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Catching up with the building bricks as there’s been a lot of posts.

When I was working on my local env special fields could disappear if someone messed up posts.

Gonna start reading backwards to try to avoid hyperposting. Anything in particular I should look at?

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Wu needs to step the fuck up and start contributing to the game.

Okay coach. Make sure to tell him in your little "neighborhood"

VOTE: Cape

This seems sus for reasoning I think the foundation for will be apparent. Not sure how to explain it yet but I am hoping my wording will evolve into something people can understand.

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I think the HEM wagon is sorta fast. Kinda makes me wary but maybe that still flips scum, idk.

i kinda thought the same for a bit, but isn't any wagon in a game this big gonna feel sorta off?

no? It seems like there's been way more cohesion ITG than in most games. It feels like most of the votes have been on HEM, Wu, Fua, Nord.

Datisi as well.

There hasn’t been a VC in a while.

Care to say who’s on me?

I have a good feeling it’s probably a lot of scum.

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Wu needs to step the fuck up and start contributing to the game.

Okay coach. Make sure to tell him in your little "neighborhood"

VOTE: Cape

This seems sus for reasoning I think the foundation for will be apparent. Not sure how to explain it yet but I am hoping my wording will evolve into something people can understand.

Both I believe are a bit strange for different reasons, definitely would flip Nord over Wu, but I do kinda think Wu just kinda has been a nonpresence in the game.

You’re never flipping me, ever. You’d have more luck flipping the mod or selling for a loss in the US real estate market.

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I think the HEM wagon is sorta fast. Kinda makes me wary but maybe that still flips scum, idk.

i kinda thought the same for a bit, but isn't any wagon in a game this big gonna feel sorta off?

no? It seems like there's been way more cohesion ITG than in most games. It feels like most of the votes have been on HEM, Wu, Fua, Nord.

Datisi as well.

There hasn’t been a VC in a while.

Care to say who’s on me?

I have a good feeling it’s probably a lot of scum.

What gives you this feeling?

Or is it just a thing that you thought town would say?

The landscape from posts being left on a slot that couldn’t do anything while I couldn’t rep in yet.

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anyway.

nordom is town for his interaction with deasvail but i think DV is also town for looking at eyes without a face with suspicion.

datisi i'm leaning town on, i'm not sure what the case on him is, i don't quite understand it

i want ari to speak more, but i thought between HEM and Ari, ari looked worse, which is a change from my previous read of HEM being bad. I think I want to VOTE: Aristeia for now.

Oh lovely.

Now I know why my predecessor was replaced.

Another slot to never play with again.

Deploying hugs to those who need them or want them.

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I think the HEM wagon is sorta fast. Kinda makes me wary but maybe that still flips scum, idk.

i kinda thought the same for a bit, but isn't any wagon in a game this big gonna feel sorta off?

no? It seems like there's been way more cohesion ITG than in most games. It feels like most of the votes have been on HEM, Wu, Fua, Nord.

Datisi as well.

There hasn’t been a VC in a while.

Care to say who’s on me?

I have a good feeling it’s probably a lot of scum.

What gives you this feeling?

Or is it just a thing that you thought town would say?

The landscape from posts being left on a slot that couldn’t do anything while I couldn’t rep in yet.

By posts do you mean votes?

If so, I feel like that’s a pretty common occurrence.

I do yeah.

It’s a good place for scum to drop a vote and hide.

There’s a huge D1.

Someone dropping a vote on someone who can’t post is a pretty bad move.

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Wu needs to step the fuck up and start contributing to the game.

Okay coach. Make sure to tell him in your little "neighborhood"

VOTE: Cape

This seems sus for reasoning I think the foundation for will be apparent. Not sure how to explain it yet but I am hoping my wording will evolve into something people can understand.

Both I believe are a bit strange for different reasons, definitely would flip Nord over Wu, but I do kinda think Wu just kinda has been a nonpresence in the game.

You’re never flipping me, ever. You’d have more luck flipping the mod or selling for a loss in the US real estate market.

Is this how you usually feel as town?

And as scum to be fair. I am town though. I generally avoid talking meta to avoid trust tells and work on similar posts as any alignment.

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Wu needs to step the fuck up and start contributing to the game.

Okay coach. Make sure to tell him in your little "neighborhood"

VOTE: Cape

This seems sus for reasoning I think the foundation for will be apparent. Not sure how to explain it yet but I am hoping my wording will evolve into something people can understand.

Both I believe are a bit strange for different reasons, definitely would flip Nord over Wu, but I do kinda think Wu just kinda has been a nonpresence in the game.

You’re never flipping me, ever. You’d have more luck flipping the mod or selling for a loss in the US real estate market.

You know what, I like you

VOTE: Unvote

Cool gonna use the VC to find a scum

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So how do we reach scoring? A game of go ends when both players pass, agreeing that there is nothing more they can do. Then they look to see if they agree on which stones on the board are alive or would inevitably be captured, and if they disagree they start playing again until they agree, and pass again.

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Official Votecount 1.9

humaneatingmonkey (6): Aristeia, VP Baltar, skitter30, Datisi, fireisredsir, Yeet

[E-4]

MathBlade (4): DeasVail, tenebrousluminary, Cape90, Nero Cain
GeneralWu (2): fua, Save The Dragons
Datisi (1): humaneatingmonkey
Cape90 (1): MathBlade
Yeet (1): Frogsterking

Not Voting (5): Scorpious, MalcolmTucker, Eyes without a face, GeneralWu

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to achieve an eliminaton.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-03-12 05:15:00).

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For fucks sake.

You all managed to wagon BOTH masons?!?!?!

Fucking reboot this D1 is atrocious.

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VOTE: Nerocain

After my flip.

You don’t dayvig a mason and live

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no way you believe that's real.

1265 sounds jokey and I don't relly remember town math being jokey

Really? You wanna go there?

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Catching up with the building bricks as there’s been a lot of posts.

When I was working on my local env special fields could disappear if someone messed up posts.

Gonna start reading backwards to try to avoid hyperposting. Anything in particular I should look at?

Wu needs to step the fuck up and start contributing to the game.

Okay coach. Make sure to tell him in your little "neighborhood"

VOTE: Cape

This seems sus for reasoning I think the foundation for will be apparent. Not sure how to explain it yet but I am hoping my wording will evolve into something people can understand.

Both I believe are a bit strange for different reasons, definitely would flip Nord over Wu, but I do kinda think Wu just kinda has been a nonpresence in the game.

You’re never flipping me, ever. You’d have more luck flipping the mod or selling for a loss in the US real estate market.

Wu needs to step the fuck up and start contributing to the game.

Okay coach. Make sure to tell him in your little "neighborhood"

VOTE: Cape

This seems sus for reasoning I think the foundation for will be apparent. Not sure how to explain it yet but I am hoping my wording will evolve into something people can understand.

Buildings, foundation, landscape << mason crumb

Evolution << Monkey

Back off.

Reset reads

Get on a wagon that has a chance at hitting scum

Rather than faking a dayvig on an obvious mason

Let’s get our reads fixed

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sure

VOTE: eyes

Why eyes?

@VP that’s my thought looking at the VC

Scum are likely distributed on both mine and monkey’s wagons.

I did a reverse post count and saw Nero and Datisi with the highest.

Someone want to town case them?

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Math, if you're trying to mimic House's play in our last game, you're not doing a good job.

The last person I would ever fucking mimic is House.

That is all I wanna say about House ever

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Hey MathBlade, are you from AoPS?

Hey! It’s a site I don’t know the abbreviation for.

So going to go with no?

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Math, if you're trying to mimic House's play in our last game, you're not doing a good job.

The last person I would ever fucking mimic is House.

That is all I wanna say about House ever

Why in the hell would you claim now then? The wagon on you is clearly about your predecessor being obnoxious.

You can understand why I think this is fake.

Because nearly every player has voted and the wagons are me and my mason partner and d1 is the most foundational part of the game. People get opinions set in stone.

No I clearly don’t because D1 mason claiming as scum is Suicide.

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math I don't understand why you didn't start to tunnel anyone yet. u said you'd look @ the vc to find scum and then ????

I am trying to read and not hyperpost.

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VOTE: Nerocain

After my flip.

You don’t dayvig a mason and live

Oh shoot.
(Pun somewhat intended )

What's your takeaway from that interaction?

I think you’re town.

Can you give me a tldr on how our wagons started?
The mason PT is kinda mum.

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No I clearly don’t because D1 mason claiming as scum is Suicide

Lol literally quoting House now but ok. I'll take you at your word I guess even though I find your play here extremely poor. This will get resolved one way or another.

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VOTE: GeneralWu

It’s actually good.

I am not always the best with reads as town.

If I eat a bullet or monkey does then scum waste their shot on not as good town and we don’t lose me today and monkey tonight or vice versa.

As soon as one of us flips mason the other almost always dies.

Plus with monkey being inactive ish then the other PRs as this is a large are free to act.

It’s win win.

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The third rule of go is

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which prevents situations where a player immediately returns the board back to the previous position. In the image below if you have just played one of the red marked stones your opponent could not immediately capture back.

