Open 857 | Frienemies | Postgame

[catboi]

Vote Count 1.02

fireisredsir (2):

Aristeia, PenguinPower

VP Baltar (2):

Datisi, implosion

Andante (1):

VP Baltar

Datisi (1):

GeorgeBailey

Vulture (1):

Gamma Emerald

hutmeil (1):

Andante

Not Voting (5):

hutmeil, Malakittens, Something_Smart, fireisredsir, Vulture

With 13 alive, it's 7 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 1 is July 8 at 5:00 PM EST.

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2022-07-08 17:00:00)

Notes:

Datisi is V/LA until 6/27.
GeorgeBailey is V/LA until 6/27.

[GeorgeBailey]

@mod V/LA until Monday

Sorry should have done this last night. Wedding stuff.

[VP Baltar]

why do you think scum!him avoid you again?

Cause I posed an awkward opener (I'm not masons with datisi), and engaging with that conversation is potentially uncomfortable for scum, who I suspect would not want to openly talk about masons for fear of being called rolefishers.

ah yes, towntisi, the creature widely known for loving to engage in awkward conversations, and potentially tip off scum on their masonry status.

Maybe I have a higher opinion of your ability to game the game as town.

What bugs me is you're arguing kind of two things here. 1) That engaging with me on that topic could have been awkward as town, and therefore you avoided it. And 2) you intentionally ignored me because you were reaction testing if that was would annoy me.

Is that an accurate representation of what you're saying?

okay, i don't think my reads have dramatically changed in the last few pages

main thing that annoys me is that baltar is pushing me for things i'm pretty sure he knows is false. which like, wouldn't be the first time i get pushed for nonsense. but my issue there is that there seems to be a lack of... an overarching thought process behind the push. it's just throwing a mudfling after mudfling.

i'd be interesting in hearing why @implo is voting there, though, since i'm p sure he's not aware of this sorta meta.

a few other things i'm keeping an eye out on, but i wanna let them develop naturally first.

aight, gotta run. will be checking in periodically today, depending on how busy the workday will be. try to not have too much fun without me.

I don't think there is any lack of thought process. I've explained my reasoning pretty thoroughly actually. What do you think is mudslinging exactly?

[VP Baltar]

i agree hut is being explicitly not townie right now,

Is there some hut meta I should know here? What's not town there other than just general not playing the game yet.

Same Q to andante.

[VP Baltar]

what I like to call "busy work"

and hut did that but worse? hut's stuff was like strictly not really game related lol, like why do you care if I TR or SR Vulture? they don't have lots of posts, so obviously my read there isn't mega strong, like, you want clarification on my VULTURE read? yet I can tr and sr datisi in the same paragraph... and no questions?

Assuming this is the bulk of your reasons. Have you played with hut before? Is their play here outside town range?

[VP Baltar]

i'm sorry, this is just bs. you're basically saying "i don't think datisi would try to annoy me" and "i don't think datisi would be doing the thing he consistently does in rvs" which like, on the former i'm pretty sure you know better, and on the later i am sure you know better

I don't feel like you try to annoy me in RVS. What example are you thinking of? I also don't think you could annoy me. Few people on this site can bc I lub all of u.

[Aristeia]

VOTE: vpb

[VP Baltar]

VOTE: vpb

Jealousy getting to you?

[Andante]

what I like to call "busy work"

and hut did that but worse? hut's stuff was like strictly not really game related lol, like why do you care if I TR or SR Vulture? they don't have lots of posts, so obviously my read there isn't mega strong, like, you want clarification on my VULTURE read? yet I can tr and sr datisi in the same paragraph... and no questions?

Assuming this is the bulk of your reasons. Have you played with hut before? Is their play here outside town range?

I have no idea who hut even is. why is this "assuming this is the bulk of your reasons" like, hut only has like 2 posts... do you want this like 15 page paper on exactly why hut MUST be maf? and even if I knew who hut was, how would that result in me being CONFIDENT they're maf after 2 posts?

VOTE: VP

[Andante]

i agree hut is being explicitly not townie right now,

Is there some hut meta I should know here? What's not town there other than just general not playing the game yet.

Same Q to andante.

have you looked at what hut actually did? do I have to spell it out? the "content" given is not something that helps with reads, it's like "I'm here... look at me!!! I'm doing stuff!!" but like, I didn't like the posts.. I'll say it again. Why does whether I TR or SR Vulture matter to hut? hut only commented on like 3 things. Datisi and Ari knowing each other, my read on vulture, and something else I don't remember. TOWN... reading the game would have actual stuff to comment on

[Datisi]

What bugs me is you're arguing kind of two things here. 1) That engaging with me on that topic could have been awkward as town, and therefore you avoided it. And 2) you intentionally ignored me because you were reaction testing if that was would annoy me.

