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[Elements]

I'm gonna go to the shops
tell us what you want Datisi

[Datisi]

lol i actually want to vote ranny rn

i just ctrl+f'ed names in saudade's iso, and he's like, shaded literally *everyone* alive right now except for ranny

like his associates with ranny are literally quoting one post and saying "good post"
he's shit on me, he's shit on luca for tring me, he's shit on npom, he's shit on elements
idk i know i said he used to be bus happy but like idk lol look at this

ok one thing i want to like, explain now that i can. i gave this line of thought much more weight than i showed yesterday. at the time, i was backup modding brass & shrapnel, where sau was scum, and the game was in mylo. in that game, he had strong interactions one way or the other with basically everyone... except his scumbuddy, who he had meaninglessly quoted like once. the parallels to that and this game were unreal. i obviously couldn't say that at the time, though. sorry, ranny.

[Luca Blight]

Right now this is where I'm at:

NPOM makes most sense from the perspective of scum bussing hard and committing to that. I'd normally rule this out, but the way Saudade and Firebringer played means this is a possiblilty.

Elements makes most sense in terms of his lack of interest/interactions with the Firebringer slot, and in terms of creating distancing but trying to steer away from the elim before realising it's too far gone.

Rannygazoo makes the most sense in terms of deflecting away from Zuko D1. He looks more Townie than the others in terms of his Saudade stance I'd say. Probably in terms of his Firebringer stance as well.

Gun to head, I'd probably say Elements is most likely, followed by NPOM and then gazoo.

I'm willing to bet that Datisi is Town, and I'd like to hear his opinion on everything before I commit to voting.

This is Luca literally setting himself up to vote whichever way the town choose to lean.

That's one way to twist it.

By the same token Datisi was also setting himself up to vote any of them, as he was also very much torn between the three.

You're also ignoring the context - that was at the start of the day and my views (incorrectly) changed as the day developed.

[Luca Blight]

i cba to do the other two but if you go through Luca's iso from yesterday he's throwing shade at all three of NPOM, Ranny, and I.

It's called sorting.

If it was that scummy you would have called it out Yesterday instead of saving it up for ELO.

[Luca Blight]

Elements' view on NPOM really seems agenda-driven the more I look at it.

Spoiler:

VOTE: NPOM

VOTE: NPOM

Is this seriously who you think is scum or is this pressure?

I think it's NPOM

VOTE: Ranny
It's just Ranny then

npom confuses me

does anyone else think npom is spouting random garbage?

I still just think it's ranny

why do you think it's ranny, esp if dn doesn't have a clear on npom?

Day one NPOM is very town. NPOM after deciding to work with us this day phase is very town.
Luca is also quite town.

There are potential mech clears on NPOM and (as I've said a number of times) his day one was very towny. I've been trying to hold on to my town read on NPOM basically the entire game because I'm rlly good at succumbing to recency bias. Like, if someone does one, in my eyes, garbage post, that can often sway my read on them.

At the start of D5 Elements votes NPOM and states with some conviction that he is the last scum, before moving over to Ranny when it came out about the possible DeathNote track. Elements then throws some shade at NPOM as the day progresses and people became a little paranoid of him, then nearing the end of the day Elements laid down his cards and decided to hard-TR NPOM.

Yes, Elements townread NPOM earlier in the game, but this seems political rather than organic. Most likely Elements was trying to butter NPOM up a bit, before the twilight posts that got him killed.

I find this "case" on me absolutely hilarious. You are literally quoting my confusion at who scum could be and calling it an agenda.

Also Luca, you made the wrong kill. I was erring more on the lise of voting NPOM today if you'd killed Datisi

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Right back at ya buddy

I was very unsure of NPOM coming into this day, so was relieved to see him flip.

And it doesn't seem to me like it was real confusion. Easy for me to say knowing you're confscum, of course.

