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It would help me to know whether that was people's towngames or scumgames thoughIn post 31, Bell wrote:
Kind of, RH made it clear the game was remade though.In post 30, furtiveglance wrote:Hello. Do we know what people's roles were last game?-
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Tractor, pretty susIn post 32, Herta wrote:
I don't think so. That's why I posted that tractor existed.In post 30, furtiveglance wrote:Hello. Do we know what people's roles were last game?-
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*When you're Mafia with scheming to do*In post 39, Herta wrote:
It's by the silo behind the barn. That's where we all get together to smoke cigarettes and look at dirty magazines.In post 37, furtiveglance wrote:
Tractor, pretty susIn post 32, Herta wrote:
I don't think so. That's why I posted that tractor existed.In post 30, furtiveglance wrote:Hello. Do we know what people's roles were last game?
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This could be a signal actuallyIn post 27, DeasVail wrote:
Sadly not but there was some quite clear signaling last game!In post 22, Frogsterking wrote:Dease and herta signaling each other maybe
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I was a Miller last time, but I also had a roleblocking component to my role.In post 136, Morning Tweet wrote:2 miller-likes claimed so far, both in their first posts. i cant rlly think of anyway to setup spec this, there weren't any negative town utilities last game from what i can tell
Mhm okayIn post 128, Titus wrote:Ok, since Flavia cleared up as best they're comfortable with, I'll make my announcement. The mod said there was a role that checked opposite of their alignment and that's it. So I'm assuming Flavia is a miller. If Flavia is not a miller, we have a godparent.
i like meuh's reaction to being voted by nym and my questioningIn post 121, Meuh wrote:In post 75, Morning Tweet wrote:When you say you r page 1 wasn't fanatastic, what is it that you mean by that?In post 69, Meuh wrote:This is my first time playing as myself in opening pages in a while (played an anonymous game recently but that felt different). I am struggling, I'm just not scum for it. 13 was disingenous because I made it from a want to post more than having something to say, and that's a way that struggle showed. That's partially why Frog's read on me is something I felt satisfied with despite yknow, its wrongness.
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Based on KT's limited posting, I'd like to wait for their replacement rather than mercy-killing the slot before one arrives (which I sometimes advocate for!)
NYM and Frogsterking are my townreads so far.
I think MT's vote on KT is a bit suspicious, and I can see 184 coming from Mafia with not much to say.
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While there are several slots not posting that much 'substantive' stuff, Herta is sort of openly memeing, Andres acknowledged it and said they'd read up, Flavia claimed Miller in a way and I was a Miller last time so that could be true. I feel like MT's vote on KT was more suspicious because it wasn't as self-aware as other people's postsIn post 247, ActionDan wrote:
155 and 156 is sufficient to claim plausible deniability that you outright claimed being a power role. That is my meaning. I interpret 239 to be more of the same. As I'm sure you're well aware, people have a natural inclination to ease up pressure after their target claims a PR because they hope it might be useful in the night or at least can pin down one's actions in utilizing it to aid in scumhunting the person with the PR. This happened with 4 votes on you so this was an attempt (successfully so) to disassemble the budding wagon. The consequence of which enabled you to avoid posting / scumhunting in thread until just now where you've shown up with a renewed vote on you. Likewise, I'm not impressed regarding the justification of the vote and current read on Flavia. In a low volume content game its a blessing they are such an easy townread. They have a join date of 11/1/2022 and clearly act like it. They are trying to interpret exact flavor/verbiage literally and have repeated it in multiple posts (see 57 , 59). Insistence they are scummy is willful ignorance of what is plain as day.Bell wrote:@ActionDan, could you elaborate on what you mean by deniability
Furtive's scumread is based on the vote in post 116, when belies a lack of self awareness since if anything in this thread could be interpreted as a traitor crumb its 37 , and 40. Disclaimer: I think traitor hunting is useless blather to be avoided but if someone is seriously on that boat then I'd expect some introspection; a lack of it makes me think the vote on DeasVail was made with malign intent.
