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[Elements]

Bloop

[Elements]

gg everyone
was very fun mechanically and I enjoyed the bit I took part in

[Gypyx]

funny how the whole scumteam replaced out

[Dannflor]

D2: Dunn, with 2 wolves on wagon.

dunnflor

[biancospino]

There's a couple of things I'd like to say about the balance. First off, it was probably a fair bit imperfect; perhaps 13p would have been more appropriate after all, and I don't believe adjusting further would've been necessary (in fact, that would have probably been townsided; if this game lasted another Day, I think Village would have almost surely won). Another musing could be to remove the lazy mod entirely, but then a very awkward situation would happen if only one wolf remained unable to kill.

While I still believe the game was reasonably balanced, for some value of reasonably, it was notably extremely night-oriented, and as such it did heavily punish night actions going badly. The setup contained a pretty considerable number of safeguards to mess with the wolf-given guns; namely, an half-BP, an activated ascetic (which could avoid getting the gun in the first place, or worst case scenario turn a kamikaze shot into just a loyal vig); both were killed off before being able to do anything. Most of all, Gypyx's role was intended as a crucial cornerstone for endgame, but didn't end up working; the fact is that the comp. Strengthener could work as both a delayed RB, and as a way to magically turn a combined Vig/BG into just a Vig; and Macho could be used to much the same effect, but with a faster timing (if a Macho-Inventor and a combined Vig/BG target the same player, that player dies and the BG survives, since the Macho shot, being passive, would use itself immediately). In particular, if today

anyone at all

(except HT) had the Strengthener invention, the game wouldn't have ended.

[DragonEater70]

Fuck.
I should have trusted myself.
GG.

Btw it was ao fun seeing you stumble over your words trying to push me and then deciding you were just tunneled.

[DragonEater70]

No idea how the arrow got there.

[DragonEater70]

I am sorry for my poor performance this game but I was not enjoying it at all and it affected my play.

[DragonEater70]

what were the infos bianco?

ftr that's a super creative setup but i think it was a fair bit scumsided

I agree, it was scumsided af

But believe me it was frustrating not to be able to nightkill one of Katsuki/Black.

[biancospino]

what were the infos bianco?

They were actually pretty useless:

There are exactly two players with the "activated" modifier.

There are exactly two players with the "personal" modifier.

[biancospino]

D2: Dunn, with 2 wolves on wagon.

dunnflor

Ah, sorry. They're not even close on the keyboard so idk how that happened lol

[Dannflor]

there is a difference between a setup being swingy and imbalanced

[Duelist Kage]

Wow, I finally get some sleep and wake up to this.

what were the infos bianco?

ftr that's a super creative setup but i think it was a fair bit scumsided

Yes, I agree. I hated the way Jackson was playing since I repped in but mechanically the setup favored him being town due to sheer inability to do anything to stop the overwhelming scum power.

Didn't help that I basically missed the Lazy modifier on the Dann role and couldn't believe the setup would be so stacked in scum's favor so I was confident we weren't needing to deal with a third wolf or I would've wanted to wait for dave to verify. I expected two chances to get the third one if Elements was actually lying there.

I really have to wonder why this is a 12p rather than 13p. It's not even possible to make it to day 5 without a lot of luck in managing to block a scum kill somewhere. Being in 4-1 with 2 dead wolves and not being able to vote wrong is

bitter

and totally avoidable if it's a standard sized game. Town

really

needed to have more power if wolves are getting a larger than standard team and all this ability to create chaos.

[Black]

what were the infos bianco?

ftr that's a super creative setup but i think it was a fair bit scumsided

I agree, it was scumsided af

But believe me it was frustrating not to be able to nightkill one of Katsuki/Black.

[biancospino]

I really have to wonder why this is a 12p rather than 13p. It's not even possible to make it to day 5 without a lot of luck in managing to block a scum kill somewhere. Being in 4-1 with 2 dead wolves and not being able to vote wrong is

bitter

and totally avoidable if it's a standard sized game. Town

really

needed to have more power if wolves are getting a larger than standard team and all this ability to create chaos.

Yeah, in retrospect it should probably have been 13p. It wasn't since N1 was a guaranteed no-kill Night, and I didn't want the game to get stuck in off-parity. That may not have been a wise decision.

But also note that, for instance, had HT given the Macho to JV instead of you, the Village would have pretty much unavoidably won after toDay's mislim; so leashing the Macho would have essentially granted the Village an extra elimination yesterDay

[Dannflor]

i don't know

there are like a fairly large number of worlds where scum are basically dead in the water because they can't get any kills through at all and the ones they do get through may not be on the targets they want

in which case i feel like people would be calling this setup town sided

[Thomith]

Knowing about how the lazy modifier was there for means I don't think this setup either 3 scum is scum sided anymore, I just think it's super swingy

[Thomith]

With* not either

[Thomith]

thomith could be a court jester

Also this is getting sigged

[JacksonVirgo]

I hated the way Jackson was playing since I repped in

:C

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean 1/2 of the killed wolves were from the wolves own kill power, which was the major mechanical threat of the wolves. It was more kill-power but it was in the hands of the Town, Town had the control over it for the most part and had mech to swing it against the wolves. Coming from one of the wolves, so might be slightly biased

[JacksonVirgo]

We couldn't directly kill nor could we silence somebody we needed to silence. It was all delayed and gave information that there's a reason the wolves are wanting them dead

[Duelist Kage]

i don't know

there are like a fairly large number of worlds where scum are basically dead in the water because they can't get any kills through at all and the ones they do get through may not be on the targets they want

in which case i feel like people would be calling this setup town sided

Town had a 1-shot Ascetic and Odd-night Bulletproof (essentially just a Night 3 Bulletproof). I don't find many worlds where those come into play. Ascetic would have only stopped her from

receiving

an invention, not being killed by one. And vice versa for the Bulletproof. And those things were locked to one particular person's role, not targetable on whoever was most likely to be able to make use of it like protectives typically would do.

[JacksonVirgo]

But also note that, for instance, had HT given the Macho to JV instead of you, the Village would have pretty much unavoidably won after toDay's mislim; so leashing the Macho would have essentially granted the Village an extra elimination yesterDay

I'm shocked Gypyx didn't realise I immediately rejected the idea of getting Macho'd myself. I immediately pivoted cuz that was a "nuh-uh"

[Gypyx]

But also note that, for instance, had HT given the Macho to JV instead of you, the Village would have pretty much unavoidably won after toDay's mislim; so leashing the Macho would have essentially granted the Village an extra elimination yesterDay

I'm shocked Gypyx didn't realise I immediately rejected the idea of getting Macho'd myself. I immediately pivoted cuz that was a "nuh-uh"

tbh i wasn't really considering you as scum so i don't think it would've ever crossed my mind lol