[Luca Blight]

Shade at NPOM

Spoiler:

VOTE: saudale

This, within the surrounding context, seems a probable bus. NPOM was hard-pushing Cook, and when the wagon didn't gain traction and the Saudade wagon was picking up pace again (DeathNote had just voted him) NPOM switches to Saudade and then pushes him with utmost conviction. I played with NPOM is a couple of previous games and I don't remember him ever being so sure in his reads as he has been in this game.

And the general 1v1 dynamic between Saudade and NPOM makes sense from someone who knows he's being bussed and just wants to create as much distance as possible.

This also follows a similar pattern:

Nah. It's hard to scum hunt when your answers can't be taken seriously. We can do this the official way though.

VOTE: firebringer

I want to know your role and what actions you took since you want to be coy about it.

VOTE: firebringer

Sounds like he is setting up to retract his cop claim.

VOTE: NPOM

I fake claimed cop our first game together.

Once again DeathNote votes scum, NPOM follows suit and quickly gets into a 1v1 with said scum. Both Saudade and Firebringer played like they were being bussed, given they're both experienced players. I believe the plan behind this was to sacrifice Firebringer for the sake of outing a PR and giving his partner enough towncred to coast home once the PR's had been killed.

I guess it's possible from the perspective that NPOM hard-bussed both partners, and both Saudade and Fire attempted as much distancing as possible before they were yeeted.

It's probably unlikely but I'm getting paranoid. I just came out of a game where an apparent 'conftown' ended up being the last scum and nearly won off the back of it.

See ya... I would expect several players here to do it but Salsa also is a newer player so it isn't a for sure thing.

No, NPOM isn't scum and I don't see how NPOM would ever push the people he pushes as scum.

If he is scum, then hot damn good work and maybe we will catch him in lylo lol

. I just don't see a reason to vote that slot right now

.

I get the feeling this is actually a crumb that he doesn't have a clear on him. The way he worded this post makes it sound as though he was hard TR'ing NPOM based on play alone and the players he pushed.

When you compare with the Datisi crumb, he gave no reasoning as to why he believed so strongly that Datisi was town, but with NPOM he gives clear reasoning.

Yeah, I suspected NPOM at the start of D5 and became paranoid at certain later stages. What's the issue there?

Whereas you just followed the crowd while throwing bits of shade when it suited you, before committing to a TR when NPOM's elim seemed out of the picture.

There was nothing natural or organic about your NPOM read progression on D5.

[Luca Blight]

I just realized something

Spoiler:

Town
{Noraa, Npom, Rannygazoo}
{Datisi, SoS}
{Luca}
{Salsabil, Zuko}
{Daisy, cook}
Scum

VOTE: Daisy

Town
{Noraa, Npom, Rannygazoo}
{Datisi, SoS}
{Luca, Shigaraki, Death}
{Salsabil, Zuko}
{Daisy, cook}
Scum

Updated to include all players, for some reason I thought this was an 11 player game.

Again, I just don't forget a scum buddy at the start of the game.

I thought at the time that it was weird to post read lists on the start of page 2, and this now explains the purpose of them.

If you were Town I doubt you would have even remembered this and brought it along with you to ELO.

[Luca Blight]

Elements' progression on Saudade the day he was ganked was also unnatural

[Elements]

Datisi, along your lines of scum!sausage not interacting with his buddies, he never interacted with the Zuko slot and his only interactions with Luca were these two posts. Neither of which are real interactions.

What do you think of Cook, Saudade?

is there a reason for this questions besides trying to appear like you're doing things or?

The fact that most of my scumleans are voting DeathNote makes me even more sure that DeathNote is Town.

Because somehow your scumleans are very accurate at this stage??

[Elements]

VOTE: luca blight

please be town.

if you're asking if i've played with scum!luca, i have once.

Hey Datisi Good to play with you again.

I don't remember you every playing with scum!me?

I think Luca's been softly buddying you from the start of the game too

[Elements]

Whenever he gives reads you're the first name and always in the town section. His questions and reactions towards you are

very[/v] friendly and not antagonising in the slightest

[Luca Blight]

Keep reaching, Elements.

