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hi guys,
just an fyi that i am town, and as such you don't need to worry about sorting my slot. takes it down from 12 players to 11 for y'all so hopefully we can all agree i'm chill and move on.
on another note,
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also i read mini normal 2300 pre-game just to entertain myself and then spotted bristar and gera on the list of players here so hey i've got some sort of town meta to read them off, which is very poggers. tho tbf the biggest thing i learned from reading that is that gera is very likely to not like my style of play/personality so wcyd lol. we'll see tho-
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I gotchu <3In post 18, Elements wrote:
I was going to ask you to come and vote me, but I thought I'd wait for you to turn up first and now you've beaten me to itIn post 13, OopsieDaisy wrote: hi guys,
just an fyi that i am town, and as such you don't need to worry about sorting my slot. takes it down from 12 players to 11 for y'all so hopefully we can all agree i'm chill and move on.
on another note,
VOTE: Elements-
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This is gonna be the easiest mafia game ever lets gooooIn post 20, Hu Tao wrote:
Instant townread. I'm also town so no need to worry about my slot. Takes it from 11 to 10. We got this!In post 13, OopsieDaisy wrote: hi guys,
just an fyi that i am town, and as such you don't need to worry about sorting my slot. takes it down from 12 players to 11 for y'all so hopefully we can all agree i'm chill and move on.
on another note,
VOTE: Elements-
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How come?In post 32, sheepsaysmeep wrote: geraintm is villagery-
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Ok reading between the lines here tells me Bristep is maybe a lil intimidated by the fact that I've read that game and thus have a slight advantage over them in terms of meta knowledge. This pings slightly scummy to me, so I'm gonna persue this read.In post 43, bristep123 wrote: VOTE: Oopsiedaisy
Doing pre-work before the game? Puts us all to shame.
UNVOTE: Elements
VOTE: Bristep
If you think Bristep is currently scum number 1, why haven't you voted there?In post 44, Elements wrote: And you can be scum number 1-
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Ok yea I'm obvs stretching but it's RVS we've gotta start somewhere lolIn post 47, bristep123 wrote: Mental note, don’t attempt humour.-
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Tweet put it better than I could, my read on Bristar is getting gradually worse. I also feel like they're reacting differently then the stoic town Bristar I remember from reading 2300. It seemed like an emotionally motivated move to throw out the "Oh I can't joke now?" post and Bri in 2300 was one of the least emotional players in the game iirc. Again I'm basing this read off of a thread I skimmed through for funsies so if Gera thinks I'm mischaracterising here let me know, but from what I remember this is weird.In post 84, Morning Tweet wrote: I agree with you on that (not exactly a OMGUS but paraphrasing) although it pinged me as slightly scummy that your first reaction was "my post was a joke, I'll try not to joke anymore" as opposed to anything else
Why alter your play because someone found you suspicious? Plus like, you weren't really responding to what oopsy said more so much as reacting dejectedly, maybe to change oopsy's mind. Admittedly what oopsy was arguing was a stretch but i think it would have been relatively easy to argue against-
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In terms of other reads:
I like Towwl and Tweet. Towwl gave us some nice insight in 60 from the large normal he read, and instead of using that insight to ignite a push against a player like I am VS Bri, seeing him use that to cover Hu Tao and CKD from immediate susses is more passive yet is something I still like. Unless Towwl is scum with either of them (which is v possible) I like this play a lot and at this point in the game that's enough to lean town here.
Tweet I'm just on the same page as me so it's natural for me to lean town here. Could she already be setting up to buddy me by following my reads? Definitely. But her follow-up post against Bri in 84 did manage to vocalise a lot of the worries I had on the spot when I got the response I did, and I've liked the rest of her activity, so yea townlean here.
