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[Enchant]

Idk i am bad at elos

[AnimatedWiz]

One last note: Shea’s been consistently off the eliminating wagons since D1 until OWER—I may have been wrong about some of the wagons, but Shea has barely cast any votes at all.

I really do think Shea has been trying to slip under the radar and not make waves—to avoid any associations at all and therefore not have anything tying him to the flipped scum at ELO.

If Enchant and OWER’s crossvote is town-indicative, and my repeated crossvotes with OWER are also town-indicative, one person is left without that. Shea.

This is a disingenuous argument. You've read my scum games and you know that's not how I play as scum. Enchant has played with scum me too and knows that I'm not shy about voting or being on wagons as scum.

And yet during my scum game, I was very afraid to post reads and have associations, which I’ve done my best to show is not the case in this game. Enchant has also been playing the game differently from when I last played with them—far more talkative.

We all have changed behavior from previous games, so I can’t rely on that to indicate anything at this point.

[AnimatedWiz]

What motivation has OWEN to suicide on me previous day and for Mafia!Shea to vote OWEN first?
What motivation has OWEN to suicide on me previous day and for mafia!Animated to hammer OWEN?

I think OWER knew he was the most likely elimination for the next day—it makes sense to bus him at the end to give the last scum towncred. The only issue is that us three all voted for him in the end.

[Thestatusquo]

I think the motivation for both is the same tbh.

In both worlds if they think ower is going down anyway they might as well be on the wagon for credit.

Ani even played that angle up with AtE.

Ugh, but if I stall on OWER’s elimination, people could claim I’ve been bussing all game until the end when my true partnership is suddenly revealed.

This is awful. I hate being a deciding vote in these kinds of situations—so many factors to weigh.

[AnimatedWiz]

There is very little concrete info to go off here, I fear—mostly just reads and interpretations of how people have acted all game.

I think Shea’s lack of interaction and lurking is suspicious.

Shea thinks my constant interaction and changing votes is suspicious.

Neither reason is ironclad—it’s just up to what you feel is more scum-indicative. We just both agree that it’s less likely to be Enchant than the other one.

[AnimatedWiz]

I mean, the fact that Enchant hasn’t hammered yet is good proof of being town, right? So at least we’re both correct about that.

[Enchant]

I mean, the fact that Enchant hasn’t hammered yet is good proof of being town, right? So at least we’re both correct about that.

[AnimatedWiz]

I do feel like the confusing kills and tactics make sense for mafia!Shea—lurking helps prevent being investigated (which is important for a Mafia PR if there’s a Neapolitan or something), and also means that at the end we have a hard time tying down associations.

Additionally, Shea knew people had been suspicious in the past, since THS tried to shoot him N1—would likely mean he would want to mitigate any future attention since he was barely saved.

[AnimatedWiz]

I mean, the fact that Enchant hasn’t hammered yet is good proof of being town, right? So at least we’re both correct about that.

Oh, don’t play with your food.

[Enchant]

I am not.

[AnimatedWiz]

That’s amazing news, then. Glad I didn’t get too swept up in scumreading you.

[Enchant]

You know each other alignments, so dig some dirt while i take nap.

[AnimatedWiz]

Gotcha—will likely be a while due to work, but I should have a full argument by the end of the night.

[AnimatedWiz]

Shea’s Actions

D1

Spoiler: Early Manipulation

Shea took my initial distrust of Wartortle and used it to build a wagon—I think that 413 sticks out to me as a weird post looking back, because it does benefit scum!Shea to call me town there. It gives him a plausible reason to push Wartortle, since Wartortle and I are scumreading each other.

Shea also claimed his push on Wartortle was based a lot on how Wartortle was acting and claimed he was lying about being new to MafiaScum (371). Shea then gets extremely defensive and claims that people aren’t engaging with his arguments when BlackStar doesn’t buy it (470). This is a tactic he has used multiple times when people don’t agree with him—claiming someone isn’t actually answering his position and that they’re just trying to look busy or bad at the game.