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Official Votecount 1.6

Datisi (5): skitter30, Yeet, humaneatingmonkey, Nordom, tenebrousluminary

[E-5]

Nordom (3): fireisredsir, DeasVail, Nero Cain
humaneatingmonkey (2): Aristeia, Cape90
fua (1): VP Baltar
skitter30 (1): Datisi
Eyes without a face (1): Save The Dragons
Yeet (1): Frogsterking
GeneralWu (1): fua

Not Voting (4): Scorpious, MalcolmTucker, Eyes without a face, GeneralWu

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to achieve an eliminaton.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-03-12 05:15:00).

click here for joined mod iso.

VOTE: Datisi

I think based on the VCs Datisi needs to flip.

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Does anyone townread him?

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Is the dayvig thing real?
MathBlade still hasn't been flipped yet.

I might as well be flipped.
It’s probably not real.

Do you TR Datisi?

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The second rule of go is the suicide rule. You cannot play in a position that reduces the liberties of one of your groups to zero, resulting in it being captured.

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Official Votecount 1.3

GeneralWu (4): Nero Cain, fua, VP Baltar, tenebrousluminary

[E-6]

Datisi (3): skitter30, Yeet, humaneatingmonkey
tenebrousluminary (2): fireisredsir, Save The Dragons
humaneatingmonkey (2): Aristeia, Cape90
skitter30 (1): Datisi
Yeet (1): Frogsterking

Not Voting (6): Scorpious, DeasVail, MalcolmTucker, Eyes without a face, Nordom, GeneralWu

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to achieve an eliminaton.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-03-12 05:15:00).

It isn't suicide to play a stone that captures your opponents stones, even if it has no liberties before the capture removes those stones.

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Official Votecount 1.4

Datisi (5): skitter30, Yeet, humaneatingmonkey, Nordom, tenebrousluminary

[E-5]

humaneatingmonkey (3): Aristeia, Cape90, VP Baltar
Yeet (2): Frogsterking, Nero Cain
skitter30 (1): Datisi
Eyes without a face (1): Save The Dragons
tenebrousluminary (1): fireisredsir
GeneralWu (1): fua

Not Voting (5): Scorpious, DeasVail, MalcolmTucker, Eyes without a face, GeneralWu

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to achieve an eliminaton.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-03-12 05:15:00).

The third rule of go is

ko

which prevents situations where a player immediately returns the board back to the previous position. In the image below if you have just played one of the red marked stones your opponent could not immediately capture back.

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Official Votecount 1.6

Datisi (5): skitter30, Yeet, humaneatingmonkey, Nordom, tenebrousluminary

[E-5]

Nordom (3): fireisredsir, DeasVail, Nero Cain
humaneatingmonkey (2): Aristeia, Cape90
fua (1): VP Baltar
skitter30 (1): Datisi
Eyes without a face (1): Save The Dragons
Yeet (1): Frogsterking
GeneralWu (1): fua

Not Voting (4): Scorpious, MalcolmTucker, Eyes without a face, GeneralWu

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to achieve an eliminaton.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-03-12 05:15:00).

click here for joined mod iso.

I think a good PoE is Datisi, tene, Wu, and Nero.

That should have a lot of scum. It’s not the entire list just with a game this size gotta narrow focus.

I also don’t like how people aren’t talking Datisi. Does anyone townread him?

Like from the VCs it seems pretty clear that Wu/Datisi were being wagoned then scum tried to shift off one/both to me.

Does anyone disagree with that summary?

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Is the dayvig thing real?
MathBlade still hasn't been flipped yet.

I might as well be flipped.
It’s probably not real.

Do you TR Datisi?

I do think he's a bit towny because he reminds me of a town game he played earlier.

How do you explain the game history of Datisi is town to you?

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wow Math how many games have you scumread me in now? At what point are you going to get better?

I said it’s a PoE. I don’t have a read on you yet.

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I TR Datisi and SR Fire. I think he might be being pocketed judging by the way the wagons swung onto two easier targets.

Can you elaborate more? Give me a place to start?

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Start at the top of HEM's ISO and look at the context surrounding there. I think the reaction to him was overblown and that the shift off of him is due to TMI rather than scum not wanting one of their own miselimmed. He was the first real wagon and those never stay to begin with, so I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't reflect his alignment.

What do you make of Wu? And tene?

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Does anyone disagree with that summary?

I don't think this is a good assessment.

I also don't think we should yeet datisi on D1. Happy to kill Wu from your PoE though.

Why do you think this is not a good assessment?

Why do you think not to yeet Datisi d1?

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I think definitely we should elim in Datisi/Wu today probably to get a narrative hold on D1.

I think Datisi is a better elim on VCA but Wu also fits so cooperating

VOTE: Wu

If I had a vig I would shoot tene based on Datisi’s and fire’s early votes.

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Gonna read now so quite for a while unless asked something

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Mathblade already claimed by the time Nero fake claimed, though. This feels like another cheap gotcha.

I am feeling Nero scum IF Wu is.

This feels like bad bus.

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yes Math I hard pushed my shitty scumbuddy and then when there was traction I stopped bussing? If I were scum I'd follow through.

I figure this is a you problem to sort out after Wu if and after Wu flips scum. I will probably be dead by then so I am the wrong audience

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Oops I legitimately forgot
UNVOTE: Nero Cain

What did you forget?

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MathBlade, why did you claim again?

As I said, both me and my partner were top wagons. Means gamestate is bad. Means active scum.

Needed to claim to fix D1 as D1 is most impressionable.

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MathBlade, why did you claim again?

As I said, both me and my partner were top wagons. Means gamestate is bad. Means active scum.

Needed to claim to fix D1 as D1 is most impressionable.

Wait, why though?

I feel like there was still plenty of time to wait for the wagons to shift away from you guys.

That’s time scum are in control and town are mislead

There was good scum in control of the game at my replace in.

Generally you have to destroy good scum early and fuck with plans.

I get you hate it and find it suboptimal. But I work on thread movement and vibes and these were bad. There’s a good chance of monkey got to E-1 someone would say liar and hammer.

It’s a risk and if you disagree you can yell at me post game

I think you’re scum unhappy your miselim is fighting back

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this got kinda wild. i feel like math is making assumptions about the game state and how it developed that are not really based on much and are not really accurate. but i think the whole "go go go disrupt scum plans" thing is kinda neat in principle at least

VOTE: tenebro

Interesting.

What assumption do you think is wrong?

And why do you TR Wu?

And why do you agree tene is scum despite my “assumptions being bad”?

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No I clearly don’t because D1 mason claiming as scum is Suicide.

Uh just pointing out that we literally *just* saw an example where the day1 fakeclaim masons were town and scum, and respectively lasted until n4 and day5 respectively (and that you were being quite difficult abt flipping the scum half ....)


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Anyways i dont particularly believe this but i'll let night actions sort it out
VOTE: fua

Why fua? They don’t seem scummy.

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this got kinda wild. i feel like math is making assumptions about the game state and how it developed that are not really based on much and are not really accurate. but i think the whole "go go go disrupt scum plans" thing is kinda neat in principle at least

VOTE: tenebro

Interesting.

What assumption do you think is wrong?

And why do you TR Wu?

And why do you agree tene is scum despite my “assumptions being bad”?

1. your wagon wasn't very significant once nordom replaced out. i don't think it was going anywhere. monkey one was tho, it was shifting towards monkey vs wu. datisi actually had a decent amount of votes at various points but i don't think he is generally scumread, doubt it would have been a lim there. maybe I'm biased there tho cause I scumread most of the people on his wagon. i also don't think it's clear or guaranteed at all that wu/datisi were the main wagons and scum shifted to you/monkey. things were still pretty fluid, and obviously there is the possibility that all 4 of those are town in which case scum wouldn't care which wagon was leading.

2. i don't. pretty neutral on him. thought he was a LHF wagon but ended up kinda coming around to thinking he could be a decent lim. still don't really scumread him tho

3. i've thought tene was scum basically all game, has nothing to do with you

Then join the Wu wagon?

If we go with your assumption (which a mod VCA doesn’t seem to support) then the monkey wagon v Wu is either TvS or TvT.

Knowing which illuminates what happened there.

If you disagree those (Wu/Datisi) were the main wagons which happened?

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VOTE: skitter

Please stay on the shiny Wu wagon <3 I mean you could wait for VP to call you chicken for moving off

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this got kinda wild. i feel like math is making assumptions about the game state and how it developed that are not really based on much and are not really accurate. but i think the whole "go go go disrupt scum plans" thing is kinda neat in principle at least

VOTE: tenebro

Interesting.

What assumption do you think is wrong?

And why do you TR Wu?

And why do you agree tene is scum despite my “assumptions being bad”?

1. your wagon wasn't very significant once nordom replaced out. i don't think it was going anywhere. monkey one was tho, it was shifting towards monkey vs wu. datisi actually had a decent amount of votes at various points but i don't think he is generally scumread, doubt it would have been a lim there. maybe I'm biased there tho cause I scumread most of the people on his wagon. i also don't think it's clear or guaranteed at all that wu/datisi were the main wagons and scum shifted to you/monkey. things were still pretty fluid, and obviously there is the possibility that all 4 of those are town in which case scum wouldn't care which wagon was leading.

2. i don't. pretty neutral on him. thought he was a LHF wagon but ended up kinda coming around to thinking he could be a decent lim. still don't really scumread him tho

3. i've thought tene was scum basically all game, has nothing to do with you

Then join the Wu wagon?