Sheep and Elements have made a lot of posts but I'm still yet to see anything that's pinged me towards town or scum for them. It should also be noted Elements is someone I've played with a lot and so I'm very aware their activity early game isn't really indicative of their alignment.-
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As someone who plays way more irl mafia than forum mafia, where the focus is a lot more on body language and quick cases against other players, I value meta very highly. Obviously in forum mafia the ability to fake your self-meta is a lottt easier because you've only gotta worry about the content and style of your posts rather than all the extra stuff that irl mafia brings, so I do feel I likely value it too highly when in a forum setting, but it's an area I'm familiar with using to build my reads so I'm using that for now.In post 112, Elements wrote: How highly do you value meta Daisy?-
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Also right back at you, how highly do you value meta? I know you've used my meta for and against me a lot but you've also got a lot more forum experience so I'm interested to hear what you think.In post 112, Elements wrote: How highly do you value meta Daisy?-
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That's fair, just in the absence of content that we have in the game right now I appreciate it. By saying this Towwl is showing he has specific knowledge on these players, and by committing to telling us what that knowledge is, he now has to stick by it. Mafia imo wouldn't show their cards as quickly.In post 116, Elements wrote:
Interesting you view it as a town leany thing to do. If anything I think the opposite. All Towwl has done is point out something that happened to two players in a game. It's early day one so there have been hardly any reads going around I need to grab my laptop to type this upIn post 113, OopsieDaisy wrote: In terms of other reads:
I like Towwl and Tweet. Towwl gave us some nice insight in 60 from the large normal he read, and instead of using that insight to ignite a push against a player like I am VS Bri, seeing him use that to cover Hu Tao and CKD from immediate susses is more passive yet is something I still like. Unless Towwl is scum with either of them (which is v possible) I like this play a lot and at this point in the game that's enough to lean town here.-
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Tho I do agree active play > passive play typically, but it always depends on the player. Because I don't know anything about the metas/playstyle of anyone not named Elements/Gera/Bristar in this game I'm not gonna use that as a big point just yet. Especially because we're so early into the game right now.-
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(The knowledge between our play is public, there's an old game from a couple years ago that's the only game played on this account that isn't this one. In that game we were v clear about us playing together, so yea it's public)In post 121, Elements wrote:
It is knowledge that is public, so it's not something special that's been brought up we couldn't have known otherwise.In post 117, OopsieDaisy wrote: That's fair, just in the absence of content that we have in the game right now I appreciate it. By saying this Towwl is showing he has specific knowledge on these players, and by committing to telling us what that knowledge is, he now has to stick by it. Mafia imo wouldn't show their cards as quickly.
Does saying that we know each other well and have played a lot of irl mafia together have the same effect? That's information about two players that the others problaby don't know, and also isn't available for them to find on the site. Therefore potentially showing more cards as it were
The fact that Hu Tao/CKD were heavily pushed and turned out to be town is public info, but his interpretations of the game aren't. Us having played together is an objective fact, but what Towwl took from that game could've been anything from "Hu Tao/CKD played super scummy in that game but happened to be town" to "Hu Tao/CKD were clearly town and yet everyone was hounding them??" to "I have no idea how to read these two someone help me".
I will say tho I just had another read of 64 and I seemed to have decided in my head what Towwl said was subjective when looking back now it *is* just the objective fact of "CKD and Hu Tao both had a lot of people scumreading them in large 243 and both were town".
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You saw the just yet, activity is a thing that I try and talk about when it's an ongoing issue. Yes the speed of this game was an issue on the first few pages, but any of those players could've just be away for a couple days so they've only able to give us lil baby posts so far.In post 122, Elements wrote:
ifIn post 120, OopsieDaisy wrote: Tho I do agree active play > passive play typically, but it always depends on the player. Because I don't know anything about the metas/playstyle of anyone not named Elements/Gera/Bristar in this game I'm not gonna use that as a big point just yet. Especially because we're so early into the game right now.
Active > Passive
most of the time
does it not follow that you should default to that assumption when dealing with players you havn't enountered before until shown otherwise?