@Furtive, I don't hate your vote on MT but don't find it in any way compelling. Non substantive posting is a dime a dozen in this thread, is there any other reason we should "not ignore" your vote, why do you think MT vote on KT was suspicious?
Besides, it's one thing to ignore me but to then call ME sus.... that's dodgy-
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You sussed me after my vote, which if you're mafia could be in reaction to it. Same goes for Herta. Not self-aware means I'm not scumreading the other users I mentioned for various reasons one of them being self-awareness and I just condensed that thought into one word.In post 266, ActionDan wrote:
I didn't sus you for your vote, but I would like to understand it. I'm not sure what you mean by "not self-aware" as other votes/posts; can you clarify?In post 254, furtiveglance wrote: While there are several slots not posting that much 'substantive' stuff, Herta is sort of openly memeing, Andres acknowledged it and said they'd read up, Flavia claimed Miller in a way and I was a Miller last time so that could be true. I feel like MT's vote on KT was more suspicious because it wasn't as self-aware as other people's posts
Besides, it's one thing to ignore me but to then call ME sus.... that's dodgy
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Hotel sounds cool
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This PM doesn't say that the delegation knew that Bell was an Attache, so I'll assume that they didn't. Which makes VCA slightly useless
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This sounds slightly hair-brained but can you explain how I was dissociating?In post 344, Frogsterking wrote:Hey MariaR I realized that I tunneled your slot D1 but I'm not tunneling it anymore, I just think your slot is super null. Is there any reason you can't out the results of your catchup? Furtiveglance is my main scumread now in big part due to:
VOTE: furtiveglanceIn post 312, furtiveglance wrote:Before the day ends let me say this game feels like original community:
Everyone agreeing that someone is scum but I'm not sure (I was wrong last time)
Frogsterking naming the 3p out of nowhere (correct if wrong but didn't that happen last time)
Furtiveglance is "disassociating"--a psychological construct I don't exactly believe in--in 312-
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I didn't scumread KT.In post 346, Frogsterking wrote:
Why?In post 204, furtiveglance wrote:Based on KT's limited posting, I'd like to wait for their replacement rather than mercy-killing the slot before one arrives (which I sometimes advocate for!)-
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This is a self-towncase in response to being voted, based on voting a Traitor.In post 348, Meuh wrote:I think 265 was a large part of killing Bell
Like look at the shift towards limming Bell, I had a strong role in making it happen. My vote is what made Bell officially the leading wagon and removed momentum from Andres, which was the second biggest wagon-
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Why are you positive? Is that the norm for Traitors on this site?In post 362, ActionDan wrote:
Correct, though I'm almost positive the redacted ability = knowledge of other traitorIn post 358, furtiveglance wrote:This PM doesn't say that the delegation knew that Bell was an Attache, so I'll assume that they didn't. Which makes VCA slightly useless-
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This is a self-towncase in disguiseIn post 350, Meuh wrote:PenguinPower can be town, also placed a good vote on the Bell wagon-
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Quarantine? Do I still get voting rights?In post 353, Frogsterking wrote:VOTE: herta
I'm changing my vote to here as I prefer to kill a full scum rather than a traitor (furtive.) I want Town to win on D4 exactly. I'm down to quarantine furtive for the rest of the game.-
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Why another Traitor?In post 367, ActionDan wrote:Not that I'm aware of, but it makes a lot of sense to me. Granted im making a couple of implicit assumptions like another traitor existing, and that traitors role pm being a carbon copy. Usually in traitor games there's just 1, but I think it would be a nice bone to throw to them considering their inherent weakness and makes for a better game dynamic-
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Ok, but RH did say he'd change the setup in some ways. But point takenIn post 380, Herta wrote:In post 358, furtiveglance wrote:This PM doesn't say that the delegation knew that Bell was an Attache, so I'll assume that they didn't. Which makes VCA slightly useless
Last game scum didn't know the traitors. And there were two of us.In post 364, furtiveglance wrote:
Why are you positive? Is that the norm for Traitors on this site?In post 362, ActionDan wrote:
Correct, though I'm almost positive the redacted ability = knowledge of other traitorIn post 358, furtiveglance wrote:This PM doesn't say that the delegation knew that Bell was an Attache, so I'll assume that they didn't. Which makes VCA slightly useless-
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I've read Enchant wrong pretty much every game I've played with them, can see them as town or mafia really.In post 425, Frogsterking wrote:Furtive, what are your reads on Enchant and MariaR?