If we go with your assumption (which a mod VCA doesn’t seem to support) then the monkey wagon v Wu is either TvS or TvT.

Knowing which illuminates what happened there.

If you disagree those (Wu/Datisi) what were the main wagons which happened?

Ebwop

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naw, p sure everyone u scumread is town. i know i am

So then you’ve been pushing town Wu all game and never voting them and you now townread Wu because…?

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R.e. fua:

, really dislike their initial tene scrumread because:
- i tr tene p strongly
- the reasons they gave to sr them dont align wirh what tene was actually doing or saying at varuous points in the game (and thus read as p baseless to me)
- didnt really respond or acknowledge that ehen i pointed that out like half a game ago

I dont really like their take of calling both me ans vpb 'town with bad takes' when we're both objecting to their play


Reads are geneally upside down from mine

What are your reads in broader detail?
How would you summarize D1 so far?

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Tbf nero has been pushing wu for much of the game, your pushes would be better if you read more/listened to the context that people are giving you since i think at best you're coming to conclusions that are based on a diffetent gamestate than the one i've been playing in

That’s why I asked you to give your opinion of D1
I skimmed VCs and am reading backwards.

Wu/fire/tene/Nero/you

This seems a good grouping with lots of scum

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you think he's scum

This reads like you not wanting to bus Wu.

Sure I could be wrong but you have been pushing Nero all game stated by multiple people

You not voting him because I am reads a cop out

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like we're less than 48 hours in. yea there's been a lot of pages, but there's really barely been anything that you could truly call a wagon

There were >1000 posts when I replaced in.
There’s been multiple wagons. That’s a fact.

This is NAGL

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you think he's scum

This reads like you not wanting to bus Wu.

Sure I could be wrong but you have been pushing Wu, Nero all game stated by multiple people

You not voting him because I am reads a cop out

Ebwop my phone fucked up

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Hmmm so you think HEM is scummier than Ari? Am I reading this right Skitter?

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Hmmm so you think HEM is scummier than Ari? Am I reading this right Skitter?

Yes, by far

You think a mason is scummier than Ari? Really?

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NAGL = not a good luck.

VCs posted by mods dispute your post fire.

There’s been wagons on Datisi if there’s been some on Wu.

This is just bad posting

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NAGL = not a good look

VCs posted by mods dispute your post fire.

There’s been wagons on Datisi if there’s been some on Wu.

This is just bad posting

Sorry my phone again

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Hmmm so you think HEM is scummier than Ari? Am I reading this right Skitter?

Yes, by far

You think a mason is scummier than Ari? Really?

On play, yes
If he's actually a mason then sure he's town but based on the info i had at the time fo their fight, he was significanfly scummier

There's a reason both of your slots were getting wagoned...

Yes.
That’s they were excuses to save either Datisi or Wu.

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Don’t get me wrong my predecessor was being mean to put it mildly

But that many votes on policy elims means scum don’t want the active wagons.

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E-5

Datisi on e-5 for 300+ posts is a wagon.
E-4 is arbitrary cutoff

It’s possible Datisi was e-4 during those posts but it’s beside the point to check.

Wagons were happening

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Don’t get me wrong my predecessor was being mean to put it mildly

But that many votes on policy elims means scum don’t want the active wagons.

They were not getting policied, people were voting them since they scumread them

I just think a lot of people were scumreading them because the posts were distasteful without realizing that the scumread was stemming from there

Some probably. But considering north of half the game moved from Datisi/Wu to HEM/me this means scum also did it. Thus implying one or more Datisi/Wu scum
Otherwise scum get brownie points for stopping the wagons they didn’t take.

Datisi/Wu are more threats than inactives.
This movement doesn’t make sense unless one of them is scum.

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"If he's mason, he's town, but I was only SRing him at the time and not now" is how it reads to me.

What do you think of my PoE?

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i don't see the point in not believing the claim at the moment

but I will say that crumbing (in the least secretive way possible) in an entry post and then literally 25 minutes later being like "im mason, look at my crumbs for proof" and then "oh i had to claim because both masons were wagoned QUICK VOTE THESE SPECIFIC OTHER PEOPLE THERE'S NO TIME" is hilarious

i especially like the "hum de dum I'm gonna go hunt scum in a VC" and then coming back with "oh NO me and my mason partner are the lead wagons?? whaaat??" for extra dramatic effect

I didn’t know the VC or have read. It’s always standard to crumb your mason partner minimum.

Again if you have issues with how I play save it for post game. We’re not elimming me or Monkey ever so this is spam.

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She said she's still scum reading him in the present

i do still sr him on play

Skitter is either scum thats going to continue to hedge on them or she's just confbias town but I'm pretty sure she's just scum.

Skitter confbiasing on me isn’t new if she’s town lol

I kinda am just going to ignore her tbh
She’s either scum or doing scum’s job.

Like I get if you disagree with the play but I feel it necessary.

I think we should elim Wu barring a good reason not to.

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I find him scummy but this isnt a read i'm going to pursue rn since i'm going to let night actions sort it out, yes

I'm not gonna retrofit my reads and day his play wasnt scummy at the time because someone claimed masons eith him later

You were literally two weeks ago in a game where town fakeclaimed masons with scum, being in a mason claim doesnt absolve you of your play

What play needs absolving?
Stopped miselim
Took control back from scum
Making scum wagon others

I think that’s good play.

My predecessor was an asshole
And monkey was painted to be scummy but wasn’t

The only thing that’s bad (read not scummy) is jumping the gun on claim but that’s more an opinion.

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I still have to read up but I’m feeling like voting for fua?

Okay I’m literally confused by Wu’s post

That’s a bad vote imho

You should vote Wu.

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I said i dont believe rhe claim and that i would let night actions resolve the pair of slots

And i can have reads on both slots based on play independant of the claim

You’re more than welcome to do that
But by almost every measure that’s wrong
So you won’t be listened to.

Hell I know you’re wrong but if you seriously believe this and are town it’s best to do as your night actions say and leave me alone and sort elsewhere other than this shade

Otherwise no one will take you seriously.

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in some ways I don't really like people agreeing with that post tbh

Right? I thought it was a humorous tidbit mostly.

Maybe I’m just as bad for agreeing with this post though!

MathBlade why is fua town?

I like how they’ve responded to my replace in and posts and just answer questions cooperatively. The VC doesn’t seem to imply them scum which with a game this broad is good enough for me.

I really think Wu is scum based on Wu’s responses. Their posts don’t seem right to me combined with the VCs don’t sit right

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I still have to read up but I’m feeling like voting for fua?

Okay I’m literally confused by Wu’s post

What I mean is that I also think it's strange that MathBlade breadcrumbed mason and then quickly claimed.
Maybe he changed his thought process quickly, but that's sorta hard to believe.

Oh no! I made a decision based on me and my mason partner being wagoned meaning scum were in control of the game. I must be scum /s

It’s posts like this that make Wu scum.

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I still have to read up but I’m feeling like voting for fua?

Okay I’m literally confused by Wu’s post

What I mean is that I also think it's strange that MathBlade breadcrumbed mason and then quickly claimed.
Maybe he changed his thought process quickly, but that's sorta hard to believe.

Oh no! I made a decision based on me and my mason partner being wagoned meaning scum were in control of the game. I must be scum /s

It’s posts like this that make Wu scum.

Wait but then why did you breadcrumb mason like 25 minutes before you claimed?

I immediately crumbed on replacing in. What do you expect timetravel?

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Am I playing with the right sibling? Not too terribly long ago I played with Titus and she did a similar thing came in and said one of the leading wagons were scum. They were both town.

It’s possible that boat wagons are town but not likely.

Datisi/Wu were too wagons
Then became HEM and myself

Scum would have no reason to move wagons so the wagons getting to that state implies one or more are scum.

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Catching up with the building bricks as there’s been a lot of posts.

When I was working on my local env special fields could disappear if someone messed up posts.

Gonna start reading backwards to try to avoid hyperposting. Anything in particular I should look at?

Building bricks…

Literally mason lmao

Yes. It’s standard to crumb mason and your partner in first few posts as I said earlier

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It’s possible that boat wagons are town but not likely.

p sure boat wagons are town

Both* lmao

My phone really likes switching words and I have no idea why.

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It’s possible that boat wagons are town but not likely.

p sure boat wagons are town

And in seriousness

I am pretty sure you’re wrong.

The only reason you say not to vote Wu is me which is bad.

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It’s not always “bricks” or “foundation”

Sometimes it’s early townreads or something both players do early

In general some crumb of some kind.

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my 1452 was straight-up a joke and had nothing to do with the game. But arguing that one of Dats/Wu has to be scum doesn't seem like a great argument, your sister was wrong as fuck when she used it and you're prob wrong too.

You’re not addressing the substance of why I think one of Datisi/Wu are scum though.

You’re referencing an irrelevant game

I don’t see why scum move from both Datisi/Wu onto HEM/me. Why?

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honestly? assuming the mason claim is real, monkeyvAri prob was a TvT and Fire is prob scum here.

Talk to me about this. I might be interested.

I think definitely we should elim in Datisi/Wu today probably to get a narrative hold on D1.

