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This feels like scum trying to rationalize giving their partner a better rating than they should get. Key indicator being the last segment about “enough to keep out of null” conflicts with the actual read.In post 81, Arko wrote:Triggers a bit of scum feelings with me, but otherwise they feel normal townie. Their thoughts to me seem on the townie train of thought... but there have been a bit of things that have pinged scum. I'm not sure about it but there is a non-ignorable chance that it's scum trying to follow a townie-type train of thought without being a parrot or generic. I'm genuinely not sure where to place them, but definitely not enough scum feelings to put in null, and there is enough town to keep them out of null for me.ORAM - Neutral -
Feels like scum pushing their buddy with the express purpose of making their play better. I did the same to Cobblerfone in a recent 9:12 micro openIn post 151, Arko wrote:Generally needs to elaborate more. slightly disliked their predecessor, and I don't know what the actual fuck is going through klick right now. Please, please god elaborate with your thoughtsKlick - Neutral -
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Spoiler: Testarossa Post 480
Not really sure how to format this, so I've just put my answers in bold.
Why do 411 and 417 rub you the wrong way?In post 494, Elements wrote:
Kittie's position is more poe where Thom I think is scumIn post 493, Testarossa wrote: Elements, can you explain your progression from Kittie as town down to your scumreads? Also why do you think that Thom is scum?
the tr of kittie was partly based on her being a newer player giving the benefit of the doubt to some of the "i'll read up in a bit" and "i'm not really sure about anything" vibe posts but then i remembered something either someone said or a game daisy was in where a newb!scum did exactly that just to be under the radar so that faded the bod. Wasn't a fan of the readlist especially the reasoning for the read on you. Generally not done anything that's pinged me as towny since that post i vibed with
Thomith I feel I may be tunneling on because of 107 which I can just see as replacement scum coming in and voting a buddy. I don't think I'll be able to see it a different way unless Thomith flips town.
Skimming Thom's iso I've only just properly clocked that their first vote was on ORAM which has given me pause
That being said 411 and 417 really rub me the wrong way
A lot of the read is based on partner equity
I also don't see why you aren't entertaining the alternative that ORAM/Klick were defending me because I'm Town, so they would look good after my flip? Both of those posts that you think is them buddying with me came when I still had heat on me Day 1.
I find myself agreeing.In post 498, Hu Tao wrote: I like elements, just like I like arko so I don't see myself voting there today
I liked Arko's case on Black, in that the effort did seem town motivated, the same way that Elements' reread posts seem like they are trying to solve for the most part.
My POE at the moment I think is Hu Tao/Gamma - I feel good about them and still think those slots are Town.
I feel pretty good about Elements, but Gamma does make a good point in 502 which makes me not want to fully commit to eliminating them as a suspect. I feel a similar way about Kittiesecret, I feel pretty good but not quite enough to eliminate her yet.
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I was not aware of this contextIn post 505, Thomith wrote: I also don't see why you aren't entertaining the alternative that ORAM/Klick were defending me because I'm Town, so they would look good after my flip? Both of those posts that you think is them buddying with me came when I still had heat on me Day 1.
I'll have another look when I've got timeI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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This might change my view on Klick's post depending on how many were on your wagon at the timeIn post 506, Elements wrote:
I was not aware of this contextIn post 505, Thomith wrote: I also don't see why you aren't entertaining the alternative that ORAM/Klick were defending me because I'm Town, so they would look good after my flip? Both of those posts that you think is them buddying with me came when I still had heat on me Day 1.
I'll have another look when I've got time
I jumped straight to towning a partner rather than reading a town is because in isolation those two posts just seem like passing comments for the sake of making them, rather than defending the person a wagon is on
This is why context is importantI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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I also agree with 502 which is mildly amusingI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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I don't understand most of this? You're saying you think your poe is town? Then why are they your poe?
My POE at the moment I think is Hu Tao/Gamma - I feel good about them and still think those slots are Town.
I feel pretty good about Elements, but Gamma does make a good point in 502 which makes me not want to fully commit to eliminating them as a suspect. I feel a similar way about Kittiesecret, I feel pretty good but not quite enough to eliminate her yet.I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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For full clarity, at the time of the Klick post I believe that people were beginning to leaving my wagon, but still stating suspicion on me but wanting to move onto other reads at that point in time if I remember correctly.In post 507, Elements wrote:
This might change my view on Klick's post depending on how many were on your wagon at the timeIn post 506, Elements wrote:
I was not aware of this contextIn post 505, Thomith wrote: I also don't see why you aren't entertaining the alternative that ORAM/Klick were defending me because I'm Town, so they would look good after my flip? Both of those posts that you think is them buddying with me came when I still had heat on me Day 1.