MariaR feels a bit like HotD when they replaced into that one (towngame), vote on Meuh looks a bit self-pres but would probably happen as either alignment.-
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How am I being cluelessIn post 449, Enchant wrote:
While i doubt bulletproof claim (but fairly looks like joke), attitude looks genuine overall.In post 447, Frogsterking wrote:
Wizard-mercenary, I mean.In post 446, Frogsterking wrote:because you're a wizard archetype rather than a troll archetype.
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I think ActionDan is Town regardless of thisIn post 455, PenguinPower wrote:okay - you're an uncooperative loud fruit vendor. got it.-
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I don't know whether MT is the type to call their partner transparently town. I guess the 3p and maybe another Traitor could explain confusing associatives between my scumreads.In post 401, Morning Tweet wrote:Took me a awhile to put the words to feelings. Or the other way around.
Meuh seems like transparently town to me
It feels like MariaR is manipulating Meuh's impression of her on prev page. Such is the game though I guess
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A bit less cool than that, I babysat Andres/MariaR thinking it had a good chance to kill them.In post 354, ActionDan wrote:Meuh are you claiming vig who shot Andres/MariaR?
this is too weird of a thought process for scumIn post 374, Meuh wrote:At the time I thought Bell was a traitor so a kill on me was more appealing, paired with good old self-centeredness
and i liike these posts
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Also, I'm now realizing, so MariaR claimed BPV for nothing, no?-
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I think Maria is Town. I'll invite you to read her entrance to House of the Dragon.In post 465, Herta wrote:Vote Maria, Furtive.-
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What is the hotel? I saw it in NYM's thread and I assumed it was just a neighbourhood. Also, Maria needs to claim.In post 468, Frogsterking wrote:VOTE: MariaR
I'm the Hotelier and I adjust the staff protocol of my hotel. I have it set to "night watch" and won't change it for the rest of the game because it gives us the power of like 2 watchers, partially protects me, and functions passively without me (the results are posted by the mod into the hotel thread directly.) So yeah, beat that delegates.
Anyway, last night MariaR visited *someone* in the hotel, aka, MariaR visited N.Y.M last night. I think MariaR is scum by play so I don't believe whatever fake claim.
We're pretty sure that there is scum in the hotel due it's power and I am convinced that player is herta. N.Y.M was sure that herta is scum-in-the-hotel, and I am convinced now due to herta's play today being strictly anti spew. Herta has made like 1 post total in the hotel thread and has been actively avoiding it the entire game.
I *think* the last traitor is furtiveglance and the 3rd party is Meuh but I'm unsure.
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Why can't you just claim who it isIn post 549, MariaR wrote:Meh, happens. I'm waiting for the other person to confirm if I was a wolf I wouldn't hold up the game like this but bleh-
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And you win if in last 2 players?In post 616, Meuh wrote:Fwiw scum can't have also killed Herta. The power I used is this: I can protect a player, but if said player isn't targeted by a kill, I kill them instead.
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I do like ActionDanIn post 839, DeasVail wrote:ActionDan town though-
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That's what I hoped people would thinkIn post 846, DeasVail wrote:Also I’m assuming that furtive’s thing is real and if so I don’t really see anything that could make me think meuh isnotthe option for today-
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*midwestern accent* Well how do ya figure is all?In post 850, Frogsterking wrote:Dease is scum-
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Yeah from this I'd say that 3p doesn't have to die before town win, because Traitor(s) get 'endgamed' if both Delegation die, and 'endgamed' usually implies the end of the game. Quite sad for the 3p. But from the original community's 'Chancellor' (probably been changed now) they seemed to be either townsiding or scumsiding based on who they targeted, so who knows what the 3p wincon is this game.