I think Datisi is a better elim on VCA but Wu also fits so cooperating

VOTE: Wu

If I had a vig I would shoot tene based on Datisi’s and fire’s early votes.

If you had a big, you would be better served reading the game before you start spitting bullets.

This is also true of your loud and aggressive takes on a game you have no context for.

I am reading the game.

I am also playing the game while reading.

Your votes seemed bad.

If Wu was town I would expect more scum to buddy me and less counter wagons attempting to be starting.

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I do not see what skitter has to gain as scum by drawing out their negative feelings about a claimed mason.

Not having to provide reads
Not having to vote Wu
There’s two things

[MathBlade]

So how do we reach scoring? A game of go ends when both players pass, agreeing that there is nothing more they can do. Then they look to see if they agree on which stones on the board are alive or would inevitably be captured, and if they disagree they start playing again until they agree, and pass again.

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humaneatingmonkey (6): Aristeia, VP Baltar, skitter30, Datisi, fireisredsir, Yeet

[E-4]

MathBlade (4): DeasVail, tenebrousluminary, Cape90, Nero Cain
GeneralWu (2): fua, Save The Dragons
Datisi (1): humaneatingmonkey
Cape90 (1): MathBlade
Yeet (1): Frogsterking

Not Voting (5): Scorpious, MalcolmTucker, Eyes without a face, GeneralWu

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to achieve an eliminaton.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-03-12 05:15:00).

click here for joined mod iso.

@tene

All players but two moved off of Datisi/Wu.

GeneralWu (4): Nero Cain, fua, VP Baltar, tenebrousluminary [E-6]
Datisi (3): skitter30, Yeet, humaneatingmonkey
tenebrousluminary (2): fireisredsir, Save The Dragons
humaneatingmonkey (2): Aristeia, Cape90

This was at one point but 7 players

It’s hard to demonstrate all this on mobile and I am about to go to bed.

Nero,fua,VP,you,skitter,Yeet >> They would need a reason to move off who they scumread onto HEM/me

Those became around time of my replace in

humaneatingmonkey (6): Aristeia, VP Baltar, skitter30, Datisi, fireisredsir, Yeet [E-4]
MathBlade (4): DeasVail, tenebrousluminary, Cape90, Nero Cain
GeneralWu (2): fua, Save The Dragons
Datisi (1): humaneatingmonkey


Nero naked voted me
VP joined HEM
Skitter joined HEM
Yeet joined HEM

This means scum likely joined HEM to avoid wagon
Skitter and Yeet on Datisi
VP if I have to guess is the bad townie


Fua never left
Std joined the Wu wagon +town points

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my 1452 was straight-up a joke and had nothing to do with the game. But arguing that one of Dats/Wu has to be scum doesn't seem like a great argument, your sister was wrong as fuck when she used it and you're prob wrong too.

You’re not addressing the substance of why I think one of Datisi/Wu are scum though.

You’re referencing an irrelevant game

I don’t see why scum move from both Datisi/Wu onto HEM/me. Why?

ok, looking at the progression of votes on those four players:

253 - datisi (4), monkey (3), wu (0), monkey (0)
475 - wu (4), datisi (3), monkey (2), nordom (0)
625 - datisi (5), monkey (3), wu (1), nordom (0)
904 - datisi (5), nordom (3), monkey (2), wu (1)
1050 - datisi (4), nordom (4), monkey (2), wu (1)
1175 - monkey (5), datisi (3), wu (2), nordom (1)
1254 - monkey (6), nordom (4), wu (2), datisi (1)

saying that there were clear leading wagons of datisi/wu and that scum moved things to you/monkey is not backed up at all by what happened. monkey wagon came before wu. wu wagon, by the VCs, was actually never very prominent. there was one point out of 7 VCs where datisi/wu were the two leading ones, but it's super arbitrary to pick out that one.

the shift of things onto wu lately is actually the most interesting thing here, imo

This argument reinforces Wu scum even more. This isn’t the shining bullet you think it is.

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HEM wagons feels p townie to me; is there someone on there you suspect MB?

Still reading but Skitter.

She was different when she accused me of a fake inno in the other game. She was relentless

Here she’s all “let the NKs sort it out”. It’s passive

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Assuming MathBlade is telling the truth, I think we have a good shot of catching scum among the people who were voting him and monkey. I just don't think wagons can get like this without scum interference.

Agreed. It points to you hard but maybe you can find an alternate narrative

I think you are scum as people are defending you by attacking me versus explaining why they TR you.

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why wouldn't she let NKs sort out a mason claim? ~.~ seems kind of common sense to me.

That’s what she says she’s going to do.

But instead she’s taking a kind of passive aggressive stance.

It’s different.

Did you read it?

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I think you are scum as people are defending you by attacking me versus explaining why they TR you.

You know, I think this might mean that some people defending me are scum.

The people defending you I suspect are scum as well
If you happen to push them and prove me wrong and flip scum win win
Or if you bus win win
Or we get info that’s not wasting time on conf town win win

[MathBlade]

And monkey was painted to be scummy but wasn’t

why not

Because he’s a mason he can’t be scum
Naturally scum say town are scummy
But there’s nothing scummy in the ISO

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why wouldn't she let NKs sort out a mason claim? ~.~ seems kind of common sense to me.

That’s what she says she’s going to do.

But instead she’s taking a kind of passive aggressive stance.

It’s different.

Did you read it?

Further elaborating
This passive shade gives her an out

“Oh Math died and was town…guess I gotta reset. He shouldn’t be so scummy”
“I don’t trust Math so I won’t vote Wu”

This is what it gains Skitter

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This argument reinforces Wu scum even more. This isn’t the shining bullet you think it is.

how so? serious question, I'm curious for your reasoning. i don't think it's a shining bullet (? lol), i have no horse in this race, im just trying to show you why your interpretation of events is not necessarily the reality, and that therefore the assumptions your making based off of your interpretation are kinda useless to the rest of us

Datisi top wagon becomes
Wu top wagon
Back to Datisi followed with a rapid departure from Wu
Nordom (me) is being counter wagoned

Wu was abandoned hard

There needs to be a catalyst why.

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Math your perception of the gamestate is skewed, and at least 4 different people are telling you that

If you're implying 'm passively shading you because i'm buddies with wu and trying to divert that wagon, that predicates wu is scum and that's still not something i'm particularly sold on

And I think most are scum trying to save Wu.

I am working with Ari answering questions

But I KNOW a majority of the game was skewed to wagon both masons

Baseless crap like this doesn’t help me get where you are if that’s what you want.

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why wouldn't she let NKs sort out a mason claim? ~.~ seems kind of common sense to me.

That’s what she says she’s going to do.

But instead she’s taking a kind of passive aggressive stance.

It’s different.

Did you read it?

yes, I don't understand what you find scummy about it?

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88600&user_select%5B%5D=29653

This is town her ISO.
She gets “pings” and uses that terminology a lot

viewtopic.php?p=13233396#p13233396

This post specifically she’s aggressive when I call her out

Now she’s all “whatever, NKs can sort it out” but trying to back door shade/scum

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why can't the explanation simply be that HEM was p scummy and got votes because he was playing somewhat scummy?

you know just because someone has a town role PM doesn't mean it's impossible for them to play in a way that is scummy right?

He didn’t though.
I disagree with that assertion seeing the mason Pt and some of his posts
HEM just wasnt

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This argument reinforces Wu scum even more. This isn’t the shining bullet you think it is.

how so? serious question, I'm curious for your reasoning. i don't think it's a shining bullet (? lol), i have no horse in this race, im just trying to show you why your interpretation of events is not necessarily the reality, and that therefore the assumptions your making based off of your interpretation are kinda useless to the rest of us

Datisi top wagon becomes
Wu top wagon
Back to Datisi followed with a rapid departure from Wu
Nordom (me) is being counter wagoned

Wu was abandoned hard

There needs to be a catalyst why.

i mean one possible catalyst is that nordom looked scummy? maybe I'm just too biased here bc I know that I'm town and I scumread both nordom and monkey, so i don't see why it has to be scum that led those wagons. but anyway, ignoring that, you think it's impossible that all 4 are town? why? why can't it just be natural evolution of town thought? why does everything day 1 have to be orchestrated and planned by scum? you've played enough games to know that there often isn't some grand plan for scum, especially on day 1 when everything is chaos and the lim is almost never gonna be maf, they just will want to blend in

Nordom was being mean not scummy though.
Scum were poisoning the thread HEM and Monkey were scummy.
The only reason to alter the gamestate is if they don’t like where it is.

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Baseless crap like this doesn’t help me get where you are if that’s what you want.

Ok and bickering with me abt this isnt going to make me do what you want either

It’s why I said I am ignoring you.

That post was made to reach you and others

I have been told I have skewed beliefs without checking the splinter in your eyes

The game wagoned two masons.

That’s scum motivated or encouraged

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why can't the explanation simply be that HEM was p scummy and got votes because he was playing somewhat scummy?

you know just because someone has a town role PM doesn't mean it's impossible for them to play in a way that is scummy right?

