Micro 1039: The Coalition [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 1.08

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-01-17 00:15:00).

coalition

mc esther [5]:

Galron, mc esther, Umalut, Looker, Enchant

Umlaut [5]:

Galron, mc esther, Umlaut, Looker, Enchant
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ProHawk [5]:

Looker, Andante, Umlaut, MBot, Prohawk
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Looker [5]:

Enchant, Umlaut, Looker, T3, mc esther
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MBot [5]:

MBot, ProHawk, Looker, Umlaut, mc esther
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Enchant [5]:

Galron, mc esther, Umalut, Looker, T3
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T3 [5]:

mc esther, Looker, Enchant, Umlaut, ProHawk
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Andante [5]:

Enchant, ProHawk, Umlaut, Galron, Looker
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Galron [3]:

mc esther, Enchant, Galron

yeet

Enchant [2]:

MBot, ProHawk

Andante [1]:

Looker

MBot [1]:

T3

not voting [5]:

mc esther, Andante, Galron, Enchant, Umlaut

mod notes

~ this is the setup where i cannot use my vote counter and must count votes by hand, so let me know if i make any mistakes

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[Umlaut]

It's the kind of hypocrisy that I think more likely comes from town, tbh.

[ProHawk]

Too scum to be scum, mk got it.

[ProHawk]

"Hissy fit" is kind of vague. Was the point Enchant was asserting "I'm not giving you town credit for saying you're willing to not be coalitioned"? And was your counterpoint anything along the lines of "Me not willing to be coalitioned is alignment-indicative/not alignment-indicative"? Sorry, I'm not the best with communication.

You'll have to ask Enchant for why they reacted the way that they did. My point was that it's not against my win condition to not be in a coalition .

[Umlaut]

Too scum to be scum, mk got it.

Way to twist my words. Did I say hypocrisy is scummy? Do you think being hypocritical is a scum trait in general?

[ProHawk]

Being non genuine, hell yes

[Looker]

"Hissy fit" is kind of vague. Was the point Enchant was asserting "I'm not giving you town credit for saying you're willing to not be coalitioned"? And was your counterpoint anything along the lines of "Me not willing to be coalitioned is alignment-indicative/not alignment-indicative"? Sorry, I'm not the best with communication.

You'll have to ask Enchant for why they reacted the way that they did. My point was that it's not against my win condition to not be in a coalition .

So you were defending yourself? Ok, cool, is this also an accusation of Enchant being scum? I'm just trying to figure out how big of a deal this was supposed to be and what the intent was, because we're still trying to agree on a coalition.

[Enchant]

lold mafia revealed self and surprised why i support coalitions without them.

Just lold.

Claim i didn't discuss this in previous game is false, i wasted literally half of game debating. I am not willing to explain it again.

You can win without self in Coalition (i didn't even say it's impossible). But claiming that and literally braging rights on it and accusing people for trying force self is like ... Well, i writed some joke but i noticed it insults disabled. So i redacted it. Main thing is "Yes, but it's harder"

Why make live harder, just chill and deal and with fact you not winning.
And why you so angry and what is this argument, if you genuine saying i am mafia (and agree on any coalition without me), then you supposed to search for my partner in this suggestion. I don't see you doing that.

[ProHawk]

I don't look for associatives until you're confirmed scum kthx bye

[Enchant]

I don't look for associatives until you're confirmed scum kthx bye

Your pic guy girlfriend turned in moon.

[Andante]

Why hasn't Galron formed a coalition yet?

[mc esther]

243 (Esther) - interested in hearing why ProHawk isn't a plausible Andante buddy but it's not a priority today.

yeah i dont believe what i said in #243 any more, ive very much flipped t3 and andante around since. my thinking at the time was that it doesnt make sense for scum!andante to avoid healing for so long if her buddy isnt widely townread (which, prohawk wasnt throughout that no-healing period). when i type it out like that i kinda start believing it again lmao, idk, i'll think on it further if it starts to matter.

i dont love the idea of t3 over galron, but i see why people want it after the question about galron only healing three. ideally we'd wait for him to explain (i think almost every question about weird heals so far has ended in "okay yeah i get where youre coming from"), but that's perhaps not a great use of our time right now. sure, i'll flip if that's the way we're trending.

[mc esther]

I think assuming scum are so doctrinaire in their planning as to even have a significant preference for one vs. two in coalition is probably a mistake

hehe, good catch! i think i tend to play pretty doctrinally, and kinda tend to [yeah, wrongly] expect that by default from others.

this doesnt really change my prohawk/mbot case though, the point there is not that it matches prohawk's views on scum coalition building, the point is that it's an entirely unexplained 180 from mbot which is best explained by those views.

[T3]

HURT: enchant
HEAL: t4
i don't see the trs on galron but i'm not too opposed to coalitioning him.

[Andante]

what happens if I put more than 5 in my coalition?

[Looker]

MBot will post

[mc esther]

i imagine the mod wouldnt count the heal tag that took you beyond five

[mc esther]

although i guess if you can heal less than five with the understanding that it cant make a coalition, you "should be able to" heal more than five under that same understanding. this might not be an awful way to play the set-up in future -- immediately heal everyone and strike people over the course of the day until you hit five. im struggling to see any relevance to this particular game though.

[MBot]

With the healing more than five we can always experiment?

HEAL: T3

Transparency since it's been an issue in the past from connected banter, Prohawk and I know eachother well. I'm always going to hard SR him more than anyone else because I can never get it right with reads. Not AI at all just poking to get some kind if different play. I'll be the first to admit that my reads suck and I'm normally wrong which is what makes me squinty eyed at Mc Esther. Umlaut also falls into that category because it's so obvious town that I doubt it. Umlaut is at the top of my TR list. Don't break my spirit here, Umlaut.

Adante is dropping in my reads each post. Me explaining that I'm the newest mafia player here, after my obvious hesitancy is brought up by multiple players? That's an issue to you which is a factor in reading my posts? Just trying to help town understand the inexperience not being AI. I thought it was relevant for others when it comes to reads. Would be scum of the year to use that as a ploy and would only work once.

[Datisi]

~ if your coalition is full, nobody can be added until someone is removed with the hurt tags.

[Looker]

Galron's extended his V/LA til two days before deadline and he still doesn't have a coalition. If mc esther and Umlaut swap him for T3, we'll have three people with the same coalition. What are the objections?

If we get T3 and Enchant onboard, we can have the 5 in the coalition voting for the coalition and ensure we have one with enough time to scumhunt before deadline. Are there any objections to this?

[mc esther]

HURT: galron
HEAL: t3
VOTE: t3

i dont love it but youre right

[mc esther]

i think umlaut and t3 will (tbh i think t3's scumclaiming if he wont) so, enchant, you on?

[mc esther]

i missed that t3's already self-healing. him refusing to self-heal over prohawk would be a lot more incriminating than him refusing to heal enchant over prohawk; nevermind, bad call in that post.

[Umlaut]

HURT: Galton
HEAL: T3

Looker's right. On balance I think I still like Galron better for town but I'm pretty comfortable with this.