Micro 1039: The Coalition [game over!]

[Datisi]

vote count 1.07

with 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-01-17 00:15:00).

coalition

mc esther [5]:

Galron, mc esther, Umalut, Looker, T3

Umlaut [5]:

Galron, mc esther, Umlaut, Looker, T3
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ProHawk [5]:

Looker, Andante, Umlaut, MBot, Prohawk
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Looker [5]:

Galron, Enchant, ProHawk, Umlaut, Looker
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MBot [5]:

MBot, ProHawk, Looker, Umlaut, mc esther
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Enchant [5]:

Enchant, T3, Looker, Galron, mc esther
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T3 [5]:

mc esther, Looker, Enchant, Umlaut, ProHawk
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Galron [3]:

mc esther, Enchant, Galron
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Andante [3]:

Enchant, ProHawk, Umlaut

yeet

Enchant [2]:

MBot, ProHawk

Andante [1]:

Looker

MBot [1]:

T3

not voting [5]:

mc esther, Andante, Galron, Enchant, Umlaut

mod notes

~ this is the setup where i cannot use my vote counter and must count votes by hand, so let me know if i make any mistakes

flavour

[Enchant]

Okay, i kinda like this.

HURT: Everyone
HEAL: Galron, mc esther, Umlaut, Looker, T3

[mc esther]

HURT: t3
HEAL: enchant

gonna see if i can make this version happen, i'll go back to t3 if there's no support

[Looker]

HURT: Galron, ProHawk
HEAL: T3, mc esther

[Umlaut]

I actually prefer Enchant to T3 right now too.
HURT: T3
HEAL: Enchant

[Looker]

Why doesn't Galron have a coalition

[Andante]

hahaha yes this exists, ok dedicating the next 30 minutes of my life to this

[Andante]

HEAL: Galron
this is town

[Andante]

I don't think T3 town, so I'm confused why he's in 3 coalitions as of post #275 so I'd love to hear more as to why we trust T3 so much

[Andante]

HEAL: looker I mean, they're in every single coalition except Galron's unfinished one, so sure. ISO also doesn't look too bad so probably town.

[ProHawk]

And the coalitions are looking even worse rofl

[Andante]

And the coalitions are looking even worse rofl

hey I put you in mine!!! it's a good one!

[Andante]

based on the super low activity, I'm betting we don't coalition 5 town. just a thought

[Umlaut]

Update post

175 (Prohawk) - I liked this post for several minutes because it seemed to show some effort at sorting, but after a few rereads I realized the mechanism fundamentally doesn't make any sense. We're going to sort people based on a characteristic (self-healing) that we all know is just as useful for any alignment because "scum might do it to look town because town would do it"? Hogwash.

Enchant comes out looking better in the followup exchange than Prohawk does.

184 (Enchant) - I don't understand what "mafia trying to follow waves" means and I don't see any reason to think Esther is maf.

198 (Esther) - strong agree that whether or not Enchant's posts are ultimately useful content-wise they demonstrate a town perspective.

199 (Esther) and the followup theorycrafting discussion: I think assuming scum are so doctrinaire in their planning as to even have a significant preference for one vs. two in coalition is probably a mistake. Speaking for myself, as scum I am generally allergic to plans more complex than "look town, shoot the biggest threats, frame a few townies, win the game" and the only thought I would give to who 'should' be in the coalition is that at least one of me or my hypothetical buddy would have to be so we don't insta-lose. The only sense in which "it's more likely only one scum is in the coalition," in my opinion, is that assuming town do better than random at sorting, a person chosen for the coalition is therefore more likely to be town.

209 (T3) - You don't think scum!Prohawk does

what,

exactly?

214 (Looker) - makes sense to me even if it's not exactly how I'm using my heals; making an effort to be transparent is good.