He didn’t though.
I disagree with that assertion seeing the mason Pt and some of his posts
HEM just wasnt

what makes you (someone coming in with prior info about his alignment, therefore making you completely unable to honestly gauge how suspicious he looks) the arbiter of what is scummy and what is not? you can't just declare that someone wasn't scummy when there was, by definition, town voting for them

Because there was a wagon of 6 on monkey and a wagon of 4 on me.
These all can’t be town
Therefore scum
Therefore point proven

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There needs to be a catalyst why.

A catalyst lowers the activation energy of a reaction so that the reaction can proceed faster. For example, enzymes are biological catalysts. Carbonic anhydrase is an enzyme that catalyzes the reaction H2O + CO2 -> H2CO3. It works by using zinc to stabilize the transition state of the reaction. What sort of catalyst do you think is in this game?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/catalyst

Second definition Wu.

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a claimed inno from an investigative role is not the same thing as a mason claim tho

Yeah, but then why would we use an investigative role on one of the claimed masons?

In a prior game there was a claimed inno on me Skitter was against incorrectly
Here she is against me again on my masons claim
Her tone is different.

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i can't believe that you seriously can't comprehend the possibility that you knowing two alignments is affecting your ability to accurately assess whether those slots look scummy to an outside perspective or not. is everyone who votes town either scum or blind to you? you know that happens, like, all the time. right?

They are scum or incorrect town.

If they’re scum they’re doing it maliciously
If they’re town their gamestate is skewed

So since they’re skewed they aren’t assessing properly.

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a claimed inno from an investigative role is not the same thing as a mason claim tho

Yeah, but then why would we use an investigative role on one of the claimed masons?

Wait also:
Scum could pretend to be an investigative role to "clear" fake mason claims, but I feel that'd be to big of a risk.

That’d probably get them policy elimmed.

[MathBlade]

Have a good weekend! I think you’re scum but still want you to have a nice weekend

[MathBlade]

I am going to have a busy day at work so might as well call it for more reading.

But yeah we need to focus on those wagoning monkey and me
If you disagree on Wu focus there

[MathBlade]

Does anyone disagree with that summary?

i do love the just complete lack of self-awareness to say this, then have like, 8 people disagree with the summary, and then just decide to stick with it anyway. it's kinda admirable in a way. i hope to someday be that blindly confident in myself

I mean you said you disagreed
But then linked a VC where Datisi and Wu were primary wagons
Then just Datisi and others

I mean you said disagreed then proved my point?

Like that’s what I don’t get.

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the idea that two people were wagoned and then the wagons moved elsewhere is 100% evidence that there is scum in the first two names because why else would one of the first wagons in the game not go through!?!?! is like, wrong on so many fronts

i don't feel like arguing with math too much considering i just got out of a game where i was arguing a lot with him and he was "conftown" and it made the game much more complicated than it needed to be, but

i will definitely still call him out and not let him blindly push the game

The sheer numbers make it so. 10/19 players on me and Monkey.

Scum are on me and Monkey.
They didn’t push you/Wu hard
So yes scum is likely in the pair of you
Otherwise no need to invent a push on my predecessor who was annoying not scum
HEM was/is inactive and new not scummy

[MathBlade]

Good night Datisi
And rip I thought you were someone else Ari

I am bad at guessing alts.

If you were a snake you’d bite me

[MathBlade]

Like there’s no assumptions?
It just requires scum act in their own interest?

Let’s not do this
Agreed good night

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if Datisi/Wu/HEM/Nor are all town it could just mean town are moving from one wagon to another while scum are twiddling their thumbs no?

It would also require scum moving from one wagon to another aimlessly.

That part is the part I have trouble with
I can see town doing it
I don’t see scum doing it

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I can see town doing it
I don’t see scum doing it

???????

why would scum *not* do it?

Because it would hurt them to do so later.

[MathBlade]

it seems like you expect both town and maf to play perfectly, according to your own model of what you believe to be perfect play. guess what, nobody does that! and also your model is wrong!

Perfectly no.
I do expect some sort of strategy/manipulation from scum though.

So aimlessly floating isn’t really a strategy
If scum were doing this they’d be open to sheeping wrong me and Wu would have sped up rather than resistance
Scum have a plan somewhere and don’t like they’ve lost control

[MathBlade]

I feel like no one wants to look at where they were wrong: eg HEM and Me
And that “but it’s justified” gives them an out either not to look where they were wrong or keep their reads.

[MathBlade]

it seems like you expect both town and maf to play perfectly, according to your own model of what you believe to be perfect play. guess what, nobody does that! and also your model is wrong!

Perfectly no.
I do expect some sort of strategy/manipulation from scum though.

So aimlessly floating isn’t really a strategy
If scum were doing this they’d be open to sheeping wrong me and Wu would have sped up rather than resistance
Scum have a plan somewhere and don’t like they’ve lost control

i will let you in on a secret

a super secret maf agenda that 99% of people who play maf follow

this is their main priority and what motivates almost all of their actions

Spoiler: secret maf agenda

try to look like town

and guess what doesn't mesh well with that agenda? manipulation and orchestration and strategy! really really good scum can do both at the same time, but i hate to break it to you, most people are not that good at scum, and are too busy treading water trying to not get suspected to worry about your grand ideas of strategy and organizing moves off wagons and all that.

That’s bad scum play imho
The Mafiascum wiki (authored by Mastina) says that’s bad play
I am not sure where you got that impression but scum aren’t town and do better not forcing things.

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@ everyone

is cape town

Yes.
I thought scum at first but they got better

[MathBlade]

unfortunately, i'm really just actually busy with my life and i still took this game anyway. i'm kinda lost atm, and i don't know what happened to merit MathBlade claiming on behalf of us. Was I at L-1?
Anyway, consider me Math' extravote.

I didn’t want to wait that long and wasn’t sure if you had just flaked due to my predecessor’s mean things said.
So I took a calculated risk as I said in the PT

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It’s almost midnight Monkey
I left thoughts in the PT but gotta crash

You’ve read more than me so if you disagree
Vote whoever and I will sheep you.

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VOTE: ari
this doesn't seem town to me and i would like to know why that's the popular consensus.

VOTE: Ari

Bahhhhh I have work and monkey is a double voter while I am gone.

I wasn’t impressed by Ari’s posts when talking about Skitter so I am okay with this push.

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She’s way more defensive than offensive than I care for.

Plus Ari is known for good reads and hers have been bad.

Like Ari was saying the HEM wagon feels Townie
But yet she isn’t been offensive on the people on my wagon.

She seems off.

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Yeah, but the difference is that I’m not jumping on whatever the most popular wagon is just because it was in style to do so. I don’t see how SRing Ari, Deas. and Fire are lukewarm takes at all considering others look at them as consensus town and I’m interested in what your definition of lukewarm actually is. Who are your scumreads besides me? At the moment it just feels like OMGUS and nothing else. Even Skitter is voting me because my takes are the opposite of hers, so these are some strange double standards.

Plus the defense of Skitter was just “I’m wrong” and that’s it?

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So how do we reach scoring? A game of go ends when both players pass, agreeing that there is nothing more they can do. Then they look to see if they agree on which stones on the board are alive or would inevitably be captured, and if they disagree they start playing again until they agree, and pass again.

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humaneatingmonkey (6): Aristeia, VP Baltar, skitter30, Datisi, fireisredsir, Yeet

[E-4]

MathBlade (4): DeasVail, tenebrousluminary, Cape90, Nero Cain
GeneralWu (2): fua, Save The Dragons
Datisi (1): humaneatingmonkey
Cape90 (1): MathBlade
Yeet (1): Frogsterking

Not Voting (5): Scorpious, MalcolmTucker, Eyes without a face, GeneralWu

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to achieve an eliminaton.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-03-12 05:15:00).

click here for joined mod iso.

It’s a pretty outlandish claim all of herself, VP, Skitter, Datisi, fire, and Yeet are all town.
It’s even more outlandish DV, tene, Cape, and Nero are all town.

I want Ari to push someone rather than just say pushes are bad.

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It’s a pretty outlandish claim all of herself, VP, Skitter, Datisi, fire, and Yeet are all town.

Math town reading these slots all but assures that there's scum in these slots

I literally don’t. I was pushing Skitter last night.
I don’t townread Datisi and think there is atleast a scum in Datisi/Wu
Fire is in my PoE I mentioned

VP is a townlean at best.

Yeet I haven’t seen enough of to make a read

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It’s a pretty outlandish claim all of herself, VP, Skitter, Datisi, fire, and Yeet are all town.
It’s even more outlandish DV, tene, Cape, and Nero are all town.

how is the second *more* outlandish? you think it's more likely there was scum on you than on monkey?

It’s more outlandish to assume 10 players are all town versus 6.

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ackvhually it would be assuming 9 not 10

but also i thought it was assuming 4 vs 5 as opposed to 9 vs 5 so don't mind me

From her POV yeah

Mainly I think even if she thinks my narrative is wrong she needs to find a scum in those wagons or try to sell that 10 town (9 other than herself case).

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math, how much on your read of me is based on vca vs actually reading the game? because this is a bit frustrating

Bit of both.
Some of the mason PT lead me that way
Some of my initial reads.

Like Skitter hasn’t had a “ping” she gets pings. It’s weird.

The relationship dynamics between you and Ari are off
Not enough flirting.