Also I've lost a lot of my forum games to just deciding to vote based on activity, so I'm aware it's logic that hasn't worked for me in other games. I wanna be at least a little bit careful about applying that logic broadly to everyone.-
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I still stand by my point. Passivity is a thing that mafia players can lean towards, but it's not a be all end all rule that I wanna be following in terms of my reads. Otherwise you'd be hard town every game because you are always an active player.In post 127, Elements wrote: I mean active as in the content of the posts, not nececarily how often they are.-
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also sorry el but i think i slightly scumread you now. it is incredibly funny to turn the attempt to get me talking about activity into a joke about you trying to get me to read you as town, but i do think there is definitely truth in that joke somewhat and that worries me a tiny bit (and yes you would be this open about it as mafia i know youuu)-
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tho as always you're progressing the game well so i'm not like, calling for a wagon yet or anything, just keeping everyone updated on my read on you following the convo-
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As an fyi for people who want my opinion, this *kind of* checks out. Elements, like me, is someone who wants to push a proactive Day 1, often putting themselves on the line in order to create some form of activity. And you can't pressure someone into a reaction if you vocalise that intention as you vote them, because then they're fully aware of what you're doing.In post 158, Elements wrote:
My day 1 play is to get things to happen. If I say my motivation for doing X is to get things to happen it stops getting things to happen in the same way. So of course I lied, just so happened that this was a provable lieIn post 157, curiouskarmadog wrote: I asked you about your motivations. You lied.
Imagine if on my Bristar vote, instead of picking out an actual tangible reason to vote them, I just said nothing/an off-hand joke/outed the fact I wanted to see what they'd do if I voted em. Would we have seen the "glib" reaction then? Likely not.
On the other hand, yea El straight up lied about their thought process I can absolutely see why you wanna push this. Plus I think El is kinda scummy this game so far so I've no problem with them being a wagon. Just as someone who's played many games with El I don't find it ultra surprising like this is some out-of-character hand caught in the cookie jar moment. The biggest issue I have is El trying to manipulate me into preaching a stance that would benefit them with the activity thing :3-
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any particular reason why? seems to be a hot take right nowIn post 203, DrippingGoofball wrote: bristep also town.-
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watIn post 221, Elements wrote: Oi Daisy-
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dang, was hoping you were gonna come out with some awesome off-the-wall read that was gonna blow this game wide openIn post 223, Elements wrote: Just wanted to say hi :3
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With the current state of the game it's not looking good on you making day 3 lmao, but also someone note this so we can make Elements come up with one if they make it :3In post 225, Elements wrote: It's day 1, wait till day three then I'll have one for you-
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omg emperor look we're twins i also had a lovely and enlightening convo with goof <3In post 206, OopsieDaisy wrote:
any particular reason why? seems to be a hot take right nowIn post 203, DrippingGoofball wrote: bristep also town.-
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Hmm, is the Bristep wagon gonna do anything or should I switch...
Here's my issue, I'm currently stuck between Bri and El as the two people in the game I scumread.
El has much more tangible things to be suspicious of, what with the open manipulation of me with the activity point and the lying about reads thing. But El is being an proactive player today poking/prodding/getting info from other players, and that's a great asset to have in our town.
On the other hand, Bri has less sussy things around em. Sure the out of character response on Page 2 is something, but Bri has essentially chilled out, let the game play on, and not shown their hand too much from there. On the other hand, Bri isn't doing anything to rock the boat bar the Page 2 stuff. With this slot I'm trying to discern if this is scum!bri letting someone else take the pressure/attention, waiting for the wagon to simply peter out, or if this is a town!bri that wants to calm down, recollect themselves, and start sorting through their own reads.-
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Ah jeez I said on the other hand twice in the same paragraph that's kinda cringe-
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It's spread over a bunch of sites, but I think I've played like 10 forum games over the past 10 years, so I average about a game a year lol.In post 256, sheepsaysmeep wrote: daisy how much forum experience do u have-
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Tbf I also play an insane amount of irl mafia so I've been improving massively at mafia over the past few years. Playing usually 2 games every Tues-Thurs for 3 years now (bar the summers). Plus I'm a bit of a tryhard in those and like to spend a lot of time analysing my own play/figuring out how I can handle my weaknesses or embolden my strengths so y'kno, it checks out.In post 260, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
