Datisi the fact that I'm not saying we need to jailleep you or lim you today means that I think going Alisae -> IV in either order is the most likely pairing to have one scum in it. The moonlogic goes like this: if I'm playing well this game, it's alisae. If I'm not, then flip my reads upside down. You are in the middle.
I keep thinking looking at the next-to-last newbie game where I was scum will be fruitful but I tried earlier and didn't know where to start
if someone feels like doing that rq that would be great
<Embrace The Void>
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In post 2249, Datisi wrote:now i'm wondering if it's dwlee bc they were pretty sure on it not being me in mbos despite the whole game being at my throat
i'm going to sleep before i post more nonsense
Also you were townier there in general and we mind melded multiple times
i don't get how anyone could think i was townie in mbos (fan he x where i kept shitpushing town after town, was barely reading half the time, and was gone for multiple days a few times) vs here (sniped the strongman, been hella active, reading all of the nonsense posted)
i know it's difficult to judge from my pov since i know myself best but like lmao
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
i just woke up and i'm blindly trusting my autofill, oops
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 2214, T3 wrote:Day 3 will end in (expired on 2021-09-19 21:31:01).
also - gamma, we need a non-ambiguous jk choice
i am okay with alisae > iv, (or the other way around ig idk) it's still not an f3 i would look forward to but i am hoping it doesn't come to it
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
the fact that dwlee seems to be fine with alisae getting jailed after iv's death (and knowing alisae's stances on me/dwlee) is giving me a tiny glimmer of hope the game just ends here and i am afraid of having hope
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 2256, Datisi wrote:i don't get how anyone could think i was townie in mbos (fan he x where i kept shitpushing town after town, was barely reading half the time, and was gone for multiple days a few times) vs here (sniped the strongman, been hella active, reading all of the nonsense posted)
i know it's difficult to judge from my pov since i know myself best but like lmao
pedit: strong disagree but ok (like legit, that was a towngame of mine that most strongly looked like my scumgame in the last like, a year and a half, idk how i didn't get yoted there)
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
not really caught up but seems like im going to die looks like deadline is basically here, pretty frustrating but that's fine and understandable also wish i had more time this weekend i probably would've efforted this one
also i guess i don't feel like I kill nor who im literally trying to push as an elim in the PoE why not just kill marci the jailkeeper? honestly just seems really dumb fmpov but idk wifom wifom whatever
i don't think i get posthumously listened to like ever in f3 but here are some of my stances that i still kind of believe in after i flip you can look at if you want, im too lazy to resummarize so i just picked quotes from my iso and put some comments
yeah horrendous hammer if scum it literally makes no sense there was plenty of time and literally Ali could've just told George to claim asap
the chance of winning is way too small. no scum in their right mind would go into night without knowing who the PRs are - also Ali would've shot STD which was clearly wrong so scum!Ali didn't just know who the PRs were. Ali is good scum and probably would've made george claim earlier or yelled at him to claim before hammering. pending dwlee accepting death in the Ali vs Dwlee 1v1 i think im probablyyyyy good with this
i think dwlee countered this by saying it's doable because it's ridiculous and like yeah maybe but i just don't really see it when it's basically seems like an insane uphill battle for scum against 2 unknown PRs - and they were unknown at the time because they were not killed. Out of all the actions this is still the one i believe is just severely out of scumrange and still the one i'd personally bet the game on but maybe im just bad.
I could clog up the thread by responding to each individual one when I’m on comp but that’s a) effort/time I don’t have today and b) probably noise/not helpful for sorting anyone I’m trying to not just fight back with my ego
The core of my problem with most of is that it’s just narrative narrative despite me responding to their points and explaining how they’re bad it’s like those conversations never even happened. The new accusations Like wishy washy and not scumreads are a) recycled from STD’s case and b) just how I play/shouldn’t even be scummy in a vacuum without meta. I voted nor because I thought he was weakly most likely from scum something that has mostly stayed consistent throughout the game. There’s no reason any of these actions are scum and dwlee feels satisfied just pointing them out and goign ???
My progression on dwlee slot as far as I can recall has been “ehhh Faker looks townie through his proactiveness/solvy efforting and interactions with Datisi”, didn’t really care about dwlee until I realized I barely noticed them in the game and was shifting some attention there, and now a decent suspect that I don’t really townread. I don’t think dwlee has done anything out of town or scumrange really so I’m just not sure. I don’t see why they keep saying this is a horrible progression or whatever.
I don’t feel like the going all in on George being scum is necessarily THAT anti partnery. Iirc the context was just datisi’s single push and they could’ve taken a risk and hoped the day would converge on me instead since I was the leading wagon, but I’ll have to reread. I think the self towncase section is the part I’m most okay with tbh so I’ll need to give that a proper look
final thought is why are they going so hard and feeling so good about bombing two scum cases here? Like hello there’s only one scum in the game? This if anything sets me off the most as kind of scummy because i feel like u should know one of those is wrong and that ur just fitting reasons at that point to the read. I mean I get that we only need to find one town but in that case scumcasing the two other people instead of detailed towncasifn Datisi feels like the wrong mindset for town, whereas it makes more sense for scum to being in that mindset to shade Two remaining ppl to keep them elimmable
mostly last two paragraphs, i still kind of believe the 2nd to last one and less so the last one i just remember it pinging me as really weird at the time but more on that
In post 1743, innocentvillager wrote:I think ur back off is normally scummy but actually thinking about it more do kind of consider it a positive because it demonstrates to me that when u “popped off” you didn’t really feel as tho you solved who was scum u Were just getting into it I guess? idk
think the backoff by Dwlee was probably townie, i don't think scum!dwlee is going for this big circlejerk performance to get townread or whatever their agenda is?