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Like Skitter hasn’t had a “ping” she gets pings. It’s weird.

what does this mean?

and like, the rest of your post could be easily explained by different circumstances that precedent, especially for what i imagine happened in the mason pt, but

idk if i have it in me rn to argue

It’s a word tell.

Skitter gets “pings” when town.
I don’t see that here for her

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math, how much on your read of me is based on vca vs actually reading the game? because this is a bit frustrating

Bit of both.
Some of the mason PT lead me that way
Some of my initial reads.

Like Skitter hasn’t had a “ping” she gets pings. It’s weird.

The relationship dynamics between you and Ari are off
Not enough flirting.

monkey is voting me for flirting with datisi

you are voting me for not flirting with datisi enough

perhaps the two of you should figure out a narrative that makes sense in your mason pt and not waste my time with nonsense ok?

Perhaps you should give reads.

We both agree the flirting is sus for different reasons

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probably try this

VOTE: scorp

Any reason why you’re avoiding both the HEM wagon and my wagon to pick from?

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I am surprised by the speed with which everyone seems to be turning on Ari.

It’s rather slow.
Wu and Ari both have resistance

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probably try this

VOTE: scorp

Any reason why you’re avoiding both the HEM wagon and my wagon to pick from?

because I don't use vca before any flips happen.

I am not asking for your reasoning to be based on VCA.
You believe the mason claim (as you should as it’s the truth).
Therefore there is likely scum on the wagons.

That’s it. That’s not analyzing votes.
That’s just who is scum on those wagons?

The reasoning doesn’t have to relate to the vote on HEM or me at all

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you know who has a lot of resistance? skitter

You know who Ari doesn’t want? Skitter

Join me and Monkey on Ari

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How many scum do you think are in those 10 players?

I think it forms a good PoE to elim within today.

Not sure. Why does what I think matter if you think my reads are bad?

Why don’t you have an opinion on who could be scum in > half the game?

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How many scum do you think are in those 10 players?

I think it forms a good PoE to elim within today.

Not sure. Why does what I think matter if you think my reads are bad?

Why don’t you have an opinion on who could be scum in > half the game?

what reads are you even talking about?

you said you want to elim on wagon i said ok who do you scumread on the wagon and you haven't actually produced a scumread for us to discuss ?

I do want to elim on either HEM wagon or my wagon.

I have a broad area and see who people want to push.

You should have a scumread in that PoE.

My vote is on you right now. So if you insist on an answer you but it’s really you that should provide reads.

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How many scum do you think are in those 10 players?

I think it forms a good PoE to elim within today.

Not sure. Why does what I think matter if you think my reads are bad?

Why don’t you have an opinion on who could be scum in > half the game?

what reads are you even talking about?

you said you want to elim on wagon i said ok who do you scumread on the wagon and you haven't actually produced a scumread for us to discuss ?

I do want to elim on either HEM wagon or my wagon.

I have a broad area and see who people want to push.

You should have a scumread in that PoE.

My vote is on you right now. So if you insist on an answer you but it’s really you that should provide reads.

If you have a scumread I will discuss it with you.

If you are going to claim 1 scum in 10 means we should elim in the 10, um just by math that's wrong?

I am not claiming a number

I am claiming there’s likely a decent number.

If I have to guess 3? But I don’t like guessing.

A good chunk. Definitely worthy of focus.

I clearly don’t believe 1 in 10

Who do you scumread in those 10 players?

Do a read list like Nero said please

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Do a read list like Nero said please

Nero always says this, and it more often produces a list that seems forced, becasue the person being given the assignment wasnt really prepared to do so anyway.

Then she needs to push a scumread in that 10.

Or acknowledge her reads are wrong and doing a reset and showing effort of it.

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I'm around here rn:

order doesn't really matter.

Town:

MalcolmTucker
Datisi
mathblade
monkey
skitter30
fireisredsir
Nero Cain
VP Baltar
Aristeia
Cape90
Yeet

null
Save The Dragons
Frogsterking
fua
tenebrousluminary

scummy
Scorpious
DeasVail
Eyes without a face
GeneralWu

I can't remeber a time where i've ever been on top of one of these lists,, not the point.

But here is a lazy unisnpired list that we get becasue one was asked for, helps.. nothing..

Oh no. It helps loads. It shows she doesn’t want to push in that group of 10 whatever her alignment.

If she’s town she’s not even putting effort into reads this game which was long before my replace in.

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Lets start scoring the game I shared a picture of previously. First we remove captures. The stones I have marked are ones that would be captured. How we deal with them will differ based on if we use area or territory counting...

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Official Votecount 1.11

GeneralWu (4): fua, Save The Dragons, VP Baltar, MathBlade

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Datisi (1): humaneatingmonkey
fua (1): skitter30
Eyes without a face (1): Cape90
VP Baltar (1): Nero Cain
tenebrousluminary (1): fireisredsir
humaneatingmonkey (1): Yeet
Yeet (1): Frogsterking

Not Voting (8): Scorpious, DeasVail, MalcolmTucker, Datisi, Eyes without a face, Aristeia, tenebrousluminary, GeneralWu

With 19 players alive, it takes 10 votes to achieve an eliminaton.

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2022-03-12 05:15:00).

click here for joined mod iso.

I am going to be low access for until the 13th. I am still going to be checking multiple times a day but mod actions and vote counts will be when I am free and not waiting to hit the top of a page or whatever. the worst will be handling more of the the votes overnight, unless I decide to try phone posting.

Ari is scum lmao
Wu is a scumread yet never joins the wagon c’mon

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i'm saying there's much easier avenues to take as scum if your objective is to, you know, not die, as opposed as town who just wants to push what they believe in

so what about now that she seemed to have been making one all along

i don't think it took her 20 minutes to make that

point still stands that math/nero are like "who are you scumreading in the group of 10" and she is outright refusing to actually talk about it or push anyone there

scum does that because...?

She thinks she is gonna die and doesn’t wanna give anything away

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She thinks she is gonna die and doesn’t wanna give anything away

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Pooky (if we assume Pooky is scum here)
Did the exact same I won’t share reads in the game LLD pressured her

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I find you unpleasant to play with because you can be quite loud, confident, and comically wrong as town and it's a pain to deal with.

I find you unpleasant to avoid answering simple questions
You instead try to get me to answer them
You keep trying different manipulation

Other than answering simple questions
Then blame me when I am just asking for simple things

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This is the Pooky game btw.

If Pooky isn’t you then I don’t see why you quoted the Pooky post
You don’t give reads at points as scum

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PSA: If a pure wagon is what you're looking for then please take notice of my Yeet wagon. Thank you.

You that opposed to the wu yeet?

It’s actually an Ari yeet now. Wu is an acceptable backup.
Monkey really wanted Ari and I am supporting monkey as I find it plausible

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thoughts on Dats trying to push me as an Ari CW?

Depends on Ari’s alignment and how the push works and who hood on it.

In other words math brain exe is on work tasks

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Is on it c’mon phone*

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so why does scum!her do that?

so u chainsaw defend her

"hey ari, i see you're under pressure... can you act scummy and contrarian so that you get more attention your way, and then i'm gonna drop in and say how it doesn't make sense for scum!you to act like that! i am guaranteed to manage to change everyone's mind and it doesn't tie us together at all!"

yep, checks out

It’s more like
“Hey Ari you’re under pressure can you destroy this wagon?”
“Sure I will paint Math as someone unworthy of being listened to”

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math, over half the game has already painted you like that...

You get my point then.
She attacked me, locktown as an escape route versus giving a read or being useful

The above is a sample of what could have been the answer
Versus what you are presenting

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as an escape route. that landed her into more pressure.

Yeah. Just because she thought it would work doesn’t mean it would.

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she voted Scorp for ???? reason. You attacking me for voting Ari has shit all to do with her.

Yeah I have to say I think Nero is probably town this game

I agree. Nero is probably town.

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Why can't Ari just be like ya know, scum that ploped down a vote on a somewhat EZ to wagon player in an attempt to save herself b/c you know he's EZ?

You're pulling me around to the idea

frogs, please use your fucking brain

ari sees she's getting pressure for "not having reads" and "not voting on the math/monkey wagons"

so her response is to lolvote a lurker and make no attempt to actually address the things that are being asked of her and that she's suspected for??? that doesn't make sense unless coming from the noobiest of scums

and she isn't that

This point has been refuted several times.
If you townread Ari please try a new angle.

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This point has been refuted several times.

it hasn't been refuted well

So then you’re doing the same thing I am doing?
And calling me bad for it?

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mathblade when someone disagrees with your opinion they aren't calling you bad.

they just have a different opinion.

I agree.

However, Datisi said I am being loud and repetitive.
Datisi is being loud and repetitive.

It’s literally the same thing
So either A> He needs to realize this is at times acceptable
Or B> Needs to alter his playstyle and try a new approach.

I don’t like rules for thee and not for me

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mathblade why do you even think I am mafia?

I have already stated why.

Monkey made a good case in the PT.
I find it compelling and would rather he explain it than I.
I also find you unwilling to vote or push where scum likely are scum indicative.

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mathblade why do you even think I am mafia?

I have already stated why.

Monkey made a good case in the PT.
I find it compelling and would rather he explain it than I.
I also find you unwilling to vote or push where scum likely are scum indicative.

except you literally saw me do this as town in the last game we played together so uh why is it scum indicative?

you know we play the game and hunt for scum differently.

