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[ItalianoVD]

Okay pg 9 is where I started reading for real so I'm pretty much caught up and no what's going on at this point with the "softclaim" and whatnot. If anyone needs to ask me questions or needs me to clarify things feel free to do so. Probably won't be giving readslist this early but I'd say I know pretty much where my head is. Of course my reads can be wrong and probably are on Day 1, but things have stood out and not stood out to me if that makes sense.

[Crescent]

Ehh potential mindmeld in 176

177 - Ooh spicy. What is your true read on Carcalilly?

I don't know, just reading Scorpious' posts feel so different from last game and very similar to another scumgame I've played with them. 178and 179 in particular just feel strange.

VOTE: Vanya
Consolidating but moose still kinda sus

Is he though? You seem to just be keeping your options open.

I've explained all of those posts as I made them except for the mod one, but even that one should be obvious. I don't see the point of questioning me on why I like the idea of short prod timers after I just said how scum lurking out pressure is usually an effective strategy.

Roden town?

OMGUS much?

We caught scum guys.

Could dwlee and MonkeyMan be potential partners? They are individually scummy to me and have not interacted.

I feel like there is scum somewhere in dwlee, MonkeyMan, and Scorpious?

The way Roden straight up called out Scorpious didn't feel like a scum move. It felt like an annoyed town move. Scorpious' bad reaction to him makes me pretty confident that Roden is town if he is scum.

I kind of just completely let MM go after my pressure on him. Wonder why I did that.

Dwlee is a virtual inactive and has done basically nothing but hop between your slot and Moose, the other two inactives. Hopped from Moose to your slot almost immediately after I put the spotlight back on Andres. Kinda gives the vibe of not caring which of the two is getting voted for.

My personal experience says players like Moose are usually town being antagonistic because they don't know how to relate to the game. I've found players like him are the easiest vote in the world and they flip town more often than not - Though his scum equity goes up significantly if Scorpious is scum. He's been softly defending Moose without directly tying himself to him.

[ItalianoVD]

The way Roden straight up called out Scorpious didn't feel like a scum move. It felt like an annoyed town move. Scorpious' bad reaction to him makes me pretty confident that Roden is town if he is scum.

Yeah this is what I'm thinking right now.

I kind of just completely let MM go after my pressure on him.

Wonder why I did that.

Are you just asking yourself rhetorically or are you trying to tell me something?

Dwlee is a virtual inactive and has done basically nothing but hop between your slot and Moose, the other two inactives. Hopped from Moose to your slot almost immediately after I put the spotlight back on Andres. Kinda gives the vibe of not caring which of the two is getting voted for.

Exactly. I kinda forgot that dw was in the game and then when I was catching up and reading his iso the pings were popping in left and right.

My personal experience says players like Moose are usually town being antagonistic because they don't know how to relate to the game. I've found players like him are the easiest vote in the world and they flip town more often than not - Though his scum equity goes up significantly if Scorpious is scum. He's been softly defending Moose without directly tying himself to him.

This is what I felt when reading his posts and how everyone was interacting with them. Low hanging fruit is generally very valuable for scum which is why they hang onto it in practically every game. That's not to say this never comes from scum, but I'd say the percentages are pretty low on Day 1.

[ItalianoVD]

There's a newb tell specifically about how they entered the game

This isn't the newbie queue?

[ItalianoVD]

And who actually still uses this?

[ItalianoVD]

Nah but I just said I liked it
If someone just has content that I like but doesn’t feel really incisive I’ll eventually start wanting more out of them

Nah you were townleaning.

[ItalianoVD]

@dwlee: besides the scumreads you have on myself, vanya, scorpious, and moose, what else is going on in that head of yours?

[MonkeyMan576]

I'm glad you are active, Italiano, but it doesn't sound like a lot of what you are saying is based on anything semi concrete.

[Crescent]

I'm glad you are active, Italiano, but it doesn't sound like a lot of what you are saying is based on anything semi concrete.

Wow this reaction is horrifyingly bad. This might be the scummiest post in the entire game.

He's probably already given more content MM has all game, and this is the hill MM decides to stand on? MM just flat out disregards it all as not even worth responding to while he and I are actively going back and forth in our responses?


