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Hi I am a maso--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.
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Hi, I am town.
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(Okay but for real, I intend to be a BEACON this game, REVEALING the TRUE COLORS of all.)In post 18, mastina wrote:REJOICE! For your SAVIOR is--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.
Hi I am a maso--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.
Hi, I am town.
In post 12, Maid Cafe wrote:UWU
Town.In post 24, Radical Rat wrote:VOTE: furtiveglance
Obviously Lunar is the superior cult, if we were to be in one
In post 6, furtiveglance wrote:Not saying I'm Cult, but if I was I'd be Solar.
In post 9, Save The Dragons wrote:Hiiiiii
Town?
Scum?In post 8, professotic wrote:who should we elim?
(More, including readslist, when home from work.)In post 49, mastina wrote:In post 12, Maid Cafe wrote:UWUTown.In post 24, Radical Rat wrote:VOTE: furtiveglance
Obviously Lunar is the superior cult, if we were to be in oneIn post 6, furtiveglance wrote:Not saying I'm Cult, but if I was I'd be Solar.In post 9, Save The Dragons wrote:HiiiiiiTown?
Scum?In post 8, professotic wrote:who should we elim?
In post 25, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:Yoink!
Town.In post 34, Yume wrote:I am Talia. Believe it or not, it's true. As true as the fact that Aegon the Conqueror had two wives.
I knew you'd appreciate it. <3In post 27, Past Present Future wrote:I laughed.In post 18, mastina wrote:REJOICE! For your SAVIOR is--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.
Hi I am a maso--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.
Hi, I am town.
~Titus
I just wish it were with you as town. </3In post 44, Frozen Angel wrote:Anyways missed you, my friends. long time no see <3 been a while since I played a game here
Scum.
Town.In post 57, Save The Dragons wrote:I don't plan on learning the mechanics are they difficult
Scum?In post 52, Bunnyonce wrote:Speaking for myself: the mechanical speculation and her enthusiasm seemed towny.
I guess you could argue that's a level 0 take, but whatever.
-Aisa
I mean, you right!In post 80, Radical Rat wrote:VOTE: professotic
I can't really quantify it, but it feels like they're playing looking for someone to kill rather than looking for scum. Just the way they're engaging feels... Wrong.
Because I said so.In post 93, Frozen Angel wrote:Can you explain how the two of these are in your almost lock-town slots when their game hasn't even start yet?
That's literally my null tier. I don't have a read there.In post 95, MMR wrote:mastina, can you explain your read on Child of Fairies?
I will say that I don't think much will change from this list but I owe explanations of it and will obviously still need to refine it.In post 92, mastina wrote:{Past Present Future} (most locktown of locktown)
{Save the Dragons, Yume} (basically most, but need just abitmore from both to be sure)
{Radical Rat, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (may be one lower)}
{Maid Cafe, MMR}
TOWNLEAN:
{furtiveglance}
{Enchant}
{T-Bone}
{Child of Fairies}
{Radja}
{Frozen Angel}
{Bunnyonce}
SCUM:
{Korina}
{professotic}
(Yes I am aware that's too few scum since the approximate amount should be 6, so I'm townreading slots I shouldn't be, but fornow, this'll do.)
In post 106, Radical Rat wrote:Mastina, where's the Korina read coming from? They've done literally nothing and are getting replaced, so I don't see how they can be anything but null
That ain't nothing to me.
Because tictac is playing to his multiball-scum-meta.In post 107, professotic wrote:@Mastina in your own words, why do you find us wolfy?
StD moves to my highest tier of locktown, and FA moves down to more scum (with an asterisk admittedly).In post 140, Save The Dragons wrote:You literally just shaded me again and are saying you are not shading me in the same breath
Basic math.In post 144, Bunnyonce wrote:What makes you think 6 is the approximate amount?In post 92, mastina wrote:[...]
(Yes I am aware that's too few scum since the approximate amount should be 6, so I'm townreading slots I shouldn't be, but for now, this'll do.)
-Aisa
Oi it's never random regardless of my alignment.In post 147, Save The Dragons wrote:Mastina is a slot I'd like to sort later. I think this is just what she does and if it's entirely random she's scum but if it makes some sense she's probably town. I am leaning toward the latter.
Yo, I think you're town but this is a very very very bad take.In post 155, Radical Rat wrote:What defines "worth it" here? Because it sure sounds like either mastina's your buddy, or you're trying to make us think she is.
VOTE: T-Bone
I buy this.
What a shame, that means instead of being accurate you're going to be inaccurate because most of my reads are going to be right! I can see into the hearts of others and their inner darkness/light.In post 153, MMR wrote:Hmm, I think I disagree with most of these reads.