Because in this game you’re doing that and defending people performing scum tells
And the instant I came in it’s negativity.

I have to fight to fucking breathe
Then I get yelled at for breathing

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I have a feeling if I pushed anyone you’d be doing the exact same thing

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That too but that wasn’t the main reason I scumread her

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pedit: fireisredsir should be my lawyer for everything this game

as long as im a lawyer and not a mediator. mediators are bad, I've heard

You should hydra with Titus.
Then it’d be some hydra called Sue Me.

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VOTE: ari
this doesn't seem town to me and i would like to know why that's the popular consensus.

VOTE: Ari

Bahhhhh I have work and monkey is a double voter while I am gone.

I wasn’t impressed by Ari’s posts when talking about Skitter so I am okay with this push.

No I voted you before that.

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Stop making this about me Ari and push someone else as scum.

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i mean i think 1855 is a fine line of reasoning. i don't think scorpio is a very good vote but i think the general philosophy is decent

It’s actually bad because it misreps my point

It’s either HEM or my wagon.

Either one

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or maybe it is just a fire/ari/skitter/VP teams but too simple so prob wrong

I don’t think VP is scum.

I think Datisi or Wu is missing there but Ari and Skitter is def a weird dynamic.

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VP as scum doesn’t come in talking about Wu wagon if buddies with Ari. I don’t buy that.

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What is the case on Ari? I'm going to give up on reading pages of spam shitting from a bunch of people.

Monkey’s case in the mason PT. (Which he can do)
Saying that the HEM and my wagon are all town and refusing to make a reads list
When she put one up it was zero effort “not in order” and it had Wu as scum yet she never voted Wu and was attacking me
Her defense of Skitter when she’s likely in scum meta range for no “pings” as just “I townread her”
Her refusal to push anyone and instead is more begging me to stop pushing her.

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Oh and the low hanging scorpion vote

I can’t speak to prior early game where Monkey has his read from

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Like Ari’s entire point was “What if you’re wrong about Datisi/Wu having a scum” then having Wu in her scumreads feels very disingenuous

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if Datisi/Wu/HEM/Nor are all town it could just mean town are moving from one wagon to another while scum are twiddling their thumbs no?

Yet she scumreads Wu?
C’mon now

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What is the case on Ari? I'm going to give up on reading pages of spam shitting from a bunch of people.

she refused to do what math told her to (push someone that was on the math/monkey wagon) and she voted scorp

I sort of figured this was Math being loud.

I'm utterly confused how people can look at the Wu wagon falling apart a second time and not see that as scummy. By all accounts, Wu should be LHF that scum are eager to hammer through, yet it has stalled repeatedly at the cusp of being serious -- even though Nero and others were flipping a shit earlier today about how scummy Wu is and how much they wanted him dead if it were not for people defending Wu. If at any point you said Wu is scum...WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU NOT VOTING WU.

Math is getting taken for a ride again because he is loud and refuses to listen to anything but his own theories about the game. Math, I'm trying to work with you here. We will get a lot of information out of this Wu flip. Please work with me.

I saw Math say somethin about HEM making some kind of convincing case about Ari in their PT....If it's good, then fucking post it. If it is anything like the arguments HEM was making earlier in the game, I am skeptical.

This game has quickly become a clown show of terrible play and it is annoying me.

I have been trying to work with people.
Being loud is not the same as uncooperative.
I am working with Nero and Fua who I townread.
I agree a Wu flip is info and why if Ari falls apart I want Wu.

However human being a newer less active player deserves the chance to explain their read and play.
People were skeptical because scum run good defense.

I think Ari not voting Wu if she flips red gives definite ammo towards a Wu flip.

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Furthermore VP before I posted the game was wagoning two masons
It was terrible play before I even posted.

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Hey Math can you elaborate on what you discovered during the VCA you did on replace in?

I have to work now lunch break is over. I came in and the VCs were both on me and Monkey. This doesn’t “just happen” that two masons are wagoned. Means scum likely knew who we were already.

Means scum deviated intentionally to us means scum on the wagons.
Players deviated from Datisi and Wu to me and HEM
(Before Fite complains there’s some intermediary steps which fire highlights)

But the gist is to find that why.

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Means scum likely knew who we were already.

is it just me or is like, purposefully wagoning someone you know is a mason a HORRIBLE scum strategy? >_>

It’s a good one I have seen successful.
It forces a second mason claim.

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Furthermore VP before I posted the game was wagoning two masons
It was terrible play before I even posted.

Actually, I was pushing for Wu or HEM flip, and that's where the day was heading, not toward both the masons getting wagoned. You just didn't read the game before you claimed.

I'm not even mad at you for claiming. Whatever. Not how I would have played it, but I get where you're coming from. It's the same logic as our last game when I cleared A50.

But listen, you spamming the thread to make the same points again and again is not helpful. You only need to say it once. The beauty of forum mafia is that your words are immortalized forever and people can refer back to them.

When I say loud, I mean you spam the thread and say the same things repeatedly and insist you're right even if lots of other people disagree. It's exhausting and makes catching up impossible for people.

I'm trying to work with you. if you have an actual Ari case, post that shit.

The only people disagreeing are in my scum PoE and you.

There’s a wagon on Ari for a reason
Stop focusing on me if you’re town.

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This doesn’t “just happen” that two masons are wagoned. Means scum likely knew who we were already.

There is paranoia, and then there is this. Math, how is that even possible? You are going too far with your line of logic about the votes against you and monkey.

How is what even possible?

10/19 players on me and Monkey
Means scum on me and Monkey

That’s all facts.

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There’s a wagon on Ari for a reason
Stop focusing on me if you’re town.

WHAT IS THE REASON FOR THE ARI WAGON?????????

Like I asked for this case more than once, and "she argued with Hem and doesn't vote WU" is not a fucking case. So ELI5


And I'm talking to you because you're 50% of the posts in a LARGE GAME since you entered. If you would chill the fuck out and stop trying to big dick energy the whole game, we could land somewhere good today. There have been 12+ pages added since I got up 5 hours ago, and you can't tell me that is quality work happening in those pages because I read half of them before I had to come here to the future and plead with you to have some sense.

I already explained it like you’re 5.

I can’t shut up while you talk to me it’s a vicious cycle.

You deliberately ignored 3-4 other reasons and just that.
Ari being inconsistent with scumreads ignored
Ari defending scum tells ignored
And it’s quality work from scum trying to avoid elimming Ari.

And please stop using genitalia in a game.

If people would stop misrepping me and actually listen this wouldn’t be happening
But scum don’t want Ari elimmed

And if I shut up people won’t vote Ari

So it’s lose lose if I shut up

So my only hope is to try to keep explaining and hope people quit ignoring it

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This doesn’t “just happen” that two masons are wagoned. Means scum likely knew who we were already.

There is paranoia, and then there is this. Math, how is that even possible? You are going too far with your line of logic about the votes against you and monkey.

How is what even possible?

10/19 players on me and Monkey
Means scum on me and Monkey

That’s all facts.

I am talking about your assertion that scum knew you were masons already. That does not make sense. Even if they were voting you, they got lucky.

Okay then move on?

Scum are on my wagons
Ari refuses to hunt on those wagons
And instead the scum try to take who I am working with away in fua and Nero

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This doesn’t “just happen” that two masons are wagoned. Means scum likely knew who we were already.

There is paranoia, and then there is this. Math, how is that even possible? You are going too far with your line of logic about the votes against you and monkey.

How is what even possible?

10/19 players on me and Monkey
Means scum on me and Monkey

That’s all facts.

I am talking about your assertion that scum knew you were masons already. That does not make sense. Even if they were voting you, they got lucky.

Okay then move on?

Scum are on my wagons
Ari refuses to hunt on those wagons
And instead the scum try to take who I am working with away in fua and Nero

I do not understand why you are upset with me for trying to help you correct a misstep in your thinking.

Not everyone in the game is scum. Some of us have honest opinions. The whole game is not about you and undermining you specifically.

I am just angry in general
Anytime I try to cooperate
The people who I disagree with say I am uncooperative and it is always a shit show
Every time I try something new it’s the same fucking result

People ask me to make theories I can’t know
Rather than stick with the facts scum are on both masons
And instead come up with quite frankly ridiculous reasons to vote who I am cooperative with.

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if im scum i just cooperate with you because you will help me push lots of townies dead for ???reasons

You’re assuming there’s an implicit bias I am wrong in that Ari. That’s what I hate about it.

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What would scum do if I am right Ari?

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like the last game we played together

iv/andres spent the entire game "cooperating" with you

And it was a lot more enjoyable because you didn’t want to elim on wagon where Andres was. Instead of constantly saying I am bad or uncooperative or skewed or mistaken maybe acting like some reads have a point make sense

If you’re town you scumread Wu
I scumread Wu.

You could work with me
Instead your open is “what if math is wrong?”

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What would scum do if I am right Ari?

I am town so I know you are wrong

I was pushing Wu not you at first

What does a scum Wu team do?

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i mean you still seem to be basing all your assumptions on your guess that scum knew who both masons were and intentionally wagoned them, which is ridiculous, so idk why anyone wouldn't think you're wrong

I am not.
That is one theory of several

I hate this misrep.
It is happening repeatedly

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What would scum do if I am right Ari?