this is wild to me wtfIn post 258, OopsieDaisy wrote:
It's spread over a bunch of sites, but I think I've played like 10 forum games over the past 10 years, so I average about a game a year lol.In post 256, sheepsaysmeep wrote: daisy how much forum experience do u have
But hey thanks for the compliment it means a lot <3 I've got a lotta weaknesses but this kind of Day 1 is my kinda game so I'm having a great time.-
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I agree that it was a genuine comment, but I see it equally coming from a scum!bri who wants to use their previous 4 town games as leverage against the meta-based push. Like fundamentally the reason I'm still here on the wagon is because Bri has done absolutely nothing that has made me think they're town, and has done things that seem scummy to me compared to 2300.In post 265, Morning Tweet wrote: And I also think the "This isn't the time to figure out how I'd play as scum, I've played 4 town games a long time ago" comment was fairly genuine-
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I doIn post 265, Morning Tweet wrote: I think bristep had a defensive tone but him unvoting oopsie and especially accepting Oopsie's characterization of his meta being stoic and unaffected by reads despite that going against what he just did in his first postslikethis, but as much as subjectively I love the fact that Bri has acknowledged my meta read was correct and townreads me for it, this can easily again just be scum buddying up to me. Due to various incidents in the past where I've been prone to getting pocketed by players I originally thought were bad based on these kinds of reactions (El knows) I'm reading it as NAI for now. There's also the fact that when I push someone and they agree with my logic, that's gotta mean I'm at least somewhere close to on the money right?-
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Drip as in like, someone wearing some swaggy clothes? Or is this a forum mafia term I'm not familiar with?In post 277, Hu Tao wrote:
Thoughts on drip?In post 254, OopsieDaisy wrote: Ah jeez I said on the other hand twice in the same paragraph that's kinda cringe
If it's the former yea I love it when people wear the clothes they like and look super drippy in em-
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OOO drippinggoofball I'm silly
Null, no reason to townread or scumread the slot right now. Reads are out there but I'm not gonna put much stock in them until I know the context behind them.-
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Busy right now so can only throw out a short post, Flippy wagon is viable but everyone now trying to depart from the Bri wagon worries me cause I scumlean the slot.-
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Lmao no need to put me down, I figured it out in the following postIn post 301, Hu Tao wrote:
Or you know.. the person with drip in their name..In post 280, OopsieDaisy wrote:
Drip as in like, someone wearing some swaggy clothes? Or is this a forum mafia term I'm not familiar with?In post 277, Hu Tao wrote:
Thoughts on drip?In post 254, OopsieDaisy wrote: Ah jeez I said on the other hand twice in the same paragraph that's kinda cringe
If it's the former yea I love it when people wear the clothes they like and look super drippy in em-
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Also sadly as much as I am suspicious of Bristep, that wagon is petering out and so my vote is ultimately gonna be more useful for us elsewhere.
UNVOTE: Bristep
Train is stopping now, will evaluate the possible wagons properly once I'm home.-
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Yea Tweet hit the nail on the head here. Whilst I feel Bristep is currently the slot I think is most likely to flip scum, the wagon has stagnated and staying on it isn't going to do anything to change/mix-up the state of the game for now.In post 315, Morning Tweet wrote:
Is there anything new with bristep? I feel like him being a top wagon is stalling the game (or is it stalling because he's not reacting?) either way it's not going anywhere.In post 313, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
I think u should come back, it was a top wagon before u unvotedIn post 312, OopsieDaisy wrote: Also sadly as much as I am suspicious of Bristep, that wagon is petering out and so my vote is ultimately gonna be more useful for us elsewhere.
UNVOTE: Bristep
Train is stopping now, will evaluate the possible wagons properly once I'm home.
I'd vote Bristep over DGB or nulls but only at the end of the day
In order to make Day 1 useful, you want to use your votes and reads to make people make decisions, so that later down the line Day 1 can be a useful reference point when trying to figure out who's scum on Day 4/5 or smth.
It's also about making people's early game flips as valuable as possible. If someone who's said like a couple weak reads dies, it doesn't tell us as much compared to if someone who's been strongly pushing x player/hard defending y player/etc. dies. Sure a lot of kills come down to WIFOM but being able to verify whether the source of an opinion is town or scum is obvs super useful.
With this in mind, I'm going to be voting Elements. As I've stated before I'm already suspicious of El due to previous interactions, but I also feel that due to the actions of several players, the info gained from me pushing this will be a good asset for us going forward in the day (yes I'm being deliberately kinda vague here which I don't enjoy, but it's better than playing an open hand and showing scum exactly what I'm looking for).
