am scum unless someone guilties me. Does that really not say something about my scum game?

My town game is bullshit compared to my scum game. It is very obvious. Uno you should know. Plus this may be a bad argument but like ... you really think all three games you play with me I will be scum? No. I think you are just being paranoid like duppin. Sure, both games he SRed me in(that have finished), I was scum. But I absolutely think it was paranoia against me that resulted in those. My scum game gets me universally TRed. My town game gets me universally SRed. I think its very clear what's up.

Sorry, why is uno scum?

i dont have the WIM to do a full casing rn but uno basically tried and maximise townred through SR on noraa and seemingly wanting a lot of credit for it, the positioning around noraa was pretty bus-y, and their play today is trying to poke questions at me without actually solving or making conclusions

..................................................................................
I read shelly wrong in roses and whatever the one that just finished was called(ffery modded it)
But ... I'm getting a lot of scum vibes. These aggressive pushes on me remind me a ton of scum!shelly tunneling. The prob is that I thought shelly was scum in the game ffery modded for tunneling my slot but she was a JKer :/
I want to hear some cases on shelly bc there are times where I am certain she is an alignment but this one isn't one of those....

i'd swap fidget -> zdenek in your solve but the rest of this seems quite solid

p-edit: why re you so confident in lld's ability to find scum

Supportive scum Shellyc tactic #2.

explain please I don't understand

[Noraa]

I'll keep my vote on Noraa, but I will vote Taylor if needed.

If there is no other plans, I'm not sure why this is being drug out.

you even reading the thread? Have you seen me case myself? have you seen my explanations? my reads?

[Noraa]

can you go read them?

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

I got eliminated in three of my games this week so I'll have a lot more time to dedicate to this game. An hour ago I started ISOing and currently I have a read on everyone ... until I got lazy at the end but I might finish it up tomorrow. Have an unfinished reads list. I efforted these quite a bit so please set some time aside to read it. I am finally not overgamed(I had 9 games going on but 1 ended and I just got eliminated in 3 others recently so I finally have a clearer view on everything)

Reads incoming in a few minutes.

A read for everyone here(I did it by ISO as to make my job much easier otherwise I would've gotten a headache reading the whole entire thread). No one gets excluded

Adorable

Spoiler:

post 244 is this slots opening post and to be absolutely and brutally honest, I still do not like it. Generally, when I see a post sussing me while I'm under a lot pressure, I will never like it but I have taken a hot break and I still don't like it. This means that it's no longer a "I was being emotional" type of thing but rather a much more fair and solid read. "Not understanding why I am being defensive" is a really interesting thing to say here. The reason is that 1)newbies are always defensive. Regardless of my wins/losses, I am a newbie with a little over 2 months of time on ms and that is a fact no one can question. 2)rather than asking why I am being defensive which many people have already pointed out, just state whether its town indicative or scum indicative from your pov. That all aside, I think I am not that convinced this slot is scum anymore. Every single post from this user oozes newbtells. There are 0 independent arguments and every argument is some sort of OMGUS(ie SR on Uno and SR on me). I relate to this on a spiritual level. No matter how many people are sussing me(pressure doesn't matter, any amount will suffice), I will legit just OMGUS the fuck out of them. I always try to justify it otherwise but really ... let's talk facts. Im a noob. I hate pressure. I OMGUS. This is my form of self protection and tho it looks stupid/scummy, it is what it is for now. I hope for that to change as well since it really doesn't help with scum hunting but I can't really do anything about it rn cuz I haven't progressed past the point where I stop caring about pressure and just do my own thing. My reads are still heavily influenced by pressure. This is proven in all of my town games (if anyone wants straight up evidence, I can provide it) This slot oozes newb and reminds me a lot of myself except less active(a lot less active actually). Throwing away all of my SRs on this slot for now. Hot take this slot is just

newbtown

.

Bell

Spoiler:

first glance over and this slot has a lot of LAMISTing(ie posts 125, 139, 520, etc). I think that's slightly scum indicative bc, I generally don't say a lot of that type of stuff as town but I think it could just be play style and im too lazy to meta dive you. I really liked your defense of me at the beginning tho. It was very reasonable and I believe that if I was seeing a newbie slot get tunneled like this, I would also reply like that. I really like the courage there bc I do believe that getting involved in things like this and disagreeing with people taking up town leader positions can often result in you getting thrown straight under the bus. Generally, when I am NOT the person getting tunneled, I have zero fear as town so I think zero fear is town indicative. Indecisiveness(imo) is also for the most part, town indicative. You had a lot of hmm is Noraa scum? Nah maybe they are town. Or maybe they are scum. Etc, etc. This reminds me of my pms with mods when I am a pr. It literally looks like this:

Noraa shoots blah

. Wait wait no

Noraa shoots other blah

. Wait actually no

Noraa shoots other other blah

. Wait no no no

Noraa shoots other blah

. Wait wait wait wait wait

Noraa shoots other other blah

. Argh sorry mod

Noraa shoots other blah

. final decision

Noraa shoots blah

(that was the first decision ) Indecisiveness, though it is slightly a personality trait for me, is generally town indicative. I find myself so much more certain and less flip floppy when scum yet I have so many doubts and lots of paranoia as town. Also one post that asked if I normally post reads lists early in the game was really good cuz thats like investigating in on some meta and stuff. Your a bit fencesitty about your SRs(I can provide examples if asked) but thats generally how I am as well. I've been trying to actually just stick to one read lately but that ends up biting me in the ass a lot of the times too so idk. still trying to find a balance. You remind me a lot of myself sometimes as well. I want to say this slot is likely

town

for now.

Fidget

Spoiler:

Post 36 and 290 scare me. Unlike Bell whose whole play here has been LAMIST-y, your's doesn't stay LAMIST. only the entrance is lamist and that is really scary. I always think first impressions are the most important(ironic cuz I blew mine but nonetheless, I do think this) One of my pretty close online friends once told me that no matter what, everyone will always remember the first impression you left on them. Whether or only subconsciously or like it was just yesterday depends on the person. When you come in with that super LAMIST entrance but then drop it immediately, I get really worried you are just faking a really town look first and dropping it and relaxing once you realize the pressure all got sucked away into a Noraa vortex of doom. You really only talk about me. Every post somehow relates to me. Your reads on everyone have something to do with me. Meaning you are doing 100% preflip analysis and every single read is only true if I flip red. I 100% see that as a hohoho guys I have reads that are all based on Noraa flipping red. And AHA when she flips green, I can just be like ana oop turns out preflip analysis aint that hot eh. Excuse me for not having reads now cuz horrible Noraa lead me astray with her terrible awful playstyle. Most of your posts are 100% sheeping/buddying(ie posts 296(buddying LLD), all the isis buddying, 1265(buddying mush)) or 100% preflip analysis. No posts directly scream preflip analysis but its very clear that she is basically everything off of a red Noraa flip and when that doesn't happen, nothing she says she can't take back. I think this slot is

scum

aorn.

Flea

Spoiler:

I don't have much to say here but I think overall, I agree with literally almost every single post from this user. Well, I ... conditionally agree. Meaning if I was a townie watching myself get tunneled in the current situation, I would have basically the exact same thoughts as Flea as town but VERY different thoughts as scum. As scum, I would just push myself and pocket LLD. This means win/win for scum cuz they aren't even gonna get any SRs for jumping on cuz I was legitimately just playing scummy as fuck, being defensive as fuck, and just failing so badly at obvtowning. Plus pocketing LLD = a big shield that is right in front of you at all times cuz a bigger presence is much more noticeable and will get blamed more likely regardless of alignment. By far the most similar person to me.

TR

.

Gloria

Spoiler:

zero content. absolute lurker. two posts. I hate policy lims but if we are doing one, this is the slot to do it on. that may sound mean but I highly doubt we will get anything out of this slot if they continue with whatever they are doing and im always really paranoid that lurkers are scums cuz if they don't talk, ya can't sort. And if they be scum, ya still can't sort :/ This slot is a big question mark and a

null

.

Hopkirk

Spoiler:

I got lazy. Interpreting what all the verse meant got tiring after a literal 2 posts. I'm going to throw you in the

null

for now. I'll sort you as the day goes on.

LLD

Spoiler:

I can't sort this slot fairly because I literally want this slot to be scum so much that I don't even know what my read is anymore.

Lapsa

Spoiler:

I cannot follow anything of your progressions. I see zero progression in fact. But I feel like I'm obligated to give you a null cuz I gave Gloria a null and there's not a huge difference. Yeah, you 100% seem more opportunistic but I mean its unfair cuz Gloria hasn't said anything about the game and thats worse imo.

Null but scum lean

. None of your votes are justified and you don't engage anyone.

