mystery box of silver 15: i'm killing hostages (negotiated)

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Gut has a backup too, so if everyone's like "no! no!" the backup comes into play and then everyone will be mad at me.

[HighPrincessErinys]

Can we flip RCE

then

you do a funny gut moment? Please?

[MUSHSHAGANA]

RCE is my brainsolve. I think it goes red but feel it goes green.

Anyway, you don't need my vote for RCE.

[Meuh]

Awe I wanted a spicier take

[Meuh]

Anyway, you don't need my vote for RCE.

But the quicker RCE gets limmed the less time there is for Tommy to kill us all

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I'm not worried about Tommy particularly. He's hitting LHF slots, aside from Pooky-slot, so Mr. Edman and I are, for now, loosely on the same side. A dead hostage, no matter who, probably helps me lean towards gut-solve or brain-solve in the current gamestate.

[Meuh]

Nah I disagree at this point in the game honestly. Earlier on I think it made sense to just have the POE narrowed and be able to gauge some obvious wolves based on who got killed, but at this point we have up to 9 (I think? We're 11 so that would be 9 until final 2) kills that can hit scum and we should maximize the amount of them that go through

[Meuh]

There was some merit in the modkills earlier in the game but at this point we should just choose "kill from which scum can die" over "kill from which scum can't die" every time

[Meuh]

Even with the point on LHF, if you think clearing them out is neutral/positive:

schadd has bad reads

it's just not worth taking the risk here

[DkKoba]

idk schadd killed a mafia id say his reads are p good

[DkKoba]

since he isn't allowed to kill mafia and all that normally

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Oh, it's not about POE or scum not dying. It's just a matter of clarifying my position, because every slot left in the game either is a safe bet to survive an Edman dinger under any circumstances or falls into the gut/brain camps. It's a terrible decision making process, but I'm torn enough that terrible is better than none.

I don't really care that much. My vote is unimportant right now. Edman isn't going to lose town the game at this point, we have to do that. There's literally one red slot left.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

If people want to just crush RCE, they can do that without me.

[Meuh]

I just don't think we should get complacent. The quiet gamestate and potentially losing a bunch of townies to Edman is like, our main path to a loss and getting a lim through helps with both of those things?

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I don't disagree on gamestate. But an Edman dinger-spree is unlikely. And again, if town is dependent on my vote in a 1v10, it means town is fragmented as hell and getting agreement is going to be pulling teeth anyway. I might as well put that weight behind my preference.

A preference that, I will remind you, is what you specifically requested. You said what you wanted and that's what you got, and now you don't like it. That's definitely not my problem.

[Meuh]

I don't disagree on gamestate. But an Edman dinger-spree is

unlikely

. And again,

if

town is dependent on my vote in a 1v10, it means town is fragmented as hell and getting agreement is going to be pulling teeth anyway. I might as well put that weight behind my preference.

The thing is that both of those "ifs" point to scenarios in which town is in a bad state: the main scenarios in which we actually have a shot at losing. We should aim to make the game as winnable as possible in those scenarios. In the good scenarios, your vote doesn't matter but nothing does cause we win anyways! In the bad scenarios it does matter and pushes us in a good direction (which you've agreed with me on), so you should vote.

[Meuh]

A preference that, I will remind you, is what you specifically requested. You said what you wanted and that's what you got, and now you don't like it. That's definitely not my problem.

This is just unhelpful. :/

I figured there was a good chance I was the gutread in question but I wanted a fresh view of the game, some new wind in the discussion. I suppose a scumread on me is more revolutionary than one on RCE but it's not really the shakeup I was looking for anyways.
I'm fine with being limmed at some point (there's enough scumreads on me to justify it) but that's irrelevant to me wanting you to vote RCE. Your gut could be telling you it's Dannflor and I'd still be nudging you to vote RCE cause it's just +town to do in this gamestate

[MUSHSHAGANA]

If the town is fragmented, I want to see evidence of that before I try unifying it. I don't see that evidence, I saw everyone immediately voting RCE when I woke up today.

I see my vote and Dannflor's are off-wagon. That's seven of eleven votes. So, four votes that simply aren't being placed -- okay, sure, sheep isn't here, but there's three players that could still vote. Notably, my vote changing alone would change nothing. You'd be E-1 on RCE, and you'd need to get one of those three or change Dannflor's mind even if you DID convince me. Let me stress: my vote is meaningless regardless of gamestate right now. Why focus so hard on it? What suggests fragmentation to you in such a rapidly unified town? Why didn't you react the same to Dannflor's vote?

[SirCakez]

I think we should just go for elims instead of Tommy Edman kills w only one mafia left

[DkKoba]

we are 4/5 down im autopiloting until someone im pushing actually pushes back

[DkKoba]

(or well, until effort is warrented)

[Ranger]

VOTE: RCEnigma

P U R G E

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I think we should just go for elims instead of Tommy Edman kills w only one mafia left

I'm not going for Edman dingers, because they can't even hit scum this dayphase. I'm going for my preferred elimination. If the town is so fragmented it can't hit a different one without me before a dinger comes by, that's a problem, but it's not my problem until I see that become the case, and if it does I'll be able to decide on a solve and probably get motivation to push it.

Right now, I don't see that. I see a wagon on the move. So I'm curious what Meuh's excuse for worrying about my vote but not Dannflor's is.

[schadd_]

Spoiler:

final vote count

RCEnigma (6):

DkKoba, HighPrincessErinys, SirCakez, Save The Dragons, Meuh, Ranger

Meuh (2):

Dannflor, MUSHSHAGANA

sicko mode (0):

not voting (3):

Skygazer, RCEnigma, sheepsaysmeep

with 11 alive, it took 6 to mail someone's fossil. the game ends when you make it end.

[schadd_]

um so my records have rcenigma as a mafia goon. which means that like the game is over. and stuff. my records also have petapan posthumously losing.