VOTE: Elements
Should also clarify, this isn't me abandoning the Bristep wagon per se. I just think giving Bristep some space before we start talking about final votes might tell us more about their slot. I wanna see more from them and pushing them hard hasn't given us that "more" so it's worth trying something different whilst we have the space to do so.-
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Hey Fire can you do me a favour and scumread me so that my flip means something if I die in the night? Cause right now everyone bar Karma who's spoken about me has me as a townread and I'm worried that means I'm probably just getting sloshed tonight as a non-controversial mafia kill.In post 347, Firebringer wrote: I claim deathproof cop with a n0 guilty on
Hu Tao
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I was originally gonna hound STD with questions about this since it came right after my post that imo had some strong logic for ditching the Bri wagon and hopping onto El (or well, just someone more active than Bri), but STD said they'd look into El too so I'm just noting my feelings about this for now and we'll circle back in a few days if STD decides to try and get by without looking into El.In post 337, Save The Dragons wrote: i'm disappointed no one laughed at my "meh"-taverse joke.
VOTE: bristep for now but i want to take a closer look at Elements too. I still prefer Hu Tao but I don't know if that's happening.-
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Sorryyy I'm just stuck on the El/Bri sus reads right now. It's one of those wagons I'd vote if like, it was townreads or nulls as the current top wagons, but because the big wagons right now are El/Bri (I don't know who else is big it's been a while since the last VC and my memory is bad) I don't wanna change that until something about my reads changes.In post 358, towwl wrote:
Everybody is saying the EFN wagon is viable but refusing to hop on. Feeling very lonelyIn post 357, Elements wrote: I like your EFN reasonsing too, I'll hop on that if the wagon grows-
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One question I have Karma.
You state here that the meta matters with your read on El, where if they made up reads in other games that would affect your read on them. (at least that's what i'm getting from this post lemme know if i'm wrong)In post 155, curiouskarmadog wrote: see, NOW this is where a meta comes in.
if I go back and read your other games, will I find Day 1 read to be 80% made up?
Then, in 205 I state that I am fairly unsurprised to see that El had lied about her read on you, as this matches up decently well with the meta I have of her. Alongside this, in 227 Tweet states her meta read on Elements sees her flaking out as scum. At that point in the day, Elements was one of the most active posters in the town and thus a scum!el world contradicts Tweet's meta read.
Despite this, I've seen zero acknowledgement of either of these meta reads in your analysis. You did talk about 205 in your 294, but all your comment here tells me is how hard focused you are on getting the wagon going through brute force and pressure rather than talking about the things that at the time were standing in the way of your wagon (Meta reads, El's proactivity being good to keep in the game, etc.).
^^ this is the quote I'm talking about.In post 296, curiouskarmadog wrote: 205, OD says she would have no problem joining element wagon, but stays on the Bris wagon for....what was the reason (need to look up)
I'll also answer the question here again even tho I've talked about this at length, as iirc Karma didn't like people pointing them to previous posts - Bri was someone I scumread harder because there weren't any strong counterpoints to the Bristar wagon. Bristar wasn't playing proactively, Bristar's meta painted their slot in a harsh scummy light as their town play was known to be stoic/unemotional (and yet reacted with some bite at my RVS vote), etc. The Elements wagon was tempting, but the proactive nature of Elements' play made me want to keep my vote away from El at the time. Obvs that has changed now, but that's due to the Bristar slot going cold, so any push there isn't gonna be bringing the town new info.
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Hiii, I'm asking the new players to sus read me because most people in the game have been townreading me, so you should spice it up for usIn post 372, HighPrincessErinys wrote: Hellooooo. This one just woke up and is already having kind of a bad day for external reasons, but please do send me posts and summaries and it'll try to catch up and analyze when it can.