It is specifically because I have seen you as scum twice that I know this is your multiball scum meta.In post 157, professotic wrote:mastina read on us does strike me as unplausible, since she just saw me as scum twice
Well you, I don't know; your posts don't give me an alignment without that knowledge. So with you as null and tictac as clearly scum...In post 167, professotic wrote:Maybe try talking to the great professor?
That's the thing tho.In post 182, MMR wrote:I do agree with you that mastina's read on STD is a bit off. I don't feel like his content at the time when she made the read, was exactly that Towny.
UNVOTE: FA for now.
This is a very good post, and a very good read.In post 186, Bunnyonce wrote:VOTE: professotic
Probably my best scumread so far. Not the strongest, but I'm fairly confident there's enough odd stuff going on with this slot.
I've played with tictac briefly. Never played with ProfessorDrapion, but witnessed him play in Mini Normal 2280, which I hosted. They don't sign their posts, but from what I've read, I would estimate like 70-80% of content comes from tictac and only 20-30% comes from ProfessorDrapion. And this is the first thing that is off about this slot. In my experience, tictac has been less active than he is in his past games and ProfessorDrapion has been one of the most active in Mini Normal 2280. Even if his posts didn't give too much content, he was always kinda there. This activity pattern makes me think that they might have decided to let tictac lead the way and ProfessorDrapion take a step back.
I've had a bad vibe fromEnchant's entrance post too. Obviously I know it was RVS, yadda yadda etc. But still, at the timeDingle Dangle Scarecrowmade 26, I thought this is a valid early read, andprofessotic(most likely the tictac head) coming afterScarecrowposting this was unwarranted (60). Also, the vote itself (31), RVS or not, came chronologically before the justification for it (60). None of these two things would bother me so much individually, but in combination they are giving me en err vibe. So that's the second thing.
I don't buy thefurtiveglancetownread at all. In my experience, he's been quite active and actively scumhunting in his past games, and I get the feeling that he doesn't care that much about this game at all. This doesn't really warrant townreading him, especially with such confidence. That's the third thing.
~Greeting
Multiball, so: yes.In post 198, Save The Dragons wrote:the upside is i don't know if scum would make a post that disgusting so maybe i'm coming around to you being town
Not nearly as strongly as I'd prefer, but loosely, yes.In post 235, Past Present Future wrote:In post 34, Yume wrote:I am Talia. Believe it or not, it's true. As true as the fact that Aegon the Conqueror had two wives.In post 128, Yume wrote:Yo@Mastina, are you still tr this?
Well basically, scum can scumhunt in multiball.In post 245, Past Present Future wrote:Can you elaborate on this? I have almost no experience playing multiball and how do you distinguish multiball meta from singleball meta?
Multiball ain't exactly common enough to have a boatload of games for a player as scum.In post 253, Past Present Future wrote:@Mastina what exactly is tictac’s multiball scum meta? Can you link some games for me?
I mean, to be fair: I have internalized my process more, where I do a lot of things automatically that I used to write out manually.In post 265, Frozen Angel wrote:I swear that understanding mastina posts and reads was not this hard few years ago.
Not true!In post 272, Frozen Angel wrote:she specifically said she has no idea what she is doing with her meta read on me
That I don't remember. I think she might, but this ain't the 100%, this is more like a 60%.In post 306, MMR wrote:I hope you don't mind but could you confirm if FA likes to distance as scum?
In post 361, MathBlade wrote:FoS on Titus. Don’t see how she’s getting her reads.
Oh yeah MathBlade's lockscum here; he's literally voting/pushing the four towniest* slots in the game.In post 362, MathBlade wrote:FoS on StD
Btw having seen furtive effectively be scum in multiball (furtive was an SK), I can say that this is a very, very, very different look for him this game. Obviously, doesn't clear him since SKs have no scumbuddies, but I would expect if furtive were scum this game for there to be a similarity between his play that game and his play this game as still hunting for scum while playing for the longterm endgoal of endgaming town and scum alike.In post 319, furtiveglance wrote:I'm sorry for this. I think prof is town and there are some very bad votes on them.
I want to vote Dingle for their bandwagoning crimes
VOTE: Dingle Dangle Scarecrow
And Klick is town for the reads synergy.In post 323, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:This is a town take
This has a fairly good chance of being scum.In post 315, Radja wrote:I've been keeping up on my phone, but the amount of players and hydra heads in this game make it hard for me to get much reads really.
