TENET - Game Over

[Brian Skies]

But I was excited that you’re in my stream spiffeh

You were pretty much last I thought wanted to red rover

(Cept you muffin and you Brian)

Yeah, as much as I'd like to play with Notty, I'm very happy I got this thread.

Not really a fan of Spiffeh already trying to bounce.

[Brian Skies]

Spiffeh, do you not love us anymore?

[Brian Skies]

I think there's a nonzero chance scum-Spiffeh would be terrified of this playerlist.

I mean, look who we have here.

Nacho+Tammy
Muffin
Pooky
unwnd
Bell
Etc etc

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Spiffeh

[Brian Skies]

Brian do you feel particularly motivated for this game?

-E

Do I know you?

[Brian Skies]

so we should turnstile the believed scum on day 1 and day 2
if its pure town in this thread before night 2, we're all confirmed town!
but the inverted thread will turnstile the scum
and...
we need coordination?

Oh, wow.

This is genius.

[Brian Skies]

If you don't belong here, get out bruh.

I know we're awesome and all, but there's a line, and it's called the public turnstile.

[Brian Skies]

I like the idea of yeeting scummy players out of our thread.

[Brian Skies]

I think I'm fine with the idea of them sending their towniest players over here and we can send our scumreads over there.

[Brian Skies]

The rewards for winning one battle are tremendous. The second we annihilate SATOR in one of the two time-streams, every single person in that timestream becomes an IC However there is a time limit for this bonus - it must happen BEFORE night 2.

I can help make this happen.

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Turnstile: unwnd

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: Purple Room: Imperium

[Brian Skies]

if there's 4 scum in your timeline and 2 in ours your plan will literally just fail because it will be impossible to remove all scum by day2

Even if there are 4 scum in our timeline, it's still possible for us to yeet all four of them by the end of Day 2 (2 eliminations, 2 turnstiles). I can also help expedite the process.

[Brian Skies]

Worst case scenario, scum doesn't consent to the turnstile.

Then we just eliminate them.

[Brian Skies]

Firebringer, you

wound

me.

[Brian Skies]

I think the potential for 7-9 (idk how many it would be, math is hard) or so town clears is really tough to pass up.

[Brian Skies]

Idk, Spiffeh.

You suddenly wanting to stay makes me want to eliminate you all the more (nope, no turnstile for you!).

[Brian Skies]

Firebringer, I'm town.

[Brian Skies]

can we tell them to no turnstile just to avoid flying scum over here

If they don't turnstile, then I believe we can't turnstile tomorrow.

[Brian Skies]

Firebringer, I'm town.

prove it

Idk how to respond to this.

If only it were that easy without running into trust tell issues (which I don't have anyway).

[Brian Skies]

Firebringer, I'd ask you to come over here so I can smack you with my vote, but idk if you're worthy enough to bask in all our glory just yet.

[Brian Skies]

....This is gunna be a two tab game isn't it.

Yes.

[Brian Skies]

Hi Muffin!

[Brian Skies]

I would like to purple room it tonight.

I was leaning towards letting you go anyway.

[Brian Skies]

I feel like it will be difficult to convince the reverse timeline to go with our proposal. Funny thing is we don't need their consent to attempt it anyway.

[Brian Skies]

Eh, I only want Tammy to move over if it's good for town.

+points for being open about it early tho.

Out of curiosity, what do you mean by 'Tammy moving over'?

[Brian Skies]

Yes, but they're asking to go to the Purple Room, which is a one-night neighborhood with someone from the other game.

[Brian Skies]

Mod said not to discuss the replace-out, and he was force-replaced anyway.

[Brian Skies]

wait why is bell trying to roleplay as me

there aint enough room in this game for two useless people

Better step your game up (or down?) then!

[Brian Skies]

so apparently the inverse of town is town

is that cakez's meta commentary on town throwing or something?

I just got this. Lol.

[Brian Skies]

Can they send us Deacon instead of the bear?

[Brian Skies]

Can they send us Deacon instead of the bear?

I take this back.

If they're sending us townreads, I think I'd rather have fferyhydra over there.

[Brian Skies]

When you say 'cult', is that synonymous with 'scum'? Or do you actually mean some other third-party alignment vibe?

[Brian Skies]

kool aid

Lol.

[Brian Skies]

I like notty this game. I'm okay with him being sent over. You can leave his hydra partner behind though.

[Brian Skies]

Nah, Notty and I are in sync on your 1v1 spat.

I disagree with him on Firebringer though.

[Brian Skies]

Or maybe I disagree with Deacon on Firepup. Either way I think Firepup is town.

[Brian Skies]

I also distrust the Cabd slot.

[Brian Skies]

the fact that neither you put forth a decent explanation for Bell!town is interesting if not scummy

It's not a super confident read or anything, but I feel like Bell's posting feels fairly townish here, and nothing has given me scumvibes.

