Large Normal 247 - Day 4

[Oblivion]

tbh i'm even thinking there could be 3 scum in the hood? like i'm getting strong town vibes from thomith but the other 3 not so much, there's also something a bit off about how they don't seem too interested in sorting themselves

This neighbourhood is pre-game made, not made by a role? If so, almost certainly not 3 scum within it.

[biancospino]

2.02

Votecount 2.02

davesaz (4): Hu Tao, Random Nurse, Thomith, PenguinPower
Naerys (1): Little Will o' Wisp
Random Nurse (1): Naerys

Not Voting (7): Gypyx, Oblivion, Snow2697, geraintm, KayJayQueue, Titus, davesaz

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to secure an execution.

The day deadline is in (expired on 2024-04-06 10:29:00).

Mod Notes: The combined mod ISO is here.

[PenguinPower]

threes probably a bit much. definitely one. potentially two.

[Oblivion]

It's different if one player had their choice of who to add to it, but if it was done by role assignment, it does not think that a moderator in a "normal" game would create a scenario in which half a neighbourhood is contained with scum, allowing for a total conversational domination of said hood. It's... it feels wrong.

[Oblivion]

threes probably a bit much. definitely one. potentially two.

This is statistically likely correct, still assuming the neighbourhood was based upon pre-game role assignment, yes.

[Gypyx]

tbh i'm even thinking there could be 3 scum in the hood? like i'm getting strong town vibes from thomith but the other 3 not so much, there's also something a bit off about how they don't seem too interested in sorting themselves

This neighbourhood is pre-game made, not made by a role? If so, almost certainly not 3 scum within it.

this is a complex normal, so more WIFOM than usual goes in role making, and while on a setup basis design i agree that's weird, i think we can agree that to put a 5 players hood, you need a pretty strong concept behind it, right?

[Gypyx]

and yes the hood was premade

[Thomith]

tbh i'm even thinking there could be 3 scum in the hood? like i'm getting strong town vibes from thomith but the other 3 not so much, there's also something a bit off about how they don't seem too interested in sorting themselves

3 scum in the hood would be crazy , but tbh Gypyx is the only person I strongly townread in the hood.

Snow seems to be saying the right things and seeming to solve, and does seem to be wanting to progress the game state (he was also advocating for revealing the hood and his reasons felt genuine), so I don't feel that awful about him.

Still not sure about Titus/Dave.

[PenguinPower]

if there are five in there at the start of d1, that's a safe assumption

[Oblivion]

if there are five in there at the start of d1, that's a safe assumption

It doesn't think that a role that during Night 0 decides 4 other players to join them in a hood is outside Normal realms, but it is not familiar with what this website defines as "Normal" so.

[Gypyx]

threes probably a bit much. definitely one. potentially two.

can i at least ask you to trust my instinct and not completely shove it to the side? i'm telling you the vibes are extremely off, i could also probably make a decent case on that

[KayJayQueue]

titus was opposed to revealing this hood but she hasn't updated us for a while and so we (me / thomith / snow kinda) decided to shake things up

To add to this - Me/Gypyx/to an extent Snow wanted to reveal this yesterday when the game started getting a little stale, but opted not to, on the off chance somebody TMI'd the hood, per Titus' suggestion.

We didn't reveal immediately in case there was a PT Cop that we could potentially verify the existence of.

Okay that’s interesting. Thank you for sharing your info with us. What about Dave? He seems to be the least talked about so far since you revealed, of the 5 players in this neighborhood. Do you think this is at all AI from Titus or no? I don’t really think I can comment on the different strategies of a neighborhood but I think I can understand her hesitancy.

[Thomith]

if there are five in there at the start of d1, that's a safe assumption

It doesn't think that a role that during Night 0 decides 4 other players to join them in a hood is outside Normal realms, but it is not familiar with what this website defines as "Normal" so.

I'm saying this at the risk of sounding condescending, but I promise I'm not trying to be.
If you check the Complex Normal Wiki page, it will tell you exactly what is and isn't possible. This type of ability, I am 99.9% sure, would not qualify as normal.

[Gypyx]

i was thinking titus asking to not reveal could've been trying to bait out a PT cop, which would imo be way more detrimental to the town than shutting down potential fakeclaims, but i kinda was too busy irl to fight about it

[Gypyx]

if there are five in there at the start of d1, that's a safe assumption

It doesn't think that a role that during Night 0 decides 4 other players to join them in a hood is outside Normal realms, but it is not familiar with what this website defines as "Normal" so.

