Final Fantasy XIV - A Realm Reborn Mafia (Game Over)

[Sakura Hana]

Basically i've given up on being able to use my role correctly, just treat me like a VT until the roleblocker is dead.

[Sakura Hana]

But if you're curious I healed mastina last night.

[Sakura Hana]

Besides i've never been good at using doctor anyway, and the only time i used it correctly my heal target still died anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

You're still in the strongman PoE and you're townreading the other strongman contenders.

[Sakura Hana]

mastina
Mandelbrot
Mystic Bears
RealCheeks
Toogeloo
Bell

Removed dead ppl confirmed to not be strongman/scum.
Tell me RealCheeks who here is the strongman.
Mandelbrot already claimed and their ability is confirmed by me
Toog has been instrumental in eliminating both Cakez and EJ, although less on cakez, that one was mostly Romance, but he literally negated his fake claim.
mastina has also pushed EJ and been pushed by EJ the majority of the game, their actions dont like like SvS.
And Bell's just town.

[Sakura Hana]

you know it is smarter to kill the roleblocker than the strongman

Why?
At this point all killing the roleblocker will do is they dont roleblock me, then they just kill me, or alternatively try to outsmart my healing (which isnt hard anyway if last night is any indication).
I just want to flip scum in whatever flavor they are at this point.

[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: Join raid
Hope I get on this

Can give thoughts/read later

Will we

Finally

get some non-AA9 thoughts?

[Sakura Hana]

I'm down for either, Sakura.

between RC and QR i rather RC atm.

[Sakura Hana]

Btw if we do massclaim today and turns out there's a role that actually would be in risk of being roleblocked over me, i'd happily go back to hunting for the roleblocker.

[Sakura Hana]

Mandelbrot ability is not AI

Correct, although probably not the strongman with an ability like that so, we still got a strongman to hunt in that list.

[Sakura Hana]

By implying mandel is scum within that list, you're just saying that he's scum IN ADDITION to the scum strongman.
And this is also in addition to Elsa Jay being scum on the raid as well.

[Sakura Hana]

Anyway to reiterate.
We know there's still a scum strongman out there (Titus died with bulletproof).
We know there's still a scum roleblocker out there (Romance was roleblocked N2).
We know Mandelbrot is neither of those roles because I confirm their ability, even if they're scum (which i dont think they are), they cannot be either of those 2, so they're lowest priority

[Sakura Hana]

Btw, the only reason I suspect the strongman being in the first raid is because it would mean Mirio was strongman'd (Which makes sense if they got an extra shot they might as well use it N1). The only chance is... if considering i never hinted or claimed my role D1, scum decided to randomly roleblock me and got lucky.
Which is why I say it's a 90% chance.

[Sakura Hana]

Anyway to reiterate.
We know there's still a scum strongman out there (Titus died with bulletproof).
We know there's still a scum roleblocker out there (Romance was roleblocked N2).
We know Mandelbrot is neither of those roles because I confirm their ability, even if they're scum (which i dont think they are), they cannot be either of those 2, so they're lowest priority

Read Romance's flip yo

I did, Romance had +1 Shot

[Sakura Hana]

well theoretically +2 due to yday's raid.

[Sakura Hana]

Speaking of Romance's flip we got another 1-Shot and not 2, 3 or whatever number-shot. It's clear that all X-Shot are 1-Shot and they are intended to get into Garuda raid for additional shots.

[Sakura Hana]

Didn't Titus die after the *strong* modifier though?
~C

That raid failed.
And the strong modifier is only for that specific night.

[Sakura Hana]

I know, because I thought the same thing and asked the mod, only to realize that I forgot that the raid failed anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

How does a factional kill get a modifier? Is that even a thing?

The player gets the modifier added to their actions, factional kill is an action.
It works the same way as a base Mafia Strongman, just that in that case the player has the modifier attached to their role, but it still modifies their actions.