Idk how to explain it beyond that. Notty might understand where I'm coming from though.

[Brian Skies]

Yeah, I can see that Notty. I mostly just don't think Bell's been scummy.

[Brian Skies]

Spoiler: Bell Quotes

VOTE: Pisskop

Probably more likely to be scum I guess.

Ngl, I read the set up once and I have no fucking clue what's optimal play there.

There is a mechanic to swap threads there may or may not be beneficial reasons to do that for town and scum. But you prolly know that.

Eh, I only want Tammy to move over if it's good for town.

+points for being open about it early tho.

Sorry Brian. Sorry Mod. It skipped my mind. I'm scattered.

Kinda lukewarm about Pooky coming in saying he was PUMPED and was like yes we're gonna do this, and this, and this

Then after waving his finger at me he dipped

This is kinda why I voted Piskop and sort of Gyphx. scum read Gyphx for staying up all night to be first post but then begged off to sleep the second he got first post. I kind of know that it's his thing though to be first post person. So laned on piskop instead, though kop seems kind of confident in himself!

I'm never going to read this game.

^All of these make me lean toward town on Bell. Also lack of scum pings elsewhere.

[Brian Skies]

Also, Notty and I have at least three hydra accounts together. We should be in sync at some point before one of us decides to neglect the game or Bulge influences his judgment.

[Brian Skies]

I was a little worried about brian when the game opened; didn't like his reasons for spiffeh in that first post; i think there is pretty obvious potential town motivation for wanting to switch threads

I'm going to be honest with you. While I can see this now, I didn't consider the town motivation for it until I read your thread.

Like, your thread seemed more concerned about utilizing roles by using the turnstile.

My thread seemed to care a lot more about yeeting scum and making a large confirmed townblock.

[Brian Skies]

I have a townread on everyone but zmuffin so far. He's null.

I would find this bizarre if it were anyone but you.

[Brian Skies]

Well, Pooky, I'd like you to know that I have like 7 reads that I think are pretty town and you're one of them.

And an additional one that I think could be town but they want to turnstile so may not be a problem.

And another one that may or may not be scum but they also want to turnstile so may not be a problem.

One slot that is/was being townread by players in the other thread but don't understand why based on what I've seen thus far.

And two slots that will probably get yeeted out of this game.

I'm nowhere near caught up in the other thread though.

[Brian Skies]

Does anyone know what the other thread is planning to do with regards to our proposal?

[Brian Skies]

Pooky. No. Please.

[Brian Skies]

Would prefer if I

Talked like this

And sanctioned my thoughts

In a very obstructive way instead of in paragraph form?

I'm just saying

Wall brings

Ch

aracter

I like to separate my thoughts.

I find that posts from players who do this are easier to read and I tend to gloss over giant blocks of text, so I figure other players probably gloss over them too.

[Brian Skies]

I think Almost50's opening post is the worst post itg so far

I agree with this btw.

I would vote but we need to figure out what we're doing with the turnstiles.

[Brian Skies]

um I'm not sure how you can townread me after 11 posts.

11 posts is actually a lot, imo.

[Brian Skies]

What is your read on Gypyx?

[Brian Skies]

They'd probably just ignore him tbh.

[Brian Skies]

Unwnd, as fun as this discussion over wallposting may be, I'm interested in your read on Gypyx.

[Brian Skies]

I didn't know it was directed at me Brian

It wasn't really directed at anyone in particular, but Pooky already responded.

[Brian Skies]

I'm null on him, but the dayvig thing he did gave me pause, especially with how early he retracted from it. What did you think about that instance?

I didn't understand the early townreads on him.

The dayvig was very meh. Didn't understand why he bothered to do it if he was just going to retract immediately.

I kinda want to launch him over.

[Brian Skies]

do you think titus slot is town brian

Yes, but not because of Titus.

[Brian Skies]

o

i think no, but not because of titus

Why do you think this?

[Brian Skies]

Is launching him over just a case of you not thinking shelly is scum? Or that you think he would spew more over there maybe?

I don't think anything he's done is particularly townish.

I also don't feel confidently that he's scum either.

Mostly just want to launch him because I don't feel confident that he's town (and he can fend for himself over there, I guess).

[Brian Skies]

And I'm not going to explain it in depth.

[Brian Skies]

didnt like a lot of what sirius was posting

not a mountain im willing to die on but stuff like #98/#107 is p meh and i didnt read a lot of the stuff about turnstiles as genuine

What didn't you find genuine?

I actually liked 98, especially the part about him wanting to throw unwnd into a pit since Sirius seemed like he felt he was onto something and unwnd was actively derailing it.

107 is just whatever to me. Not sure what you don't like about it though.

[Brian Skies]

I feel like this thread is having tea and crumpets and the other thread is in the mosh pit or something.

Omg.

