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Post Post #4125 (ISO) » Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:08 pm

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I mean, I called out real early of why wouldn’t Hu Tao play in a way knowing Dragon has meta on that to be fair.

People like to take meta on a plain level like that without remembering that the other player has the knowledge of the other player having that meta.

You based your meta on Hu Tao off of like one or two games where Hu Tao knew you had that meta.
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Post Post #4126 (ISO) » Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:11 pm

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I think Dragon played well, though as a whole, but people underestimate what an active scum pocket play actually can do for you.

It does not matter if someone reads/knows you are scum when they are scum if they can’t get you faded.

And Hu Tao put all the eggs into that basket, and played a very strong shadow scum game while being under immense pressure.

A successful warlock on Dragon. I kept doubting that I was in the pocket of Pav, so I get where Dragon was coming from, and I was the focus of Bingle/RCE/Naerys in that last game.

You can come so close, but those split seconds of doubt has you act on impulse, and that was directly tied to Hu Tao’s play over Dragon’s.

Yes, Dragon could have not acted on impulse there, but in the moment, that is really hard, and that’s just being in the arena.
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Post Post #4127 (ISO) » Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:12 pm

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You are correct

You also have to realize Hu Tao worked really hard on that pocket though, including not going for the miselim on me day 4.
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Post Post #4128 (ISO) » Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:13 pm

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Yeah that second post sums it up well
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Post Post #4129 (ISO) » Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:14 pm

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Gj Hu Tao!
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Post Post #4130 (ISO) » Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:14 pm

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@Dragon - biggest thing that was a big tell was you couldn’t explain anything with the Hu Tao town read other than meta.

And that’s been a big reason the past few years I have gone on record saying Meta is supplementary, especially when you only have a limited amount.

Dragon played well, Hu Tao played Dragon better.
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Post Post #4131 (ISO) » Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:16 pm

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In post 4128, DragonEater70 wrote: Yeah that second post sums it up well
Yeah, it’s not your fault in a bad way. There were many times when I was doubting my Pav read.

I doubted my read on Hu Tao from how Commercials ended, and that was unfortunate timing for Black’s replace in.

But we were all so tired by that time.
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Post Post #4132 (ISO) » Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:17 pm

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Yep
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Post Post #4133 (ISO) » Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:17 pm

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I couldn’t break you out of the pocket either, so I could have tried to case Hu Tao more. Scum played extremely slow this game, and actively slowed the pace down.

Good play by them, even if it was a subconscious thing.
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Post Post #4134 (ISO) » Thu Feb 01, 2024 6:17 pm

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In post 4130, Flavor Leaf wrote: @Dragon - biggest thing that was a big tell was you couldn’t explain anything with the Hu Tao town read other than meta.

And that’s been a big reason the past few years I have gone on record saying Meta is supplementary, especially when you only have a limited amount.

Dragon played well, Hu Tao played Dragon better.
I'll keep that in mind
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Post Post #4135 (ISO) » Thu Feb 01, 2024 8:13 pm

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this one is a fan of somehow looking aligned enough with dragon to throw town off the trail for a bit
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Post Post #4136 (ISO) » Thu Feb 01, 2024 8:14 pm

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none of that was even intentional we just kinda lowkey buddied up for the duration of D1
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Post Post #4137 (ISO) » Thu Feb 01, 2024 8:47 pm

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Sorry.
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Post Post #4138 (ISO) » Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:06 pm

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To clarify, the FBI thing wasn't my crumb :lol: although it was very funny to see it derail the game for a bit there
thomith could be a court jester

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Post Post #4139 (ISO) » Thu Feb 01, 2024 9:08 pm

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In post 4130, Flavor Leaf wrote: And that’s been a big reason the past few years I have gone on record saying Meta is supplementary, especially when you only have a limited amount.
meta based on content basically doesn't work

the vast majority of players can produce any kind of content as either alignment

the best meta reads are personality/mood based and those are really only reliable over a very large sample size
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Post Post #4140 (ISO) » Fri Feb 02, 2024 3:55 am

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In post 4138, Thomith wrote: To clarify, the FBI thing wasn't my crumb :lol: although it was very funny to see it derail the game for a bit there
I just thought you were very towny so I decided to nk you. We got lucky :lol:
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Post Post #4141 (ISO) » Fri Feb 02, 2024 3:56 am

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In post 4139, Dannflor wrote:
In post 4130, Flavor Leaf wrote: And that’s been a big reason the past few years I have gone on record saying Meta is supplementary, especially when you only have a limited amount.
meta based on content basically doesn't work

the vast majority of players can produce any kind of content as either alignment

the best meta reads are personality/mood based and those are really only reliable over a very large sample size
I agree. Which is why I've been doing different playstyles as each alignment now.
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Post Post #4142 (ISO) » Fri Feb 02, 2024 4:05 am

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In post 4140, Hu Tao wrote:
In post 4138, Thomith wrote: To clarify, the FBI thing wasn't my crumb :lol: although it was very funny to see it derail the game for a bit there
I just thought you were very towny so I decided to nk you. We got lucky :lol:
Considering I investigated HPE Night 1, you really really did :P
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Post Post #4143 (ISO) » Fri Feb 02, 2024 4:38 am

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In post 4130, Flavor Leaf wrote: @Dragon - biggest thing that was a big tell was you couldn’t explain anything with the Hu Tao town read other than meta.

And that’s been a big reason the past few years I have gone on record saying Meta is supplementary, especially when you only have a limited amount.

Dragon played well, Hu Tao played Dragon better.
Absolutely. I think some players rely on meta a bit too much and it ends up hurting their read accuracy
I scumread Alianna.

ALL HAIL THE SCUM QUEEN!
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Post Post #4144 (ISO) » Fri Feb 02, 2024 6:37 am

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The dead thread was hilarious to read :lol:
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Post Post #4145 (ISO) » Sat Feb 03, 2024 12:39 am

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Despite my pain in this one I really did have a good time playing with you all.

See you in the next one. If I'm smart it'll be in a few months. Kinda feels like I might be dumb, though.

And of course thanks for modding Ausuka!
(I may or may not have been high when I typed this.)
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Post Post #4146 (ISO) » Sat Feb 03, 2024 1:04 am

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>might be in a few months
>immediately /ins for my next game
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Post Post #4147 (ISO) » Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:16 am

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In post 4146, DragonEater70 wrote: >might be in a few months
>immediately /ins for my next game
I have a problem, ok?
(I may or may not have been high when I typed this.)
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Post Post #4148 (ISO) » Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:17 am

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At least I won't have to convince your pocketed ass I'm town in this one!
(I may or may not have been high when I typed this.)
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Post Post #4149 (ISO) » Sat Feb 03, 2024 7:18 am

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:lol:
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