[Sakura Hana]

{Dwlee99, mastina, Sakura Hana, TC}
{Toogeloo, Mystic Bears, Bell, tictac, Mandelbrot}
{Qrow and Raven, STD, WhemeStar}

Easymode.
~C

So who's the strongman?

[Sakura Hana]

Actually another thought - why would scum kill Romance instead of RBing them and killing Sakura? Romance being here would easily have had us elimmed faster than killing them imo.
~C

Maybe because you're scum?
Maybe because they think i'd be easier to push than Romance as long as i cant heal?
Maybe because for the LOLz?

All possible answers, maybe more, NKA sux.

[Sakura Hana]

I dont, but RCheeks doesnt have anyone in the potential strongman PoE in their scumreads, which is weird.

[Sakura Hana]

I dont, but RCheeks doesnt have anyone in the potential strongman PoE in their scumreads, which is weird.

I actually don't think your strongman theory is right so I'm working on a basis that makes sense to me and after you flip me and MB you'll be like omg cheeky is so wise and amazing and I should have listened.
~C

Why isnt it right?

[Sakura Hana]

Of course, unless you're suggesting that scum has a 2 (or more shot) strongman on top of 1/3 of the raids giving +1 shots and another 1/3 of the raids giving strongman without having to use their shots is nice game balance.

[Sakura Hana]

I dont, but RCheeks doesnt have anyone in the potential strongman PoE in their scumreads, which is weird.

Honestly, I'm still on RC out of respect for Romance & you.

As annoying as they are, their posts are feeling town to me, today.

I just know how much I can waffle.

- House

If it was me i think MB has higher chance of being scum, but Romance has had better reads than me so I'm listening to her this time

[Sakura Hana]

Of course, unless you're suggesting that scum has a 2 (or more shot) strongman on top of 1/3 of the raids giving +1 shots and another 1/3 of the raids giving strongman without having to use their shots is nice game balance.

I think you got RB'D D1 and that's why scum let you live instead of Romance since the pool all seem town to me now.
~C

And why would scum RB me N1?

[Sakura Hana]

I don't know, they had to RB someone.
~C

Over the other ppl on the day 1 raid?
After I said that the day 1 raid wasnt useful to me?

[Sakura Hana]

My theory is that RealCheeks got caught faking a townread on their other PoE and now cant backtrack it because they didnt know they'd be PoE'd.

[Sakura Hana]

Or they could just be town who refuse to see the Light, idk.
It's still kinda impossible for the strongman to not be in that list.

[Sakura Hana]

So the other possibility exists that the strongman exists outside the PoE.
~C

No because Mirio died while I was healing him.
So strongman has shot twice within the time they could only have gained a single +1 from the first raid.
If you think strongman has more than 1 shot then:

Of course, unless you're suggesting that scum has a 2 (or more shot) strongman on top of 1/3 of the raids giving +1 shots and another 1/3 of the raids giving strongman without having to use their shots is nice game balance.

If you think I got roleblocked then:

Over the other ppl on the day 1 raid?
After I said that the day 1 raid wasnt useful to me?

[Sakura Hana]

Or they could just be town who refuse to see the Light, idk.
It's still kinda impossible for the strongman to not be in that list.

If you had stayed on Romance, we’d know for sure because you didn’t, we have no way of knowing if strongman was used last night or not.

~R

No because there's still a roleblocker, so romance dying while i was healing her could mean either of those 2 scenarios, since scum DOES know now that im a doctor, they didnt N1.

[Sakura Hana]

It wont be the last night using your ability if you leave only town (including mastina) in the raid.
Since a success means i cant be roleblocked tonight and strongman cant bypass my heal.

[Sakura Hana]

Alternatively leave the roleblocker PoE out of the raid, i guess.

[Sakura Hana]

At this point i dont care much about the roleblocker and im resigned to the fact that maybe i should just play like a VT until we hit the roleblocker.