This is an incredibly shallow take and I feel like you know it is.In post 311, Bunnyonce wrote:I have never seenFAas scum. As town she's normally rather helpful and cooperative, and I believe that is how she's been so far.
This is an absolutely egregious--tictac doesn't believe this and youIn post 309, professotic wrote:VOTE: mastina
u r doing ur dead-thread thing using technically true statements to push nonsense.i think this was the only lie in the post.In post 304, mastina wrote:The one and only area I falter in is knowing which meta is which.
Btw this is a sentence that never comes from MathBlade as town.
Respectfully, you're not me.In post 327, Past Present Future wrote:I really don’t understand what Mastina is talking about with this 100% thing wrt to FA. In Masochist Mafia, I wrongly lockscummed her slot because she had posted very similarly as scum in a previous game, so I don’t agree that FA has a 100% anything meta.
Btw to give an idea of how scum MathBlade is, even this first post is minor scum. It's admittedly only like 2%, 52-48, but ever soIn post 322, MathBlade wrote:Confirming my replace in. I am working so haven’t read.
Anywhere I should read on my break?
This is another scum post from MathBlade--it's very much an idle thought, but one that is scum because of more or less, it does nothing and has no followthrough. MathBlade's town idle thoughts do things and/or have followthrough. This idle thought was self-evidently a pointless one, that couldn't lead to anything.In post 330, MathBlade wrote:I can’t but I don’t think anything is a wagon until it hits 3 people. Why are you focused on it?
This is also crucial.In post 332, MathBlade wrote:Many I want to see if you think a) scum are in control or b) town are
In post 325, MegAzumarill wrote:professotic (5)Mastina, Bunnyonce, Yume, Enchant,Dingle Dangle Scarecrow[E-4]
Radja (3) T-Bone, Past Present Future, MMR
MMR (2) Frozen Angel, Maid Cafe
Enchant (1) Mathblade
Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (1)furtiveglance
T-Bone (1) Radical Rat
Mastina (1)professotic
Not Voting (3) Radja, Child of Fairies, Save the Dragons,
In post 361, MathBlade wrote:FoS on Titus. Don’t see how she’s getting her reads.
Notice something?In post 362, MathBlade wrote:FoS on StD
(Obviously quite angry about this btw since it genuinely means the entirety of today was lost to work. Woke up, was barely not late for work. Worked my normal work schedule. Then, BAM. Had to work a second shift of equal length to the first. Then the moment I got home, busy doing prep for tomorrow, and even hauling my ass trying to not be late, I am half an hour late. So I'm not exaggerating in having lost an ENTIRE day to work and I am quite miffed about it.)In post 602, mastina wrote:(I'm somewhat miffed since I got a SURPRISE!!! double-shift today meaning I had to work an extra 5 hours. Guess which 5 hours I was planning to post in this game today during???![]()
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(Basically I think we have guaranteed scum here--it's not a surefire thing for both teams to be teams of 3, but I am convinced there is at least one team of 3, and that team of 3 believed that I am on the other scumteam and by virtue of them being a team of 3, they assumed their mirror is also a team of 3, and assuming that, assumed that my mention of 6 scum was a scumslip of me being on the other team. Ironically in the process scumslipping themselves. Where they TMI'd in response to what they thought was TMI.)In post 602, mastina wrote:Crap I have a very important post about why I think there is at least one scumteam with 3 players and that they have TMI'd this to be the case and why I think that,
And I was gonna write it tonight,
In post 602, mastina wrote:I have a very important post about why I think there is at least one scumteam with 3 players and that they have TMI'd this to be the case and why I think that,
I DO think that at least one scumteam TMI'd there being a scumteam of 3 tho--in part because of the reactions to my post, and them thinking "oh mastina scumslipped she's one of the other scumteam".
Will explain what I mean tomorrow but I'm VERY confident in this because I know something the other scumteam doesn't. (Well, two things. One being that I am town.)
So I think they fucked themselves over.
There’s probably at least one scumteam of 3, which believes that I scumslipped.In post 604, mastina wrote:(Basically I think we have guaranteed scum here--it's not a surefire thing for both teams to be teams of 3, but I am convinced there is at least one team of 3, and that team of 3 believed that I am on the other scumteam and by virtue of them being a team of 3, they assumed their mirror is also a team of 3, and assuming that, assumed that my mention of 6 scum was a scumslip of me being on the other team. Ironically in the process scumslipping themselves. Where they TMI'd in response to what they thought was TMI.)In post 602, mastina wrote:Crap I have a very important post about why I think there is at least one scumteam with 3 players and that they have TMI'd this to be the case and why I think that,
And I was gonna write it tonight,
These were my opening posts in the game.In post 19, mastina wrote:(Okay but for real, I intend to be a BEACON this game, REVEALING the TRUE COLORS of all.)In post 18, mastina wrote:REJOICE! For your SAVIOR is--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.