I'm not caught up over there yet, but this had me rolling.

[Brian Skies]

Is it really just pisskop?

Maybe. But I want to launch people just to be sure.

[Brian Skies]

I'm also not a fan of the something smart hydra.

[Brian Skies]

Idk, I feel like if he was going to do it, he could have at least committed to it.

[Brian Skies]

I think Muffin is town.

[Brian Skies]

We can chuck both of them if we really wanted to. But we need their consent (if they don't we just yeet them out of the game).

[Brian Skies]

I'm also not a fan of the something smart hydra.

By this, I actually meant upside down sinkhole. And it was because they not only posted in the wrong thread to start (mod deleted their posts), but they were dumbtelling in the other game to start.

Idk why I said something smart. Lmao.

[Brian Skies]

Brian

, Spiffeh, Muffin, all leaning a lil bit town and hoping for town but there's more paranoia around them

because I'm aware of their beautiful wide scum ranges

, more waiting for them to attack some townies or call me scum before I push them.

What?

[Brian Skies]

I have no idea what's going on in that game.

Do we know what their position is regarding our proposal?

[Brian Skies]

I don't think my scum range is that big.

But maybe I just lack self-awareness when it comes to my scumgame.

[Brian Skies]

Well, if notty's town and dies, we still get to see him on Day 7.

[Brian Skies]

What if we eliminated A50 + pisskop, launch Spiffeh/Shelly/Gypyx?

[Brian Skies]

No, but we can get two launches.

[Brian Skies]

Brian do you want me turnstiled because I'm requesting it or because you're scum reading me?

Only one of these options is acceptable, choose wisely

Because you're requesting it and I think that side needs you.

[Brian Skies]

We get one turnstile per day, as long as the other thread turnstiles in between

Correct.

[Brian Skies]

But if we're losing Spiffeh then I want someone to fill the void he will leave behind.

I think this is reasonable.

[Brian Skies]

Idk if anyone over there is capable of filling Spiffeh's void though.

[Brian Skies]

No, Muffin.

I believe you're here to stay.

[Brian Skies]

Considering that we can launch two people, I want an appropriately sized offer in recompense.

[Brian Skies]

should we start trying to sell them on the good qualities of whoever we're sending them so we get a better deal and they think they're getting a bargain?

"i'd give pisskop's ISO a 10/10. i've read it like 50 times already and i never get bored of it. it sure would be a shame to give him up but if it benefits the game, then so be it"

see, now they're gonna think they should give us someone completely and utterly amazing in return so we don't think they're cheapskates

I love this mechanic so much.

[Brian Skies]

MuffinMan I am really happy you are playing this game

No you're not fuck off

?

[Brian Skies]

I don't know how people are reading Noraa's ISO and getting scum this game. Am I really that amazing at the game now...?

You do get NK'ed quite frequently.

[Brian Skies]

Imperium

Who would you like us to send over?

Somebody send this please.

[Brian Skies]

I'm okay with Peta.

[Brian Skies]

I fucking love how this thread is just shooting the shit and watching while the other game burns to the ground. It's therapeutic.

I think it's great. But only because we need to know what they're doing before we know what we're doing with our votes.

[Brian Skies]

People who know me though would want to give me a pass on D1 and then try to read me starting D2.

I know you and couldn't care less.

[Brian Skies]

Idk, I feel like if he was going to do it, he could have at least committed to it.

I got a reaction from noraa

, all that i wanted, what's the point to keep a reaction test going further? All it'll do is additional confusion

Oh, did you?

Don't mind me then.

[Brian Skies]

Nacho, does LLD ever develop reads this quickly as town?

[Brian Skies]

Because I'm lazy when it comes to moving my votes and we're not eliminating you anyway.

[Brian Skies]

Pretty sure uncrowned is in the other game.

[Brian Skies]

What if we eliminated A50 + pisskop, launch Spiffeh/Shelly/Gypyx?

[Brian Skies]

I believe Deacon suspects Hench Princesses so I may be interested in that as well. What are your thoughts on HP?

[Brian Skies]

Alphabetical order?

There's no space for pisskop in my townpool, so unless he obvtowns, he can gtfo my thread.

[Brian Skies]

That's funny considering Nacho said he expected me to tunnel a townie.

[Brian Skies]

What do you mean by hyperbolic?

[Brian Skies]

I wasn't being sarcastic. I liked the idea.

My yeet pool is not very large right now. I believe we can afford to let Spiffeh go if the other thread cooperates.

[Brian Skies]

I think Imperium is town. If they want to Purple Room, then I'd like for them to be able to do that. I'm also more interested in it considering it would be two players from our side instead of one.

[Brian Skies]

I've put minimal thought into it and am just treating it as a publicly confirmed hood.

[Brian Skies]

Just sort of reworking my way through your iso again

Firebringer, I'm town.