And your point about interactions with Saudade also applies to yourself.

[Elements]

VOTE: elements

ok cool I'm the lim for today. let's just take that as red.
You are now in this hypothetical scenario where it is you, Luca, Ranny with one scum left. Who are you voting and why?

I don't do this as scum

[Luca Blight]

How are you getting on, Datisi?

[Elements]

How are you getting on, Datisi?

and the budding continues

[Luca Blight]

The desperate shading continues

[Datisi]

How are you getting on, Datisi?

you know when you're asked to play a game with someone and you think you'll go for an hour or two and before you know it it's 3am and you've been defusing bombs with georgebailey for 6 hours straight?

also being conftown late game gives me anxiety so i'm pretending this game doesn't exist. but yes okay i'm getting to this.

[Datisi]

some snippets of d2 that i'm trying to make sense of:

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Right now I'm looking at these three: Zuko, Daisy, Saudade

so luca finds these three suspicious (note that there is zero cook in this)

VOTE: Saudade

wagon builds up on sau, goes to e-1

VOTE: cook

npom is the first vote on cook for unknown reasons but ok

The more I think of it, I don't think the Shig NK makes sense if both Shig and Cook are Town.

Shig was clearly BS'ing and baiting the NK, whereas Cook doubled-down on his claim, and was the cc which are generally seen to be more reliable,

and

Cook was more TR than Shig.

VOTE: Cook

Even if there is a scum RB, I don't understand why they wouldn't kill Cook and block Shig in this instance, which would then probably lead to Shig's elim on D2.

and now all of a sudden luca is voting there????

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VOTE: datisi

so at the time my wagon was cook, who was voting me for not yet providing a full explanation of my reads (so like a lolvote that wasn't gonna stick) and saudade who was the main wagon, being scummy and voting me for god knows what.

elements how do you move from voting me to voting datisi with me so easily without saying a word

I currently have two reads I'm happy with:
NPOM town
Daisy scum

So I'm flowing my vote with what's happening to see if it'll help me figure anyone else out.
Your return to day 2 has me leaning on you town and your wagon expanded like a balloon.
So I'm listening to what your saying and moving my vote to Datisi. Not that that's explicitly what you said, I just felt that's the way the wind was blowing

this reads bad. but does it read bad enough to be tstbs...

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one thing to note is that throughout day 2, luca was *actively* trying to push cook, while elements voted me to see how the wind blows, and never mentioned it again. wonder if luca was counting on my vote there...?

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vc 2.5
Saudade (4) - Rannygazoo, DeathNote, NoPowerOverMe, Cook (e-2)
all town
Datisi (2) - Saudade, Elements
Cook (1) - Luca Blight
which one of you fucks

1248, luca seems decently aware by now that the cook vote isn't going anywhere
i'd imagine ele feels the same thing about their datisi vote

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...

If Cook isn't on the table for today then I want to elim in {Saudade, Daisy, Zuko}.

VOTE: Daisy

Saudade's play has been less than stellar, but I get the feeling as though Daisy has been pocketing Saudade this game, which makes me slightly prefer this right now. If Zuko stays in the game and continues to do nothing then I'm almost certainly pushing that elim.

oh no

wait, next vc shows i was already voting for daisy myself

oh no

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ele seemed jumpy to get onto sau wagon around pg55

fire/ele banter doesn't ping me in any direction honestly

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both luca and ele made posts calling for daisy's head if sau flipped red
lovely

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If Saudade is scum then he's almost certainly getting bussed by someone as he doesn't seem to give a shit.

he said, while not being on the wagon

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Saudade - DeathNote, NoPowerOverMe, Cook, Elements, Luca Blight, Rannygazoo

why do they
always
bus

[Datisi]

yeah looking back luca doesn't look too hot here. it seems like there's desire to wagon anything and everything that is not named saudade.

god, after doing everything that i could to protect him, am i about to throw in lylo and vote luca...

also i just skimmed through my notes, and during night one, i wrote down a ~lolsolve~ of shiga/luca/saudade. shiga was there bc i thought his cop claim was trying to draw out the real cop. i did not write down why the other two were there, but this has me wondering if i noticed something was wrong back then.

will carry on to d3 and relook at d1 to try to see wtf was i thinking when making that note a bit later, need to run now.