I like the analysis in Post 102 moreso than the HEAL, which is ironic because you thought I was sheeping you on Andante so you probably feel some type of way about blind faith as well. You're another player I'm comfortable being wrong about. I'd rather be wrong about a scum that put in the effort (like Ame in Purgatory), than one who coasts with no content and wins with no effort. Hoping you're not scum, though.

Actually saying "No, I'm just sheeping you" would have been fine, I don't think recognizing a good (or even just okay) case and following it without adding your own thoughts is a bad thing necessarily. I was more just trying to see where your vote was coming from at all.

228 (Esther) - gives me town vibes I can't explain.

229 (MBot) - don't like it. Too much self-justification: "I'm very obviously a newb and still getting used to figuring out reads..." + "Maybe I get triggered by early 'I'm town.' statements..." looks like MBot cares a lot to have her posts be

acceptable

. Worrying too much about low content from a player like T3 also seems like easy commentary to make, which is okay in itself but doesn't help the post overall.

Can we chat about Enchant tho?

Who do you suggest I replace them with?

MBot, or possibly Andante.

I could compromise with you on Galron

This post merits a revisit if ProHawk turns out to be scum (I'm not totally sold on this but it's a possibility for me), making a note of it for now.

243 (Esther) - interested in hearing why ProHawk isn't a plausible Andante buddy but it's not a priority today.

251 (Esther) - this is good townposting. I think Esther's thoughts on ProHawk are too... nuanced? don't have the right word... to come from a scum-faking-it perspective. And I think making this point

so everyone will see it

and not just to cast aspersion on ProHawk is just not the sort of motive that immediately comes to mind if you are making things up. I am very comfortable calling Esther my top townread.

Stopping here for now, this post is getting very long. I think my coalition as it stands is the right one. Ask me questions if you have 'em.

[Umlaut]

My current coalition is {Umlaut, Looker, Enchant, mc esther, Galron}. Could sub T3 for someone on this list (most likely Galron, I guess? idk) if that's the way things go. Not interested in coalitioning any of Prohawk, MBot, or Andante.

Esther is absolutely bleeding town and should be in any coalition worth the name.

[Looker]

Same: Galron vs T3. Leaning T3 due to activity and formed coalition.

[ProHawk]

Not my first choice but I could compromise on Esther being town Bloc,

We can argue my theory post game.

Not interested in any coalition with Enchant in it

[ProHawk]

Okay, i kinda like this.

HURT: Everyone
HEAL: Galron, mc esther, Umlaut, Looker, T3

Who can't see the cognative dissonance here?

[Looker]

Me. Explain.

[ProHawk]

I don't care. I am town, and thus belong in coalition. You can't prove me otherwise.
My self-vote makes sense. Because i am town.

Then proceeds to create a coalition without themselves in it.

[Looker]

Are you saying Enchant had a chance to be coalitioned by 5 people and purposely averted?

[Looker]

Galron - Middle of the Pack - I am concerned with the post implying that Looker may not be town because he isn't self-healing.
T3 - Hidden 1st Self-Heal
Enchant - 1st Self-Heal, Likely Maf
mc ester - 1st Self-Heal, Likely Maf

HEAL: Andante
HEAL: Umlaut
HEAL: MBot
HEAL: ProHawk

I'm good with me not being in the coalition should most people not town-read me which happens with much frequency.

So is self-healing good or bad

[ProHawk]

It's cognitive dissonance. I'm not talking about theory here

[ProHawk]

They threw a fucking hissy fit about me even MENTIONING being willing to not be in a coalition, hell even bringing in another game which they had NOT argued in this game yet implied that they did.

And then bam, okay I'll do it too. It was a lie, classic scum tell.

[Looker]

"Hissy fit" is kind of vague. Was the point Enchant was asserting "I'm not giving you town credit for saying you're willing to not be coalitioned"? And was your counterpoint anything along the lines of "Me not willing to be coalitioned is alignment-indicative/not alignment-indicative"? Sorry, I'm not the best with communication.