Micro 1074: 09:12 - Game Over!

[KittyTacky]

Fuck it we ball.

VOTE: skitter30

E-1 apparently.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Isn't that hammer?

[HighPrincessErinys]

Nah, it is E-1, nevermind.

[Not Known 15]

Please unvote. I want to see skitter reply.

[Abnegation]

i don't think it gets lolhammered but sure.

UNVOTE:

[Not Known 15]

Soo... who is in the POE?
I'm revisiting...

Abnegation, Not Known 15

- confirmed town.

HighPrincessErinys

- Their posting is consistent with someone who thought kowah could be a PR if not scum; reasonable efforts to keep game alive, and probably confusion about the setup... not really hard town tho.

KittyTacky

- Could be scum... if it's really an attempt at a consistent planned Day 1 bus. Really dangerous with all that info town gains from a Day 1 lim on scum, though. If they are scum and would have targeted HPE then it would be legit game over today. But that's unlikely and their ISO more looks like town who found scum and didn't see anything further down the line that would make them consider otherwise.

Kokichi Oma

- ISO is entirely consistent with being Mafia, and kowah's partner. A push on me is also great from their scum POV, all of that checks out.

skitter30

- That's practically the same as above! Maybe a bit more likely to be scum.

KawaiiKame

- Their ISO is mostly consistent with being kowah's partner, only kowah when the lim looked inevitable, and having kowah on the reads list but never voting them before it became obvious that kowah would be the lim. Yes, it is more dangerous to put kowah in your list like this if you are scum this game, but with a certain scum mindset and/or a bungled understanding of the setup(from both kowah and kawaii, far from unlikely), so this can be scum nontheless.

kowah is objectively scummy imo, but the little voice in my head is saying "what if that's limbait town?"

Then we should objectively eliminate Kowah, only way we advance this game is with a Kowah flip
UNVOTE: Abnegation
VOTE: Kowah

This could be the result of kawaii realizing that there are far too many people pushing for kowah for that to be not the lim.
At that point, kawaii, abnegation and kowah were at E-2, with kawaii voting abnegation. Kawaii had no other viable option at that time to avoid their lim; and kowah would have had even lower survival chances the next day if we flipped kawaii. The rolecop would be a town rolecop guilty in two of the 8 scum rolecop setups, and the goon would not. This is consistent with a bus.

The POE is, without a sliver of doubt by me, {Kawaii, skitter, kokichi}

[Not Known 15]

@everyone else: Please also provide your readslists.

[Not Known 15]

KittyTacky
- Could be scum... if it's really an attempt at a consistent planned Day 1 bus. Really dangerous with all that info town gains from a Day 1 lim on scum, though. If they are scum and would have targeted HPE then it would be legit game over today. But that's unlikely and their ISO more looks like town who found scum and didn't see anything further down the line that would make them consider otherwise.

To make this clear... this was also consistent with what I saw in kowah. I never saw a reason to remove kowah from my scumreads - rightly so.

[Not Known 15]

Post your readslists!

[Abnegation]

{abnegation, not known 15}

{highprincesserinys, kittytacky, kawaiikame}

{skitter30, kokichi oma}

[KawaiiKame]

Is skitter/kokichi being scumread with poe?

[Abnegation]

yep.

[KawaiiKame]

VOTE: Kokichi

[SirCakez]

Prodding Kokichi Oma

[HighPrincessErinys]

KawaiiKame
Abnegation
NK15
KittyTacky
Kokichi
skitter30

[HighPrincessErinys]

Still frankly don't get NK15's scum!Kawaii argument but, eh.

[Not Known 15]

Still frankly don't get NK15's scum!Kawaii argument but, eh.

What do you not get?
And why do you not accept that me and abnegation are confirmed town?

[Not Known 15]

Unvote at once.

[Not Known 15]

I have refuted the arguments on kawaii being town. Make counterarguments.

[Abnegation]

erinys, nk15 and i are both confirmed town.
the setup is confirmed to contain 5 vts, 2 town prs, 1 goon, and 1 maf pr. the 2 tprs is what's relevant.
1 tpr has flipped and nk15 is claiming to be the other. the only way nk15 can be scum here is if skitter or kokichi hasn't cced, but even then, claiming pr as last maf here is suicide because it puts you in a 50/50.
i'm even more confirmed town than nk15 is because he claims an inno on me. either he's tracker and it's legit, or he's somehow last maf which would mean i'm not. but nk15 understands mech better than to claim pr as maf in this situation.

[Not Known 15]

I will try to rephrase my thoughts on kawaii.

1. Why would you bus the rolecop?

This is a semi open setup, with 12 setups in total, arranged on a clock. Mafia Rolecop sits on 3 and 9 o'clock.

It appears in setup 2, 3, 4, 8, 9 and 10.
Setup 2 contains a Vanilla Cop, with a guilty on the rolecop and an inno on others if the goon dies. Setups 9 and 10 contain a Town Rolecop, with a hard guilty on the Mafia Rolecop(and innos on others on a goon flip).

This is a massive incentive to save the goon instead of the scum rolecop.

2. Kitty never voted kowah before danger

2 votes on Abnegation, kawaii and Kowah. One of the votes on Abnegation was kawaii. That's when kawaii voted kowah.

3. Shallow push on kowah before

"Feels potentially perfomative" was the only prior

read

on kowah.

4. Lack of PR claim/insistence on claim

Insisting on claim at E-1 is nothing special, just LAMIST. A fakeclaim could have had disastrous consequences to scum due to the gamestate and lack of time. If there was no counterclaim in time we could have ended up with the alternative lim... with 3 votes... kawaii, which would have caused a sure loss for scum kawaii.

With the doctor and babysitter on two of the scum rolecop setups a claim could have helped town protect a PR.

5. Furtive pushed KawaiiKame

Furtive is confirmed (and dead) town.

[KittyTacky]

@everyone else: Please also provide your readslists.

KittyTacky
Abnegation
NK15
HPE
Kawaii
skitter
Kokichi

Mostly on vibes.

[HighPrincessErinys]

This one supposes it's willing to - has to - concede Kawaii isn't AS towny as it thought. The main thing is the discrepancy in voting, as they don't really vote/OMGUS Kowah for the push

or

make any real moves against their other scumread Abne other than some eh-meh votes. That push being a planned bus in these circumstances still just feels inconceivable to it though.

[HighPrincessErinys]

skitter -> Kokichi is still my preferred elim order, THEN Kawaii if need be.

[Kokichi Oma]

sorry i'm here