Well if you want to hit the roleblocker you shouldn't be voting RealCheeks as they cannot be the roleblocker.

Strongman? Sure, but as you said, roleblocker's bigger threat.

If you’ve been paying attention the raids are repeating themselves in the exact same order, right? D1: X shot. D2: strongwilled D3: bp, D4: X shot. D5: strongwilled, so D6 will most likely be bp again, which means we absolutely should kill strongman because strongman is a bigger threat tomorrow. We don’t want a replay of what happened with Titus.

~R

Strongman isnt a threat if they are out of shots, which they certainly are because i doubt GIF decided to give one person randomly 2 shot instead of 1 shot.
The roleblocker doesnt necessarily need to be a priority today if we can keep all the sus people outside of the raid.
Gonna ISO mastina to confirm or she could answer it herself, but iirc she said she can auto succeed an incomplete raid? Which makes this process easier.

[Sakura Hana]

You could be right, it could just be MB but they're basically signing their death warrant being uncooperative with town. Which I don't think scum do? Unless they need to survive to a certain point for some reason?

Didn't Elsa do this too tho

[Sakura Hana]

The last reason, if scum have a combination of 1-shot and unlimited roles like RB the from a balance perspective town is bound to have those roles too, so it could be seen that you were a PR that didn't require refills because VTs dont say anything do they?

Yes, but they have no way of knowing if im a town role with unlimited shots or a VT. Over... the people in the raid who presumably wanted the reward.

[Sakura Hana]

Havent they defended every elimination tho

[Sakura Hana]

Yes I guess Elsa did but they're in a league of their own.
~C

Well since you're so sure MB is town then i guess you're the strongman, sorry not sorry.

[Sakura Hana]

Also if i were scum, Sakura would've died last night. I dont think Sakura is deep wolf but if she is, we're screwed anyways so it doesn't matter i guess.
The only case I could ever be scum here would literally be if like Roleblocker was 1 shot and out of shots but otherwise I dont think i ever shoot Romance over Sakura.

I could believe this, considering Romance wanted RealCheeks dead.
And is adamant about you being town and trying to disprove my PoE theory that's cornering scum.

[Sakura Hana]

Gamma, it's easy, scum RB me and kill Romance, there's no way for me to do anything about that (and it's the correct choice since Romance has better reads than me)

[Sakura Hana]

However, we also had a similar basically-50/50 for the scum roleblocker which is why voting WhemeStar is better here.

This is where i was gonna go originally today, but.
1) Romance's dying wish in the neighborhood was to eliminate RealCheeks, and I trust her reads better than mine.
2) Due to the reward today, there's no real reason to eliminate the roleblocker today as long as they are kept away from the raid.

But i'll eliminate wheme if that's what the majority wants, for me they are both scum anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

As I've been saying all scum has to do is roleblock me and shoot wherever they want to shoot and they dont need the strongman for that.

[Sakura Hana]

As I've been saying all scum has to do is roleblock me and shoot wherever they want to shoot and they dont need the strongman for that.

Then vote Wheme, no?

- House

Planning to, but I dont want an accidental hammer before the raid is ready just in case, i rather better be safe than sorry, if Wheme is the roleblocker this isnt important, but if he isnt then... i guess we gotta give a stern look at STD.

[Sakura Hana]

Like we literally have proof of a strongman kill N2

N2 was a janitor kill.

[Sakura Hana]

As I've been saying all scum has to do is roleblock me and shoot wherever they want to shoot and they dont need the strongman for that.

Not if we kill the scum strongman today. Then they're forced to kill you since they can't kill your doc save, and they can't wait until tomorrow because you get BP tomorrow.

strongman cant bypass strong heal, but strong roleblock can block strong heal.
I said this back in D2.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh wait, i misread, but regardless they cant kill my save tonight UNLESS the roleblocker is in the raid when it succeeds.