When firebringer said to prove it, obviously you couldn't. But what were you going for with this initial post?

When you say 'cult', is that synonymous with 'scum'? Or do you actually mean some other third-party alignment vibe?

You'd paid somewhat close attention early game and knew this was 20-6 setup right? Am I wrong for townreading bell for forgetting the number of scum but feeling like you asking about 3ps is a bit scummy?

-E

Wasn't really going for anything, just wanted to see how he'd handle it.

I don't understand what you mean for townreading bell by forgetting the number of scum. I do remember you thinking he could be town for maybe not knowing how many scum were in

this

thread. Unless you meant something else? Also, pretty sure he was being sarcastic so I don't know why you'd townread him for that specifically.

I did know this was a 20-6 setup. Wasn't the purpose of my question. I wanted to know where people where going with the 'cult' thing because to me, that implies 3p vibes and as far as I know this game doesn't have that.

[Brian Skies]

clearly the thing as a whole is meant to be a joke, but line 1 seems to be implying he can't remember the numbers of the scumteam *for the entire game* off the top of his head.

The period instead of a question mark implies it's a statement and the overall tone of the post seems like it's poking fun at you.

[Brian Skies]

If you were a Vegas casino, what would you say the current odds are that you two are T/T?

What did you actually expect to glean from asking this question?

[Brian Skies]

If it's an option i would kinda like to be turnstyled

From a thread health standpoint I don't hate this though I'd prefer to send someone I have a strong townread on given the forward thread's plans.

unwnd, Imperium, Spiffeh, Brian, Bell, anyone else who wants to share an opinion:

I prefer to send Annie to you guys. If that's not possible due to the polarities over here, how would you feel about this?

Who would be your choice for Day 1 immigrant?

Somebody please transmit!

I believe we wanted Annie. Or Peta if we're giving you Spiffeh.

I'm honestly fine with both.

[Brian Skies]

It's a shame because I feel like we should be getting a lot more than just Annie considering we're giving them Spiffeh and PISSKOP.

[Brian Skies]

You clearly haven't been reading my posts.

[Brian Skies]

Doesn't most of that side like A50 anyway?

[Brian Skies]

It's practically a hardclaim at this point.

[Brian Skies]

I townread peta and Deacon and they both suspect Hench Princesses.

Thoughts, Imperium?

[Brian Skies]

Oh, maybe Deacon doesn't actually suspect Hench.

Who did I see suspect Hench?

[Brian Skies]

I don't think there's a correlation between her turnstiling and thinking Bell is scum.

She's been asking for a turnstile throughout her entire iso.

[Brian Skies]

I also liked 385 from Shelly in a vacuum.

[Brian Skies]

Fair point.

[Brian Skies]

I think they want more FaceTime with your avatar

This way we can see what Muffin does when he comes face to face with himself.

[Brian Skies]

Pooky, you gonna let these electric rodents call you a wet blanket like that?

[Brian Skies]

I'm honestly just there to drink the wine.

[Brian Skies]

Green.

[Brian Skies]

No idea. I don't drink wine.

[Brian Skies]

I can't believe you'd lie to me like that!

It won't be the last time.

[Brian Skies]

Noraa, hammer the turnstile so we can move on with our lives.

[Brian Skies]

Notty, I'm pretty sure she crossed off the people she didn't think were town and realized what it was after.

[Brian Skies]

Oh, is it too late to request Flavor Leaf?

[Brian Skies]

I'm going to be honest. I'm not sure I want someone beamed over here tomorrow just yet.

[Brian Skies]

Green is just my favorite color.

[Brian Skies]

I honestly had no idea what HP was asking me and thought she was talking about candy canes.

[Brian Skies]

still think suberbowl9 is town, lld probably is too. at the very least they're never scum together

Idk. I didn't get this impression. LLD isn't afraid to hardbus her teammates.

[Brian Skies]

I mean, Tammy has clearly been advocating for Notty to come over for 'thread health's sake,' so skitter isn't exactly wrong there.

[Brian Skies]

dont think that's a true statement necessarily. p sure she has a similar philosophy to me in that regard; keep em alive if they can keep themselves alive but try to look better if they're gonna go down

I just don't like the idea of ruling LLD out of any pairing like that since she will definitely hardpush a teammate if she thinks she can get away with it.

[Brian Skies]

It wasnt the hardbus, it was the 'i'm a newbie' -> deathtunnel -> 'lol i have experience' -> 'oh whoops i'll back off' sequence that makes me think they arent partners

I kinda imagine that the whole misunderstand over sb9 being a newbie thing and subsequent interactions dont happen as partners

I'm pretty sure there was a lot more to that push than just that, and good part of it had to do with semantics.

[Brian Skies]

Princess,
only scum do scummy things.

Lies.

[Brian Skies]

I think Firebringer is town, but I always think Firebringer is town, and thus don't want him in my thread.

