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[Quiet Owl]

As much as I hate enchant and gera sometimes I just think that scum is butter, jeff, and owl but idk.

fite me

It'd at least produce some content to analyse, instead of trying to make something out of this eeny-meeny-miny-mo fingerpointing game.

[Nero Cain]

i mean, nothing is stopping you from producing content and hunting for scum unless....

[Datisi]

Votecount 3.2

Szyby - Diho feat. Alberto, Bibič, Josef Bratan

Scorpious

(2): Ahri, yeezys

Enchant

(1): Scorpious

Hella Jeff

(1): Nero Cain

Not Voting

(5): geraintm, Quiet Owl, Enchant, Hella Jeff, butterchurn

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate

Day 3 deadline ends in (expired on 2022-02-04 00:00:51)

dual mod iso

[yeezys]

isn't that just this?

no LOL
i kill and protect that one target, so basically i kill them and then save their life.

[Nero Cain]

so...you basically do nothing?

[Scorpious]

I think it’s worth nothing that Emchant has played this same game in EVERY game we’ve been in.

Im almost honored..

[Enchant]

Who the hell is Emchant

[geraintm]

ahri fucked us over anyways um hi guys i'm an ascetic vigilante doctor mason. in case you don't know what ascetic means i can't be targeted by night actions, and the vigilante doctor combo lets me target one person per night, attempting to kill them while also protecting them from a kill (which just makes the role useless)
anyways, you want me to be more active but No lol i'm pretty busy with school

I have absolutely no idea what this role is. I assume mod has put it in for a reason to screw either a town or scum role so they get confused. But it is beyond me.

But I cannot see you getting killed anyway by the end of thr game, you are going to be there so I hope your reads are good

[geraintm]

You are all

"I'm scum reading you!"

then you lambast me for moving my vote to Fua with the reasoning that if I have a strong feeling I shouldn't charge my vote

but then you don't vote for me despite your strong feeling that I was scum

Like you seem super scummy to me but I'm maybe a little worried that you are just LHF

let's start here today

VOTE: Enchant

I said that if you have an opinion strong enough to vote someone, and neither they or the other person post in thread, to me it looks like you are trying hard to throw enough spaghetti around and hope some of it sticks.

And that you have started today trying to get another wagon going....it looks kinda desperate.

[geraintm]

You are all

"I'm scum reading you!"

then you lambast me for moving my vote to Fua with the reasoning that if I have a strong feeling I shouldn't charge my vote

but then you don't vote for me despite your strong feeling that I was scum

Like you seem super scummy to me but I'm maybe a little worried that you are just LHF

let's start here today

VOTE: Enchant

Fine with that. Not like I’ve been right about anything so far. Except Greeting

VOTE: Enchant

With this ,I am kinda thinking the odds are there is one scum somewhere between Nero, scorpious and enchant

[Hella Jeff]

I think it’s worth nothing that Emchant has played this same game in EVERY game we’ve been in.

Im almost honored..

what do you mean by this?

[butterchurn]

I've been here 10 years and I've seen scum fakeclaim masons once. I agree that its not impossible and I think someone could go "ah an Arhi/yeezy/??? scum team makes sense." but they are not for today. Who do you think is scum?

Fair, I guess. I just see their behavior as looking incredibly scummy and it was hard to imagine a world where they're town, even if logically it makes the most sense. I'm having a hard time with this game, it feels like there's not much to work with, and people keep just stating who they're suspicious of or voting them with no reasoning behind it and that makes it extremely hard to determine if their reasoning is scum-motivated or not. Looking at that reasoning is how I tend to hunt scum, and I'm not sure if people just aren't caring about this game or if it's a playstyle thing, but I think it's making it much easier for scum to hide. And hey, maybe it doesn't matter anyway if there are 3 masons and they just vote whoever they want. I feel generally skeptical about the prospect of just handing the reins of the game over to them, though.

Roughly in order of willingness to vote at the moment:

Scorpious

- Townread off early agreement about greeting and off what I thought was scum (fua, geriant, later yeezys) taking advantage of a questionable wagon. Has been coasting/active lurking extremely hard, I think the "boo hoo this game is bad everyone's reasoning is bad get me out of here" approach has outlasted what I would expect from town and has entered into the territory of looking like scum trying to milk it. I agree with the general sentiment, but I think the town response to that is to actually put some effort in and find scum. He has one of the higher post counts but so many of them lack any actual content.

geriantm

- Discussed recently already, still feel pretty much the same. Could be partners with scorpious, actually, now that I think about it, because that would make the belief that ahri did actually have something investigative make more sense -- if he knew the result was true, he wouldn't have much reason to doubt it.

Enchant

- Has done literally nothing yet. Don't know what to make of that. Brazen in a way that I tend to associate with town, but if they play like this often, then it's not very meaningful. Did some research, and attitude looks generally similar in past games, but they tend to actually have content as both alignments. So I dunno.

Hella Jeff

- Seemed towny at first to me, lately seems to be coasting. Similar to scorpious but the coasting is less extreme. Probably should be looking closer.

Nero Cain

- First instinct is seems logical and reasonable in a level-headed towny way, but I should probably also be looking closer here.

Quiet Owl

- The dwlee incident still makes me think town (especially with dwlee confirmed as VT, although I think that was fairly obvious already), but general behavior isn't very towny.

yeezys

- Mason, apparently, despite scummy behavior.