[Sakura Hana]

for reference i already asked that by PM on D2 and the mod told me that you cant stack strongman on strongman.
and strongwilled just adds (cant be redirected)

[Sakura Hana]

mastina how sure are you that STD is town?

[Sakura Hana]

mastina how sure are you that STD is town?

I mean.

Not very.

I believe this to be STD's towngame but I'm not sure;
I believe STD's softclaim to be town-indicative but I'm not sure.

But if the choice is STD vs. WhemeStar, WhemeStar is more scum to me.

So you agree that there's a chance that Wheme isnt the roleblocker?

[Sakura Hana]

Well I just learned something new from talking to GIF.
The bulletproof for 1 night is a single kill protection, not a full one.

[Sakura Hana]

Well I just learned something new from talking to GIF.
The bulletproof for 1 night is a single kill protection, not a full one.

That's how I'm used to protectives in general working, personally.

- House

I mean, this is interesting because I've seen GIF do scum that can double kill their target before.
Which is effectively a strongman, but then the Ifrit reward becomes scarier.

Fortunately the strongman is still out of shots anyway.

[Sakura Hana]

@mod: Vote count pls

[Sakura Hana]

STD is saying he's scum but not the roleblocker... clearly
/joke

[Sakura Hana]

Would be funny if Romance died because Wheme is scum roleblocker and knew he was dying today.

[Sakura Hana]

Ok i was right not to vote yet.

[Sakura Hana]

Has STD or Wheme claimed? StD softed PR when they were refusing yo get off the raid.
~C

I’m thinking Mastina maybe right. Wheme has just been coasting and at least Cheeky and STD are doing things.

Wheme claim or I’m voting you.

~R

Well... dont disagree with the threat, but can you hold off on voting wheme until the raid is set.

[Sakura Hana]

I... didnt think of that
Cant we eliminate the potential roleblocker tho?
Well I guess if Wheme's out of the raid is fine.

[Sakura Hana]

VOTE: Wheme

I think it’s pretty damned obvious, Wheme is scum here.

~R

Waaaait

[Sakura Hana]

Actually... nvm, i dont need to test mastina's ability, she's just town because i had her as disaligned with EJ.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh wait right im not voting for Wheme

Intent to Hammer

[Sakura Hana]

Titus didn't claim day 1. Mirio didn't either so what does mirio being VT have to do with blind target selection from a nk angle?

Arguably because Mandelbrot knew Titus was a PR due to the neighborhood.

[Sakura Hana]

Arguably? I guess Presumably would be a better word.
English is hard.

[Sakura Hana]

Actually... nvm, i dont need to test mastina's ability, she's just town because i had her as disaligned with EJ.

????

I’m talking about Wheme, not Mastina.

~R

It's less about who you're voting and more about testing mastina's ability to auto succeed a raid.

[Sakura Hana]

Actually... nvm, i dont need to test mastina's ability, she's just town because i had her as disaligned with EJ.

????

I’m talking about Wheme, not Mastina.

~R

It's less about who you're voting and more about testing mastina's ability to auto succeed a raid.

But I’m not the one who made that post, it was tictac.

~R

Yes, but you voted for Wheme. Putting them closer to hammer before we organize the raid for it.
However as I said before, I dont think there's any need to test mastina's ability right now, mastina's clearly not scum.

[Sakura Hana]

If people want to test mastina's ability, leaving the raid AND unvoting would be better.
If you dont plan on leaving the raid to test mastina's ability then it's pointless.

[Sakura Hana]

regardless dont do so now, if scum quickly jumps into the raid while hammering would be very bad.

[Sakura Hana]

I dont think there's any need to test mastina's ability right now, mastina's clearly not scum.

elsa and mastina both gonna bus well if they gonna do it at all.
not saying I didn't give her a good amount of points for that push but since then shes spent 2 days chasin mislims with a poe made of poo.
u have wayy more faith on elsa-spew being informative than i do, and it's possible that's why u alive instead of romance.