...Why did I decide to drop this guy off my radar again? Is it just because he voted Gera over Moose?


This is not a town reaction at all. This is a scum trying to shut the replacement up reaction. I'd actually be legitimately surprised to see MM be town based off of this one post.

[ItalianoVD]

I'm glad you are active, Italiano, but it doesn't sound like a lot of what you are saying is based on anything semi concrete.

I mean it is Day 1.

VOTE: MonkeyMan

[Crescent]

k so I took a few minutes to think it over and I just have absolutely no benefit of the doubt to give MM here. That post is almost never a town post. This is the second time MM has chosen a scummy as hell hill to fight on, and this one is somehow way worse than the other.

VOTE: MonkeyMan

This is scum. Andres was town. Andres was right.

Pretty high chance Dwlee is also scum. Just not even close to the near-lock MM is.


Pedit: I got ninjaed! Oh.

[ItalianoVD]

I'm glad you are active, Italiano, but it doesn't sound like a lot of what you are saying is based on anything semi concrete.

Which part? Specifics please.

[ItalianoVD]

I'm not sure what part he is talking about because I said kind of a lot. I'm guessing my scumread of him is what's eating at him.

[ItalianoVD]

Well it's been real my peeps, I'm going to bed. See you tomorrow. Thanks for engaging with me for a little while Crescent. Looking forward to our engagement Monkey.

[Crescent]

I'm not sure what part he is talking about because I said kind of a lot. I'm guessing my scumread of him is what's eating at him.

MM went berserk on Vanya for "OMGUS" earlier when Vanya's vote on him wasn't OMGUS. Now, he flat out shuts down any response to you at all... And you said you thought he was scum.

This is the second time MM has immediately tried to discredit someone who's called him scum (Note: I never actually called MM scum when I was pressuring him earlier), and the second time he's done it in an anti-town manner. To completely disregard what was effectively a catchup post from 500+ pages of content with that nonsense is not a town mentality.

I personally found plenty to interact with. I remember Gamma specifically interacted once. Dwlee interacted once. Probably a couple of more people that aren't immediately coming to mind did.

I'm sure enough on MM to vote him. My vote is rarely swayed once I'm set on it.

[Roden]

VOTE: monkeyman

[DkKoba]

Votecount 1.10

Epic Coaster (2010) - knigg

MonkeyMan576

(3): ItalianoVD, Crescent, Roden

FugitiveMoose

(2): Gamma Emerald, Meuh

ItalianoVD

(2): Dwlee99, Uncle Vanya

Scorpious

(2): Titus, MonkeyMan576

Not Voting

(4): Carcalilly, Scorpious, geraintm, FugitiveMoose
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.


Day 1 deadline is in: (expired on 2022-05-12 14:45:22).

[Gamma Emerald]

Nah but I just said I liked it
If someone just has content that I like but doesn’t feel really incisive I’ll eventually start wanting more out of them

Nah you were townleaning.

I mean yeah but in early game that cuts it

[Meuh]

Okay so I just ate a pear for the first time in several years, I had forgotten how good they were! Apples wish they could be half as good.
and so eating that wonderful pear gave me the energy I needed to properly analyze the game, so here we go

I get the impression that scum like this gamestate, and it's concerning. How quiet it is and the lack of adversity rubs me the wrong way. Plus I think a lot of the most active players are town.

Idk if anyone else does this, but for me early on I tend to like just accepting one player as town. One that leans town early, is active, has reasonable takes and is kinda acting like a leader. I just kinda just let myself not properly sort them until later on in the game and assume they have good intentions on day 1.
For me this game this player was Crescent, which I think you can see in my ISO. I'm not sure I bring up Crescent's alignment at all?
But yeah she's in that sort of position for me at the moment and I don't think she should be limmed for the time being

Dwlee and Gamma I also have not really attempted to sort, and are in a similar space in my head if that makes any sense? I've played a game with both of them before, in my mind they're playing this game kinda similarly and were both on the Moose wagon so they're in the same space. I've been bad at reading both of them in the past (Gamma just got a scum win over me ) so I've also just put it off for tomorrow.
Carcalilly I sorted in a similar spot, though I've never played with her before. I got some mild town pings from some of her posts and kind of just decided that wasn't gonna be a slot I'm sorting short term.