I'm saying this at the risk of sounding condescending, but I promise I'm not trying to be.
If you check the Complex Normal Wiki page, it will tell you exactly what is and isn't possible. This type of ability, I am 99.9% sure, would not qualify as normal.

Night 0 isn't a thing but you could have a night 1 simultaneous neighborizer neighborizer neighborizer neighborizer which would be a similar thing lol

[PenguinPower]

if there are five in there at the start of d1, that's a safe assumption

It doesn't think that a role that during Night 0 decides 4 other players to join them in a hood is outside Normal realms, but it is not familiar with what this website defines as "Normal" so.

you know - i was always under the assumption that normal games were required to be day starts and i can't recall a night start game...but that doesn't seem to be on the wiki anymore.

[PenguinPower]

threes probably a bit much. definitely one. potentially two.

can i at least ask you to trust my instinct and not completely shove it to the side? i'm telling you the vibes are extremely off, i could also probably make a decent case on that

sure. i'm not going to discount anything, but it's falls at the bottom of my likeliness pile

[Oblivion]

threes probably a bit much. definitely one. potentially two.

can i at least ask you to trust my instinct and not completely shove it to the side? i'm telling you the vibes are extremely off, i could also probably make a decent case on that

Why do we need to trust your instinct instead of just assuming "the vibes are off, so there's possibly 2 in the hood"?

Besides, it would behoove you as scum to say this if you were indeed the only scum in said hood. It's a great reframing device, to have us look at everyone in that hood save yourself. Dave's already on the block, Snow isn't favourable either... It isn't like this is a situation where it can just rely on "trust me, bro".

[Thomith]

if there are five in there at the start of d1, that's a safe assumption

It doesn't think that a role that during Night 0 decides 4 other players to join them in a hood is outside Normal realms, but it is not familiar with what this website defines as "Normal" so.

I'm saying this at the risk of sounding condescending, but I promise I'm not trying to be.
If you check the Complex Normal Wiki page, it will tell you exactly what is and isn't possible. This type of ability, I am 99.9% sure, would not qualify as normal.

Night 0 isn't a thing but you could have a night 1 simultaneous neighborizer neighborizer neighborizer neighborizer which would be a similar thing lol

Ignore me then, my brain is too small to have even comprehended the chaos that would be a simultaneous neighborizer neighborizer neighborizer neighborizer

[Gypyx]

threes probably a bit much. definitely one. potentially two.

can i at least ask you to trust my instinct and not completely shove it to the side? i'm telling you the vibes are extremely off, i could also probably make a decent case on that

sure. i'm not going to discount anything, but it's falls at the bottom of my likeliness pile

i think even if you don't trust it too much, it's more likely for us to have every scum in the hood than none of them

[KayJayQueue]

threes probably a bit much. definitely one. potentially two.

can i at least ask you to trust my instinct and not completely shove it to the side? i'm telling you the vibes are extremely off, i could also probably make a decent case on that

sure. i'm not going to discount anything, but it's falls at the bottom of my likeliness pile

i think even if you don't trust it too much, it's more likely for us to have every scum in the hood than none of them

Second to the bottom it is then!

[PenguinPower]

this whole normal guidelines split into three separate guidelines to reduce complexity just increases the complexity i have to go through to find out what is or isn't allowed in this game

what a w i l d decision

[Gypyx]

threes probably a bit much. definitely one. potentially two.

can i at least ask you to trust my instinct and not completely shove it to the side? i'm telling you the vibes are extremely off, i could also probably make a decent case on that

Why do we need to trust your instinct instead of just assuming "the vibes are off, so there's possibly 2 in the hood"?

Besides, it would behoove you as scum to say this if you were indeed the only scum in said hood. It's a great reframing device, to have us look at everyone in that hood save yourself. Dave's already on the block, Snow isn't favourable either... It isn't like this is a situation where it can just rely on "trust me, bro".

this is partially a bianco setup, and bianco is a mod that loves to put "high concept ideas", and as i said, if i wish i could make a case for it, but really a lot of this hood feels like theater

[PenguinPower]

i think even if you don't trust it too much, it's more likely for us to have every scum in the hood than none of them

i meant the bottom of my likeliness pile in terms of what you quoted. i definitely don't think there is zero scum in there.

[Oblivion]

this whole normal guidelines split into three separate guidelines to reduce complexity just increases the complexity i have to go through to find out what is or isn't allowed in this game

what a w i l d decision

Meanwhile, it is just sitting here deciding whether interrogating Gypyx in French is allowed within the rules. Probably not, right?