Murder

Spoiler:

Pretty annoyed at this slot atm. I hate that someone that has legit played a whole game with town!me and knows that im a big baby when it comes to not being stubborn, won't hear me out. He claims he engages me and shit but every time it reads to me like "Just fucking accept you are dead bitch. Now calm your ass and solve the whole game for me if you are town. If you don't, then ur scum" I feel forced to give reads but then you just come around and are like "oop well it doesn't matter cuz ur dead meat anyways" When Mush says it, it's different. You know why? Because mush understands that I fucked up but is unwilling to save me. You, on the other hand are basically pressuring me to give reads, pressuring me to not be antitown when I am mad, and constantly just being like "stop being mad noraa. ur dying anyways" That logic doesn't click with me and constantly just repeating the same damn thing to me isn't gonna get you whatever tf it is that you want from me. All you are gonna do is make me MAD. I'm throwing you in my SRs because I believe that town!you would see the town in me considering I am the exact same stubborn and stupid that I was in Roses. You aren't not seeing it. You know it is true but you know I am an easy lim as scum so you are pushing me hard. Thats the best I can interpret your play this game. I think you are

scum

.

Mush

Spoiler:

town

asf. there is no question. your play is 1000000% the same as the last game I was in with you where you were town and I was scum. It's a shame the one game I get to be the same alignment, I fucked myself over.

Pooky

Spoiler:

I don't know. I have trouble reading slots with this playstyle. Jokes can only go so far before they start looking like absolute trolling. I sincerely do not know and have flip flopped multiple times on you. I think I will throw you in the

null

.

Shelly

Spoiler:

ok I struggle with reading shelly and get really paranoid bc she has fooled me all the way before. In roses, I was hard tunneling her slot but she replaced in and I got really paranoid but then was like hmmm these reactions are townie. I ended up dropping the SR and untunneled. She coasted a tiny bit and threw me all the way off. I ended up tunneling elsewhere and almost drove a mislim when she was the last scum. This game, I've gotten quite some scum vibes. The problem is that based on my knowledge from playing with her, when she seems town, she is scum. When she seems scum, she is town. But in the Roses mafia pt, she said that she knew a lot of the players and was going to not play her normal scum game and now im extremely paranoid. I think you are scummy bc of all the buddying up to LLD, all the weird interaction with Bell(if that interaction was SvT, I think you are the scum), also bc of some really weak reasoning(ie post 68) I am absolutely paranoid and I currently still somewhat believe my read is correct so this is a

SR

Taylor

Spoiler:

town

asf. exact reasons as mush. anyone SRing, should meta dive. It's clear she is town. no question at all. I've learned to trust you, Taylor. The reason is that .... you don't really lie to be absolutely honest. I can explain this once its legal otherwise it breaches ongoing game rules so currently I cannot yet.

Theta

Spoiler:

Agreed with Isis on a TR here but flipped a few times and now this slot's

null

. Also im getting tired so the rest of the explanations r gonna be shorter. Edit: they basically dne

Titus/VaultDweller

Spoiler:

VaultDweller I had a scum lean/scumread on. Titus ... eh. Seems to be efforting more than normal. I have trouble reading replacements right away ... they throw me off. I'd like to re-sort this slot later so I'll lower the SR to a

null

for the time being

Toogeloo

Spoiler:

idk

null

for now

Uno

Spoiler:

idk

null

for now

Vaxkiller/Isis

Spoiler:

idk

null

for now

Zdenek

Spoiler:

idk

null

for now

I might go in and finish up the last few ISOs tomorrow but rn im tired. Im going to bed and they r gonna stay null for now.

Last thing, I don't think most of town is even convinced im scum. I don't really think its a consensus read because I feel like everyone has had these reads shoved down their throat. I think killing me is 100% a policy lim. Limming off a bad playstyle that actually proves to be helpful to town in the long run(statistics show this :3 I lead 2/3 town games to victory) is not a good choice imo. I'm selling for a pretty fair price. Im annoying, stubborn and useless for a lot of the game but can be extremely helpful towards the end. Doesn't have to be endgame. The longer into the game, the better my play gets. Go meta dive if you don't believe me.

Noraa's read list was interesting enough, but she is very

capable of high effort as scum in this situation

. It's a bit mean if she is town but we are in a game state where there appears to actually be an overwhelming majority that thinks she is scum so I believe the best way forward is to clarify that at the first opportunity. Going through the process of cursing two players while this is hanging over the game does not seem a very smart idea.

Adorable's spiderweb accusation against me which connected together posts from three different players was pretty earnest, which could suggest newbtown. I think it will be possible to get a more solid read there as they post more.

capable =/= will.
I have always ALWAYS as scum claimed that I would post a huge wall. But I have NEVER actually done that. They either didnt get a wall OR they got a rip off short wall. I don't high effort as scum. I'll spam the fucking thread but I will never sit down and spend over an hour just typing up a damn readslist.

[Noraa]

Hectic can you fix the spoiler for me?