(Also your slot was pretty inactive and played against their town meta so you're currently high on my scum list, it's like a perfect set-up for a 1v1 :3)-
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I don't exactly know what "a pregame" means but if you mean I read a game that a couple players from this game were in accidentally (legit just picked the most recent mini norm cause I was bored), then realised I was gonna be in a game with them so used my reading to form a meta on their slots as they were both town, then yes I did pregameIn post 376, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Pardon me, but didn't you say your town meta on that slot was... a pregame?In post 375, OopsieDaisy wrote: (Also your slot was pretty inactive and played against their town meta so you're currently high on my scum list, it's like a perfect set-up for a 1v1 :3)-
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Very inactive/passive slot. Bri didn't make any concrete pushes whatsoever. The only strong read I remember them bringing up was that I was town for pushing them and that my meta read on them from the pregame was in fact correct.In post 378, HighPrincessErinys wrote: That is an embarrassing entrance but this one is just going to blame the bullshit it's grandpa has decided to put it through. Either way, lol lmao "a pre-game?" aside, this one doesn't put much stock into meta it has not directly played with. Could you perhaps tell me any non-meta reasons for a Bristep sus?-
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And hey if Bri's agreeing with my logic there, it doesn't look great for em-
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for the record I kinda do, but that's just cause when someone becomes aggressive towards me I become uncomfortable and will thus try and avoid future interactions with said aggression. I've got soft skin so just try and tread carefully around me please lol. I feel like I don't need to get into how me avoiding interactions with other players makes the game harder to play out for everyone (since less info would end up in the game).In post 386, curiouskarmadog wrote: who cares if I am aggressive?-
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Unfortunately the games I'm thinking of are irl/audio-based games, and there exists no recording of those. So yea, rip lmao. Elements can attest to the fact I've been playing that form of mafia with her for like three years now but if that's not enough for you (which it looks like it won't be cause I can't bring any hard evidence to the table), fair enough. Just know that the meta read I have on Elements will factor into how I read her.In post 388, curiouskarmadog wrote: I havent had time to any meta. if you noticed I didnt post for the longest of time and JUST got caught up. is there a particular game of Elements you think would be good for me to read?
At the end of the day, if the game you have found for Elements doesnt show her lying about why she thinks someone is town Day 1 just to get it started...and then attempt back tracking on said read....it wont be that convincing.
now that Bris as replaced out...thoughts?
Also I'm on the Elements wagon now, I think it's definitely worth exploring since Bri's slot has just been replaced and we've got a bit of time before wagons become more committal.
My questions have been more to try and get a read on you since I agree with Elements on the fact that I feel you've been very tunneled on their slot, and your reads on others have been based on the assumption that your wagon is the correct one to be on and thus anyone resisting it/not voting on it becomes an enemy. If you don't feel you're playing this way that's ok, it's just my current read on your slot. I do read you as town because of this though, as it's the kind of passionate play that I find town making a lot more often than scum.
And replying to your point about aggression, yea I think you're ok right now. It's just I wanted to make you (and everyone else) aware of how I get around aggression so we don't run into any issues with it in future days.
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wait i just realised firebringer is gonna destroy me, i lose the type matchup-
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Sleep Powder OPIn post 405, Firebringer wrote: Idk i think all the word walls u and a few others are doing might put me to sleep so think u have a good chance of whittling down my health while im snoozing.
I'm just invested, and when I'm invested I post like a madwoman-
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How come? It's in my top 2 favourite wagons right nowIn post 408, Firebringer wrote:
seems like a bad wagonIn post 402, Thestatusquo wrote: HighPrincessErinys [ 3 ] sheepsaysmeep, geraintm, Save the Dragons-
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My vote has been on your slot the majority of the day, I'm just exploring more options right now because I wanna see if that helps inform some of my reads.In post 410, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
You don't seem so willing to vote for me despite being a top 2 scumread, though.In post 409, OopsieDaisy wrote:
How come? It's in my top 2 favourite wagons right nowIn post 408, Firebringer wrote:
seems like a bad wagonIn post 402, Thestatusquo wrote: HighPrincessErinys [ 3 ] sheepsaysmeep, geraintm, Save the Dragons-
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(which tbf it already has :3)-
