In post 421, shiki wrote:which, if we think cape and i are particularly similar players, then this is likely slightly +mafia for cape,
which, i mean, probably roughly as similar as anyone if not more so as i very very rarely think, oh! that is like me! and have thought that about multiple cape posts
In post 405, Cape90 wrote:I feel like I am the type of player who likes to be careful day 1 (especially since I have been wrong A LOT).
and the like, specific narrow extended interaction thing is something scum!me has leaned on;
day one into the first post of day two (written during the night) of this (iso posts 1-19) is probably the best example of my doing so (thought i was informed minority up until that point, there was a twist et cetera but all of that not so important to the point here)
(can even find elements of this in the way i sought out datisi to interact with at different points of last normal blitz which is why i originally started thinking about this here)
In post 425, shiki wrote:here's my iso from silent star: lunacy (as drusilla)
day one into the first post of day two (written during the night) of this (iso posts 1-19) is probably the best example of my doing so (thought i was informed minority up until that point, there was a twist et cetera but all of that not so important to the point here)
i am referring to my approach to interacting with kanna here, sorry if unclear
kinda think jacket is most likely partner on red flip
due to pretty weird reads of eachother and complete lack of interaction between them in isos
but hammer kinda hm on its own
Jacket kill is a bit odd given this post, which I sort of agreed with at the time though didn't say it explicitly.
I was already at least leaning town on shiki and this makes me more confident in that, because I don't think she plants this idea in twilight and then just offs Jacket anyway. I can
maybe
envision some sort of 7d chess gambit where she does that
just
to make people like me think exactly what I am thinking, but in reality I just do not expect that sort of thing to happen much.
“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,
In post 428, Umlaut wrote:I was already at least leaning town on shiki and this makes me more confident in that, because I don't think she plants this idea in twilight and then just offs Jacket anyway. I can maybe envision some sort of 7d chess gambit where she does that just to make people like me think exactly what I am thinking, but in reality I just do not expect that sort of thing to happen much.
feel like i am more or less confirmed; like one would have to believe that i intentionally made the game much harder for myself with my approach to dorsey to believe i was mafia here,
most likely explanation for jacket kill to me would be because mafia thought jacket was somewhat likely to be a mason due to hammer with no claim, but am curious if there are others
In post 429, shiki wrote:like one would have to believe that i intentionally made the game much harder for myself with my approach to dorsey to believe i was mafia here,
which also would have made the game kinda miserable for dorsey? and like, yeah,
In post 218, Dorsey wrote:Umlaut, are you more impressed with bugspray's iso?
VOTE: bugspray
This was Dorsey's response to my case on them. I think this makes
bugspray
Enchant solid town. I just don't see scum!Dorsey being told their ISO is terrible and responding with "Sure, but have you considered that my partner's ISO is
also
terrible?"
“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,
oh yeah, another thought. dorsey flipped rolecop, so the odds that they were bussed is probably lower than usual?
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
Pretty sure it's just Looker, for lack of any other plausible options.
Maybe
Datisi but I've found his play pretty towny, particularly today: there is just no scum motivation for them as scum who didn't bus to come out with good arguments that scum was not busing. And as for Cape I don't believe he just sits there no-voting at end of day when his buddy is on the chopping block.
VOTE: Looker
“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,
(vanders is prob my most-likely scum on-wagon, but i will tactically not mention it until tomorrow)
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 171, Dorsey wrote:Only players I haven't seen really criticized are bugspray and Cape (other than Looker's hate crime)
weren't people calling bugs scummy? and do you have an opinion on those players? (or like, anyone not named shiki)
I do, but I doubt it'll be helpful or I would have given it already. But here goes...
Vander...I've only seen them protect Shiki and OMGUS me
Jacket...I like them but didn't want to broadcast it because they said they townread me. I was trying to emulate their reaction testing with Shiki but I don't have as many posts.
Bug...Doesn't really say much. I know you said people were calling them scum, but I didn't see much reaction.
Cape...I don't see a really telling connection with anyone. (They had unvoted Jacket but Micc just didn't catch it - had to get that off my chest)
Wheels/Datisi...Please don't make another cult. LGW struck me as a background character and I don't know what made them leave.
Looker...Minimal iso with vote shifts. I'm biased towards this behavior because I do the same thing unless I'm replacing in and there's already content.
Shiki...I don't agree with everything the slot says, but I'm okay with believing for now that a slot wouldn't be so effusive if they didn't believe what they were saying.
Umlaut...Thought the E-1 was weird. Also leery of the pass given to Datisi for perceived contradiction or "madness", but I think that's just because I'm leery of Datisi.
Also if I kind of squint at this and let my confirmation bias run rampant then the 'read' on Looker is pretty weird and seems like excuse to townread them without claiming there's anything particularly towny about them (Dorsey is 'biased toward' players who... don't post much?)
“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,
Though to be fair all of those reads are pretty empty.
“There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say, ‘There are two kinds of people in this world: those who say there are two kinds of people in this world,
In post 28, Dorsey wrote:Have there been any games where there were no scum slots assigned? Like everyone was town and didn't know it? I want to read that one.