BBCode doesn't allow nested spoilers. -Hectic

[Noraa]

Shorter form:

1667, 1668, 1677, 1722

[Noraa]

^read these four posts

[Noraa]

I disagree. I think every situation where I am town, I have hope. I even normally think that as scum but I believe in it more as town is all.

[Noraa]

Town can fuck up and fix it imo. Thats how I always think about it.

[Noraa]

you want me to believe you read mountains of words in 3 minutes. That won't do.

[Noraa]

As aggressive as I was to you, and you had nothing to say about me.

.........I specifically said. I got lazy and went to bed before finishing the last 4.

[Noraa]

I have never seen you as town, why should I know?

because I specifically quoted things from a town game where I was tunneled day 1.

[Noraa]

"there is less flailing going on here, so maybe this is town Noraa"

no one tunneled me in that game. I was universally TRed. That is my point. If I can get universally TRed, why would scum!me choose to go about a game in the way I did?

[Noraa]

because I specifically quoted things from a town game where I was tunneled day 1.

So not based on our previous games?

I don't think it is the same as the past two games I was in with you at all. I was not hard tunneled in either. Yes I flailed in OTD but like I subbed into a lurker slot with a partner that repped out really quick. I was dealt a bad hand. Whereas here, there are 20 whole people. Would scum!me really have such a hard time blending into the crowd?

[Noraa]

My plan in so many bats was to blend into the crowd. And guess what? I fucking did.

[Noraa]

Pooky called you out on a meta tell, then LLD swung hard at you.

pookys meta tell was me saying in a finished game that I fake town slips as scum. Wow so? I was TRed in that game for some reasons like not knowing how many votes to kill. It wasn't even a townslip. I legitimately did not know. Like I just don't pay attention and that really doesn't say anything towards my alignment.

LLD swung hard at me. Yeah. But like scum!me would likely just lay low for a bit and watch town tear itself up, come back and jump on a wagon.

[Noraa]

The town slip that I forced into that game was I said there were 2 scums. I don't fucking ask how many scums there are in a scum game. I just say a number that's wrong and BOOM towncred.

[Noraa]

Your entire defense is to constantly talk about your own meta. You know that doesn't work, right?

no it does. bc it is consistent and I am too green to manipulate meta

[Noraa]

Mafiasunny

[Noraa]

I went around and deflected like crazy

[Noraa]

I hyperposted the last two days but before that I was a semi lurker

[Noraa]

I laid low and let town kill off its people. I hammered my buddy and then I high efforted only at the very very end bc I saw the limpool was {me, gamma} and gamma was being really quiet. I saw an opportunity to high effort and win the game so I did that.
It's day 1. I don't high effort this early in any scum game no matter what. All 4 of my scum games have basically zero effort until day 3 and on, except the one where I got guiltied and died day 2 >:(

[Noraa]

Its self meta, yes
but isn't pooky using something that I commented about myself against me?

[Noraa]

OOG

what's oog?

[Noraa]

well I already gave examples of other games.

[Noraa]

no motivation to lie

I said I fake town slipped in every single scum game so far. When that game ended, i had 2 finished scum games. What I said wasn't even self meta. If was pure facts that you would know if you had read the games. So really I don't see why that can be used against me but I can't use self meta.

[Noraa]

I hyperposted the last two days but before that I was a semi lurker

I will review it at some point but if you did not receive too much flack early that still isn't really comparable to this game.

I was at E-1 at one point but continued to just lurk until I found the perfect opportunity to direct attention elsewhere

[Noraa]

Man my bloodlust for Noraa's AtE is so hungy

good to know but I will squash your opinions right back if u start tunneling again.

[Noraa]

I definitely feel like Hopkirk saw what happened to me and is genuinely terrified of LLD. Theres quite a bit of desperate pocketing happening here.

[Noraa]

I ask you to look at my pov(as you say "get into someones head") but instead you just come buddy the biggest personality in the thread. Smart but also maybe scum.

[Noraa]

I do not get pissed in any threads besides mafia games but you can read them if you want. Though then you are required to add my threads into your ego
fair trade

[Noraa]

I do not ever give my political opinion to avoid clashing. I really only get pissed when people tunnel me. Theres nothing else here that can really piss me off.

[Noraa]

I took your posts fairly seriously but I can see why they are just jokes.

[Noraa]

Yeah ... that was concerning. Lapsa has posted like 2 things but replies faster than I check this thread(which is a very fast speed for the most part)

[Noraa]

I saw on Noraa's recent reads list she put me as newbtown and I find this strange she still leaves her vote on me.

@Theta You never responded to #1658 and your theory looks really weird. shelly said on #347 Noraa hates bussing.

I forgot about that
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