Hi I am a maso--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.
Hi, I am town.
This, which was
Notice something?In post 334, MathBlade wrote:Not sure about this post. The OP says cult conversion is neither confirmed nor denied.In post 21, Enchant wrote:Wdm cult gameIn post 18, mastina wrote:REJOICE! For your SAVIOR is--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.
Hi I am a maso--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.
Hi, I am town.
Cult is just flavor, it's not confirmed they can convert.
Has there been an explicit message somewhere I missed?
Yet here, me stating ~6 scum, MathBlade sees as suspect.In post 354, MathBlade wrote:This post by Mastina is suspicious.In post 92, mastina wrote:(Yes I am aware that's too few scum since the approximate amount should be 6, so I'm townreading slots I shouldn't be, but fornow, this'll do.)
It’s clear from the presenters here we don’t know if cult can recruit.
Yet somehow Mastina ends up on 6 because why?
VOTE: mastina
(Btw just for reference, I believe a town-MathBladeIn post 334, MathBlade wrote:Not sure about this post. The OP says cult conversion is neither confirmed nor denied.In post 21, Enchant wrote:Wdm cult gameIn post 18, mastina wrote:REJOICE! For your SAVIOR is--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.
Hi I am a maso--oh, wait, this is a cult game, I shouldn't open with that.
Hi, I am town.
Cult is just flavor, it's not confirmed they can convert.
Has there been an explicit message somewhere I missed?
I already did, repeatedly.In post 338, Bunnyonce wrote:Maybe mastina would like to finally confirm for us if she thinks FA is in her scum or town meta?
Well STD is easy. He is too casual to be mafia. And until he basically left the game because he felt he was being too serious, he was quite active, too.
Outside of STD and FA tho:
This is the towngame of all three heads of PPF but in particular Nancy. Nancy is one of the easiest players to read onsite and every player having the slot remotely suspicious that has played with her is automatically suspect for not calling her the townie she is. But even Auro and Titus are showing themselves to be town. I shouldn't need to explain the Nancy meta but I can go into the Auro/Titus ones if needed, it's just that it'd be a lot of time/effort for something I don't see as important to lay out. The Nancy meta is enough. I'm not the only player to have played with Nancy here and not every player who knows her play will be scum so like. All it really takes is ~2-4 players verifying she's town and you can know she is in fact town.In post 264, mastina wrote:LOCKTOWN:
{Past Present Future, Save The Dragons} (most locktown of locktown)
TOWN:
{Yume, Radical Rat, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow}
{Maid Cafe, MMR}
TOWNLEAN:
{furtiveglance}
{Enchant}
{T-Bone}
{Child of Fairies}
{Radja}
{Bunnyonce}
SCUM:
{Frozen Angel}
{professotic}
{Korina/MathBlade}
So does Yume, that doesn't mean you can't get a read on Yume based on her time in the game, including her first post.In post 355, MathBlade wrote:Seconded. Korina tends to flake as both alignments.In post 106, Radical Rat wrote:Mastina, where's the Korina read coming from? They've done literally nothing and are getting replaced, so I don't see how they can be anything but null
This post has absolutely zero rvs vibes to it and yet absolutely zero content to it.
By the way: this is MathBlade doing the "projecting the reason for the scumread he THINKS they have" thing.In post 365, MathBlade wrote:Lol really?
Like this is ridiculous.
Mastina I think scum slipped hard with the 6.
MathBlade thought that I was saying he was scum for thinking 6 scum. While I DO, it wasn't until 602 that I did.
MathBlade's 365 was in direct response to 364.In post 364, mastina wrote:In post 361, MathBlade wrote:FoS on Titus. Don’t see how she’s getting her reads.Oh yeah MathBlade's lockscum here; he's literally voting/pushing the four towniest* slots in the game.In post 362, MathBlade wrote:FoS on StD
(*Admittedly one of them, me, requires knowledge of my alignment.I've not towned it up yet. But MathBlade is literally FoSing/voting three of the towniest slots in the game, with me as a fourth--I get that MathBlade can have bad towngames, but this is not an entrance MathBlade ever has as town.
There's a lot more, but tbh I wasn't planning on posting here today at all. In fact I explicitly was trying to take today as a rest day. But I couldn't let this go unsaid; MathBlade is 200% scum here. The above is a big reason but there's more reasons beyond that; I can explain those reasons when I actually feel like posting.)