Ahri

- Mason, apparently

[yeezys]

so...you basically do nothing?

didn't i already say that

[geraintm]

Sorry I got interested earlier, i meant to say jnwas going to have to come back and look at Butter's posts later because too much for me to take in quickly

[Hella Jeff]

the game gives me a headache now, i plant my feet down on the andante slot and they were gambiting without doing anything after
like, i got snowed by her the last mini normal we played together because she made an effort to directly appeal to me (to the point where she changed her opinions on the fly) and they do the exact same thing here
i figured it was some sort of reaction test but zero follow-up when asked is just
Just

right now i think scorpious is just as slimy (in=game) and they're certainly not a mason, i'll put that into more words later

[Enchant]

Game staling when we kill Scorpio or Owl?

[Nero Cain]

And that you have started today trying to get another wagon going....it looks kinda desperate.

if I were scum I could just sit there and do absolutely nothing like the majority of the player list and just coast to win. The fact that I'm actually playing and trying to solve should tell you that I'm town but hey everyone has bad reads sometimes. I get that it's a kinda OMGUSy scumread since I expressed suspicion of you first and I think your play is rather lacking but I'm not sure if you are a red pm or just a not very good green. Though you could argue that maybe I'm not a very good green, as well. I think your argument that I should have stayed on you and didn't progress the game is bad in and of itself but I think you are being a hypocrite while continuing to have me as your top scum read yet not voting me. You say that I am desperate despite scum winning this game so far. I mean just look at this game, Greeting was pushed then Fua was pushed and now Scorp was pushed all with little to no resistance. What this says to me is that scum are nice and comfortable in this gamestate. Maybe its time to shake things up and explore elsewhere. And look at your own track record. You pushed

Greeting

then

Yeezy

(prob just a mason but some reasonable doubt that its just a fakeclaimed scumteam) and then

Nero

and if scorp flips town then you would have pushed nothing but town.

Chances are that Scorp will get voted out today so I'll either be proven right or wrong and I know how this already plays out, if he flips green then there's going to be the "Nero is scum that knew Scorp was town!" and if he red flips then we get "Nero is obviously his buddy."

While VCA isn't always 100% correct Owl and Jeff both being green means it was an all town wagon and that seems a little far-fetched to me.

Ok, going to look at the wagons and see if there is any info there

Greeting (7): Quiet Owl,

geraintm

,

fua

,

Dwlee99

, Hella Jeff,

Galron

,

Andante

Yeezys [HAMMERED]

Work with me and lets vote Hella Jeff for being Hella scum.

[Nero Cain]

the only other option is that if you think both Owl and Jeff are town then you are left with Scorpious, Enchant and butterchurn as scum.

[Nero Cain]

Game staling when we kill Scorpio or Owl?

owl isn't even a thing. Scorp already has 2 votes and all of Hella Jeff, Butterchurn and gera have expressed a willingness to vote there so he's as good as dead.

[butterchurn]

You say that I am desperate despite scum winning this game so far. I mean just look at this game, Greeting was pushed then Fua was pushed and now Scorp was pushed all with little to no resistance. What this says to me is that scum are nice and comfortable in this gamestate. Maybe its time to shake things up and explore elsewhere.

I had a similar line of thought. Makes me somewhat uneasy when nearly everyone seems to be willing to vote Scorp. I think it's only you and Owl who haven't expressed willingness. Could be that if he's scum, his partners see it as a foregone conclusion that he's going out and decide to commit to the bus, but I'm not sure. What made you start thinking it's Jeff instead of geriant, among those left from the Greeting wagon? I'm of the opposite opinion, and I don't see any explanation of your switch.

[Nero Cain]

I'm town. Like I don't care if I'm "scummy" its an objectively true fact that I'm town. I willing to buy the two mason claims. Enchant is prob a green pm with how Hella Jeff treated his slot. I originally thought they were scum together with how Jeff went after Greeting for voting Capo but then Jeff questioning an Enchant wagon b/c capo was funny feels like a straight up scum reaction to me.

enchant wagon ?
i liked capo

UNVOTE:
wauw

i liked capo

y?

they were one of the only funny people in the game
that's abt all i remember

[Nero Cain]

What made you start thinking it's Jeff instead of geriant, among those left from the Greeting wagon?

Its not really great reasoning. I was just willing to believe that maybe he was town like he claimed. Nothing also says it has to be one or the other as they could both be scum. But also, while he didn't vote Yeezy he was the one that first brought him up, and then you and Jeff voted Yeezy and it was playing in the back of my mind that he could just be misguided town that's getting sheeped by scum.

[Nero Cain]

I mean maybe Scorpious is scum and I'm just on the wrong track here but there being shit all resistance to him and a mason not dying (though that could be explained away by scum not wanting to lose day chat) kinda makes me think he's just town but maybe he'd be a good death so that the masons can move on but I sorta think scum is some combination of

Hella Jeff
geraintm
butterchurn
Quiet Owl

[Nero Cain]

also

right now i think scorpious is just as slimy (in=game) and they're certainly not a mason, i'll put that into more words later

just felt like going with the flow and it being day 3 with no scum flipped having a singular focus just doesn't seem honest

of course, he has these excuses for not participating very much

the game gives me a headache now

yeah taht self vote killed a lot of my motivation tbh

or am I just off my rocker here?

[Nero Cain]

even if scorp was scum there's still 2 scum in

Hella Jeff
geraintm

Enchant

butterchurn
Quiet Owl

assuming enchant is town and maybe Owl is town afterall...IDK I'll talk about him later (I'm really conflicted) but if enchant and owl were town it means that his whole scum team is bussing him or maybe he's just town and the entire scum team has said they'd vote him but aren't committing there yet