Is that an accurate representation of what you're saying?

yes. i didn't respond at first because i couldn't think of anything funny to say to your initial post. then once i saw you saying how i'm ignoring you, i decided to *keep* ignoring you to see what happens.

[Gamma Emerald]

Like Gamma went "I have to catch up" quoted a handful of things, and that was it. no "concluding thoughts" or whatever

[Andante]

Like Gamma went "I have to catch up" quoted a handful of things, and that was it. no "concluding thoughts" or whatever

I mean, do you have any thoughts or anything after your catch up?

[Gamma Emerald]

I shared what thoughts I had already
I said earlier that the game so far felt rather bland and I meant it

[Andante]

once i saw you saying how i'm ignoring you, i decided to *keep* ignoring you to see what happens.

lol it's a good strat!!! cause if they're town they'll just keep yelling that you're ignoring, if scum, they just drop it and move on... at least, that's what I've learned from my experience

[Andante]

I shared what thoughts I had already
I said earlier that the game so far felt rather bland and I meant it

yikes.. how to make it not bland then? is it me? might be me.. SORRY IM A BLAND PERSON YALL!!! byeeeee

[Datisi]

I don't think there is any lack of thought process. I've explained my reasoning pretty thoroughly actually. What do you think is mudslinging exactly?

it feels like it. going from "datisi scum because ignoring me" to "datisi scum because doing things i don't like that i know townwisi does". it's mudflinging because it's a very weak attack and it the thought process behind it feels forced into you having to attack me

[Datisi]

I don't feel like you try to annoy me in RVS. What example are you thinking of?

not always, no. but i feel like joking around / annoying people i like is something that's personality based more than anything (first thought that comes to mind is joking around in the neighborhood pt) so you framing that as "towntisi does not do that" is ???

i am thinking of at least one game where i explicitly said i make up reads early on as town, i think there's been more recent examples too, and like, we have played enough that you should know that bluffing on my read strength is just something i do?

[Datisi]

viewtopic.php?p=12364832#p12364832

this is the instance i was thinking of specifically

i know that you're aware of me having very early reads as town more recently too so like, this whole push feels staged lol

[Datisi]

i agree hut is being explicitly not townie right now,

Is there some hut meta I should know here? What's not town there other than just general not playing the game yet.

Same Q to andante.

it's not about not playing

it's about not doing jack shit to drive the game forward, like what have they posted that's anywhere near game advancing

obviously town does this too sometimes so i'm not gonna be jumping over it yet, but that slot is explicitly not townie

[VP Baltar]

what I like to call "busy work"

and hut did that but worse? hut's stuff was like strictly not really game related lol, like why do you care if I TR or SR Vulture? they don't have lots of posts, so obviously my read there isn't mega strong, like, you want clarification on my VULTURE read? yet I can tr and sr datisi in the same paragraph... and no questions?

Assuming this is the bulk of your reasons. Have you played with hut before? Is their play here outside town range?

I have no idea who hut even is. why is this "assuming this is the bulk of your reasons" like, hut only has like 2 posts... do you want this like 15 page paper on exactly why hut MUST be maf? and even if I knew who hut was, how would that result in me being CONFIDENT they're maf after 2 posts?

VOTE: VP

Seems like a strong reaction to me asking if you had something I'm not seeing here.

I don't recall asking for a 15 page case, or really any case?

[VP Baltar]

i decided to *keep* ignoring you to see what happens.

Do you think I would like act irrationally about this or something?

Re: your town cases - it's not so much about me having an issue with you making town reads. It's more that your reasoning seems extremely flimsy (blah blah, early game etc).

[VP Baltar]

viewtopic.php?p=12364832#p12364832

this is the instance i was thinking of specifically

i know that you're aware of me having very early reads as town more recently too so like, this whole push feels staged lol

Also, looking at this example, I don't think I express any annoyance at what you're doing there. I suppose I could see it as a clear example of you doing something to provoke a reaction, but did it actually do much there?

[Andante]

Datisi is lock town

[VP Baltar]

i am thinking of at least one game where i explicitly said i make up reads early on as town, i think there's been more recent examples too, and like, we have played enough that you should know that bluffing on my read strength is just something i do?

Although, sure. This is fair generally I suppose