[Brian Skies]

Bell could be a decent person to send over. Cabd-FL-Bell has been a trio in a few games recently, so I think that could be a decent move.

Now you're just being selfish.

[Brian Skies]

We were actually thinking of sending you guys Spiffeh.

[Brian Skies]

Why is flavorleaf in this game.

He replaced uncrowned.

[Brian Skies]

Ok so the scum team is Flavor/Annie/___ from our side ?

How does this make sense to you when we're the side trying to townblock?

[Brian Skies]

Flavor Leaf is missing the rule where if one thread loses all their scum by Night 2 or before, then that entire thread becomes modconfirmed town.

So while yes scum can stack one side, that lone wolf side is at heavy risk of blowing it for their team.

[Brian Skies]

@Brian Skies - why do you not want town to be sent over? With little information like this, scum can completely abuse getting switched over.

I do want town sent over.

There are several of us in this thread that have asked for Notty because we think he's town. We've also asked for Peta but he doesn't want to come.

Also, we're offering Spiffeh in this trade and considering it's Spiffeh, we have very high demands.

[Brian Skies]

Also, Flavor Leaf, we can launch two players over to your side today, in case that affects your decision making here.

So we can still send you a potential scum.

[Brian Skies]

I work for 11 hour shifts, and its a 30 minute commute.

I know the pain.

[Brian Skies]

I wouldn't exactly call 2 mere games (and both ending in August 2017, which 3+ years ago) "knowing me"

I don't really see the point of arguing with you over whether I know you or 'know you'. I honestly don't care.

We have like, what? 2 days to yeet all the scum out of this thread? Why should I give you, or anyone else for that matter, a Day 1 pass?

[Brian Skies]

Oh, it's an immediate action?

That's cool.

[Brian Skies]

The extra public turnstile is supposed to be in my timestream. Idk if that's a mistake on Cakez' part or if scum tampered. Either way I'm going to sleep.

[Brian Skies]

UNVOTE: spiffeh
VOTE: turnstile spiffeh

[Brian Skies]

Hammering an elimination in either thread puts the deadline at 48hrs in the other.

So the turnstiles need to happen first.

Also, why is Cakez never online when I need him?

[Brian Skies]

Oh praise Cakez.

\o/

I can go to sleep now.

[Brian Skies]

Get in my pocket Firebringer!

[Brian Skies]

I don't have full context of the dark timeline, and I don't think I ever will.

However, Titus did a pretty good job outlining some of my concerns with the LLD + Superbowl interactions early on in 1395 (aside from the fact I don't think I've ever seen town her throw around early reads like that before). I'm also pretty sure she did the SAME EXACT thing to unwnd regarding treating unwnd as a newbie player in Xenoblade 2, except unwnd has a join date that would've given that impression.

So do we think LLD literally just made the same mistake two games in a row, this time being much more egregiously wrong than the first time? Or is it possible that she was just faking it because she knows we've seen her do it before as town?

I agree skitter is scum. I don’t have a great meta baseline with LLD but liked her productivity particularly after she played second fiddle in xeno.

I don’t get why Super Bowl and skitter would tag team together to elim me so hard. There’s much easier targets.

I wonder why scumreads would get stated more on potential people wanting to be sent to this side, this side were evicting scum from.

Hmmmm.

Super tinfoily theory from me, but if our thread is trying to townblock, I think it would make sense for scum to either shut down sending a strong townread to our side or try to send one of their own instead.

[Brian Skies]

I also haven't gotten to the part in the dark timeline where Notty got wagoned, so I have no strong opinions there yet.

[Brian Skies]

Now for Pooky, since HP, and maybe other people, don't understand how I got to my read there.

the setup confirms that scum have the option of being 3-3 or 4-2. On day 1 I don't think this makes a big difference, but I think this makes a *big difference* in the scenario where we get a scum flip in either game. So towns can do whatever in regard to turnstiles until there's a scum flip, but there should be a coordinated change once we hit scum in one of the games.

But *we should play* as though scum are dumb and did a 4-2 split. So if we hit scum in one thread, we should *turnstile the scummiest person* after that to the other thread, and then the other thread should stop turnstiling until it is confirmed there are still scum in the thread.

like we need to discuss how to use the turnstile and commit to this strategy early for it to work. The deadline for it doing anything is N2.

The reason why I'm mostly against mech talk is because I think mech talk is very easy for scum to be involved in. Mech talk is less tonal and takes way less effort than say, having a read on someone. You can sit here and talk about mech all day and make it sound somewhat appealing. I'm fine with it dependent on the read of the individual leading/suggesting it, but that remains a slight struggle

no this mech talk shit is over as soon as we all commit to The Plan. Then its time to try to win this on d2 and get our IC cards.

I just want every1 to be ok with using the turnstile like a launching catapult for people we dont like.