[Luca Blight]

If Saudade is scum then he's almost certainly getting bussed by someone as he doesn't seem to give a shit.

he said, while not being on the wagon

I was on the wagon before and after the quote, so I don't really get this point? You also seemed to agree with what I said at the time.

[Luca Blight]

so luca finds these three suspicious (note that there is zero cook in this)

VOTE: Saudade

wagon builds up on sau, goes to e-1

VOTE: cook

npom is the first vote on cook for unknown reasons but ok

The more I think of it, I don't think the Shig NK makes sense if both Shig and Cook are Town.

Shig was clearly BS'ing and baiting the NK, whereas Cook doubled-down on his claim, and was the cc which are generally seen to be more reliable,

and

Cook was more TR than Shig.

VOTE: Cook

Even if there is a scum RB, I don't understand why they wouldn't kill Cook and block Shig in this instance, which would then probably lead to Shig's elim on D2.

and now all of a sudden luca is voting there????

I clearly gave my reasoning though? It's not like it was out of nowhere and unexplained.

It literally made zero sense to me how Cook could be Town in that situation following the Shig flip, and I was fully intent on pushing Cook the following day as well as I didn't believe him to be scum. There's no doubt in my mind that scum knew he must be a cop (probably from the informed role) which explains the lack of a push against Cook that day despite my pressure. Scum didn't want to get their hands dirty and preferred to NK him.

[Luca Blight]

I get why the Daisy vote might give you a little pause for thought, but I stand by what I said there - I believed they were likely partners or Saudade was being pocketed, either way I thought Daisy was very likely to be scum there.

You've seen my scum game first hand in the mini normal and it is night and day to my Town game. This is my Town game. I'm being as open and transparent as I possibly can here.

[Luca Blight]

yeah looking back luca doesn't look too hot here. it seems like there's desire to wagon anything and everything that is not named saudade..

And this just isn't true. I scumread Saudade since D1 but wasn't tunneled on him. I thought Cook was really scummy (as did you), I thought Daisy was most likely scum (as did you), so hopefully you can understand my perspective. Yes, it's easy to nitpick these things in hindsight, but at the time I think you'd agree my stances were always reasonable.

[Elements]

you're right Luca, following the reads of someone you're buddying is a good tactic

[Luca Blight]

I mean look at this development here:

VOTE: saudade

Naked vote right off the bat D2

lets go team
we can elim sausage before he even gets to the thread

The wagon picks up pace and then Elements is calling for his elim before he even returns to the thread? When I saw this I actually thought Elements had a guilty or something, as otherwise this attitude doesn't make sense from an uninformed perspective.

elements how do you move from voting me to voting datisi with me so easily without saying a word

I currently have two reads I'm happy with:
NPOM town
Daisy scum

So I'm flowing my vote with what's happening to see if it'll help me figure anyone else out.
Your return to day 2 has me leaning on you town and your wagon expanded like a balloon.
So I'm listening to what your saying and moving my vote to Datisi. Not that that's explicitly what you said, I just felt that's the way the wind was blowing

Elements than townreads Saudade based on his reaction to the wagon, and the fact that Elements doesn't trust how the wagon blew up.

geez where did all this sausage hate come from

Elements re-enters the thread with a light defence of Saudade.

ooo, in that case I'd be in favour of a saudade elim over a Daisy one
VOTE: saudade

Suddenly Elements is very keen on a Saudade elim again?

At this point Elements probably knew Saudade and Daisy would be the next two elims, and knew they had to grab that towncred by bussing Saudade first.

It is such an obvious bus that I'm kicking myself for not having followed my gut on this Yesterday.