I am town so I know you are wrong

I was pushing Wu not you at first

What does a scum Wu team do?

Either ignore you or bus if theres traction probably.

Do you scumread Wu?

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Like fire and tene make sense because they at least summarize what I am saying
But the rest is just “out of context” and “weird” and “skewed”.

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The more misrep that happens the scummier it is.
The more convinced I am Ari is scum.

Pretty straight forward.

Okay when did your scumread of Wu start?

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Ari, you want to join me on the Wu wagon?

Math, you officially have the most posts in the game. Let that sink in.

So? I tried not hyperposting and it was anti town.
So if I am anti town no matter what I do best I try.

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he fits more into the scummy by not doing anything bucket, i feel better about fuas chances of flipping scum than wu but I wouldn't be opposed to voting for wu.

When did this “fits more into” happen? What made you think that?

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Ari, you want to join me on the Wu wagon?

Math, you officially have the most posts in the game. Let that sink in.

So? I tried not hyperposting and it was anti town.
So if I am anti town no matter what I do best I try.

Who called you antitowm for not spamming the thread?

Asking me a ton of questions with misrep necessitates a response else it sinks into the consciousness of the game
And you end up wagoning town

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The more misrep that happens the scummier it is.
The more convinced I am Ari is scum.

Pretty straight forward.

Okay when did your scumread of Wu start?

how am i misrepping you?

Can’t quote that on mobile will do so later

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Dueling Wu and Fua wagons isn't terrible.

Pedit - Math, I think the biggest issue is that you seem to have to have the last word on literally every conversation. If you're a mason, you don't need to do that. No one is going to yeet you. And if they try, I'll rip their head off. Just chill a little bit.

I’d prefer Ari/Wu/Fua

Monkey really thinks Ari is scum and I don’t want that lost.

And if people don’t misrep me I am fine with shutting up.

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scummy
Scorpious
DeasVail
Eyes without a face
GeneralWu

like here's Mith's gift to mafia pushing 3 lurkers and some rando as scum

Pooky is a certainly a strong player but no one is infallible. I also feel that most of the active players are more likely to be town in this game.

How does this jive with wagoning both masons? I don’t think this is correct pre or post me being here

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Im not sure what you’re saying here Math. Oh and you can be town too.

Nero, I don’t. They were two independent points against your accusation.

How does a game with a majority of the players being good town (like Pooky and others) get the game so badly they wagon two masons instead of scum?

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Im not sure what you’re saying here Math. Oh and you can be town too.

Nero, I don’t. They were two independent points against your accusation.

How does a game with a majority of the players being good town (like Pooky and others) get the game so badly they wagon two masons instead of scum?

Because they can be wrong too…?

What’s more likely? An entire group of Mith level (to borrow someone else’s words) collectively as a group (not singing out Ari) flub the game badly then when confronted go “no you”
Or
Scum are on the wagons?

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I claim PR. You can all now feel free to get off of me.

Fire or Skitter should probably die today. I wouldn’t be opposed to Wu, but it feels like a waste right now.

What about Ari?

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I'm also in a 4p hood with VP, Cape, and Skitter. I doubt its all 4 town and im town and cape is prob town. It's why I've been pushing that at least 1 of them is scum but I don't think it's impossible that both VP and Skitter are scum.

I'd like to see a dead Skitter or Ari's rep the most. Maybe Fua is scum that was buddying me. Don't really care that much about Wu staying alive.

How did I see this coming!

Can confirm, we are in a neighborhood. Nero has been poking around revealing to the thread for awhile now, and he is either dumbass town or scum trying to get ahead of the ball here.

Not much has happened in the hood. There was one weird interaction before the game started where skitter did some shading of Cape that I didn't care for, but Nero's play in game has been much scummier and I think he's very jittery for being town.

If I had to guess, the scum in the neighborhood is between Nero and skitter, but I'm not at all certain.

Oh wait Ari repped out.

Votes on her are useless.

Skitter or Wu I guess

I wish we would have just flipped Ari though

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VOTE: Wu

I hate this though I scumread Skitter
But Wu I think is better for the game as a whole

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a vig claim is totally not something a mafia would say...

Uh in this case yes.

Two kills or fua dies?

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What do you think of Skitter Wu?

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Also Nero, why do you think there has to be scum in the neighborhood?
I sorta have the same feeling, but it could just be 4 townies too, right?

6 townies in hoods is wild.

Agreed
VOTE: Skitter

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VOTE: skitter That is an unfortunate development.

What is unfortunate?

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Sounds good.

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It’s a pretty outlandish claim all of herself, VP, Skitter, Datisi, fire, and Yeet are all town.
It’s even more outlandish DV, tene, Cape, and Nero are all town.

Yeah, what you're saying is fair here. There has to be some scum in there when that is half the town.

Did ari say both the mason wagons are pure? If so I missed that in the pages I didn't read

She explicitly said HEM wagon pure
Then refused to push in the wagon on me.
Instead she posts a readwall with Wu who she said was town earlier
And votes Scorpio

That is a gist before anyone yells at me in case Scorpio was voted before the wall.

*lurker mode reengaged*

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probably try this

VOTE: scorp

Any reason why you’re avoiding both the HEM wagon and my wagon to pick from?

because I don't use vca before any flips happen.

@VP here you go.

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I mean it’s possible I was triggered as he who should not be named (someone with a name similar to condo was mentioned) so maybe I was triggered a bit emotionally but I still think what I said was accurate

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It was probably a mistake to even sign up for a game this big after (thing I don’t wanna talk about happened) but I didn’t want to give Condo the satisfaction that it took anything away from me

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Yeah I am taking Saturday off unless you ask me a direct question.

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Like Skitter hasn’t had a “ping” she gets pings. It’s weird.

what does this mean?

and like, the rest of your post could be easily explained by different circumstances that precedent, especially for what i imagine happened in the mason pt, but

idk if i have it in me rn to argue

It’s a word tell.

Skitter gets “pings” when town.
I don’t see that here for her

ok i was gonna make fun of this cause it doesn't say anything about whether she gets "pings" as maf, but instead i decided to just go check some recent games

slaughter hour (maf): 0 pings, 350 posts
open 841 (town): 11 pings, 1073 posts
micro 1035 (town): 3 pings, 295 posts
mini 2254 (town): 1 ping, 77 posts
mini 2247 (maf): 1 ping, 130 hydra posts
mini normal 2224 (maf): 0 pings, 50 posts
open 779 (town): 7 pings, 305 posts

this game: 1 ping, 130 posts

so maybe she does actually get pings less as maf. but her pings per post (ppp) as town is like 1 per 100 posts and she's kinda on pace with that so idk if it's conclusive. but this was fun at least

ping ping ping ping

I have no idea how you all even come up with this stuff

I am on the spectrum so much as I wish I was NT I sometimes notice certain patterns. I have to care about pings for my job. So using the word ping stands out to me. Kinda like a little I look forward to it.

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I'm starting to read go over some of the sections. Can someone explain to me why MathBlade even claimed both of you guys as Mason to begin with? You two weren't even like that high at that point...

Like what was the point? There was plenty of room to start talking yourselves out of the wagon. Instead MathBlade just decided with like half the required votes on you guys not even halfway into D1 to just throw out the mason bomb immediately.

MathBlade couldn't trust that I'll start townspewing no less than 48 hours after my initial shock gameplay

Pretty much this.
Scum were in control of the game and the only way I saw to change that was claim.

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VOTE: Wu

Still keeping my be quiet Saturday promise
Kicking ass in Trails of Cold Steel

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You have Internet. I am doing this time old tradition of being proven wrong shutting up and listening,

Hood people what happened in your hood overnight?

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Why fire?

@Skitter Why immediately hop to fire and not Frogsterking or be confused as both names start with F?

@Fua Why not jump on this?

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Why fire?

@Skitter Why immediately hop to fire and not Frogsterking or be confused as both names start with F?

@Fua Why not jump on this?

I did.

I don’t see where you called out Skitter for assuming Fire over Frog. Can you link me? Y’all are rapid posting

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This reads like SvS who had a precalculated fight. I think fua and Skitter can both die.

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This reads like SvS who had a precalculated fight. I think fua and Skitter can both die.

Well we can start with fua

We can start with IF either of you are town not bloating the thread a lot of pages.

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This reads like SvS who had a precalculated fight. I think fua and Skitter can both die.

Okay, vote out the claimed vigilante who received no CC and wasn’t shot last night who also immediately received suspicion because there was no shot.

How about instead of playing defense do offense? If you think Skitter is scum who with?

What do you make of fire validating my scum tell theory on D1?

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i hope fua is town

3 people immediately hopped on me for there being only one NK despite the fact that me being RBed is much more likely than me deciding to claim a role that can immediately verify itself on the next night and can be easily CCed during the day AND during night in case a vig doesn’t feel like outing during the day when I could have gone for some other much easier role that would have been much, much harder to disprove. There are far too many risks I would have to take to even begin to claim Vig over something like BG, Doc, etc.

This is bad. Will explain when not early in am. Please stop doing defense if you’re town. I think your defense here sucks. Instead please be constructive and forward facing.