Sure, in of itself, MathBlade can have a towngame that atrocious. Scumreading four of the towniest slots in the game isn't impossible.In post 372, MMR wrote:I liked most of mastina's reads but I 100% disagree on her read on Math.
He could be wrong in his reads but I don't think that it makes him scum.
Sure, but this is you doing that as scum under the belief you would do it as town--but the way you did it betrayed being scum.In post 365, MathBlade wrote:It’s well known that I tend to disagree with popular opinion at times no matter my alignment.
Btw I'm like 90% sure MathBlade uses the phrase "flail harder" disproportionately as scum.In post 375, MathBlade wrote:Flail harder
Btw I stand by this solve, so far.In post 376, mastina wrote:If I had to guess at scumteams, my current guess would be {FA, professotic, MathBlade} | {Bunnyonce, Radja?, ???}.
But obviously not final.
The numbers I used are estimations, never precise percentages. I use percentage numbers to give a visual descriptor to people. 'ever so slightly' is considered vague, '52%' quantifies it. The 52% is not actually a real quantity, but it is useful shorthand to give a number that helps people understand what 'ever so slightly' is meant to be.In post 381, MathBlade wrote:Did you bother to calculate the standard deviation Mastina?In post 379, mastina wrote:Btw to give an idea of how scum MathBlade is, even this first post is minor scum. It's admittedly only like 2%, 52-48, but ever soIn post 322, MathBlade wrote:Confirming my replace in. I am working so haven’t read.
Anywhere I should read on my break?slightly, this is a scum entrance from MathBlade.
This is basically a scumfession from MathBlade--In post 385, MathBlade wrote:Yay welcome to people who claim to read me yet almost no one on MS can.
What’s new?
I might not have townned it up pre-Saturday, I'd be the first to admit that.In post 389, MathBlade wrote:Mastina is proving herself scum here.
Oh I did. It's the word pattern that makes it a tell.In post 392, MathBlade wrote:If you did an actual analysis versus computation you’d have noticed a common word pattern.
She sure does!In post 402, MathBlade wrote: She has an emotional “tell” to me. That’s not the right phrasing but I can’t think of better.
Hmm.In post 413, Radical Rat wrote:I'm still here, still haven't properly read. My less-busy section of week is approaching and I'll do a proper reading then, pinky swear.
For now though, rough instinct says MathBlade Town.
In post 80, Radical Rat wrote:VOTE: professotic
I can't really quantify it, but it feels like they're playing looking for someone to kill rather than looking for scum. Just the way they're engaging feels... Wrong.
Oh I think I found the third scum on the Bunnyone scumteam!In post 106, Radical Rat wrote:Mastina, where's the Korina read coming from? They've done literally nothing and are getting replaced, so I don't see how they can be anything but null
Btw if you want more proof Math's scum here, remember who Math pushed as scum?In post 423, MathBlade wrote:Don’t worry. I don’t think I will be yeeted this game.In post 422, Past Present Future wrote:So you and Ircher think Math’s town and Roden is the one who’s sr him. Got it.In post 419, MMR wrote:Actually, no.
I reread our Hydra Chat and I was right beforehand.
My memory's bad.
-Rubella
I haven’t heard any self-pitying posts about popularly yet, so I’ll take that as good sign for now. No offence @Math but if you ever do that I’ll yeet you into next week.![]()
eta: just saw MMR’s most recent post, Ircher hasn’t expressed a read.
@Math it’s fine. <3
Call it a good hunch.
I think today goes (barring wild swings) professor wagon dies or maybe not but I won’t join it.
I give professor wagon a 75% chance of collapse here as it seems like a remnant of RVS.
Then we see if theory of scumfluence is right.
Oh you have a fairly good odds of being right on RR but PPF and I are both 100% town and this was not a post made actually expecting there to be a scum within. You thought it was three town so if there's scum in there it's purely coincidental tbh.In post 459, professotic wrote:Let me say this much.
PPF, Mastina and Radical are NEVER all town.
They contain at minimum 1 wolf, I don’t directly think all 3 are wolves but 2 is decently probable.
This is also a bullshit read btw since it doesn't carry through to other slots.In post 464, professotic wrote:Plus they way Klick voted us didn’t feel opportunistic.
Felt like a genuine Townie that was concerned on our slot.
Oh thanks for that, that gives me the info to call
MathBlade's is--his entrance has been designed from the getgo to try and look town and recover the bad position his scumteam is in.In post 480, Maid Cafe wrote:Not in a wolfy way but more they're too prideful to step back from it and it's hard to tell if that's wolf motivated or not as I drum my fingers on the table.