In post 1742, innocentvillager wrote:dwlee can you talk about how Ali being scum here makes sense in this context? why would Ali hammer partner without getting him to claim it just seems like so ridiculous if he is scum
i honestly think the bus gambit by you or Datisi is far more probable than what Ali did
Exactly because it's ridiculous is a reason to do it. I also think scum!ali here has in mind that he can no-kill to avoid any guilties and then ask for mass claim to get PRs to out themselves. Which is exactly what happened. If George claimed something then maybe Ali could have killed the jailkeeper one night sooner but no-kill into asking for mass claim outs the jailkeeper and can get a mislim.
I mean why can’t the same be said for datisi’s bus on George (which he did try to back out of last minute)
Or your “all in “ sheep on datisi
still think dwlee's action within scumrange
datisi's action like poking out of historical scumrange but who knows about real scumrange
alisae's action outside of scumrange
In post 1749, innocentvillager wrote:Ali’s action very clearly and definitively hurts scum wincon, whereas your and Datisi’s actually probably hurt scum wincon in general but not for sure and you can use it as a good anti associative if ppl switch to me instead later after you get the strongman off? idk I’m just saying if anything it feels more like a questionable gamble by you or Datisi but suicide for scum!Ali
In post 1761, Alisae wrote:To me Dwlee looks as if they are just looking for something to kill and are not scumhunting
specifically I am not a fan of the way they framed it as two scumcases on innocentvillsger and Alisae
but they did back out of scumreading me pretty abruptly so I’m wondering if it’s:
Town genuinely Who just wanted to pop off without an intent to have the game completely solved (?)
Scum backtracking after I called them out on it
Idk this is how I think about things trying to come up with a plausible scum narrative and town narrative
usually the answer I arrive at is they’re both plausible ish - re: an earlier point dwlee made about narrative arguments being fine if you can’t come up with a single plausible narrative for one alignment, I totally agree with that
still a little conflicted here i think scum backtracking is semi plausible but i don't really think scum!dwlee is particularly scared of me i just don't see the agenda to flip on me, like as a giant ruse to get townread by me maybe? idk it's so sudden and jarring it's almost like too advanced of a scumplay for ppl. no offense dwlee lol i think this kind of thing felt a bit out of scumrange to me.
In post 1846, innocentvillager wrote:Datisi it doesn’t seem likely to me that you would bus in the way u did and make a weak plea to get off George but it doesn’t seem likely how any of you bus George the way you did? I do feel like of the three pushes at this point dwlee’s “all in” sheep seems the weakest but one of you bussed Ultimately bc ur still here
I feel like he has been very on and off this game which is a stark contrast to how he played as scum in shit position in defcon
literally tried to lead the town throughout the game and acted townie and shit and fooled me for a while honestly
i do have to say the approach here feels a lot different, opinionated still but not really like powereolfing, which I feel like scum!Ali is more likely to do
granted he knows I know that (and std as well) but I don’t think scum!ali is likely to just massively 180 playstyle purely bc of me and std it seems p unnecessary
still think this, although this in and of itself is probably not out of scumrange
In post 1884, innocentvillager wrote:i like Datisi really trying to nail down dwlee on why exactly they are saying X is scummy it’s what I tried to do but more eloquent. It’s gonna be really sick if Datisi is scum here
im actually like, kind of paranoid Datisi is the final scum here but i don't really have anything to back that up
like he's doing all these things that are individually townie but none of them really poke out of scumrange except maybe the d1 GB bus so im scared datisi is just putting on another scum masterclass here which he is perfectly capable of doing. idk i just tend to get paranoid of the best scumplayers when nothing they have done is really out of scumrange and that's kind of what im low-effort defaulting to here i guess with few reasonable suspects left.
In post 1935, innocentvillager wrote:Ali ur latest posts are giving me the queasies like you are ranting about this game or something
can you explain why u sound so upset if you’re not scum this game?
ali sounding upset was a little like "wtf" gave me scum!flavor flashbacks to Open 802 when he started going on a rant about how he hated playing so much scum in a row and i was like, "dude why aren't you relieved playing this game" and he gave some bs answer that i accepted. idk still on balance this shouldn't matter in my read
Sheeping Datisi D1 onto George
still efforting rn/D3 play looks somewhat solvy and they are trying to reevaluate things
I’m still voting here spiritually I think but I don’t feel great about it
dwlee how good is your scum game and what would u be doing different here if u were scum?
dwlee's response was basically try to get townread and i guess that makes me a little less sure dwlee is town because that is like a potential agenda for what they are doing D3? idk lol dwlee doesn't really feel like scum on reread idrk how to explain it maybe it's just gut or maybe im pocketed by their turnaround on me.
In post 2050, innocentvillager wrote:it just feels like ali is townie and Datisi is doing all the right things I want/nothing scummy at all
I’m just at a loss here who is scum I’m honestly just impressed ur still fighting this hard
final guess is datisi > dwlee >>> alisae but dwlee and datisi are kinda close i think
way overstayed my time honestly idk what the point of typing this was. just feels bad to not leave a mark on the game ig do as u want with this. please win tomorrow