I'll have another look when I've got time
I jumped straight to towning a partner rather than reading a town is because in isolation those two posts just seem like passing comments for the sake of making them, rather than defending the person a wagon is on
This is why context is important
The ORAM post was when people had begun wagoning me though.-
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I'm new to this terminology , wasn't a thing when I last played.In post 509, Elements wrote:
I don't understand most of this? You're saying you think your poe is town? Then why are they your poe?
My POE at the moment I think is Hu Tao/Gamma - I feel good about them and still think those slots are Town.
I feel pretty good about Elements, but Gamma does make a good point in 502 which makes me not want to fully commit to eliminating them as a suspect. I feel a similar way about Kittiesecret, I feel pretty good but not quite enough to eliminate her yet.
I'm eliminating them from my POE I guess is what I should have said?
Basically I want to eliminate them from the list of people I think could be Mafia.-
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That makes more senseIn post 511, Thomith wrote:
I'm new to this terminology , wasn't a thing when I last played.In post 509, Elements wrote:
I don't understand most of this? You're saying you think your poe is town? Then why are they your poe?
My POE at the moment I think is Hu Tao/Gamma - I feel good about them and still think those slots are Town.
I feel pretty good about Elements, but Gamma does make a good point in 502 which makes me not want to fully commit to eliminating them as a suspect. I feel a similar way about Kittiesecret, I feel pretty good but not quite enough to eliminate her yet.
I'm eliminating them from my POE I guess is what I should have said?
Basically I want to eliminate them from the list of people I think could be Mafia.
I'm used to poe meaning 'I townread everyone else so the red team must be in here'
So the oppositeI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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Slow game huhI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
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We have some time left, so its okay. But we should try to solidify our suspicions.-
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At first with the early black wagon I saw some of your actions on the side of scum, but there has been progression to your play as the game has moved on. you are interrupting information from the questions your asking and reading the situations in the game which are evolving your reads. Very much appears to be a genuine effort to solve.In post 481, Testarossa wrote: In post 475, Kittiesecret wrote:
Testarossa, i feel is genuine in their quest to solve. she is interacting and asking questions. responding and putting forth good theories.
What changed between D1 and D2 though? In 204 you had me as scum and tbh I don't think my play hasn't changed much since then.
While on the other hand I feel like Thom is "doing" the same things but his feel more like for show, there is less substance to his posts. As he tends to focus on people who have had even a sideways glance at him. with out evolution.
I feel a lot better about the Arko/Elements slot. Elements has really put in some good work in the short time thet have been in the game and I appreaciate it.
This case on Thom articulates what I was struggling to say myself.In post 489, Elements wrote: Post Post #489 (ISO) » Sat Dec 02, 2023 11:00 am
Spoiler: ORAM
Spoiler: Klick
Spoiler: Enchant
VOTE: ThomithAlways watching-
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VOTE: ThomithIn post 505, Thomith wrote:Spoiler: Testarossa Post 480
Not really sure how to format this, so I've just put my answers in bold.
Why do 411 and 417 rub you the wrong way?In post 494, Elements wrote:
Kittie's position is more poe where Thom I think is scumIn post 493, Testarossa wrote: Elements, can you explain your progression from Kittie as town down to your scumreads? Also why do you think that Thom is scum?
the tr of kittie was partly based on her being a newer player giving the benefit of the doubt to some of the "i'll read up in a bit" and "i'm not really sure about anything" vibe posts but then i remembered something either someone said or a game daisy was in where a newb!scum did exactly that just to be under the radar so that faded the bod. Wasn't a fan of the readlist especially the reasoning for the read on you. Generally not done anything that's pinged me as towny since that post i vibed with
Thomith I feel I may be tunneling on because of 107 which I can just see as replacement scum coming in and voting a buddy. I don't think I'll be able to see it a different way unless Thomith flips town.
Skimming Thom's iso I've only just properly clocked that their first vote was on ORAM which has given me pause
That being said 411 and 417 really rub me the wrong way
A lot of the read is based on partner equity
I also don't see why you aren't entertaining the alternative that ORAM/Klick were defending me because I'm Town, so they would look good after my flip? Both of those posts that you think is them buddying with me came when I still had heat on me Day 1.