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I wanted to use my ability and you were my biggest scumreadIn post 903, Meuh wrote:Then why did you duel me?-
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Why are you clearly not maf?In post 904, Meuh wrote:I'm clearly not maf so either you kill a townie or you kill a 3p that doesn't need to die-
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This claim is part of what made me duel you, it seems like you could be gambiting by killing a scumread player to help your claim, as the fact there was only 1 kill is still unexplainedIn post 909, Meuh wrote:Also I killed Herta last night and that's a nonsensical kill for maf to make-
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I know the 1st game was 9/4/1 but why do you think this one is 10/3/1?In post 930, Frogsterking wrote:
OG link viewtopic.php?p=13589331#p13589331In post 928, Frogsterking wrote:
CountingIn post 926, furtiveglance wrote:Where did you get those numbers from ^^?
I messed up though, without 2 traitors setup would be 10/3/1 *-
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reaction gifIn post 940, Frogsterking wrote:
Because you're 3rd party?In post 939, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i mean i dont really care how many traitors there r i just want to murder the groupscumz-
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I wonder why you're asking haha. Time for a trip down memory lane...In post 948, Frogsterking wrote:Furtiveglance can you self-meta your scum game?
Chromavalon (Open 848) I sort of played terribly but it's a weird setup, I just sheeped the Merlins and made it way too obvious who Merlins were. I had the correct solve but teammates disagreed, we lost.
There's Newbie 2093, Val and I sort of half-bussed each other in that but not strongly enough, we lost. That one came down to me not being online at the wrong time in my opinion, some townies right for wrong reasons etc
Deputy Cultists (Open 856) I was a Prime Cultist so I sort of wanted to be voted, but I never was. I tried to be sus but people never voted me for some reason, we lost.
Datisi's Cafe I was Serial Killer with a 1-shot BP, I kinda townsided in terms of day play. Things were going well but then I accidentally smoked the last Mafia towards the end and it made the scumpool too small, I lost.
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Dan cmonIn post 966, ActionDan wrote:I really wish I didn't have to pick. I think I have to go furtive still.-
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Duellist. I do duels (well just one)In post 970, Frogsterking wrote:If Pooky is scum then this is his best performance I've seen I think because I think he's kinda town.
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What is like the gist of the flavor of your role, furtive?-
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It would be counter-intuitive as a scum power, and extremely weak. I'm town.In post 975, Frogsterking wrote:
Huh. Seems like it has some synergy with scum, no?In post 973, furtiveglance wrote:
Duellist. I do duels (well just one)In post 970, Frogsterking wrote:If Pooky is scum then this is his best performance I've seen I think because I think he's kinda town.
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What is like the gist of the flavor of your role, furtive?-
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I'm not a Traitor.In post 987, Frogsterking wrote:
Why would it be those things for a traitor though?In post 986, furtiveglance wrote:
It would be counter-intuitive as a scum power, and extremely weak. I'm town.In post 975, Frogsterking wrote:
Huh. Seems like it has some synergy with scum, no?In post 973, furtiveglance wrote:
Duellist. I do duels (well just one)In post 970, Frogsterking wrote:If Pooky is scum then this is his best performance I've seen I think because I think he's kinda town.
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What is like the gist of the flavor of your role, furtive?
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That kind of win con seems way too hard for a 3pIn post 1025, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
if this guess is right, we lim furtive and his flipped role will confirm meuh as scum and we can yeet her tomm for the winIn post 1024, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:oooh and for the SPICIEST timeline GUESS
and I'm gonna call all the cookies if this guess is right hehehehe:
Meuh is MariaR's Mafia Partner and the game ends if we lim her
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FurtiveGlance is a Government Agent whose role is a Cop Gladiator whose win condition is "if you gladiate the last mafia and win, then you win instead of the town"-
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In post 1026, Frogsterking wrote:
I feel like this is a faux pas within the context of MT's read progression on Meuh's slot.In post 994, Morning Tweet wrote:Town probably would have revealed a roleblock or a protection. I'm kind of leaning towards Meuh purely because we can't explain that coincidence, I guess