BlackStar is later on a target for Shea (503), which I think is partly because I claim that BlackStar has good intuition but is not good at self-defense (so he’s a good miselim target).

Shea also mentions thinking Roden’s recap is suspicious (661), which I think is another instance of him jumping onto my scumreads.

D2

Spoiler: Weird Aggression

Shea comes into D2 extremely keen to take out Naerys, claiming she had a weird reaction to the flip (826) and is either scum or bad at the game (839). At this point, I’ve still been suspicious of Naerys.

Shea also asks me what my reads are (1009), which feels like more piggybacking on my pushes looking back.

A while after, Shea starts to claim he can’t keep up with the game (1053), which I think is a way to avoid interacting with others that he will use repeatedly.

Shea continues his BlackStar push (1230), and uses the argument of how he doesn’t think BlackStar actually refuted his argument earlier as evidence for his read. I think this is again Shea trying to get rid of someone who is not listening to him.

Shea also notably townreads OWER in 1240. This is a good place to mention how Shea has had no correct reads so far—he only busses his scum buddies when there’s no real excuse for him not to (once BlackStar flips green, OWER being in a crossvote with you).

When Black and I don’t agree with Shea’s points on OWER and BlackStar (1246, 1259, 1293), Shea starts to minimize Black’s arguments (1257, 1264, 1266, 1269, 1285), which matches the earlier pattern—you don’t have to defend with evidence if you make it seem like your opponent is arguing poorly/in poor faith.

This argument continues for a while, and after I note that I don’t think it’s TvT (1308), and that Shea was the scum in that argument (1336).

D3

Spoiler: Sudden Silence

Shea comes into D3 quiet as a mouse, especially after THS claims he attempted to shoot Shea for being suspicious. As soon as Shea makes it clear that he understands that fact (1744), he disappears for 300 posts, only reappearing to actively not vote inside the duo of BlackStar and Python (2008). I think this is due to him realizing people are suspicious of him, and trying to avoid any more attention—and he also avoids having to vote for Python or BlackStar here, so that his hands can be clean of any associations with either.

He says nothing else for the rest of the day.

D4

Spoiler: Lies

Shea then lies and says he wanted to elim Python on D3 (2070), which doesn’t match his previous vote. He also doesn’t vote for Python anyway.

D5

Spoiler: Poor THS

When THS expresses that he trusts the idea of a Roleblocker, Shea tries to shut that down by saying the idea is incomplete (2127) and that THS is somehow not curious enough about the situation (2138).

However, despite now expressing distrust of THS, Shea does not vote for him to keep his hands clean once again.

D6

Spoiler: Set-Up

Shea suddenly changes his tune about the idea of a Roleblocker (2232), and also tries to explain away his absence during the last few days of the game (2240). This feels like him trying to set up for the endgame and get ahead of any arguments put against him.

D7

Spoiler: The Pattern Continues

Shea repeatedly uses the argument that I’m not engaging with his arguments in the way that he thinks is correct (2410, 2416, 2419, 2421, 2423). This is a continuation of the same pattern—trying to minimize the argument of his opponent instead of providing further evidence in his favor.

Shea’s Votes

371 - Wartortle
1238 - BlackStar
1271 - Black
2008 - Naerys
2291 - OutWorldER
2412 - AnimatedWiz

[AnimatedWiz]

That’s my argument on Shea—he has had nothing but inaccurate reads all game, has repeatedly tried to discredit his detractors all game by claiming they are arguing poorly/in bad faith, and switched from being really active to being really quiet right after he found out he was almost killed by a vigilante.

[Thestatusquo]

tbh I don't care enough to put work in here. I think you already know the broad strokes of what I would say anyway. just pick someone I want the game to be over.

[Enchant]

BeSt SoCiAl gAmE

[Enchant]

VOTE: Animated

I don't really know what to say.

If we lose, we lose? Kinda deserved.

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