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I'll think about it today.- Dannflor
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I don’t know why but being the unconfirmed townie in an F3 feels way less fun than being scum in an F3- KittyTacky
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Ugh I really don't know.
I still TR Dunn. But Dann was really convincing.
God.- Dannflor
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I guess one thing I will say is that I’ve made the wrong choice as town in F3 a lot
Like way more than I have made the right choice
And my hunch is that town probably lose F3s way more than they win them (i have no statistical evidence to back this up) because usually when a game lasts that long scum have a ton of time to plan the optimal F3 for them. It doesn’t always work out exactly like that but usually scum take at least one person into end game that they know will be favorable for them
In PYP i took kitten around because I knew I could get her to town read me
I didn’t worry that it might be seen as the “easy end game” for me a scum, because it was way better to just take the easy end game
Dunnstral killing Gamma here feels the same. Yes, it feels like it might be *too obvious* to kill the not quite confirmed townie over the confirmed townie, but KittyTacky was undeniably leaning towards voting me over Dunnstral at the end of yesterday. The argument for me killing Gamma is way weaker than the argument for Dunnstral. It is simply Dunnstral’s easiest end game.
I realize you can reduce that to WIFOM. But if you look at what scum are just empirically more likely to do, it’s take the easier end game for themselves. It’s what I would do. And i think it’s very clear who this end game was designed for- Dannflor
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but regardless, this end game was also designed to be good for dunnstral so i won’t be mad if you get it wrong here kitty, I should’ve scrutinized him harder earlier in the game too- Dunnstral
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If KittyTacky dies over Gamma we are left with Gamma who says they don't think I am mafia and they vote out Dannflor.
By killing Gamma Dannflor gets to play up the wifom about how it is so different and they'd h ave no motive etc.
Basically they did something that looks silly because they believed themself to be in a rough position in order to try to create enough doubt to win.
Dannflor has no easy end game here.- Dannflor
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gamma at the very least town read me at one point in this game and i have a much more established repertoire with her in this game
Gamma also didn’t make it clear where they stood on me recently
Kitty made it very clear- Dannflor
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I mean, this is also part of what I’m sayingIn post 533, Dunnstral wrote: Dannflor has no easy end game here.
Who looks like they played more to look good in end game- Dannflor
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In post 403, Dannflor wrote: infinity paying lip service to the idea of reconsidering my slot but instead pushing purplemango feels ????In post 404, Dannflor wrote: I don’t vibe with Dunn’s push on Gamma
I think it’s reasonable to see people pushing someone you know is a conftown and often LHF and conclude that scum is likely to be pushing there even if you have no other evidenceIn post 409, Dunnstral wrote:
It's not clear how you got here. Also Dann is right, you did say you were going to reconsider Dann in 381, and then again in 403, but then say you don't think they are mafia. And this seems to be without actually doing any reconsideration.In post 407, Infinity 324 wrote: dunn/purple maybe
Going back to 259, I think your vote and reasoning here are suspicious.
VOTE: Infinity 324- Dannflor
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btw this is the sequence of events
Infinity is at e-2 and dunn’s pushes on other slots like Gamma are going nowhere so he collapses on his buddy who is looking likely to be the elim- Dannflor
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I then unvote and post this
If my goal is to save my scum buddyIn post 442, Dannflor wrote: I'm having strong doubts that infinity is scum
Why do i never post any reasons or a case
The reason was because i was a genuinely lost townie
My agenda was not to save infinity, i express doubt at a time that makes me look awful if infinity flips scum- Dannflor
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Like i know it looks bad on a surface level but what am i actually doing here if scum
It’s definitely not trying to save infinity
It’s definitely not bus infinity for town cred
I’m just waffling for no reason and uh you could say i did if for the WIFOM but literally anything else I could’ve done would’ve given me more benefit as scum- Dunnstral
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If Infinity got eliminated without claiming you would have been in auto loss.- KittyTacky
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I don't have a good track record in final 3s as town. I think I lost the game for town twice? But I might be misremembering.- KittyTacky
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Bweh. I'll eat and then make a decision. Won't make yall and the dead chat wait more.- Dannflor
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Yeah I ended up not being sure. Gimme a bit.- KittyTacky
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You know, I think Dannflor is right. He doesn't strike me as a very WIFOM-y player from what I remember. Ugh. And the point about Dunn looking a bit deepwolfy makes sense.
Spoiler: KittyHammer gif
Sorry if I was wrong here Dunn.
VOTE: Dunnstral- Dunnstral
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Dunnstral has been eliminated. They are a.Mafia Rolecop
Spoiler: Role PMCongrats to the town team of KittyTacky, Dannflor, Cook, Generic, Purplemango and Gamma Emerald for winning this game!-
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Night actions:
N1
Kitty friendly neighbored Gamma
Mr.K tracked Gamma
Dunnstral kills OopsieDaisy
Dunnstral Rolecops KittyTacky
N2:
Dunnstral kills Mr. K
Dunnstral rolecops Dannflor
Mr.K targets Purplemango
KittyTacky targets Flavor Leaf (???)
N3:
Dunnstral kills Gamma Emerald
KittyTacky friendly neighbors Dunnstral-
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The moderation I made in the game is that I failed to point out that KittyTacky had chosen a player outside the player list to send a friendly neighbor message and I literally sent Flavor Leaf a fn message. (But the good news is, Kitty is almost 100% comfirmed fn, so it doesn't matter that much)
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