Roden has been very mindmeldy with me and I generally think he's a townie
Like I said before I think Scorpious isn't all that scummy, and has some moments I think are town indicative. I'm not interested at limming here, especially with their activity and how spewy I think they are.
Maybe I should reconsider MM? But honestly nothing from him has prompted me to. I'm still leaning town there.

Honestly at this point I'm also leaning town on Titus, a bit from individual gameplay but mostly from the general situation. 394, 453 and 463 look townie to me. I still don't like the Scorpious wagon, but I think there's more suspicion to be brought on those who jumped onto it (MM and Crescent). I don't get the impression scum have been initiating wagons really.

Italiano's catchup looks good to me, generally. Although I can't say I'm the biggest fan of MM/Scorpious seemingly being his top 2 scumreads. I get why someone would end up there because both have done surface level scummy stuff, but overall I don't scumread either. There's opportunistic benefit for scum to place suspicion there if both are town, it reinforces them as major lim candidates.

I've still put off ISOing geraintm and still need to do it, until then I'm neutral on the slot I suppose
Vanya I'm still leaning scum on but I can't say I've scrutinized the slot in a while. I don't think they're getting limmed today anyways.

Moose is in a weird spot because POE makes them scummy, but players I think are also scummy because of POE have put pressure on them? Negative equity within my scumpool basically. I like 557 and 559 honestly, but overall I feel pretty much neutral on their alignment.

At this point I think we should be limming within (geraintm, Dwlee, Moose, Vanya).
(Gamma, Carcalilly, MM) are all acceptable to me but I see no reason to lim over the top category.
(Roden, Crescent, Scorpious, Titus, Italiano) I don't see reason to be limming today.

Since a lot of you seem to feel kinda iffy but no one's committing to voting them, why don't I do this?
VOTE: Dwlee
Better than MM lim

[geraintm]

I agree with Rodan's assessment that he was obviously "softclaiming", but am perplexed as to why he'd bring it up so quickly, and even more perplexed as to why he'd immediately demand a claim.

It feels like it needed a lot more time to play out.

Claiming a PR under pressure is bad town play. Softing a PR to scare people away from pressuring you is scummy play.

If Scorpius actually wanted to use his PR to catch scum in a trap, it would've been better to not say anything at all so that scum could feel confident in actually voting him. As it is now, there's nothing we can analyze about his wagon. So instead we have to figure out if he just misplayed his PR, used his PR to avoid dealing with suspicion, or faked a PR soft to stop his wagon from forming.

Not sure how you want a town Pr to claim then? They aren't to hard claim, they aren't to soft claim, should they just never mention it?

[geraintm]

Don't trust gera at all though and consider him a good potential vote.

Also now that you've been useful UNVOTE: AndresReplacementPerson

It's day 1, you shouldn't trust anyone. That is a very pointless comment

[geraintm]

I hate Meuh's vote kn Dwlee. I don't see any build up to it, and then they use other people wanting to pressure them to justify their vote. It won't go anywhere, that isn't a wagon that is likely to happen anytime soon. It feels like a "I wanna be seen doing something"

It comes right after a wagon is forming is another player....so large naughty point for you

VOTE: meuh

[Dwlee99]

Yea meuh's vote on me is kinda weird especially as an explicit counter to MM and also because they open up discussion of me as explicitly not knowing how to read me etc. and not saying anything about my play. Why am I a better wagon than MM if she hasn't even attempted to sort me?

[Dwlee99]

@dwlee: besides the scumreads you have on myself, vanya, scorpious, and moose, what else is going on in that head of yours?

There is not much going on up in here right now

[Crescent]

Don't trust gera at all though and consider him a good potential vote.

Also now that you've been useful UNVOTE: AndresReplacementPerson

It's day 1, you shouldn't trust anyone. That is a very pointless comment

Trust had nothing to do with it. My vote was only there to pressure an inactive, which is something I was clear on when I made it.