I find myself agreeing.In post 498, Hu Tao wrote: I like elements, just like I like arko so I don't see myself voting there today
I liked Arko's case on Black, in that the effort did seem town motivated, the same way that Elements' reread posts seem like they are trying to solve for the most part.
My POE at the moment I think is Hu Tao/Gamma - I feel good about them and still think those slots are Town.
I feel pretty good about Elements, but Gamma does make a good point in 502 which makes me not want to fully commit to eliminating them as a suspect. I feel a similar way about Kittiesecret, I feel pretty good but not quite enough to eliminate her yet.
I don't think I'm willing to vote Elements right now. At most I might compromise on Naerys I think.
Your PoE is atrocious. Are you seriously assuming scum bussed in a micro?<Embrace The Void>
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you dont seem to believe it but you vote ThomithIn post 516, Gamma Emerald wrote: Your PoE is atrocious. Are you seriously assuming scum bussed in a micro?-
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Gamma have you read the poe confusion?I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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I used PoE incorrectly as Elements pointed out later, we figured out more accurately my PoE was Testarossa/Naerys, while I'm still not fully decided on Kittie/Elements.In post 516, Gamma Emerald wrote:
VOTE: ThomithIn post 505, Thomith wrote:Spoiler: Testarossa Post 480
Not really sure how to format this, so I've just put my answers in bold.
Why do 411 and 417 rub you the wrong way?In post 494, Elements wrote:
Kittie's position is more poe where Thom I think is scumIn post 493, Testarossa wrote: Elements, can you explain your progression from Kittie as town down to your scumreads? Also why do you think that Thom is scum?
the tr of kittie was partly based on her being a newer player giving the benefit of the doubt to some of the "i'll read up in a bit" and "i'm not really sure about anything" vibe posts but then i remembered something either someone said or a game daisy was in where a newb!scum did exactly that just to be under the radar so that faded the bod. Wasn't a fan of the readlist especially the reasoning for the read on you. Generally not done anything that's pinged me as towny since that post i vibed with
Thomith I feel I may be tunneling on because of 107 which I can just see as replacement scum coming in and voting a buddy. I don't think I'll be able to see it a different way unless Thomith flips town.
Skimming Thom's iso I've only just properly clocked that their first vote was on ORAM which has given me pause
That being said 411 and 417 really rub me the wrong way
A lot of the read is based on partner equity
I also don't see why you aren't entertaining the alternative that ORAM/Klick were defending me because I'm Town, so they would look good after my flip? Both of those posts that you think is them buddying with me came when I still had heat on me Day 1.
I find myself agreeing.In post 498, Hu Tao wrote: I like elements, just like I like arko so I don't see myself voting there today
I liked Arko's case on Black, in that the effort did seem town motivated, the same way that Elements' reread posts seem like they are trying to solve for the most part.
My POE at the moment I think is Hu Tao/Gamma - I feel good about them and still think those slots are Town.
I feel pretty good about Elements, but Gamma does make a good point in 502 which makes me not want to fully commit to eliminating them as a suspect. I feel a similar way about Kittiesecret, I feel pretty good but not quite enough to eliminate her yet.
I don't think I'm willing to vote Elements right now. At most I might compromise on Naerys I think.
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Yeah I think I realized it on my ownUNVOTE:In post 518, Elements wrote: Gamma have you read the poe confusion?<Embrace The Void>
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Bcz i rolled as 1 shot bulletproof town?In post 521, Hu Tao wrote: Can someone explain to me why naerys is town here?-
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By play there isn't much speaking into Naerys favor. However I feel like that Klick's out of nowhere townread in 108 and doubling down on a strong townread 154 on Naerys, which was kind of against the stream in the thread where most had her as null or scum, look way more like intended misleading by him, which implies that Naerys is more likely town imo.
Not too sure if her claim is legit, but if true it's in scum's interest to get her limmed. We can sort that later mechanically if necessary. This is a micro and not a mini. If there is only one further pr she is legit. If there should be too much claimed power we can review.-
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My poe hasn't really changed. Still at Elements/Thom. Everyone else looks mostly alright or I have no interest in limming them.
Elements looks fine to me, I was townreading Arko mostly anyway and the only thing that bothers me there are the reads on ORAM/Klick by Arko. However Arko has been similar with some of his other reads (Kittie, me, Gamma I think). I think I would rather go with Thom here.
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