This isn't a dig at HP, I'm just using them for context. Yes, HP was part of the discussion of making the plan, but I'm not really townreading anyone 'because of the plan' in particular. The posts from HP here, however, give me the impression that HP hadn't really thought it out that well, or if they did, not in a way that make me think 'OMG this must definitely have come from town.' Specifically because while yes, they acknowledge we can potentially clear an entire thread, they don't really push it as an option until Day 2 AFTER we get a scumflip, and by then it would be too late, especially if there were either 4 scum in that timeline, or scum went 3-3. If we waited until Day 2, scum could just refuse to turnstile and block us from full-clearing a thread.

Pooky, on the other hand, recognized the urgency of committing to the plan and moving on once we established which thread we were moving forward with. So I gave Pooky (and only Pooky) townpoints for it.

I gave Sirius townpoints for wanting to throw unwnd into a bin.

And I think I gave HP townpoints because I may have been feeling slight townvibes for their general demeanor around the setup spec, which I went back and wanted to reexplore because I saw Peta scumreading them and for whatever reason thought Deacon was too.

If I were scum and knew that information wouldn't I want you to eject me or agree with this plan in the first place lol

oh yea cuz when we start slinging over bad guys to the other timeline they r going to greet them with like hawaiian shirts and pom poms right

im not sure how thats a real train of thought in your head.

I also liked this snark from Pooky towards unwnd.

Granted, it's a stale read, but I want to give Pooky the benefit of the doubt that he just can't devote his full attention to this game like we'd want him to. I'd be okay with punting him if we absolutely had to, but I'd like to believe I was right on him the first time, and there are others I would flip before him (Shelly, pisskop, maybe that smiley face avatar thing). I guess I can maybe see A50 being town here, but I'd still rather he just towned it up now.

[Brian Skies]

I like Titus. I also liked her predecessor.

[Brian Skies]

Fair I can see that. Do you agree with me that Pooky now reads like scum that thought they could power town and win the game for scum and then was unable to keep with the complexity of the game and ended up potatoing? Because that's basically my read on him right now

lolol what

I think it's just possible he can't keep up.

I can't keep up and it's my only game.

Granted, I'd also consider myself a slow reader, but that's because I actually try to read most (if I can't do every) posts.

[Brian Skies]

I like Titus. I also liked her predecessor.

I liked Titus's predecessor, too. Like I said, I dunno if this is an intentional mischaracterization or not, but I definitely disagree with her characterization of LLD's town game, particularly since I've come back from hiatus. I have 5 completed games since August and LLD-town was in 2 of them. I also watched decent amounts of the Death Curse game in real time.

If you're basing a big chunk of your LLD scumread on Titus's thoughts about LLD-town, I hope you'll give this some thought.

- street

I expressed suspicions on LLD before Titus did.

I'm not an expert on LLD. I'm just suspicious of her play this game.

Spoiler:

Nacho, does LLD ever develop reads this quickly as town?

still think suberbowl9 is town, lld probably is too. at the very least they're never scum together

Idk. I didn't get this impression. LLD isn't afraid to hardbus her teammates.

dont think that's a true statement necessarily. p sure she has a similar philosophy to me in that regard; keep em alive if they can keep themselves alive but try to look better if they're gonna go down

I just don't like the idea of ruling LLD out of any pairing like that since she will definitely hardpush a teammate if she thinks she can get away with it.

It wasnt the hardbus, it was the 'i'm a newbie' -> deathtunnel -> 'lol i have experience' -> 'oh whoops i'll back off' sequence that makes me think they arent partners

I kinda imagine that the whole misunderstand over sb9 being a newbie thing and subsequent interactions dont happen as partners

I'm pretty sure there was a lot more to that push than just that, and good part of it had to do with semantics.

LLD and Superbowl might have been theatre.

[Brian Skies]

@Fire, I'm thinking more staged from the get go rather than thinking superbowl is useless. Namely that the fight was meant to go nowhere but create distance between them.

i def dont think that interaction was staged. also do u do random push then retract fast to create distance with allies with scum? I don't think those work to create distance.

My push wasn't fabricated, but I did have ulterior motives, so you were kinda right . At this point though take a step back and look at this interaction: it's pretty clearly TvT.

On top of superbowl9 trying to set himself as the turnstile vote, yes I do think there is a possibility of this 1v1 being staged here.

>LLD pushes superbowl9
>superbowl9 pushes back
>superbowl9 disengages, throws a laughing emoji saying they're both town so he can just ignore her and potentially set himself up as a good turnstile

Not saying I have to be right about it, but that's how it reads to me.

@Fire, I'm thinking more staged from the get go rather than thinking superbowl is useless. Namely that the fight was meant to go nowhere but create distance between them.