I wouldn't think so. Why is this a thought that popped in your head in regards to this game?
In post 178, Vanderscamp wrote:I think Dorsey has the highest chance of being scum because I really didn't like their read that shiki was scum for not voting.
Having that read in the first place was somewhat fair, but the part I really didn't like was him maintaining the read when shiki gave a pretty strong justification for it, including stating that not voting is something she often does.
I think what shiki had to say around that period was probably the towniest anyone has been this game and I dislike that Dorsey didn't pick up on that.
My townread on shiki is stronger than my scumread on Dorsey.
I still dislike Jacket's defensiveness and his reads, but I'm less sold on this being scum indicative now and more thinking it is just his playstyle to take things too seriously. The biggest part of me gaining this read was when he said "congratulations" when someone said they thought he might be a serious player or whatever it was.
I'm also happy to sheep Umlaut's read saying that Datisi wouldn't say they didn't want to kill Umlaut but then voting there anyway for a minor town lean.
In post 187, Dorsey wrote:Vander...I've only seen them protect Shiki and OMGUS me
In post 381, Dorsey wrote:I think it's Vanderscamp. VOTE: Vanderscamp Good luck.
edit-Ha
Spoiler: Buddying?
In post 85, Dorsey wrote:yea. u say u suspect cape, but all your questions are for jacket.
townies are jacket, shiki, bugspray, dorsey, in no specific order
In post 150, Cape90 wrote:I don't have strong opinions on Dorsey but
In post 28, Dorsey wrote:Have there been any games where there were no scum slots assigned? Like everyone was town and didn't know it? I want to read that one.
In post 29, Dorsey wrote:Sorry, that really didn't progress this thread at all.
Both of these strike me as towny with one another, moreso on the ladder quote here
In post 187, Dorsey wrote:Bug...Doesn't really say much. I know you said people were calling them scum, but I didn't see much reaction.
Cape...I don't see a really telling connection with anyone. (They had unvoted Jacket but Micc just didn't catch it - had to get that off my chest)
Wheels/Datisi...Please don't make another cult. LGW struck me as a background character and I don't know what made them leave.
Looker...Minimal iso with vote shifts. I'm biased towards this behavior because I do the same thing unless I'm replacing in and there's already content.
Shiki...I don't agree with everything the slot says, but I'm okay with believing for now that a slot wouldn't be so effusive if they didn't believe what they were saying.
Umlaut...Thought the E-1 was weird. Also leery of the pass given to Datisi for perceived contradiction or "madness", but I think that's just because I'm leery of Datisi.
In post 209, Cape90 wrote:i forgot the context that Dorsey was voting shiki there. Makes sense and I think it's a decent/valid thought
In post 210, Cape90 wrote:I guess thinking about it more, what catches me off gaurd is Dorsey then proceeding to not advance the threadstate until 72, like they literally posted nothing until that time which I would expect if Dorsey was concerned about advancing the threadstate, they would make more of an active effort like, right after they said 29. The thread was already
being
advanced by the time Dorsey chimed in with a game progressing post.
would need very good reason to look outside of {datisi, cape, looker} right now
yeah
I disagree with this, I think Cape is vastly townier than specifically enchant and I wouldn't even consider voting Cape before enchant.
Voting is relevant but not the be all and end all.
kinda think jacket is most likely partner on red flip
due to pretty weird reads of eachother and complete lack of interaction between them in isos
but hammer kinda hm on its own
Jacket kill is a bit odd given this post, which I sort of agreed with at the time though didn't say it explicitly.
I was already at least leaning town on shiki and this makes me more confident in that, because I don't think she plants this idea in twilight and then just offs Jacket anyway. I can
maybe
envision some sort of 7d chess gambit where she does that
just
to make people like me think exactly what I am thinking, but in reality I just do not expect that sort of thing to happen much.
I would vote there except I believe that will put Looker at E-1 and I don't think it's necessary to vote right now on the off chance someone who isn't aware of the count accidentally hammers.
I don't see myself voting any of the Dorsey voters today, I would need a pretty good reason to do so. I still think enchant is generally scummy, but nowhere near close enough to want to kill today. I actually think the vote on me is towny, I can easily see the vote on me as being a town who just has no clue what is going on rather than a mafia agenda.
Cape I think is extremely towny for writing a 2000 word essay on why someone (Datisi?) is scum, only to quickly reevaluate about five minutes later. That is BALLER as mafia because it is just such a pointless waste of time.
Between looker and Datisi, I think it's a pretty easy decision to vote Datisi. Datisi has been townier, and I think looker's analysis post of likely partners and likely buddying was probably bad enough to lose its "analysis" title, it was just a sequence of posts without any kind of clear thought progression behind it.
why is umlaut on that list and why am i *not* on that list?
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 417, shiki wrote:for cape, when the wagons were 2 dorsey 2 cape 2 bugspray(enchant) did cape/dorsey behave as though they needed the wagon on enchant/new wagon?