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These sentences seem contradictory to me. There's the meta contrast and then the fact that he proceeded to respond to the push by reading me town for it and giving basically nothing else to the game. That's what there is to go off of.In post 415, Morning Tweet wrote:In post 381, OopsieDaisy wrote: And hey if Bri's agreeing with my logic there, it doesn't look great for em
The only thing bri admitted to was typically being a stoic player, which was a little bit of a contrast to how pushing him seemed to bother him early this gameIn post 382, HighPrincessErinys wrote:
Yeah that's uh... Why the hell did he DO that?? Damn.In post 381, OopsieDaisy wrote: And hey if Bri's agreeing with my logic there, it doesn't look great for em
Bristep could be scum there's nothing really to go off of
I'm suspicious of both Erinys (due to Bristar) and Elements and want one of them voted out today. The Emperor wagon is fine, I'm not gonna be offended if it happens cause Emperor isn't giving us much in the way of activity at all and I read the slot null, but that flip is gonna tell us a lot less than an Erinys or Elements one imo.-
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Tho at least me vocalising not particularly wanting an Emperor wagon is already something so hey it might be worth it in a couple days-
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I do feel that because the wagon on Erinys' slot has been going on longer, people have had to make more decisions around it. Though yeah getting more info from the flip would involve really looking into who was silently against it as I think only DGB vocalised that she didn't like the Bri wagon.In post 420, towwl wrote:
Bristar hasn't given us much in the way of activity either; in fact, even less. I'm not convinced that a bri/hpe flip necessarily tells us any more than an Emperor flip. IMO there's more texture to the reads that people have given to Emperor. hpe's slot has been basically just SR'd by everybody the whole game. There's not a lot to go off of there. (Though I do agree with DGB that hpe has felt scummy).In post 416, OopsieDaisy wrote: The Emperor wagon is fine, I'm not gonna be offended if it happens cause Emperor isn't giving us much in the way of activity at all and I read the slot null, but that flip is gonna tell us a lot less than an Erinys or Elements one imo.
There's a lot to work from with an Elements flip as Elements has commented on basically everybody and basically everybody has commented on Elements, but at the same time I feel like I've seen more arguments from you as to why Elements is town rather than scum lately, particularly in 372. Also your reasoning for your current push on Elements has been mainly focused on game progression rather than a strong belief that Elements is scum (326). I'm not convinced that you're convinced of the Elements wagon.
It's tricky, cause my brain is telling me to vote Elements with my slight scumread + game progression reasons. I do think this is a really strong vote to push the game forward and to make this Day 1 mean something.
However my heart is stuck on the Bri/Erinys slot. It's just I can't put aside how scummy I felt Bri was playing, and Erinys hasn't done anything to bump my read back up from where it was pre-replacement.
The Hu Tao read on Tweet was weird, three people jumping straight onto voting them is weirder (including someone who I think is a baller vote and kinda sussy). I think this could be a wagon that scum are seeing as a bit of a get out of jail free card to escape Day 1. But obvs I'm biased in this assessment with the reads I've been pushing all game on Bri/Erinys & Elements.-
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Yea this is pinging me a lot more in regards to the Hu Tao slot, I don't see how CKD's play is a 180 from their last game together (i read a lil bit of it pregame as well :3).In post 438, curiouskarmadog wrote:
180 you say? How so....like exactly how? This is easy to say, but how exactly? this is funny, because in Day 1 (in that game), you joined scum in voting me because I started attacking someone early who I felt was scum.In post 425, Hu Tao wrote:
This wasn't addressed to me but I feel your play is a 180⁰ from last game. So it borderline makes me want to vote you.In post 391, curiouskarmadog wrote: OD, do you feel I am being aggressive? Seriously?
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I'm also concerned about a possible STD/Elements pairing. STD's vote onto Bristar just as I switch onto the Elements wagon seemed like he was trying to take pressure off of the Elements slot, and now the naked votes from both of them flying onto Hu Tao is also ringing alarm bells.-
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Yeah the Elements wagon is dead at this point, let's make my vote useful again.
UNVOTE: Elements
VOTE: HighPrincessErinys
I think Hu Tao is playing scummy but the way this wagon has gone from 0-4 votes in a page just stinks to me, alongside one of my scumreads openly endorsing it. Gonna stick with my gut read that Bristar was scum.-
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Also since we're gonna be getting near the point soon, could we announce intents to hammer before we do so the players have a chance to claim? Or is that not something people are a fan of?-
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That's good to hearIn post 455, towwl wrote:
That’s standard procedureIn post 454, OopsieDaisy wrote: Also since we're gonna be getting near the point soon, could we announce intents to hammer before we do so the players have a chance to claim? Or is that not something people are a fan of?-
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