Superbowl9
midwaybear
Dandelion Wine (Cephrir/Cabd)
GFITAC

Superbowl has registered fake multiple times, setting aside the fake fight with LLD. There's also comments where he goes out of his way to defend Skitter (1278), who is the most obvious scum slot in the game. He also has posts like (1363) which almost outright state that he thinks Annie's good posting but we should execute them because they are the top wagon rather than send them over here.

Now, Titus also has this to say about Superbowl. Not really sure about the Skitter stuff, but 1363 is pretty suspect.

[Brian Skies]

I don't see any merit in hunting for teams like that and I usually read players independently anyway.

[Brian Skies]

Also, like I said, I don't have anywhere near full context of that thread.

[Brian Skies]

It's never too late to launch you into the other thread, Spiffeh.

[Brian Skies]

I only find solace in knowing your position changed after Imperium revealed themselves as ICs (or at least I'm pretty sure that's how it happened).

[Brian Skies]

There isn't really anyone I'd want sent over here D2. Can they just wait until D3 or if we absolutely want someone sent over here?

[Brian Skies]

The goal is to shrink the pool as much as possible, not increase the room for error.

[Brian Skies]

The goal is to shrink the pool as much as possible, not increase the room for error.

[Brian Skies]

Purple Room is the only one that goes by Plurality.

Turnstiles have to be hammered, and the person that is getting turnstiled has to be on the wagon.

The instant one thread hammers an elimination, the deadline to eliminate reduces to 48 hours in the other thread.

[Brian Skies]

I'm not a townblocker.

I always got the impression Nacho was.

And ffery.

[Brian Skies]

No, we can turnstile tomorrow, even if they don't.

We just wouldn't be able to turnstile on Day 3.

[Brian Skies]

The extra turnstile we have today doesn't count against the numbers.

[Brian Skies]

I'm not normally a townblocker.

But I'm definitely an opportunist.

[Brian Skies]

I agree and I don't wanna see a townblock

They are again just circlejerks

You will be in this townblock and you will like it.

[Brian Skies]

What did I do to get these townreads?

[Brian Skies]

The goal is to shrink the pool as much as possible, not increase the room for error.

For me it was this post @brian

I don't understand why this of all things would make you lean town on me.

[Brian Skies]

Oh, no, I definitely share the distaste for hivemind mentality.

I just want my 7-9 conftowns.

[Brian Skies]

( ) This prevents them from doing what they want to on the other side

I feel like this should've been checked off.

But otherwise got some nice townvibes from that post.

[Brian Skies]

Oh no.

Flavor Leaf could be town.

The horror.

[Brian Skies]

Oh my god.

It lives.

[Brian Skies]

I prefer to take the opposite approach.

Everyone starts as a hard scumread, and they only go down from there.

[Brian Skies]

We've already chosen you.

We're just waiting for you to hammer your own wagon.

[Brian Skies]

Worst case scenario,

scum

Pisskop doesn't consent to the turnstile.

Then we just eliminate them.

[Brian Skies]

>Gamma claims some sort of protective role and asks Imperium to turnstile
>Pisskop shows up not too much later and claims 'utility'

...

[Brian Skies]

I'm hoping Pisskop's vote counted as a turnstile vote.

[Brian Skies]

Yeah this feels to easy. Think we're ignoring someone we shouldn't be?

I've actually been thinking that

if

Shelly is scum, then there are probably more than two scum here.

[Brian Skies]

I'm perfectly fine with eliminating Pisskop first and then turnstiling the next two players in the time it takes for the other thread to hammer their desired elimination.

[Brian Skies]

I have to go to sleep though. One more long shift and you guys get me for the weekend. \o/

[Brian Skies]

VOTE: pisskop

[Brian Skies]

I like how the other thread keeps saying we need to get our shit together like we don't already have our shit together.

Do we though?

[Brian Skies]

I thought we established Noraa was town.

[Brian Skies]

I was going to respond to something I saw Flavor Leaf say while at work, but he's already got a three page isolated and I don't think its worth it.

[Brian Skies]

The nachotammy hydra wrote a beautiful post towncasing her.

[Brian Skies]

@Spiffeh:
I feel like GX and Muffin should be higher, spiffeh. Do you really think muffin's range is that wide?

irt Brian, I don't get your spec reasoning. Scum could easily have mech reasons for wanting multiple people turnstiled early. We don't know enough about the setup to confirm Brian as town by role. But he's probably not a "double turnstile strongman" so like if he's just a goon at this point he's the lowest priority flip/turnstile. I think I need to re-evaluate him now that I know his reaction to sirius was probably reading weird to me because he was particularly focused on that mechanic, and knowing he has 2 probably is why he disengaged from the conflict there so easily. That being said, I'd like to know what's more townie about him beside all my reasons for seeing scum in him being gone now, he's more just a null/null-town to me.

I kinda feel like I should be higher in your list but you just said you'd iso me later so I'm not gonna push that atm.

Muffin's scum range is massive.