Romance also hard townread mastina tho.
And why is the PoE made of poo?

[Sakura Hana]

Bears is also part of the PoE, which you are voting, so I guess it's not entirely made of poo.
And Romance wanted RealCheeks dead, are you saying that's why she died?

[Sakura Hana]

It's far more likely that Romance died because there was a very real chance we eliminate the roleblocker today and then scum cant stop Romance from getting another result.

[Sakura Hana]

And why is the PoE made of poo?

shes not even willing to give a proper townread on std and u know how i feel about QR. she totally failed to even try to change my mind on QR.
a townblock is supposed to have townreads in it.

Hmm I see


The main reason I didnt want to try it atm unless we have plenty of open space is because I didnt want to give scum the chance to do a last minute join + hammer.

[Sakura Hana]

HOLY FUCK I WAKE UP TO ANOTHER 11 PAGES AHHH

Claim

[Sakura Hana]

Y'all do realize that my guaranteed raid success is an active ability, right? Not a passive.
Meaning, that I have to activate it?

Yes, i am aware of that, or that's what I assumed anyway, which is why I wanted to hear from you before doing anything.

[Sakura Hana]

Yeah, i had a feeling that the ppl that went after Mirio D1 were scum.
Also FFS GIF, way to have an unlimited shot doctor and an unlimited shot strongman at the same time.

[Sakura Hana]

Oh and my notes PT is fine to release.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm still unsure on STD's role wording stuff, that stuff was weird. I mean the Encryptor thing.

[Sakura Hana]

I disagree on claiming right away, he thought his role, being known, would be a major target for the scum night kill.

[Sakura Hana]

Yeah but he had no way of knowing that.
He probably didnt realize his role enabled day chat for scum either until the day he claimed.
And he probably thought his role enabled day chat for some town roles.

[Sakura Hana]

beloved princess doesn't activate on NK tho.

According to mafiawiki that's the default, also STD's role PM also indicated it activated upon being killed regardless of how it happened.

[Sakura Hana]

beloved princess doesn't activate on NK tho.

According to mafiawiki that's the default, also STD's role PM also indicated it activated upon being killed regardless of how it happened.

Actually nvm his role PM said "eliminated" although GIF did call "eliminated" to ppl that died during the night too so, who knows.

[Sakura Hana]

I do think tho, that maybe STD claiming negative utility early would've been better. I think most scum wont bother killing NU power.

[Sakura Hana]

Also the informed towns had the “will know if this flavor dies” because of the existence of janitor. I didn’t want scum to janitor the informed role and “confirm” themselves as town.

I mean I saw what happened in Magical Girls UPick I wasn’t gonna let that happen again

Well what happened in Magical Girls wasnt a design issue and more of someone fake claiming masons with scum and getting janitored.
Considering the Janitor stole the role tho, that was a good idea.

[Sakura Hana]

Snooping around in PTs section a few of them have been made public already, i assume GIF's working on it.

[Sakura Hana]

I mean the Dead PT is also public.

[Sakura Hana]

Not really my best game, bit it's nice to be seen as a threat when you are just a VT.

Dude I legit was thinking of making a Best Performing Town nomination of {You, Sakura Hana, Romance} as the three slots who most contributed to the town win. (Other slots did their own amount of work, obviously, but those three are the names aside from myself that I'd say stood out and since you can't self-nominate anyway, MY nomination would legit me you + Sakura + Romance.)

That actually feels nice.

[Sakura Hana]

Nah the best autocorrect is Wedge -> Ridge

[Sakura Hana]

I'm happy that scum was legit scared of my reads.

[Sakura Hana]

I'm happy that scum was legit scared of my reads.

We were at lot more scared of your heal. We probably should have killed Mastina instead and just failed the raid.

Well i read the scum PT and a bunch of times you guys seemed to be worried about my reads and my "unpredictability".
Really surprised i didnt die earlier.