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[Datisi]

i'm up to where shea self voted and i do not feel like he/gamma are cleared from being partners

[Datisi]

Subject: Large Normal 241: Random Pictures and Other Stuff | Night 4

And also I just decided I'd like to vote you to maybe maybe "life allow" a little more quickly.

VOTE: DeasVail

pushing gamma yes

[Datisi]

like, the more i think about it, the more i feel like shea's "i am obvtown here!! i am never scum with gamma!!" yelling is like, similar to my yelling in frienemies where i knew i was talking shit but i was just repeating the same shit over and over because lol scumplay, at some point it's the only thing you can do

[Datisi]

ok i'm at pg 136 and i don't think i have the brainpower to keep doing this right now, gonna go for a walk or something

[scamper]

like, the more i think about it, the more i feel like shea's "i am obvtown here!! i am never scum with gamma!!" yelling is like, similar to my yelling in frienemies where i knew i was talking shit but i was just repeating the same shit over and over because lol scumplay, at some point it's the only thing you can do

mebbe

[Datisi]

Subject: Large Normal 241: Random Pictures and Other Stuff | Night 4

was rereading vp in ktane to see how that went down and remembered that he pulled this kinda read on a buddy there

a read I keep avoiding going to the ISO well for. fuck if I know. I actually didn't mind his push on you. Still on my to-do list forever because I don't wanna

(see how he treats MT here and here)

it's also weird here bc it seemed like earlier he was pretty engaged with the irrel suspicion and talking about how he townreads there. so the way he talks about it here feels like it doesn't fit

hmm

[Datisi]

Subject: Large Normal 241: Random Pictures and Other Stuff | Night 4

hey

is datisi town

who should i vote

yes

SS or shea, maybe? or suggest an alternative

This is a really strange place for you to be pushing considering you say you lean town on me. Why am I simultaneously lean town but one of the two people you are suggesting pushing? The only thing that changed since then was datisi voted for me and guiltylion said he didnt vibe with some of my stuff.

This feels incredibly opportunistic tbh. I haven't really thought any of the shade my slot has been getting has been scummy but this one is.

VOTE: Fire

this also does not look like a gamma vote

[Datisi]

on page 162, vague thought is that fire and shea are not aligned, because i find it kind of weird that fire would do a very lazy bus on hem while shea is doing weird defenses of hem

typing it out, it's not exactly clearing ig but it's like, eyebrow raising you feel

[Datisi]

Subject: Large Normal 241: Random Pictures and Other Stuff | Night 4

I fundamentally don't understand why HEM as scum would come into the thread and attack scamper tbh.

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Datisi]

Subject: Large Normal 241: Random Pictures and Other Stuff | Night 4

i thought HEM was super townie yesterday (which i thought was generally agreed with - by yesterday i mean last game day), i'm really to re-look into things today though but i'd appreciate if someone could talk about their reasonings for the shift here too

why was he super townie yesterday?

to be fair i'm checking and a lot of it had to do with early game, it just felt like he was really jumping into the thick of things right away, making associative reads and such, and i thought the confidence behind it all came across as townie. like, when i compare it to boss (the name of my irl group), usually when people are loudly proclaiming/asserting opinions and trying to push that through to the group they're more likely townies - and it felt like their general engagement is good. but we're probably at a point where we could fairly reassess this.

also, when you say that post from fire is scummy, do you mean it in a sense of like a mafia who is kind of lazily calling something 'wrong but townie' without putting much thought into the argument? i can sort of see that.

fire was another name i had as townie yesterday but could reasonably reconsider as i re-sort.

this is what obscure had to say about hem at the time hem was a leading wagon and like, this is Not Good

[Datisi]

ok i'm up to page 212 and i think my brain has melted

i'm stopping here because i'm tired and because day 3 was very tainted by the csf misclear i feel and i don't have the energy to be trying to parse through it

i'm currently at?

datisi, scamper
titus
ausuka
guiltylion
dannflor
deasvail
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fireisredsir
frogsterking
menalque
shea

the line is separating townreads vs scumreads

fire i'm kinda reading as town because i like his posts on d4 and the cases, but also like

he has been in the wrong place at the wrong time so many times this game i can't just seal that

ik i'm getting confbiased but i legitimately cannot see town-shea here and rereading and reminding myself of the atrocity that was irrel's play, and the horrible vibes around shea, i cannot i have to see him die

also, i feel like i have noticed multiple istances of shea/fire acting in a way that i don't see partners act here, but i'm not very certain on that as my associate reads are ass

i'm kind of paranoid if i have gl too high but also like idk what to do

if scum isn't in those 4, i have no idea what's going on in this game, and at that point i'm embracing death

[Datisi]

also, frog being as low as he is is 100% sheeping you, sorry i don't have the brain to actually be reading his posts today

[Datisi]

i think that's that from me for the night, i'm gonna be p busy until deadline (catching up on sleep, preparing a move for the uni) so i won't be able to deepread, but i'll be around here and there so if you have anything you'd like to chat about wrt game

[scamper]

also, frog being as low as he is is 100% sheeping you, sorry i don't have the brain to actually be reading his posts today

i have only loosely touched his stuff but his associations with all the flipped scum are so bad

the fun thing is that one of frog/shea is very likely town in spite of having the worst imaginable interactions with scum

the journey is finding out which!

gamma drawing a connection between frog/obscure while voting frog still feels like, too on the nose to me to be scum/scum although so much of frogster's play day 2 is bad enough to negate that

[Datisi]

i have only loosely touched his stuff but his associations with all the flipped scum are so bad

i mean, the issue is

i have literally zero positive expectations about frogs's townplay so i don't necessarily think that's actually that damning >_>

[Datisi]

how sure are you on gl being town? i saw he was p high on your list, and while i do agree he looks good (esp wrt hem), anything else off the top of your head that i'm missing that would calm my nerves there?

[scamper]

fair enuf ig

the thing for me is its tough to swallow him resisting both wagons on scum day 2

i think mena p much always flips scum here and i feel like its probably worth digging into obscure in that regard

(also someone said they thought the hemskitter interaction in early game wasnt s/s and i wanted to rebut that skitter wuld absolutely distance from a partner in the early game like that)

[scamper]

how sure are you on gl being town? i saw he was p high on your list, and while i do agree he looks good (esp wrt hem), anything else off the top of your head that i'm missing that would calm my nerves there?

i didn't think vpb pushing him looked scum/scum and in general i feel like its been easy for me to see where hes coming from? p hard to see him as scum atp, i only think i'd be suspicious if he were alive in 3p elo, but, well, im not gunna be there to see it

[Datisi]

i think mena p much always flips scum here and i feel like its probably worth digging into obscure in that regard

give me confidence here because i feel similarly but i am much more shaky on it ig

[Datisi]

DeasVail (6): fireisredsir, Ausuka, marcistar, Frogsterking, Enchant, obscure
obscure (5): GuiltyLion, Datisi, Nero Cain, scamper, Dannflor

i think fire going "maybe both wagons are scum" at this vc and at obscure being scum and deas being town is like, horrendous

but that would mean both shea and frog are town and lol

[Datisi]

well, there goes that

i'll try to bring it home, buddy

[Datisi]

current mood

[Datisi]

oh yeah i have this as notes

i think frogs's "this is what the dead town / townblock says, and they are townreading gamma so don't vote gamma lole" is like, fucking awful, AND i don't remember him ever caring that much about other people's reads, even if they are town

if he can bring up an example of him doing that as town, i guess this isn't that scummy, but if not...

[Datisi]

disappointed but not surprised

[Datisi]

uhhh

titus???