I agree that the mech stuff shouldn't clear me. What conflict did I disengage from?

Why do you think you should be higher? Iirc, you brought up you were also part of the 'town blocking plan discussion' as though that should've been a reason to townread you.

[Brian Skies]

So what are we waiting for in the other thread again? Because apparently they have all their shit together!

Disgusting savages.
This is the civilized world. We have something called "due process" while you are screaming at each other and chucking people out of airlocks.

And here I thought we were the ones chucking people out of airlocks.

[Brian Skies]

Muffin's scum range is massive.

I agree that the mech stuff shouldn't clear me. What conflict did I disengage from?

Why do you think you should be higher? Iirc, you brought up you were also part of the 'town blocking plan discussion' as though that should've been a reason to townread you.

can you give some examples of why you say that about muffin?

Oh I meant the plan to double turnstile scum. You backed away from that and seemed to be okay turnstiling spiffeh. That's the 'conflict' I was referring to.

I personally feel like I've been proactively solving through this entire game. Everyone who knows my main asserts I'm town and everyone who is mech town seems to be thinking I'm on the town side of things. I feel like I am not the hardest solve in this game if you actually can wrap your hair around why I am doing what I'm doing in regard to the gamestate.

Wasn't Muffin a former don corleone? Pretty sure his reputation speaks for itself.

I mostly agreed to turnstile Spiffeh because I felt we already had four chances to yeet scum out of our thread, and activating my ability gives us more breathing room.

My read on you vacillates. If you're so town, what's your read on Peta who's been asserting you're scum?

[Brian Skies]

@HP Why do you think GX should be higher?

-I think his self-conscious observation that he wanted to try a new playstyle is more likely to be town
-I think his emphasis that he didn't want to give reads was likely to be town particularly combined with
-his re-evaluation of sirius who he initially took as town and then decided to reevaluate which does not match how I think scum would position around a force replaced player and
-the fakevig vibes me as townie, this may be dumb, but *particularly* the fast retraction when it was obvious it wasn't going to work
-forgetting he jokevoted me doesn't feel like how scum probably postures around a scum push

obviously this is not a super deep iso to analyze and his phone broke but he's been hitting a lot of points that feel really townie to me

I actually got the opposite impression on a lot of these points.

I also haven't seen anything that makes me think 'omg this slot is definitely town' or even 'i think this is something that is unlikely to be scum.'

Its a very meh slot to me overall and I'd launch it.

[Brian Skies]

No, I promise you muffins scumrange is massive. He takes random approaches to games just for the lols.

[Brian Skies]

I wouldn't bet any town points on GX. I don't think he's town. I also don't think he's particularly scummy either, and I find this concerning and probably increases the odds of him being scum just by virtue of there tending to be that one UTR scum skating by.

[Brian Skies]

Pisskpp already posted in the other thread.

[Brian Skies]

I wouldn't bet any town points on GX. I don't think he's town. I also don't think he's particularly scummy either, and I find this concerning and probably increases the odds of him being scum just by virtue of there tending to be that one UTR scum skating by.

I kinda feel like GX is a Universal Null Read and I'm the wildcard for townreading him, who else has him as town in your view?

I remember Skittles, and I also remember stating I didn't understand how he could've been townread at the point she did so.

I also feel like if someone is consistently dead null, then that is a red flag.

[Brian Skies]

i dont know how to interpret what is obviously willful ignorance of current goings-on by almost50

I also don't really understand why he felt the need to quote my 101 to make that comment. Or why he needs to verify that to begin with.

[Brian Skies]

I don't get the logic behind your SR on Spiffeh here. IF Scum would be so blatant in asking to be turnstiled then the retraction should be a Town indicator.

Not if they're just saying it to blend in with the crowd.

[Brian Skies]

Also I'm not even trying to punt or lynch Spiffeh, so what is your goal with this post?

[Brian Skies]

Almost50's entrance looks forced to me, like he thought about a way he could look town while entering the thread instead of... entering the thread as town

idk it's hard to explain

I don't think I've ever played with him before so maybe meta-ing him to see if there's any similar behavior would be productive

Like he saw that something ~juicy~ happened with the replacement and was like "oh this is a safe way to look productive"

This is what I thought you meant and I agreed. Still kinda do.

[Brian Skies]

I probably should've asked this earlier, but what is WIM?

[Brian Skies]

without his ability theres no way we can even do this

I'm both flattered and disappointed.

[Brian Skies]

Anytime Hench feels even a bit of ounce in pressure her thoughts go from

You are scummy

to

Your cognitive bias diassociation theory of town is prominently attributed to the badfaith argument of a scum member who is onto-logically giving you the burden of proof is equating to you being scum

I miss you.

[Brian Skies]

oh someone already asked that

im reading i swear

Did someone already ask this before me?

[Brian Skies]

Am I frustrating you brian?

No.

Are you trying to?