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[heipizhu4]

VC 4.1

Vote Count 4.1

Dannflor (1 = E-1): Dunnstral
Dunnstral (1= E-1): Dannflor
Not voting (1): KittyTacky

With 3 players alive, it takes 2 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-10-15 10:41:55)

[KittyTacky]

I'll think about it today.

[Dannflor]

I don’t know why but being the unconfirmed townie in an F3 feels way less fun than being scum in an F3

[KittyTacky]

Ugh I really don't know.

I still TR Dunn. But Dann was really convincing.

God.

[Dannflor]

I guess one thing I will say is that I’ve made the wrong choice as town in F3 a lot

Like way more than I have made the right choice

And my hunch is that town probably lose F3s way more than they win them (i have no statistical evidence to back this up) because usually when a game lasts that long scum have a ton of time to plan the optimal F3 for them. It doesn’t always work out exactly like that but usually scum take at least one person into end game that they know will be favorable for them

In PYP i took kitten around because I knew I could get her to town read me

I didn’t worry that it might be seen as the “easy end game” for me a scum, because it was way better to just take the easy end game

Dunnstral killing Gamma here feels the same. Yes, it feels like it might be *too obvious* to kill the not quite confirmed townie over the confirmed townie, but KittyTacky was undeniably leaning towards voting me over Dunnstral at the end of yesterday. The argument for me killing Gamma is way weaker than the argument for Dunnstral. It is simply Dunnstral’s easiest end game.

I realize you can reduce that to WIFOM. But if you look at what scum are just empirically more likely to do, it’s take the easier end game for themselves. It’s what I would do. And i think it’s very clear who this end game was designed for

[Dannflor]

but regardless, this end game was also designed to be good for dunnstral so i won’t be mad if you get it wrong here kitty, I should’ve scrutinized him harder earlier in the game too

[Dunnstral]

If KittyTacky dies over Gamma we are left with Gamma who says they don't think I am mafia and they vote out Dannflor.

By killing Gamma Dannflor gets to play up the wifom about how it is so different and they'd h ave no motive etc.

Basically they did something that looks silly because they believed themself to be in a rough position in order to try to create enough doubt to win.

Dannflor has no easy end game here.

[Dannflor]

gamma at the very least town read me at one point in this game and i have a much more established repertoire with her in this game

Gamma also didn’t make it clear where they stood on me recently

Kitty made it very clear

[Dannflor]

Dannflor has no easy end game here.

I mean, this is also part of what I’m saying

Who looks like they played more to look good in end game

[Dannflor]

infinity paying lip service to the idea of reconsidering my slot but instead pushing purplemango feels ????

I don’t vibe with Dunn’s push on Gamma

I think it’s reasonable to see people pushing someone you know is a conftown and often LHF and conclude that scum is likely to be pushing there even if you have no other evidence

dunn/purple maybe

It's not clear how you got here. Also Dann is right, you did say you were going to reconsider Dann in 381, and then again in 403, but then say you don't think they are mafia. And this seems to be without actually doing any reconsideration.

Going back to 259, I think your vote and reasoning here are suspicious.

VOTE: Infinity 324

[Dannflor]

btw this is the sequence of events

Infinity is at e-2 and dunn’s pushes on other slots like Gamma are going nowhere so he collapses on his buddy who is looking likely to be the elim

[Dannflor]

I then unvote and post this

I'm having strong doubts that infinity is scum

If my goal is to save my scum buddy

Why do i never post any reasons or a case

The reason was because i was a genuinely lost townie

My agenda was not to save infinity, i express doubt at a time that makes me look awful if infinity flips scum

[Dannflor]

Like i know it looks bad on a surface level but what am i actually doing here if scum

It’s definitely not trying to save infinity

It’s definitely not bus infinity for town cred

I’m just waffling for no reason and uh you could say i did if for the WIFOM but literally anything else I could’ve done would’ve given me more benefit as scum

[Dunnstral]

If Infinity got eliminated without claiming you would have been in auto loss.

[KittyTacky]

I don't have a good track record in final 3s as town. I think I lost the game for town twice? But I might be misremembering.

[KittyTacky]

Bweh. I'll eat and then make a decision. Won't make yall and the dead chat wait more.

[Dannflor]

[Dunnstral]

[KittyTacky]

Yeah I ended up not being sure. Gimme a bit.

[KittyTacky]

You know, I think Dannflor is right. He doesn't strike me as a very WIFOM-y player from what I remember. Ugh. And the point about Dunn looking a bit deepwolfy makes sense.

Spoiler: KittyHammer gif

Sorry if I was wrong here Dunn.

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Dunnstral]

I suppose I underestimated KittyTacky.

[heipizhu4]

VC 4.FINAL

Vote Count 4.FIANL

Dunnstral (Eliminated): Dannflor, KittyTacky
Dannflor (1 = E-1): Dunnstral

With 3 players alive, it takes 2 votes to secure an elimination.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2023-10-15 10:41:55)

[heipizhu4]

Dunnstral has been eliminated. They are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

Spoiler: Role PM

Mafia Rolecop

Welcome, Dunnstral, to Open 884!

You are a

Mafia Rolecop

.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.

Vanilla Townies

and

Mafia Goons

will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You and your partner, Infinity 324, share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You may commit the kill and perform a role cop in the same night phase. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Congrats to the town team of KittyTacky, Dannflor, Cook, Generic, Purplemango and Gamma Emerald for winning this game!

[heipizhu4]

Night actions:
N1
Kitty friendly neighbored Gamma
Mr.K tracked Gamma
Dunnstral kills OopsieDaisy
Dunnstral Rolecops KittyTacky

N2:
Dunnstral kills Mr. K
Dunnstral rolecops Dannflor
Mr.K targets Purplemango
KittyTacky targets Flavor Leaf (???)

N3:
Dunnstral kills Gamma Emerald
KittyTacky friendly neighbors Dunnstral

[heipizhu4]

The moderation I made in the game is that I failed to point out that KittyTacky had chosen a player outside the player list to send a friendly neighbor message and I literally sent Flavor Leaf a fn message. (But the good news is, Kitty is almost 100% comfirmed fn, so it doesn't matter that much)